[00:47] <pace_t_zulu> i see there have been no updates to karmic today...
[00:47] <BUGabundo> pace_t_zulu: I got plenty
[00:47] <pace_t_zulu> i suppose this is because of Alpha 1 tomorrow
[00:47] <BUGabundo> ahhh true
[00:47] <pace_t_zulu> BUGabundo: maybe i installed them without realizing...
[00:48] <pace_t_zulu> hmmm
[00:51] <ienorand> Yea there were around ~15 afaik
[00:53] <BUGabundo> night
[19:20] <B0ia_fria> i'm having a little problem using live from karmic... i'm using ext4 on hd0,0... and get this massege before drop to busybox SQUASHFS error: Major/Minor mismatch, older Squashfs 3.1 filesystems are unsupported... any idea?
[19:27] <B0ia_fria> already using 2.6.30 rc5
[19:39] <mrpockets> ohhi!
[19:40] <mrpockets> I want to be WOWd with 9.10
[19:40] <mrpockets> what can i play with?
[19:40] <rski> nothing yet really
[19:40] <rski> bit early
[19:41] <mrpockets> I can't put my finger on it, but somethings prettier
[20:31] <mphill> mrpockets: thats the placebo effect
[20:42] <mrpockets> lol
[21:31] <BUGabundo> hi everyone
[21:31] <pace_t_zulu> hey BUGabundo
[21:32] <mrpockets> guys
[21:32] <BUGabundo> pace_t_zulu: [[]]
[21:32] <mrpockets> im having some issues with dvd::rip
[21:32] <mrpockets> is such software kinda frowned upon here?
[21:32] <pace_t_zulu> mrpockets: are you having problems on karmic?
[21:33] <mrpockets> I'm not famaliar with this karmic which you speak of
[21:33] <pace_t_zulu> mrpockets: we will assume you are violating any copyright laws when ripping a DVD
[21:33] <pace_t_zulu> !ot | mrpockets
[21:34] <mrpockets> pace_t_zulu, the irony is that I never legit purchase DVDs, but got a good deal on TakeDown, and want to rip it to the collection on the count of i screw up every disk i touch
[21:34] <pace_t_zulu> mrpockets: please take your questions elsewhere
[21:37] <BUGabundo> pace_t_zulu: uhh on topic, but aggressive...
[21:37] <BUGabundo> you scared him
[21:38] <pace_t_zulu> BUGabundo: how was he on topic?
[21:38] <BUGabundo> we need to make Ubuntu better... not scare new users
[21:38] <BUGabundo> he wasnt
[21:38] <BUGabundo> but there's ways to tell it nicelly
[21:38] <BUGabundo> you did the correct thing
[21:38] <pace_t_zulu> i did tell him
[21:38] <pace_t_zulu> i gave him an !ot message
[21:38] <BUGabundo> just a bit aggressively
[21:38] <BUGabundo> nevermind
[21:39] <pace_t_zulu> BUGabundo: i get what you are saying... he seemed like the MPAA
[21:39] <pace_t_zulu> just trying to target Ubuntu next
[21:39] <BUGabundo> eheheheh
[21:39] <BUGabundo> pace_t_zulu: I have the same prob. most of what I say can look aggressive to others, and mean stuff I didn't mean to say :(
[21:40] <pace_t_zulu> BUGabundo: i made it clear to discuss it in the context of legal ripping of DVDs
[21:40] <pace_t_zulu> and mrpockets made it clear he wouldn't
[21:41] <pace_t_zulu> BUGabundo: sounded like the MPAA up to dirty tricks
[21:44] <pace_t_zulu> BUGabundo: i should have been nicer, agreed
[21:45] <foxbuntu> pace_t_zulu, do you watch dvds with vlc + libdvdcss2?
[21:45] <pace_t_zulu> BUGabundo: but this guy being clear about breaking the law on official Ubuntu channels
[21:45] <foxbuntu> (or similar)
[21:45] <pace_t_zulu> foxbuntu: on occasion yes
[21:45] <BUGabundo> pace_t_zulu: if he does, redirect the subject to #ubuntu-ops
[21:45] <foxbuntu> pace_t_zulu, thats actually ripping a dvd
[21:46] <pace_t_zulu> foxbuntu: believe me, i have nothing but contempt for the MPAA
[21:46] <foxbuntu> pace_t_zulu, I am not saying your wrong in how you handled it...but I wanted to clear a point
[21:46] <pace_t_zulu> foxbuntu: i am aware of the point...
[21:47] <foxbuntu> :)
[21:47] <pace_t_zulu> foxbuntu: thank you though for clearing that up, if i hadn't been aware, it is a good thing to know
[21:47] <foxbuntu> many dont know that (with the exception of LinDVD and fluendo codecs) DVD and MP3 playback in Linux is actually illegal
[21:48] <ienorand> Was he not asking for a backup in this specific case?
[21:48] <foxbuntu> ienorand, not really
[21:49] <ondisk> foxbuntu: that depends on which country, right?
[21:49] <foxbuntu> ondisk, any country that acks US Patent and Copyright laws
[21:50] <BUGabundo> Portugal is NOT ilegal
[21:50] <ondisk> then canonical is obviously assisting that crime
[21:51] <foxbuntu> ondisk, nope, look at what canonical provides
[21:51] <ondisk> foxbuntu: what does it provide?
[21:52] <BUGabundo> ondisk: a buddy to help *buy* codecs legally
[21:52] <foxbuntu> ondisk, the default install of Ubuntu does not support DVD CSS or encoded WMA/MP3 ect
[21:53] <ondisk> foxbuntu: it's just one or two clicks away, tho
[21:54] <foxbuntu> ondisk, but thats the case in Windows too
[21:54] <foxbuntu> what the user does with the O/S and third party software is not canonical's fault
[21:55] <pace_t_zulu> need to reboot
[21:57] <Trewas> foxbuntu: canonical has the mirrors which offer mp3 etc codecs, so it is not really 3rd party software
[21:57] <Trewas> but I guess they have done their legal homework :P
[21:58] <acicula> i thought the reason it is split is the same as why by default nvidia drivers are not included by default? used to be so anyway
[21:58] <foxbuntu> Trewas, not exactly, the mirror hosting libdvdcss2 are outside canonical, and the mp3 codecs are as well
[21:59] <BUGabundo> humm you guys mean medibuntu?
[21:59] <BUGabundo>  !medibuntu
[21:59] <foxbuntu> BUGabundo, :)
[21:59] <Trewas> foxbuntu: at least mp3 codecs are in main canonical mirrors
[22:00] <foxbuntu> acicula, not exactly (again), Ubuntu only includes "free" software in the main distro
[22:00] <ondisk> http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/multiverse/g/gst-plugins-ugly-multiverse0.10/
[22:00] <Trewas> maybe in multiverse but I don't think that would make any difference legally
[22:00] <foxbuntu> Trewas, yes, gstreamer is free
[22:00] <ondisk> mpeg and mp3 is patented
[22:00] <foxbuntu> Trewas, gstreamer is licensed and legal
[22:00] <IngForigua> are there support for spanish language in openoffice?
[22:01] <foxbuntu> Trewas, I applogize I wasnt clear by saying MP3
[22:01] <Trewas> foxbuntu: legal (in copyright sense) and patent-free are different things
[22:02] <acicula> foxbuntu: yes mp3 is a patented technology, nvidia drivers are proprietary, so not free and therefor not included right?
[22:02] <acicula> well "free"
[22:02] <foxbuntu> acicula, correct
[22:03] <foxbuntu> Trewas, i understand that...however you should go have a look at gstreamer vs the codecs provided by medibuntu
[22:04] <BUGabundo> hi IngForigua. welcome here
[22:04] <Trewas> foxbuntu: I know there are commercial fuendo codecs available if someone wants to be really within the bounds of law...
[22:04] <Trewas> fluendo
[22:05] <IngForigua> thanks BUGabundo, I migrate to karmic 15 min ago :)
[22:05] <foxbuntu> Trewas, indeed there are, but MP3 has two patent holders, one @ MIT (gstreamer)  and 1 corporately held (most common) and this is the one fluendo licenses
[22:06] <BUGabundo> IngForigua: I know! I read on Identica
[22:06] <IngForigua> some apps is in english, and i am a spanish user :P
[22:07] <acicula> is it legal to use libdvdcss in the states or does it conflict with the dmca?
[22:08] <foxbuntu> acicula, not legal
[22:08] <IngForigua> i migrate through update-manager
[22:08] <BUGabundo> IngForigua: translatios aren't still open for karmic
[22:08] <BUGabundo> its too soon
[22:09] <IngForigua> I can help to translate in lauchpad?
[22:09] <acicula> IngForigua: i think so, there's a list of untranslated sentences i think
[22:10] <acicula> via LP, but going of memory here
[22:10] <IngForigua> Ok, that's right
[22:12] <BUGabundo> IngForigua: sure! but try to interact with your translation team for your language
[22:13] <IngForigua> acicula: the translations is not available for karmic :(
[22:13] <IngForigua> BUGabundo: ok
[22:14] <acicula> IngForigua: to new i suppose
[22:14] <IngForigua> https://translations.launchpad.net/ <<<<----- isn't available
[22:15] <foxbuntu> IngForigua, https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu/jaunty/+translations
[22:15] <foxbuntu> IngForigua, karmic isnt open yet
[22:16] <IngForigua> when, open the translatios, do you know foxbuntu
[22:17] <foxbuntu> IngForigua, sorry I dont know when. Likely near Alpha 1 release
[22:17] <BUGabundo>  !schedule | IngForigua
[22:17] <BUGabundo> foxbuntu: Alpha1 comes out today, right? eheh
[22:17] <foxbuntu> BUGabundo, oh crap does it?
[22:17] <BUGabundo> I think so
[22:18] <BUGabundo> we are on freeze for it
[22:18] <BUGabundo> let me check cdimage
[22:18] <acicula> thought i saw someone say that
[22:18] <foxbuntu> yup
[22:18] <acicula> (earlier)(
[22:18] <foxbuntu> ugh
[22:18] <BUGabundo> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/9.10/alpha-1/
[22:18] <BUGabundo> its out
[22:18] <acicula> bunch of updates today at least
[22:18] <IngForigua> June 11th
[22:18] <foxbuntu> well I gtg now anyways...later all
[22:18] <IngForigua> oks :) is on June 11th
[22:18] <acicula> cya
[22:18]  * BUGabundo checks for updates
[22:20] <digitaloktay> what is the next release name after karmic?
[22:21] <IngForigua> gnome 2.27.1 looks very good :)
[22:21] <acicula> there's a list somewhere on the wiki, but i dont think it's very fixed
[22:22] <BUGabundo> digitaloktay: still unk aFAIK
[22:25]  * IngForigua think that karmic will be the best :)
[22:25] <BUGabundo> me too IngForigua
[22:26] <BUGabundo> ~200 ppl on +1? nice
[22:27] <IngForigua> goodbye
[22:28] <digitaloktay> but gnome seems to be the same
[22:30] <BUGabundo> yep
[22:30] <BUGabundo> still no new release
[22:32] <acicula> is there anything exciting in a new gnome release?
[22:32] <acicula> *the
[22:34] <BUGabundo> what new?
[22:34] <BUGabundo> isn't it .26.1 ?
[22:34] <mphill> BUGabundo: it is according to the about screen
[22:35] <mphill> they claim its .27
[22:35] <BUGabundo> ahh
[22:35] <mphill> i saw some libraries come down the other day
[22:35] <BUGabundo> guess I'm still late on upgrades
[22:35] <mphill> maybe its sorta in a hybrid state
[22:35] <mphill> thus far, there is nothing to write home about really
[22:35] <BUGabundo> $ apt-cache policy gnome-about   Installed: 1:2.26.1-0ubuntu2
[22:36] <digitaloktay> yes  *** 1:2.26.1-0ubuntu2 0
[22:37] <mphill> i upgraded my nvidia driver to the lastest last night and the window decorator coruption is back again
[22:37] <mphill> can't win
[22:38] <mphill> gotta go! later
[22:39] <BUGabundo> mphill: using repo version or Nvidia site?
[23:28] <BUGabundo> humm
[23:28] <BUGabundo> does mutting sound with keyboard shortcut, FAIL?