[08:55] <davmor2> cjwatson: I thought the default FS for karmic was going to be ext4 not 3?
[09:15] <cjwatson> davmor2: I believe we said something along the lines of "we may consider ext4 as the default filesystem after jaunty"
[09:15] <cjwatson> pretty sure nobody ever committed to it
[09:15] <davmor2> cjwatson: Ah okay :)
[09:16] <cjwatson> ext4 was a bit rockier than expected in jaunty, what with all the filesystem semantics debates
[09:17] <cjwatson> so I'm not sure I want to take a unilateral decision about giving it a free pass as the default :)
[09:18] <evand> surely we should just go straight to btrfs :)
[09:24] <davmor2> evand: hell yes we can be the kernel lab rats.  Oh wait we are Ubuntu/Canonical and don't help the kernel right ;)
[09:24] <evand> heh
[09:32] <cjwatson> hmm, that's a point, we have btrfs in the kernel now
[09:32] <cjwatson> should definitely add installer support for it
[09:33] <cjwatson>           Btrfs is highly experimental, and THE DISK FORMAT IS NOT YET
[09:33] <cjwatson>           FINALIZED.
[09:33] <cjwatson> ... or maybe not
[09:34] <davmor2> cjwatson:  :D
[09:34] <davmor2> kernel lab rats like I say :)
[10:04] <evand> We could always do what Redhat did and enable it only when ICANTBELIEVEITSNOTBTR is in /proc/cmdline
[10:10] <davmor2> Lol  :D
[13:46] <DogWater> cjwatson: are there any plans for a new spin of the 9.04 netboot install? so far i've noticed several issues with it ranging from partition problems to it locking up, etc.
[13:46] <cjwatson> err, that would depend on whether anyone knows how to fix those problems
[13:46] <cjwatson> we respin the netboot installer for kernel ABI changes, not much else
[13:47] <cjwatson> lockups sound like kernel bugs to me
[13:47] <cjwatson> other than that ... too vague, sorry
[13:47] <DogWater> Well, its still randomly saying that the partition table/filesystem is locked on brand new never used hard drives, stuff like that
[13:51] <cjwatson> bug number?
[13:51] <cjwatson> FWIW just asking for a respin is totally the wrong way round
[13:52] <DogWater> Actually I was just trying to determine if there was a scheduled release for a newer version i could try, is all. I wasn't intending on offending you or anyone else.
[13:55] <cjwatson> you didn't offend me, just saying that it's usually more productive to get the bugs fixed first :-)
[13:55] <DogWater> Is there a list of the new options for preseeding listed somewhere?
[13:55] <cjwatson> there is no *scheduled* release, but sometimes releases happen
[13:55] <DogWater> such as use_weak_password ?
[13:56] <cjwatson> there's no change summary for preseeding, perhaps unfortunately
[13:56] <DogWater> ack
[13:56] <cjwatson> I'm happy to look at incorrect locking claims given a bug report with the usual logs attached
[13:57] <DogWater> Well, my point is, I dont understand how a partition/filesystem could possibly be locked if the OS isn't running
[13:58] <DogWater> nothing is using the partition/filesystem until partman (or whatever mechanism you guys use) tries to partition it, so its kind of like chicken -> meet egg
[13:58] <cjwatson> I need a bug report
[13:58] <cjwatson> I can't make any even educated guesses without the logs
[13:59] <DogWater> okay, didn't you tell me once there was a way to find out what option the installer stopped on in preseed? Its asking me to confirm a weak password and rather than outright ask you how to do it automatically i'd much rather see if you could tell me how to answer that question in the future
[13:59] <cjwatson> I believe it's documented in the installer guide
[13:59] <DogWater> oh, well thats easier.
[13:59] <DogWater> thats what i meant by 'are preseed changes documented, etc'
[14:00] <DogWater> it didn't do that on 8 or 7 so I assumed it was new in 9
[14:00] <cjwatson> the changes aren't, but the documentation should cover what you need to do with the current state
[14:00] <cjwatson> hmm, but apparently doesn't. blah
[14:00] <cjwatson> DEBCONF_DEBUG=developer as a boot parameter will get you full debconf logs
[14:01] <cjwatson> FWIW 8.04 and 8.10 are just as different as 8.10 and 9.04 - the 9 is just a year not a series
[14:02] <DogWater> just as a general suggestion it would be cool if you guys could maybe have a page somewhere that lists new options/changes to kickstart/preseed. It would be cleaner if i could tell it to ignore weak passwords in kickstart but i'm not sure how i'd do that (without using the preseed/user-config, etc option
[14:02] <DogWater> maybe a little -ignore-weak flag on the password directive, or something in KS
[14:02] <cjwatson> I'd like to but it needs to be done in Debian
[14:03] <cjwatson> no point just listing the ones that change in Ubuntu
[14:03] <DogWater> well, debian doesn't have KS so its even more important that the KS docs are updated, no?
[14:04] <cjwatson> docs? kickstart doesn't have this *facility* (except using the general preseed command)
[14:04] <DogWater> okay, thats cool that is what i was suggesting, maybe trying to keep KS updated to match new stuff in preseed, etc
[14:04] <CIA-4> installation-guide: cjwatson * r459 ubuntu/ (debian/changelog en/appendix/preseed.xml): Document how to override the weak password check.
[14:04] <cjwatson> I'm reluctant to add options to kickstart because it could easily conflict with later changes in Red Hat
[14:04] <cjwatson> Kickstart's syntax is not owned by us
[14:04] <cjwatson> so we're constrained
[14:05] <DogWater> right, I see.
[14:05] <cjwatson> I reckoned we were OK with the new preseed command, but I don't want to stretch it too far
[14:05] <DogWater> is there a URL to that thing you just updated? :D
[14:05] <cjwatson> yeah, I'm just getting it for you
[14:05] <DogWater> thanks sir
[14:05] <cjwatson> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-core-dev/installation-guide/ubuntu/revision/459
[14:07] <DogWater> With the rate of development I'm surprised a bit that more people aren't using Ubuntu in our datacenter.
[14:08] <DogWater> People love their CentOS I guess...
[14:14] <soren> DogWater: IME, they don't actually. They're just stuck on it for some reason.
[14:15] <DogWater> Its probably that whole "we used redhat until it cost money (rh9) then we scrambled to find something, and CentOS pretty much worked for us" thing
[14:15] <DogWater> What really surprises me is how many people put fedora on servers
[14:15] <DogWater> thats nuts to me
[14:19] <DogWater> People sometimes request Fedora 3 or The old Redhat 9 on machines and we just have to put our foot down somewhere. that is just irresponsible.
[15:51] <evand> cjwatson: Do you think (https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MergeOEMConfig) is worth scheduling for this UDS?  I think this was discussed earlier this month but I was offline for most of the context.  I'm not sure if either of us will have the time to take it on, but perhaps someone else would be interested.
[16:00] <evand> ah: "(07:52:08 PM) shtylman: evand: cjwatson_: ive started moving things around and trying to merge oem-config and ubiquity :)... man... I think I need a shield and broadsword to fight this beast..."
[18:09] <shtylman> evand1: yea..I have been working on some major re-org stuff, but nothing yet finished or buildable
[19:00] <geiseri> hi, im having problems with a custom package repo on my CD, when i try to run the debootstrap step i get the error: "Invalid Release file: no entry for custom/binary-i386/Packages" but the entry is there in my release file as well as the file is actually there.
[19:13] <geiseri> is there some part i am missing with respects to my release file for multiple components?