=== Twigathy_ is now known as Twigathy === Twigathy is now known as Twigathy_ === Twigathy_ is now known as Twigathy [00:47] i see there have been no updates to karmic today... [00:47] pace_t_zulu: I got plenty [00:47] i suppose this is because of Alpha 1 tomorrow [00:47] ahhh true [00:47] BUGabundo: maybe i installed them without realizing... [00:48] hmmm [00:51] Yea there were around ~15 afaik [00:53] night === yml_ is now known as yml === elpargo__ is now known as elpargo [19:20] i'm having a little problem using live from karmic... i'm using ext4 on hd0,0... and get this massege before drop to busybox SQUASHFS error: Major/Minor mismatch, older Squashfs 3.1 filesystems are unsupported... any idea? [19:27] already using 2.6.30 rc5 [19:39] ohhi! [19:40] I want to be WOWd with 9.10 [19:40] what can i play with? [19:40] nothing yet really [19:40] bit early [19:41] I can't put my finger on it, but somethings prettier [20:31] mrpockets: thats the placebo effect [20:42] lol [21:31] hi everyone [21:31] hey BUGabundo [21:32] guys [21:32] pace_t_zulu: [[]] [21:32] im having some issues with dvd::rip [21:32] is such software kinda frowned upon here? [21:32] mrpockets: are you having problems on karmic? [21:33] I'm not famaliar with this karmic which you speak of [21:33] mrpockets: we will assume you are violating any copyright laws when ripping a DVD [21:33] !ot | mrpockets [21:33] mrpockets: #ubuntu is the Ubuntu support channel, for all Ubuntu-related support questions. Please use #ubuntu-offtopic for other topics. Thanks! [21:34] pace_t_zulu, the irony is that I never legit purchase DVDs, but got a good deal on TakeDown, and want to rip it to the collection on the count of i screw up every disk i touch [21:34] mrpockets: please take your questions elsewhere [21:37] pace_t_zulu: uhh on topic, but aggressive... [21:37] you scared him [21:38] BUGabundo: how was he on topic? [21:38] we need to make Ubuntu better... not scare new users [21:38] he wasnt [21:38] but there's ways to tell it nicelly [21:38] you did the correct thing [21:38] i did tell him [21:38] i gave him an !ot message [21:38] just a bit aggressively [21:38] nevermind [21:39] BUGabundo: i get what you are saying... he seemed like the MPAA [21:39] just trying to target Ubuntu next [21:39] eheheheh [21:39] pace_t_zulu: I have the same prob. most of what I say can look aggressive to others, and mean stuff I didn't mean to say :( [21:40] BUGabundo: i made it clear to discuss it in the context of legal ripping of DVDs [21:40] and mrpockets made it clear he wouldn't [21:41] BUGabundo: sounded like the MPAA up to dirty tricks [21:44] BUGabundo: i should have been nicer, agreed [21:45] pace_t_zulu, do you watch dvds with vlc + libdvdcss2? [21:45] BUGabundo: but this guy being clear about breaking the law on official Ubuntu channels [21:45] (or similar) [21:45] foxbuntu: on occasion yes [21:45] pace_t_zulu: if he does, redirect the subject to #ubuntu-ops [21:45] pace_t_zulu, thats actually ripping a dvd [21:46] foxbuntu: believe me, i have nothing but contempt for the MPAA [21:46] pace_t_zulu, I am not saying your wrong in how you handled it...but I wanted to clear a point [21:46] foxbuntu: i am aware of the point... [21:47] :) [21:47] foxbuntu: thank you though for clearing that up, if i hadn't been aware, it is a good thing to know [21:47] many dont know that (with the exception of LinDVD and fluendo codecs) DVD and MP3 playback in Linux is actually illegal [21:48] Was he not asking for a backup in this specific case? [21:48] ienorand, not really [21:49] foxbuntu: that depends on which country, right? [21:49] ondisk, any country that acks US Patent and Copyright laws [21:50] Portugal is NOT ilegal [21:50] then canonical is obviously assisting that crime [21:51] ondisk, nope, look at what canonical provides [21:51] foxbuntu: what does it provide? [21:52] ondisk: a buddy to help *buy* codecs legally [21:52] ondisk, the default install of Ubuntu does not support DVD CSS or encoded WMA/MP3 ect [21:53] foxbuntu: it's just one or two clicks away, tho [21:54] ondisk, but thats the case in Windows too [21:54] what the user does with the O/S and third party software is not canonical's fault [21:55] need to reboot [21:57] foxbuntu: canonical has the mirrors which offer mp3 etc codecs, so it is not really 3rd party software [21:57] but I guess they have done their legal homework :P [21:58] i thought the reason it is split is the same as why by default nvidia drivers are not included by default? used to be so anyway [21:58] Trewas, not exactly, the mirror hosting libdvdcss2 are outside canonical, and the mp3 codecs are as well [21:59] humm you guys mean medibuntu? [21:59] !medibuntu [21:59] medibuntu is a repository of packages that cannot be included into the Ubuntu distribution for legal reasons - See http://www.medibuntu.org [21:59] BUGabundo, :) [21:59] foxbuntu: at least mp3 codecs are in main canonical mirrors [22:00] acicula, not exactly (again), Ubuntu only includes "free" software in the main distro [22:00] http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/multiverse/g/gst-plugins-ugly-multiverse0.10/ [22:00] maybe in multiverse but I don't think that would make any difference legally [22:00] Trewas, yes, gstreamer is free [22:00] mpeg and mp3 is patented [22:00] Trewas, gstreamer is licensed and legal [22:00] are there support for spanish language in openoffice? [22:01] Trewas, I applogize I wasnt clear by saying MP3 [22:01] foxbuntu: legal (in copyright sense) and patent-free are different things [22:02] foxbuntu: yes mp3 is a patented technology, nvidia drivers are proprietary, so not free and therefor not included right? [22:02] well "free" [22:02] acicula, correct [22:03] Trewas, i understand that...however you should go have a look at gstreamer vs the codecs provided by medibuntu [22:04] hi IngForigua. welcome here [22:04] foxbuntu: I know there are commercial fuendo codecs available if someone wants to be really within the bounds of law... [22:04] fluendo [22:05] thanks BUGabundo, I migrate to karmic 15 min ago :) [22:05] Trewas, indeed there are, but MP3 has two patent holders, one @ MIT (gstreamer) and 1 corporately held (most common) and this is the one fluendo licenses [22:06] IngForigua: I know! I read on Identica [22:06] some apps is in english, and i am a spanish user :P [22:07] is it legal to use libdvdcss in the states or does it conflict with the dmca? [22:08] acicula, not legal [22:08] i migrate through update-manager [22:08] IngForigua: translatios aren't still open for karmic [22:08] its too soon [22:09] I can help to translate in lauchpad? [22:09] IngForigua: i think so, there's a list of untranslated sentences i think [22:10] via LP, but going of memory here [22:10] Ok, that's right [22:12] IngForigua: sure! but try to interact with your translation team for your language [22:13] acicula: the translations is not available for karmic :( [22:13] BUGabundo: ok [22:14] IngForigua: to new i suppose [22:14] https://translations.launchpad.net/ <<<<----- isn't available [22:15] IngForigua, https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu/jaunty/+translations [22:15] IngForigua, karmic isnt open yet [22:16] when, open the translatios, do you know foxbuntu [22:17] IngForigua, sorry I dont know when. Likely near Alpha 1 release [22:17] !schedule | IngForigua [22:17] IngForigua: A schedule of Karmic Koala (9.10) release milestones can be found here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KarmicReleaseSchedule [22:17] foxbuntu: Alpha1 comes out today, right? eheh [22:17] BUGabundo, oh crap does it? [22:17] I think so [22:18] we are on freeze for it [22:18] let me check cdimage [22:18] thought i saw someone say that [22:18] yup [22:18] (earlier)( [22:18] ugh [22:18] http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/9.10/alpha-1/ [22:18] its out [22:18] bunch of updates today at least [22:18] June 11th [22:18] well I gtg now anyways...later all [22:18] oks :) is on June 11th [22:18] cya [22:18] * BUGabundo checks for updates [22:20] what is the next release name after karmic? [22:21] gnome 2.27.1 looks very good :) [22:21] there's a list somewhere on the wiki, but i dont think it's very fixed [22:22] digitaloktay: still unk aFAIK [22:25] * IngForigua think that karmic will be the best :) [22:25] me too IngForigua [22:26] ~200 ppl on +1? nice [22:27] goodbye [22:28] but gnome seems to be the same [22:30] yep [22:30] still no new release [22:32] is there anything exciting in a new gnome release? [22:32] *the [22:34] what new? [22:34] isn't it .26.1 ? [22:34] BUGabundo: it is according to the about screen [22:35] they claim its .27 [22:35] ahh [22:35] i saw some libraries come down the other day [22:35] guess I'm still late on upgrades [22:35] maybe its sorta in a hybrid state [22:35] thus far, there is nothing to write home about really [22:35] $ apt-cache policy gnome-about Installed: 1:2.26.1-0ubuntu2 [22:36] yes *** 1:2.26.1-0ubuntu2 0 [22:37] i upgraded my nvidia driver to the lastest last night and the window decorator coruption is back again [22:37] can't win [22:38] gotta go! later [22:39] mphill: using repo version or Nvidia site? === yofel_ is now known as yofel [23:28] humm [23:28] does mutting sound with keyboard shortcut, FAIL?