[12:03] p [12:46] hi. what a great day. just lost my job. well, in 4 weeks, to be exact [12:48] thorwil, ouch, sorry to hear that [12:48] where do you work? [12:48] andreasn, a call center not worth mentioning [12:49] do you do any graphics design freelancing? [12:49] andreasn, no, last time it looked like i might, the client went away [12:50] I get requests for various things from time to time from various people. I don't have the time or interest to do them myself [12:51] thorwil: ouch, sorry to hear that [12:51] and the gnome designers I used to forward them too are now fulltime employees or super-busy with their current freelance missions [12:52] so if you're interested, perhaps I can recommend you next time something comes up [12:53] andreasn, sure i am interested. always depends on the details, of course. thanks for the offer :) [12:53] http://sinecera.de/theme2_carbon.png ...any ideas for improvement? [12:55] kwwii, i'd flip the scrollbar, because as is it looks like the slider belongs to the right edge, not the actual scrollable area [12:56] thorwil: hrm good idea...it was supposed to look like it comes out of the left part and extends above and into the window...that clearly didn't get through :p [13:01] one thing I liked about the XP and OSX scollbars are that they seemed to be made out of the same material as the area that they are scrolling [13:01] http://s3.amazonaws.com/satisfaction-production/s3_images/17670/flock-drafts_inline.jpg [13:01] http://img.skitch.com/20090323-qewg1fxje8tqmj9qj4d61mjj2b.jpg [13:02] I'm not saying you should do this, but it might be worth considering [13:02] in general, most GTK+ apps seems to threat the scrolling area as a completely different control than the window with padding and lines between it [13:03] yeah, a mistake, i think [13:03] I personnally find the osx ones ugly [13:04] so the effect might be hard to achieve without a bunch of glade editing and possibly some changes to GTK+ itself [13:19] well, if we would switch to blue everything would be much easier [13:24] SiDi, ugly or beautiful, they get some of the physicalish design stuff right [13:34] thorwil, I recall mpt was unhappy about that behavior as well, so maybe we should grab a GTK+ developer and look into how we can fix that (and how much work it would be etc.) [13:36] andreasn, sure. i would add the bigger issue of hard-coded spacing between widgets. that just belongs to theming, especially with increasingly diverse devices [13:37] I'm not sure how that is related. Shouldn't the space always be zero? Anyway, I think people are looking into the other issue already [13:38] David Zeuten and David Madely (?) [13:39] andreasn, well, having a gap or not having a gap next to scrollbars is related to spacing [13:39] you mean if some themes want to do it wrong? :) [13:40] hm, yeah, sure [13:40] heh, sure. the more wrong and terrible ugly themes can be, the better, as it likely also means there's space for good stuf :) [14:16] so, once again...http://sinecera.de/theme2_carbon2.png [14:29] the rebirth of ubuntulooks ? [14:48] zniavre: nope, just some stuff i was playing with [14:49] thorwil: can you take a look at the wallpaper brief? I think it is ready but maybe you can find something to improve: http://sinecera.de/karmic_wallpaper_notfinal.pdf [14:50] Canonical should recruit thorwil imo :] [16:18] was busy, garden work [16:21] kwwii, reads very familiar ;) [16:22] kwwii, Implementation page could be a good place to point to the SVG and XCF templates [16:23] kwwii, i'd drop the Color Palette page. it's so ingrained by now, many will conform, anyway. but you should embiggen the chance of pleasant surprises [16:25] kwwii, but if you keep it, consider placing the palette image to fit with the "Use warm colors ..." paragraph from the previous page [16:43] kwwii, don't you think the slogans should be in the brief? [17:54] * thorwil -> dinner [18:35] back