[00:05] <Riddell> nobody brave enough to test the alpha then?
[00:05]  * Vorian will
[00:06] <Riddell> Vorian: able to do that now?
[00:06] <Vorian> er, in 30 minutes
[00:06] <Vorian> + has to download
[00:06] <Vorian> or upgrade
[00:07] <Vorian> any preference?
[00:08] <Riddell> download
[00:08] <Vorian> alrighty
[00:08] <JontheEchidna> kdeutils beta almost done compiling
[00:09]  * Vorian downloads
[00:10] <claydoh> Riddell: I am usually either  stupid or brave
[00:10] <claydoh> question  from the forums: kde4.3 beta for 9.04?
[00:10] <claydoh> yay/nay?
[00:10] <Vorian> claydoh: it will be in a ppa
[00:11] <claydoh> thought so, just wasn't sure if a beta would be released for jaunty
[00:13] <Riddell> claydoh: no timetable though, we're a bit behind because of getting karmic set up
[00:14] <Riddell> and for my part I'm away from this weekend
[00:14] <claydoh> Riddell: thanks, starting to get restless over there :)
[00:14] <claydoh> the usual 'early adopters' ;(
[00:14] <claydoh> oops ;)\
[00:15] <claydoh> darn full-sized keyboard!
[00:32] <quassel208> are you guys going pack kde4.3 beta ?
[00:43] <Riddell> quassel208: yes
[00:43] <quassel208> when?
[00:45] <Riddell> now
[00:45] <quassel208> oh really? Can I test? Then I dont need to compile
[00:46] <nixternal> its more fun to compile though
[00:47] <quassel208> yeah I did it before :)
[00:47] <quassel208> but erased the stable with it
[00:47] <Riddell> there's bits in the experimental PPA in ~kubuntu-ppa but not much of it for now
[00:48] <quassel208> santiago is holy...
[00:53] <quassel208> whats the ppa ?
[00:53] <quassel208> deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/kubuntu-experimental/ubuntu  ?
[00:54] <Riddell> no ~kubuntu-ppa on launchpad
[00:55] <quassel208> deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/kubuntu-ppa/ppa/ubuntu jaunty main
[00:55] <quassel208> this one
[01:01] <quassel208> I ony find kde 4.2.3 in it
[01:07] <quassel208> deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/kubuntu-ppa/experimental/ubuntu karmic main
[01:38] <Riddell> updatedb can seriously harm your compile time
[01:45] <xee> Hi, I'm working on a Kubuntu derivative and I'd like to apply certain settings to new users(other than Kubuntu defaults), according to some forums this was possible in kde3 using /etc/kde-defaults but I can't find how to do the same in Kubuntu/KDE4
[01:46] <xee> I've tried /usr/share/kubuntu-default-settings/kde4-profile/ but it doesn't work as expected, I change some settings then create a new user and it's the same
[01:51] <Riddell> xee: editing the files in /usr/share/kubuntu-default-settings/kde4-profile/default/share/config/ should work
[01:51] <Riddell> or /etc/kde4 for that matter
[01:52] <xee> I tried the former and it seemed like it didn't work so I'll try the latter, thanks
[01:53] <Riddell> xee: what's the derivative?
[01:54] <xee> it's just a rebranded, customized version for a company
[17:48] <Nightrose> JontheEchidna: any luck with the amarok package?
[17:48] <JontheEchidna> nope :(
[17:48] <Nightrose> damn
[17:49] <Nightrose> having yet another beta without useful kubuntu packages is bad
[17:49] <Nightrose> we did get close to no testing for beta 1 :(
[17:50] <Mamarok> Nightrose: the jukebox package did build fine and it's basically a 2.1 beta too, with some git merges from markey
[17:50] <Mamarok> JontheEchidna: if you need the additional packages, they are in the gibson-DW ppa
[17:50] <Mamarok> just don't use the amarok package itself :)
[17:52] <Daskreech> Whooo
[18:01]  * Riddell uploads qzion qedje eet and kdepimlibs
[18:02] <Riddell> oh and kdelibs-experimental
[18:08] <nixternal> are people actually using the qedje widgets and what not?
[18:08]  * astromme has no idea
[18:08] <Tm_T> nixternal: I would atleast try
[18:08]  * astromme uses python widgets for sure
[18:09] <daskreech> They have qedje widgets?
[18:09] <nixternal> yes
[18:09] <nixternal> evolution has some cool widgets
[18:09] <nixternal> I have tried adding google gadget widgets, but it hasn't worked out well for me and I can't figure it out
[18:09] <JontheEchidna> oh, google-gadgets failed main inclusion, so we don't support it
[18:10] <JontheEchidna> if someone could take the plugin and put it in its own source package we could support it in universe, theoretically
[18:10] <nixternal> no, kde trunk
[18:10] <daskreech> How long will that stand for?
[18:10] <nixternal> I build the google gadgets anyways because the version we have in the repos is crippled
[18:11] <Riddell> oh and akonadi uploaded
[18:11] <nixternal> do people actually use akonadi? :p
[18:11] <nixternal> muhehehe
[18:11] <astromme> I use google gadgets widgets on my archlinux box
[18:11] <Mamarok> nixternal: I do...
[18:11] <astromme> They're great, except of course none of theme fit theme wise
[18:11] <Riddell> I did try to separate out google gadgets plasma support but failed
[18:11] <nixternal> hehe, I would hope everyone is using akonadi
[18:11]  * astromme also uses Akonadi
[18:11] <astromme> Akonadi and KDEPim are now linked pretty tightly
[18:12] <astromme> even more so for the 4.3 cycle
[18:12] <nixternal> that is expected
[18:12] <nixternal> thankfully they seperated akonadi from pimlibs though
[18:12] <Riddell> dunno if qedje will be relevant any more once qt declarative is out
[18:13] <nixternal> well I think it will because we are sharing stuff with the evolution community
[18:13] <nixternal> which is whicked cool
[18:13] <nixternal> man, I haven't used evolution in such a long time...I need to give it a look again
[18:14] <astromme> wait, what is evolution doing?
[18:14] <nixternal> err, enlightenment
[18:14] <nixternal> jeesh
[18:14] <astromme> oh
[18:14] <astromme> ok
[18:15] <nixternal> I just read a post about "backing up evolution"
[18:15] <astromme> yeah, I used e17 a very very long time ago
[18:15] <nixternal> I am a moron
[18:15] <astromme> I did also use evolution a long time ago. Loved the "unified" concept and HATED the implementation
[18:15] <astromme> It was like a bad copy of outlook. I then tried Kontact and have been using it since, lol....
[18:16] <nixternal> evolution right now is great if you are working in a MS Exchange environment
[18:16] <astromme> I assume so, I've heard a lot regarding that
[18:16] <nixternal> you can say the same thing about Kontact and Outlook as well
[18:16] <astromme> but I'm not, and never plan to be
[18:16] <nixternal> all GUI based email clients suck
[18:16] <nixternal> that's why I use Mutt
[18:16] <astromme> oh boy, dangerous territory!
[18:16]  * astromme <3s his Kontact, don't take it away!
[18:17]  * astromme just finally got kontact + gmail + google contacts + google calendar to play nicely and is happy
[18:17] <nixternal> Riddell: how are you liking Alpine? I wasn't ever a huge Pine fan back in the day, but have thought about giving Alpine a test run
[18:18] <daskreech> Anyone uses nepomuk ?
[18:18] <Riddell> nixternal: actually I went back to mutt, turns out alpine can't do stuff I need it to do
[18:18] <nixternal> right, that is what I have heard
[18:18] <Tm_T> daskreech: used when I had ability to compile KDE myself
[18:18] <nixternal> do you use mutt-patched, or do you still run Mutt old school, without the folders list?
[18:18] <daskreech> How long ago was that?
[18:19] <Tm_T> daskreech: 2 months or more
[18:19] <Riddell> nixternal: I've no idea, whatever is installed on the ancient debian machine I use for a server
[18:19] <nixternal> ahhh, ya probably not mutt-patched
[18:19] <daskreech> Tm_T: So you didn't try the virtuoso backend ?
[18:19] <nixternal> mutt-patched is pretty cool, as I can toggle a sidebar/folder list by hitting 'b'
[18:19] <Tm_T> daskreech: no, sowwy
[18:19] <nixternal> I like that feature instead of having to go into my folder list all of the time
[18:19] <nixternal> a bit more efficient
[18:20] <daskreech> nixternal: tried nepomuk?
[18:21] <nixternal> daskreech: ya, when it doesn't crash on my trunk build it rocks
[18:21] <astromme> daskreech: I have tried it. It's better than the java one, slightly
[18:21] <nixternal> I don't build with sesame or virtuoso
[18:21] <Tm_T> astromme: and RAM usage is on what level?
[18:21] <nixternal> redland is good enough
[18:21] <daskreech> nixternal: What backend ?
[18:21] <astromme> Tm_T: well, I'm a bit of an odd test as I have 100GB of stuff that is indexed
[18:21] <daskreech> Ah Ok
[18:21]  * astromme is _not_ a fan of redland
[18:21] <daskreech> astromme: it sticks for you?
[18:22] <nixternal> everything uses redland
[18:22] <nixternal> sesame is actually really nice, but I don't think it would be good in a desktop environment
[18:22] <astromme> daskreech: The nepomuk process itself uses a lot of ram. The virtuoso server doesn't seem to be using much
[18:22] <nixternal> I might be wrong though
[18:22] <astromme> sesame worked well for me, it was just hard to setup as it wasn't packaged
[18:22] <nixternal> I have actually contributed to sesame with my last job, as I used it for a backend for an ftp storage client for our grid
[18:22] <Riddell> sesame is packaged in jaunty
[18:22] <astromme> redland has NEVER worked for me with strigi. Complete fail in my book, way too slow
[18:22] <nixternal> which was all java anyways
[18:23] <daskreech> strigi has flat out never worked for me
[18:23] <Tm_T> astromme: still, some comparison I would like to have
[18:23] <Tm_T> astromme: as I am RAM limited
[18:23] <astromme> daskreech: strigi is working generally, it just doesn't have as many (i think they're called stream readers?) as I would like
[18:24] <daskreech> My friend is compiling from trunk and has been trying virtuoso since Monday. Anytime he sets the config to virtuoso as soon as nepomuk starts it switches it back to sesame
[18:24] <astromme> Tm_T: Well, with that 100GB of indexed files I was seeing high nepomuk usage, in the hundreds of megabytes
[18:24] <astromme> daskreech: it will auto select virtuoso if it is installed correctly
[18:24] <Tm_T> astromme: hmmm, still way smaller than sesame, isn't it?
[18:24] <daskreech> astromme: Ah so we need to figure out what counts as installed correctly :)
[18:25] <astromme> daskreech: there is a tool... I forget... that tells you what nepomuk thinks is installed backendwise
[18:25] <astromme> Tm_T: yes, I think smaller. Definitely faster
[18:30] <astromme> oh woah, that is so cool
[18:31] <astromme> I started nepomuk on this jaunty machine and it asked to install sesame :)
[18:31]  * astromme is a big fan
[18:31] <Mamarok> astromme: wait, my Strigi is indexing since days...
[18:31] <daskreech> Mamarok: How much data?
[18:31] <Mamarok> if you have a lot of data you will need patience
[18:32] <Mamarok> daskreech: like 580 Gb
[18:32] <astromme> Mamarok: have you installed the sesame2 backend?
[18:32] <astromme> Mamarok: ah, yes. That will take a while
[18:32] <astromme> And you will end up with a very large db
[18:32] <astromme> I have 1/5th of that
[18:32] <Mamarok> daskreech: I talked to Trueg about it today, he can't do anything about it and suspects Strigi to hang sometimes on certain files, it should be faster
[18:33] <astromme> daskreech: run "sopranocmd |grep backend -C 1
[18:33] <astromme> If you see virtuoso the server is installed correctly (with nepomuk support)
[18:34] <Mamarok> astromme: yes, of course I have sesame2
[18:34] <astromme> Mamarok: Just checking :). I've seen users who don't have it and are complaining
[18:35] <Mamarok> astromme: It never actually started without sesame anyway, s I read some Nepomuk blogs to get started
[18:35] <astromme> oh, that's interested
[18:35] <astromme> s/interested/interesting
[18:35]  * astromme will brb, he needs to relog for nepomuk
[18:36] <astromme> or I could just ... hmm
[18:37] <daskreech> Isn't strigi spawning multiple threads for that so one file hanging shouldn't really screw it up that much?
[18:38] <astromme> daskreech: I think the one hanging goes to 100% cpu
[18:38] <astromme> at least I've had that experience
[18:39] <daskreech> Ugh can you see what file it's hanging on ?
[18:40] <Mamarok> daskreech: well, I can see on which folder he is, but it's progressing, just very slow
[18:41]  * ScottK has never once had sufficient patience to let Strigi finish indexing.
[18:42] <daskreech> Riddell: Does it make sense to follow you on identi.ca ?
[18:42]  * astromme is a fan of Quassel. No disconnection ftw
[18:42] <daskreech> Konversation should have some quassel server support :)
[18:42] <astromme> Mamarok: did you do something special to make strigi start? I'm having no luck
[18:42] <astromme> daskreech: no kidding
[18:43] <Mamarok> astromme: there is a missing java symlink you will have to set, found it in the lauchpad bugs about Strigi
[18:43] <astromme> Mamarok: that's silly, so small!
[18:44] <daskreech> small things cause the most emotional pain
[18:44] <Mamarok> astromme: I know
[18:44] <Mamarok> it buggerd my for quite a while
[18:44] <Riddell> daskreech: no I've never used it
[18:45] <astromme> This, right? ln -s /usr/lib/kde4/lib/strigi/strigiindex_sopranobackend.so /usr/lib/strigi/strigiindex_sopranobackend.so
[18:45] <ScottK> So I guess it makes sense if you don't want much distraction.
[18:45] <Mamarok> astromme: cause, it's one if the pilars of KDE, so it not working was very disturbing
[18:45]  * astromme gets a "file exists"
[18:45] <astromme> Mamarok: exactly. Nepomuk + Strigi needs to start working out of the box
[18:45] <Mamarok> astromme: well, no the one I had to set was for the libjvm.so
[18:45] <astromme> That's the only way that it will solidify and actually start becoming indispensible
[18:46] <daskreech> Riddell: You do have an account though
[18:47] <daskreech> Will Aplha 2 be KDE 4.3 based ?
[18:48] <Riddell> daskreech: only under duress
[18:49] <astromme> meh, I"m getting... found no soprano plugin at  "/usr/lib/soprano/libsoprano_sesame2backend.so"
[18:50] <daskreech> Riddell: ha ha wonderful :) We should probably have a kubuntu account there though
[18:50] <daskreech> wait
[18:50] <daskreech> there is
[18:50] <JontheEchidna> harmph, kdeutils should be good now, uploading to the ppa
[18:50] <daskreech> >_>
[18:51] <daskreech> and nixternal isn't following it
[18:51] <daskreech> Wow
[18:51] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: kdeutils?  I just uploaded that to the archive
[18:52] <JontheEchidna> sdk, my mistake
[18:52] <nixternal> daskreech: following what?
[18:52] <JontheEchidna> Riddell: ^
[18:52] <astromme> aha aha aha! "Converting Nepomuk index to a new backend"
[18:52] <astromme> This is a good sign I think
[18:52]  * astromme still would love 4.3b1 for Jaunty
[18:52] <daskreech> The kubuntu identi.ca account
[18:52] <astromme> Muahahaha! and I have the nepomuk icon
[18:52] <Riddell> astromme: it'll come, but a few days yet
[18:53] <astromme> Riddell: I'll be super busy until Monday, so I probably won't even notice after today :)
[18:53] <astromme> Engin project, final paper, wedding, flying home, getting unpacked.
[18:53] <JontheEchidna> oh, and I just uploaded kdeutils to experimental when I meant to upload sdk v.v
[18:54] <JontheEchidna> oh well, it'll only clog the builders up a bit
[18:54] <astromme> Mamarok: Thank you for your help. I agree, this needs to just work. That'll certainly be something I poke around for in the Karmic alphas/betas
[18:55] <ScottK> If it's just missing a symlink, we ought to be able to fix Jaunty in an SRU
[18:55] <Mamarok> good idea, people expect it to work when they read the release notes for the KDE versions
[18:55] <astromme> ScottK: it looks like the java defaults selector should be setting the symlink, as it varies from jvm to jvm
[18:56] <ScottK> astromme: I see.  Perhaps you could take it up with someone on the Ubuntu Java team.
[18:56]  * ScottK knows zip about Java
[18:56] <astromme> ScottK: where would I do that?
[18:56] <ScottK> astromme: #ubuntu-java
[18:56] <astromme> ScottK: this is the bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/soprano-backend-sesame/+bug/334186
[18:56] <nixternal> oh cool, I had no idea that troubalex was the community web mgr for qt software...groovy
[18:56] <astromme> The last comment mentions that he did something relating to java-common
[18:56] <Riddell> nixternal: I've never worked out what a community web manager is :)
[18:58] <nixternal> hehe
[18:58] <daskreech> Someone who manages the community but never actually meets them :)
[18:58] <Riddell> I've met troubalex, although I didn't notice her managing me
[18:59] <nixternal> do you need to be managed?
[18:59] <daskreech> You
[18:59] <daskreech> have
[18:59] <nixternal> no, you just need an agent you rockstar!
[18:59] <daskreech> no
[18:59] <daskreech> idea
[19:00] <astromme> ScottK: I'm poking around a bit. Who knows....
[19:16]  * ScottK is pretty convinced Riddell is unmanageable.
[19:20] <daskreech> hi smarter_ :)
[19:28] <Riddell> groovy, kdebase-workspace done and uploaded
[19:28] <Riddell> will dep wait on qedje though
[19:37] <Mamarok>  is there a way to remove the password for kpackagekit once it has been stored?
[19:37] <Mamarok> as kpackagkit doesn't use kdewallet
[19:48] <seele> nixternal: no i just said "next slide" hehe
[19:48] <nixternal> haha
[20:09] <ghostcube> everybody was kung fu fighting dabba dibbi
[20:09] <ghostcube> helo humans and wannabees
[20:09] <ghostcube> :D
[20:10] <dasKreech> Who we gonna call?
[20:11] <neversfelde> öhm
[20:11] <ghostcube> hmmm elvis ?
[20:11] <neversfelde> btw is eagles0815 banned again?
[20:12] <dasKreech> most likely
[20:13] <astromme> ScottK: Mamarok: I'm working with the good folks in #ubuntu-java . There is a good chance that we can come up with a solution for jaunty
[20:13] <ScottK> Haven't seen him around lately now that you mention it.
[20:13] <astromme> Do you know if virtuoso will be the default/packaged for Karmic?
[20:13] <ScottK> astromme: Excellent.
[20:14] <astromme> Apparently linking to /usr/lib/libjvm.so is a bad bad idea because you don't know about abi. However, in this case there isn't a good solution other than linking
[20:18] <astromme> ScottK: have you guys packaged virtuoso for karmic? is that the current plan for default?
[20:18] <ScottK> Dunno.
[20:18]  * ScottK looks over at Riddell
[20:19] <JontheEchidna> http://bugs.debian.org/508048
[20:19] <JontheEchidna> bug 331757
[20:20] <JontheEchidna> it looks to be a huge job
[20:20] <astromme> JontheEchidna: oh noes :( even just the db component?
[20:20] <ScottK> I'd hate to rely on it since it's just the freeware version of a proprietary product.
[20:21]  * astromme mentions that it is oss
[20:21] <dasKreech> but is it F ?
[20:21] <astromme> you mean L? :P
[20:21] <ScottK> It is, but it's the non-commercial version of some closed thing.
[20:21] <dasKreech> We can see the source can it be forked if needed ?
[20:22] <ScottK> It may be like OOo and Star Office (OK) or something else.
[20:23] <ScottK> Personally I'd be a lot more comfortable if more of these DB driven things were using postgresql.
[20:23]  * ScottK waves to Sput
[20:24] <astromme> Looks like gpl2
[20:24] <astromme> http://virtuoso.openlinksw.com/dataspace/dav/wiki/Main/VOSLicense
[20:24] <astromme> ScottK: the problem iirc is that they aren't a RDF something or other
[20:25] <ScottK> Right, well Virtuoso also came in the context of Akonadi too
[20:26] <astromme> ScottK: aha, sparql, that's the magic word
[20:27] <astromme> Also, some packager notes are at the bottom of: http://trueg.wordpress.com/2009/02/27/are-we-there-yet-the-long-road-to-a-stable-soprano-virtuoso-backend/
[20:27] <astromme> The one great thing about nepomuk.... it supports multiple backends and seamlessly migrates data if a new one becomes available that is deemed a higher priority (or the users sets it as the first priority)
[20:35] <nixternal> note to other devs: if you are a dev for a distro, do not comment on another distro dev blog calling it subpar
[20:36] <nixternal> I can't believe someone commented on my blog complaining that it is on planet kde and it is a subpar distro, when the person is a chakra developer, a project for arch that uses patches from so-called "subpar distros"
[20:36] <nixternal> ie. the kubuntu karmic release post
[20:37]  * Sput waves back to ScottK
[20:38] <ScottK> nixternal: Batteries Released.
[20:38] <nixternal> heh
[20:38]  * astromme sighs
[20:38] <dasKreech> nixternal: Ah thought it was for your other post. In any case mud slinging due to inflated aggravated pride quotes are really not needed
[22:13] <siekacz> hello
[22:14] <siekacz> are there any plans  to make KDE 4.3 b1 packages for 9.04?
[22:14] <dasKreech> Yes
[22:15] <rgreening> we are working on them now. its slow progress... but moving
[22:15] <JontheEchidna> rgreening: we've started for 9.04?
[22:16] <rgreening> bah.. meant kde b4 in general
[22:16] <rgreening> but it will be back ported
[22:16] <JontheEchidna> we might be lucky enough for no-change backports
[22:17] <rgreening> maybe... here's hoping
[22:17] <rgreening> :)
[22:17] <JontheEchidna> since debian-qt-kde.mk just includes kde4.mk in jaunty
[22:21] <rgreening> thats cool
[22:21] <JontheEchidna> thank ScottK for that one
[22:21]  * dasKreech itches to get back on KDE
[22:28] <rgreening> ty ScottK
[22:28] <rgreening> :P
[22:30] <JontheEchidna> I read that as Scotty, too much trek
[22:32] <dasKreech> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W-WA90u0f0Y
[22:35] <neversfelde> hum, is it really necessary to post youtube links in here. I do no want to klick on them...
[22:35] <rgreening> I have to drop off for a while... I'll finish kdenetwork then.
[23:05] <dasKreech> neversfelde: Don't klik then?
[23:05] <neversfelde> dasKreech: it is a little bit offtopic here, isn't it?
[23:06] <dasKreech> Well someone brought Trek and mentioned scotty
[23:06] <dasKreech> So yes
[23:06] <neversfelde> :)
[23:06] <neversfelde> sorry, I was in an offtopic mood
[23:07] <neversfelde> it is hard to filter the important things
[23:10] <dasKreech> !kde && !kubuntu
[23:10] <neversfelde> hehe