[08:55] cjwatson: I thought the default FS for karmic was going to be ext4 not 3? [09:15] davmor2: I believe we said something along the lines of "we may consider ext4 as the default filesystem after jaunty" [09:15] pretty sure nobody ever committed to it [09:15] cjwatson: Ah okay :) [09:16] ext4 was a bit rockier than expected in jaunty, what with all the filesystem semantics debates [09:17] so I'm not sure I want to take a unilateral decision about giving it a free pass as the default :) [09:18] surely we should just go straight to btrfs :) [09:24] evand: hell yes we can be the kernel lab rats. Oh wait we are Ubuntu/Canonical and don't help the kernel right ;) [09:24] heh [09:32] hmm, that's a point, we have btrfs in the kernel now [09:32] should definitely add installer support for it [09:33] Btrfs is highly experimental, and THE DISK FORMAT IS NOT YET [09:33] FINALIZED. [09:33] ... or maybe not [09:34] cjwatson: :D [09:34] kernel lab rats like I say :) [10:04] We could always do what Redhat did and enable it only when ICANTBELIEVEITSNOTBTR is in /proc/cmdline [10:10] Lol :D === dpm_ is now known as dpm [13:46] cjwatson: are there any plans for a new spin of the 9.04 netboot install? so far i've noticed several issues with it ranging from partition problems to it locking up, etc. [13:46] err, that would depend on whether anyone knows how to fix those problems [13:46] we respin the netboot installer for kernel ABI changes, not much else [13:47] lockups sound like kernel bugs to me [13:47] other than that ... too vague, sorry [13:47] Well, its still randomly saying that the partition table/filesystem is locked on brand new never used hard drives, stuff like that [13:51] bug number? [13:51] FWIW just asking for a respin is totally the wrong way round [13:52] Actually I was just trying to determine if there was a scheduled release for a newer version i could try, is all. I wasn't intending on offending you or anyone else. [13:55] you didn't offend me, just saying that it's usually more productive to get the bugs fixed first :-) [13:55] Is there a list of the new options for preseeding listed somewhere? [13:55] there is no *scheduled* release, but sometimes releases happen [13:55] such as use_weak_password ? [13:56] there's no change summary for preseeding, perhaps unfortunately [13:56] ack [13:56] I'm happy to look at incorrect locking claims given a bug report with the usual logs attached [13:57] Well, my point is, I dont understand how a partition/filesystem could possibly be locked if the OS isn't running [13:58] nothing is using the partition/filesystem until partman (or whatever mechanism you guys use) tries to partition it, so its kind of like chicken -> meet egg [13:58] I need a bug report [13:58] I can't make any even educated guesses without the logs [13:59] okay, didn't you tell me once there was a way to find out what option the installer stopped on in preseed? Its asking me to confirm a weak password and rather than outright ask you how to do it automatically i'd much rather see if you could tell me how to answer that question in the future [13:59] I believe it's documented in the installer guide [13:59] oh, well thats easier. [13:59] thats what i meant by 'are preseed changes documented, etc' [14:00] it didn't do that on 8 or 7 so I assumed it was new in 9 [14:00] the changes aren't, but the documentation should cover what you need to do with the current state [14:00] hmm, but apparently doesn't. blah [14:00] DEBCONF_DEBUG=developer as a boot parameter will get you full debconf logs [14:01] FWIW 8.04 and 8.10 are just as different as 8.10 and 9.04 - the 9 is just a year not a series [14:02] just as a general suggestion it would be cool if you guys could maybe have a page somewhere that lists new options/changes to kickstart/preseed. It would be cleaner if i could tell it to ignore weak passwords in kickstart but i'm not sure how i'd do that (without using the preseed/user-config, etc option [14:02] maybe a little -ignore-weak flag on the password directive, or something in KS [14:02] I'd like to but it needs to be done in Debian [14:03] no point just listing the ones that change in Ubuntu [14:03] well, debian doesn't have KS so its even more important that the KS docs are updated, no? [14:04] docs? kickstart doesn't have this *facility* (except using the general preseed command) [14:04] okay, thats cool that is what i was suggesting, maybe trying to keep KS updated to match new stuff in preseed, etc [14:04] installation-guide: cjwatson * r459 ubuntu/ (debian/changelog en/appendix/preseed.xml): Document how to override the weak password check. [14:04] I'm reluctant to add options to kickstart because it could easily conflict with later changes in Red Hat [14:04] Kickstart's syntax is not owned by us [14:04] so we're constrained [14:05] right, I see. [14:05] I reckoned we were OK with the new preseed command, but I don't want to stretch it too far [14:05] is there a URL to that thing you just updated? :D [14:05] yeah, I'm just getting it for you [14:05] thanks sir [14:05] http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-core-dev/installation-guide/ubuntu/revision/459 [14:07] With the rate of development I'm surprised a bit that more people aren't using Ubuntu in our datacenter. [14:08] People love their CentOS I guess... [14:14] DogWater: IME, they don't actually. They're just stuck on it for some reason. [14:15] Its probably that whole "we used redhat until it cost money (rh9) then we scrambled to find something, and CentOS pretty much worked for us" thing [14:15] What really surprises me is how many people put fedora on servers [14:15] thats nuts to me [14:19] People sometimes request Fedora 3 or The old Redhat 9 on machines and we just have to put our foot down somewhere. that is just irresponsible. [15:51] cjwatson: Do you think (https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MergeOEMConfig) is worth scheduling for this UDS? I think this was discussed earlier this month but I was offline for most of the context. I'm not sure if either of us will have the time to take it on, but perhaps someone else would be interested. [16:00] ah: "(07:52:08 PM) shtylman: evand: cjwatson_: ive started moving things around and trying to merge oem-config and ubiquity :)... man... I think I need a shield and broadsword to fight this beast..." === cjwatson_ is now known as cjwatson [18:09] evand1: yea..I have been working on some major re-org stuff, but nothing yet finished or buildable === CarlFK2 is now known as CarlFK [19:00] hi, im having problems with a custom package repo on my CD, when i try to run the debootstrap step i get the error: "Invalid Release file: no entry for custom/binary-i386/Packages" but the entry is there in my release file as well as the file is actually there. [19:13] is there some part i am missing with respects to my release file for multiple components?