[00:05] nobody brave enough to test the alpha then? [00:05] * Vorian will [00:06] Vorian: able to do that now? [00:06] er, in 30 minutes [00:06] + has to download [00:06] or upgrade [00:07] any preference? [00:08] download [00:08] alrighty [00:08] kdeutils beta almost done compiling [00:09] * Vorian downloads [00:10] Riddell: I am usually either stupid or brave [00:10] question from the forums: kde4.3 beta for 9.04? [00:10] yay/nay? [00:10] claydoh: it will be in a ppa [00:11] thought so, just wasn't sure if a beta would be released for jaunty [00:13] claydoh: no timetable though, we're a bit behind because of getting karmic set up [00:14] and for my part I'm away from this weekend [00:14] Riddell: thanks, starting to get restless over there :) [00:14] the usual 'early adopters' ;( [00:14] oops ;)\ [00:15] darn full-sized keyboard! [00:32] are you guys going pack kde4.3 beta ? [00:43] quassel208: yes [00:43] when? [00:45] now [00:45] oh really? Can I test? Then I dont need to compile [00:46] its more fun to compile though [00:47] yeah I did it before :) [00:47] but erased the stable with it [00:47] there's bits in the experimental PPA in ~kubuntu-ppa but not much of it for now [00:48] santiago is holy... [00:53] whats the ppa ? [00:53] deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/kubuntu-experimental/ubuntu ? [00:54] no ~kubuntu-ppa on launchpad [00:55] deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/kubuntu-ppa/ppa/ubuntu jaunty main [00:55] this one [01:01] I ony find kde 4.2.3 in it [01:07] deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/kubuntu-ppa/experimental/ubuntu karmic main === rickspencer3 is now known as rickspencer3-afk [01:38] updatedb can seriously harm your compile time [01:45] Hi, I'm working on a Kubuntu derivative and I'd like to apply certain settings to new users(other than Kubuntu defaults), according to some forums this was possible in kde3 using /etc/kde-defaults but I can't find how to do the same in Kubuntu/KDE4 [01:46] I've tried /usr/share/kubuntu-default-settings/kde4-profile/ but it doesn't work as expected, I change some settings then create a new user and it's the same [01:51] xee: editing the files in /usr/share/kubuntu-default-settings/kde4-profile/default/share/config/ should work [01:51] or /etc/kde4 for that matter [01:52] I tried the former and it seemed like it didn't work so I'll try the latter, thanks [01:53] xee: what's the derivative? [01:54] it's just a rebranded, customized version for a company [17:48] JontheEchidna: any luck with the amarok package? [17:48] nope :( [17:48] damn [17:49] having yet another beta without useful kubuntu packages is bad [17:49] we did get close to no testing for beta 1 :( [17:50] Nightrose: the jukebox package did build fine and it's basically a 2.1 beta too, with some git merges from markey [17:50] JontheEchidna: if you need the additional packages, they are in the gibson-DW ppa [17:50] just don't use the amarok package itself :) [17:52] Whooo === cmvo_ is now known as cmvo [18:01] * Riddell uploads qzion qedje eet and kdepimlibs [18:02] oh and kdelibs-experimental [18:08] are people actually using the qedje widgets and what not? [18:08] * astromme has no idea [18:08] nixternal: I would atleast try [18:08] * astromme uses python widgets for sure [18:09] They have qedje widgets? [18:09] yes [18:09] evolution has some cool widgets [18:09] I have tried adding google gadget widgets, but it hasn't worked out well for me and I can't figure it out [18:09] oh, google-gadgets failed main inclusion, so we don't support it [18:10] if someone could take the plugin and put it in its own source package we could support it in universe, theoretically [18:10] no, kde trunk [18:10] How long will that stand for? [18:10] I build the google gadgets anyways because the version we have in the repos is crippled [18:11] oh and akonadi uploaded [18:11] do people actually use akonadi? :p [18:11] muhehehe [18:11] I use google gadgets widgets on my archlinux box [18:11] nixternal: I do... [18:11] They're great, except of course none of theme fit theme wise [18:11] I did try to separate out google gadgets plasma support but failed [18:11] hehe, I would hope everyone is using akonadi [18:11] * astromme also uses Akonadi [18:11] Akonadi and KDEPim are now linked pretty tightly [18:12] even more so for the 4.3 cycle [18:12] that is expected [18:12] thankfully they seperated akonadi from pimlibs though [18:12] dunno if qedje will be relevant any more once qt declarative is out [18:13] well I think it will because we are sharing stuff with the evolution community [18:13] which is whicked cool [18:13] man, I haven't used evolution in such a long time...I need to give it a look again [18:14] wait, what is evolution doing? [18:14] err, enlightenment [18:14] jeesh [18:14] oh [18:14] ok [18:15] I just read a post about "backing up evolution" [18:15] yeah, I used e17 a very very long time ago [18:15] I am a moron [18:15] I did also use evolution a long time ago. Loved the "unified" concept and HATED the implementation [18:15] It was like a bad copy of outlook. I then tried Kontact and have been using it since, lol.... [18:16] evolution right now is great if you are working in a MS Exchange environment [18:16] I assume so, I've heard a lot regarding that [18:16] you can say the same thing about Kontact and Outlook as well [18:16] but I'm not, and never plan to be [18:16] all GUI based email clients suck [18:16] that's why I use Mutt [18:16] oh boy, dangerous territory! [18:16] * astromme <3s his Kontact, don't take it away! [18:17] * astromme just finally got kontact + gmail + google contacts + google calendar to play nicely and is happy [18:17] Riddell: how are you liking Alpine? I wasn't ever a huge Pine fan back in the day, but have thought about giving Alpine a test run [18:18] Anyone uses nepomuk ? [18:18] nixternal: actually I went back to mutt, turns out alpine can't do stuff I need it to do [18:18] right, that is what I have heard [18:18] daskreech: used when I had ability to compile KDE myself [18:18] do you use mutt-patched, or do you still run Mutt old school, without the folders list? [18:18] How long ago was that? [18:19] daskreech: 2 months or more [18:19] nixternal: I've no idea, whatever is installed on the ancient debian machine I use for a server [18:19] ahhh, ya probably not mutt-patched [18:19] Tm_T: So you didn't try the virtuoso backend ? [18:19] mutt-patched is pretty cool, as I can toggle a sidebar/folder list by hitting 'b' [18:19] daskreech: no, sowwy [18:19] I like that feature instead of having to go into my folder list all of the time [18:19] a bit more efficient [18:20] nixternal: tried nepomuk? [18:21] daskreech: ya, when it doesn't crash on my trunk build it rocks [18:21] daskreech: I have tried it. It's better than the java one, slightly [18:21] I don't build with sesame or virtuoso [18:21] astromme: and RAM usage is on what level? [18:21] redland is good enough [18:21] nixternal: What backend ? [18:21] Tm_T: well, I'm a bit of an odd test as I have 100GB of stuff that is indexed [18:21] Ah Ok [18:21] * astromme is _not_ a fan of redland [18:21] astromme: it sticks for you? [18:22] everything uses redland [18:22] sesame is actually really nice, but I don't think it would be good in a desktop environment [18:22] daskreech: The nepomuk process itself uses a lot of ram. The virtuoso server doesn't seem to be using much [18:22] I might be wrong though [18:22] sesame worked well for me, it was just hard to setup as it wasn't packaged [18:22] I have actually contributed to sesame with my last job, as I used it for a backend for an ftp storage client for our grid [18:22] sesame is packaged in jaunty [18:22] redland has NEVER worked for me with strigi. Complete fail in my book, way too slow [18:22] which was all java anyways [18:23] strigi has flat out never worked for me [18:23] astromme: still, some comparison I would like to have [18:23] astromme: as I am RAM limited [18:23] daskreech: strigi is working generally, it just doesn't have as many (i think they're called stream readers?) as I would like [18:24] My friend is compiling from trunk and has been trying virtuoso since Monday. Anytime he sets the config to virtuoso as soon as nepomuk starts it switches it back to sesame [18:24] Tm_T: Well, with that 100GB of indexed files I was seeing high nepomuk usage, in the hundreds of megabytes [18:24] daskreech: it will auto select virtuoso if it is installed correctly [18:24] astromme: hmmm, still way smaller than sesame, isn't it? [18:24] astromme: Ah so we need to figure out what counts as installed correctly :) [18:25] daskreech: there is a tool... I forget... that tells you what nepomuk thinks is installed backendwise [18:25] Tm_T: yes, I think smaller. Definitely faster [18:30] oh woah, that is so cool [18:31] I started nepomuk on this jaunty machine and it asked to install sesame :) [18:31] * astromme is a big fan [18:31] astromme: wait, my Strigi is indexing since days... [18:31] Mamarok: How much data? [18:31] if you have a lot of data you will need patience [18:32] daskreech: like 580 Gb [18:32] Mamarok: have you installed the sesame2 backend? [18:32] Mamarok: ah, yes. That will take a while [18:32] And you will end up with a very large db [18:32] I have 1/5th of that [18:32] daskreech: I talked to Trueg about it today, he can't do anything about it and suspects Strigi to hang sometimes on certain files, it should be faster [18:33] daskreech: run "sopranocmd |grep backend -C 1 [18:33] If you see virtuoso the server is installed correctly (with nepomuk support) [18:34] astromme: yes, of course I have sesame2 [18:34] Mamarok: Just checking :). I've seen users who don't have it and are complaining [18:35] astromme: It never actually started without sesame anyway, s I read some Nepomuk blogs to get started [18:35] oh, that's interested [18:35] s/interested/interesting [18:35] * astromme will brb, he needs to relog for nepomuk [18:36] or I could just ... hmm [18:37] Isn't strigi spawning multiple threads for that so one file hanging shouldn't really screw it up that much? [18:38] daskreech: I think the one hanging goes to 100% cpu [18:38] at least I've had that experience === smarter_ is now known as smarter [18:39] Ugh can you see what file it's hanging on ? [18:40] daskreech: well, I can see on which folder he is, but it's progressing, just very slow [18:41] * ScottK has never once had sufficient patience to let Strigi finish indexing. [18:42] Riddell: Does it make sense to follow you on identi.ca ? [18:42] * astromme is a fan of Quassel. No disconnection ftw [18:42] Konversation should have some quassel server support :) [18:42] Mamarok: did you do something special to make strigi start? I'm having no luck [18:42] daskreech: no kidding [18:43] astromme: there is a missing java symlink you will have to set, found it in the lauchpad bugs about Strigi [18:43] Mamarok: that's silly, so small! [18:44] small things cause the most emotional pain [18:44] astromme: I know [18:44] it buggerd my for quite a while [18:44] daskreech: no I've never used it [18:45] This, right? ln -s /usr/lib/kde4/lib/strigi/strigiindex_sopranobackend.so /usr/lib/strigi/strigiindex_sopranobackend.so [18:45] So I guess it makes sense if you don't want much distraction. [18:45] astromme: cause, it's one if the pilars of KDE, so it not working was very disturbing [18:45] * astromme gets a "file exists" [18:45] Mamarok: exactly. Nepomuk + Strigi needs to start working out of the box [18:45] astromme: well, no the one I had to set was for the libjvm.so [18:45] That's the only way that it will solidify and actually start becoming indispensible [18:46] Riddell: You do have an account though [18:47] Will Aplha 2 be KDE 4.3 based ? [18:48] daskreech: only under duress [18:49] meh, I"m getting... found no soprano plugin at "/usr/lib/soprano/libsoprano_sesame2backend.so" [18:50] Riddell: ha ha wonderful :) We should probably have a kubuntu account there though [18:50] wait [18:50] there is [18:50] harmph, kdeutils should be good now, uploading to the ppa [18:50] >_> [18:51] and nixternal isn't following it [18:51] Wow [18:51] JontheEchidna: kdeutils? I just uploaded that to the archive [18:52] sdk, my mistake [18:52] daskreech: following what? [18:52] Riddell: ^ [18:52] aha aha aha! "Converting Nepomuk index to a new backend" [18:52] This is a good sign I think [18:52] * astromme still would love 4.3b1 for Jaunty [18:52] The kubuntu identi.ca account [18:52] Muahahaha! and I have the nepomuk icon [18:52] astromme: it'll come, but a few days yet [18:53] Riddell: I'll be super busy until Monday, so I probably won't even notice after today :) [18:53] Engin project, final paper, wedding, flying home, getting unpacked. [18:53] oh, and I just uploaded kdeutils to experimental when I meant to upload sdk v.v [18:54] oh well, it'll only clog the builders up a bit [18:54] Mamarok: Thank you for your help. I agree, this needs to just work. That'll certainly be something I poke around for in the Karmic alphas/betas [18:55] If it's just missing a symlink, we ought to be able to fix Jaunty in an SRU [18:55] good idea, people expect it to work when they read the release notes for the KDE versions [18:55] ScottK: it looks like the java defaults selector should be setting the symlink, as it varies from jvm to jvm [18:56] astromme: I see. Perhaps you could take it up with someone on the Ubuntu Java team. [18:56] * ScottK knows zip about Java [18:56] ScottK: where would I do that? [18:56] astromme: #ubuntu-java [18:56] ScottK: this is the bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/soprano-backend-sesame/+bug/334186 [18:56] Ubuntu bug 334186 in soprano-backend-sesame "soprano-backend-sesame requires missing /usr/lib/libjvm.so" [Undecided,Confirmed] [18:56] oh cool, I had no idea that troubalex was the community web mgr for qt software...groovy [18:56] The last comment mentions that he did something relating to java-common [18:56] nixternal: I've never worked out what a community web manager is :) [18:58] hehe [18:58] Someone who manages the community but never actually meets them :) [18:58] I've met troubalex, although I didn't notice her managing me [18:59] do you need to be managed? [18:59] You [18:59] have [18:59] no, you just need an agent you rockstar! [18:59] no [18:59] idea [19:00] ScottK: I'm poking around a bit. Who knows.... === rickspencer3 is now known as rickspencer3-afk [19:16] * ScottK is pretty convinced Riddell is unmanageable. [19:20] hi smarter_ :) [19:28] groovy, kdebase-workspace done and uploaded [19:28] will dep wait on qedje though [19:37] is there a way to remove the password for kpackagekit once it has been stored? [19:37] as kpackagkit doesn't use kdewallet [19:48] nixternal: no i just said "next slide" hehe [19:48] haha === Quintasan_ is now known as Quintasan [20:09] everybody was kung fu fighting dabba dibbi [20:09] helo humans and wannabees === daskreech is now known as nooneelse [20:09] :D === nooneelse is now known as dasKreech [20:10] Who we gonna call? [20:11] öhm [20:11] hmmm elvis ? [20:11] btw is eagles0815 banned again? [20:12] most likely [20:13] ScottK: Mamarok: I'm working with the good folks in #ubuntu-java . There is a good chance that we can come up with a solution for jaunty [20:13] Haven't seen him around lately now that you mention it. [20:13] Do you know if virtuoso will be the default/packaged for Karmic? [20:13] astromme: Excellent. [20:14] Apparently linking to /usr/lib/libjvm.so is a bad bad idea because you don't know about abi. However, in this case there isn't a good solution other than linking [20:18] ScottK: have you guys packaged virtuoso for karmic? is that the current plan for default? [20:18] Dunno. [20:18] * ScottK looks over at Riddell [20:19] http://bugs.debian.org/508048 [20:19] bug 331757 [20:19] Launchpad bug 331757 in ubuntu "[needs-packaging] virtuoso-opensource" [Wishlist,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/331757 [20:20] it looks to be a huge job [20:20] JontheEchidna: oh noes :( even just the db component? [20:20] I'd hate to rely on it since it's just the freeware version of a proprietary product. [20:21] * astromme mentions that it is oss [20:21] but is it F ? [20:21] you mean L? :P [20:21] It is, but it's the non-commercial version of some closed thing. [20:21] We can see the source can it be forked if needed ? [20:22] It may be like OOo and Star Office (OK) or something else. [20:23] Personally I'd be a lot more comfortable if more of these DB driven things were using postgresql. [20:23] * ScottK waves to Sput [20:24] Looks like gpl2 [20:24] http://virtuoso.openlinksw.com/dataspace/dav/wiki/Main/VOSLicense [20:24] ScottK: the problem iirc is that they aren't a RDF something or other [20:25] Right, well Virtuoso also came in the context of Akonadi too [20:26] ScottK: aha, sparql, that's the magic word [20:27] Also, some packager notes are at the bottom of: http://trueg.wordpress.com/2009/02/27/are-we-there-yet-the-long-road-to-a-stable-soprano-virtuoso-backend/ [20:27] The one great thing about nepomuk.... it supports multiple backends and seamlessly migrates data if a new one becomes available that is deemed a higher priority (or the users sets it as the first priority) [20:35] note to other devs: if you are a dev for a distro, do not comment on another distro dev blog calling it subpar [20:36] I can't believe someone commented on my blog complaining that it is on planet kde and it is a subpar distro, when the person is a chakra developer, a project for arch that uses patches from so-called "subpar distros" [20:36] ie. the kubuntu karmic release post [20:37] * Sput waves back to ScottK [20:38] nixternal: Batteries Released. [20:38] heh [20:38] * astromme sighs [20:38] nixternal: Ah thought it was for your other post. In any case mud slinging due to inflated aggravated pride quotes are really not needed === txwikinger2 is now known as txwikinger_work === siekaczx is now known as siekacz [22:13] hello [22:14] are there any plans to make KDE 4.3 b1 packages for 9.04? [22:14] Yes [22:15] we are working on them now. its slow progress... but moving [22:15] rgreening: we've started for 9.04? [22:16] bah.. meant kde b4 in general [22:16] but it will be back ported [22:16] we might be lucky enough for no-change backports [22:17] maybe... here's hoping [22:17] :) [22:17] since debian-qt-kde.mk just includes kde4.mk in jaunty [22:21] thats cool [22:21] thank ScottK for that one [22:21] * dasKreech itches to get back on KDE [22:28] ty ScottK [22:28] :P [22:30] I read that as Scotty, too much trek [22:32] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W-WA90u0f0Y [22:35] hum, is it really necessary to post youtube links in here. I do no want to klick on them... [22:35] I have to drop off for a while... I'll finish kdenetwork then. === siekacz is now known as barteqx === barteqx is now known as siekacz [23:05] neversfelde: Don't klik then? [23:05] dasKreech: it is a little bit offtopic here, isn't it? [23:06] Well someone brought Trek and mentioned scotty [23:06] So yes [23:06] :) [23:06] sorry, I was in an offtopic mood [23:07] it is hard to filter the important things [23:10] !kde && !kubuntu [23:10] Sorry, I don't know anything about kde && !kubuntu [23:10] hehe