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| persia | ricaxe, You might want to change your password | 14:36 |
| ricaxe | ya | 14:36 |
| ricaxe | .:D | 14:36 |
| ricaxe | sorye | 14:36 |
| ricaxe | i dont work with irc long time ago ... | 14:36 |
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| ricaxe | i was trying to joint to some team of ubuntu art work | 14:42 |
| persia | So, who's here for the Java meeting? | 15:11 |
| ttx | o/ | 15:11 |
| persia | I see we again have the attention of the plurality of the channel :) | 15:12 |
| persia | I completely failed to prepare for today, so the wiki is probably out of date. | 15:12 |
| ttx | Still seems valid to me :) | 15:12 |
| persia | agenda is, as usual, at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/JavaTeam/Meeting | 15:12 |
| persia | says next meeting is 30th April :) | 15:12 |
| ttx | yeah, right, but time is such a fuzzy dimension... | 15:12 |
| persia | Roadmap needs a cleanup. I propose we do another big call for participants, and modify the future roadmap as a result. | 15:12 |
| ttx | yes. | 15:12 |
| persia | OK. I'll send out such an email. | 15:12 |
| persia | Anyway robilad, slytherin, and ludovicc aren't here. I was (again) useless. | 15:12 |
| persia | ttx, Did you make any progress? I saw the post about Contents. | 15:12 |
| ttx | I proposed a training session for June | 15:13 |
| ttx | didn't make the cut for May | 15:13 |
| persia | That should still give us a bit of time. | 15:13 |
| persia | Next up: Karmic Specs | 15:13 |
| persia | I suggest we probably want to merge that into the Roadmap planning. | 15:13 |
| ttx | yes, that's linked to it | 15:13 |
| persia | OK. Next up is other business. | 15:13 |
| ttx | I have two Java-related UDS sessions / blueprints | 15:13 |
| persia | Which ones? | 15:14 |
| ttx | One about refactoring the giant eucalyptus-javadepos package into proper separate packages | 15:14 |
| ttx | https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/server-karmic-euca-javadeps-refactoring | 15:14 |
| ttx | the other one about how to reduce the number of dependencies needing to move to main if we want eucalyptus in main | 15:14 |
| ttx | https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/server-karmic-eucalyptus-in-main | 15:14 |
| ttx | In both cases they are of interest to Java packagers | 15:14 |
| ScottK | How closely does Ubuntu Java work with Debian? | 15:14 |
| ttx | ScottK: very closely. For example they work on packaging Spring and asked us for testing | 15:15 |
| persia | ScottK, Very. In fact, we try to do nothing :) | 15:15 |
| ScottK | Excellent. | 15:15 |
| ttx | unfortunately I failed in getting Debian-Java guys sponsored for UDS | 15:15 |
| persia | Well, we do a fair bit of experimentation with OpenJDK, but lots of that is in close coordination with pkg-java. | 15:15 |
| persia | We used to have some pkg-java people come to the meetings, but one went MIA, and the other got busy with other stuff. | 15:15 |
| ttx | persia: I don't think we have other Java-oriented sessions at UDS ? | 15:16 |
| persia | I don't think so. There's usually one with Sun folk if they attend (at least for the past three). Would be on the foundations track. | 15:19 |
| ttx | doublechecking | 15:19 |
| ttx | hhhm no. We could do an adhoc one if we can identify Java-oriented people on site | 15:19 |
| ttx | there is the Eclipse talk | 15:20 |
| persia | Oh goody. That's a sore point that needs fixing. | 15:20 |
| persia | (although things like SWT are oddly stuck for a number of packages) | 15:20 |
| ttx | https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/foundations-karmic-eclipse-update | 15:20 |
| ttx | persia: not "oddly", "Javaly" | 15:20 |
| * ttx checks if he can make this one | 15:22 | |
| persia | ttx, No, oddly. See, there's this embedded SWT in eclipse (and also a separate SWT in the archive), and many packages decided to depend on the embedded SWT, which was split out... | 15:22 |
| ttx | hmm.. difficult | 15:22 |
| persia | Indeed. | 15:22 |
| persia | But soluable, even if just by supplying a versioned package. | 15:22 |
| persia | Anyway, I've a couple other things: | 15:24 |
| persia | 1) david_yu came by in #ubuntu-java earlier, and expressed a desire to help get stuff done for maven and jetty, but he's in UTC+8, and thinks this meeting happens too late. | 15:24 |
| persia | What do you think about moving it a few hours earlier? | 15:24 |
| ttx | persia: what time do you propose ? | 15:26 |
| persia | Hrm. Maybe 11:00 or so? | 15:27 |
| ttx | I'd prefer avoiding the 1000-1200 slot if possible. Anything 0600-1000 1200-1700 is ok for me though | 15:28 |
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| persia | I'd be happy with 9:00, and suspect it would work for +8. That mostly excludes the americas though. | 15:30 |
| ttx | let's try it... it would work for Onkar as well | 15:31 |
| persia | Sounds good. | 15:31 |
| persia | Next up; meeting dates. I'd prefer to skip the meeting during UDS, and I'd rather not have a big organisational meeting and then a two week gap, so I'd rather to the big call for people for th 4th of June. | 15:32 |
| persia | Do you expect there's enough to discuss that we ought have one next week? | 15:32 |
| ttx | ok | 15:32 |
| ttx | persia: probably not | 15:34 |
| ttx | I'll echo the June 4th call on my blog | 15:34 |
| ttx | (when sent) | 15:34 |
| persia | OK. I'll try to get the mail out this weekend. | 15:34 |
| persia | anything else? | 15:34 |
| ttx | no. | 15:34 |
| persia | meeting adjourned then :) | 15:36 |
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| * lool waves | 21:56 | |
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| * davidm waves | 21:58 | |
| dyfet | waving? | 21:58 |
| NCommander | #startmeeting | 22:00 |
| MootBot | Meeting started at 16:00. The chair is NCommander. | 22:00 |
| MootBot | Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE] | 22:00 |
| GrueMaster | What timing. | 22:00 |
| ogra_ | moop | 22:01 |
| NCommander | [link] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MobileTeam/Meeting/2009/20090514 | 22:01 |
| MootBot | LINK received: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MobileTeam/Meeting/2009/20090514 | 22:01 |
| NCommander | [topic] Action Item Review | 22:01 |
| MootBot | New Topic: Action Item Review | 22:01 |
| lool | no roll call? | 22:01 |
| NCommander | lool, I've never done it before ... | 22:02 |
| * lool pokes plars davidm and StevenK just in case | 22:02 | |
| * davidm ouch | 22:02 | |
| ogra_ | heh | 22:02 |
| lool | paulliu | 22:02 |
| lool | probably bad time for him | 22:02 |
| * NCommander won't think lool's poke was capable of hurting people. | 22:02 | |
| * lool loads bug urls | 22:03 | |
| davidm | NCommander, continue please | 22:03 |
| NCommander | [topic] NCommander to investigate 338148 | 22:03 |
| MootBot | New Topic: NCommander to investigate 338148 | 22:03 |
| NCommander | c/o | 22:03 |
| NCommander | [topic] GrueMaster to test newer version of Hildon Desktop to see if it resolves cat kills MID bug | 22:04 |
| MootBot | New Topic: GrueMaster to test newer version of Hildon Desktop to see if it resolves cat kills MID bug | 22:04 |
| GrueMaster | CO | 22:04 |
| NCommander | [topic] NCommander and GrueMaster to debug #337809 | 22:04 |
| MootBot | New Topic: NCommander and GrueMaster to debug #337809 | 22:04 |
| NCommander | co | 22:04 |
| NCommander | [topic] StevenK to follow up with Tim on lpia kernel configuration | 22:04 |
| MootBot | New Topic: StevenK to follow up with Tim on lpia kernel configuration | 22:04 |
| NCommander | No StevenK ... | 22:04 |
| NCommander | so co | 22:04 |
| davidm | I'm calling him now | 22:04 |
| NCommander | Ok, I'll wait a minute | 22:04 |
| davidm | He will join in a moment | 22:05 |
| NCommander | k | 22:05 |
| davidm | or so | 22:05 |
| NCommander | I'll come back to when he returns | 22:05 |
| NCommander | [topic] Outstanding bugs of interest | 22:05 |
| MootBot | New Topic: Outstanding bugs of interest | 22:05 |
| NCommander | There's been no progress on #299847, #338148, and #337809 | 22:05 |
| NCommander | lool, you have some bugs for us? | 22:05 |
| * ogra_ notes that oo.o and linux are still building on armel | 22:06 | |
| lool | Can't open them that fast | 22:06 |
| lool | I changed the references to bugs in the agenda to URLs | 22:07 |
| lool | NCommander: where's the list of bugs again? | 22:07 |
| ogra_ | and in case people dont know yet, we are not able to build livecds due to lack of aufs/unionfs | 22:07 |
| NCommander | lool, I've been using the roadmap | 22:07 |
| NCommander | [link] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MobileTeam/Roadmap | 22:07 |
| MootBot | LINK received: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MobileTeam/Roadmap | 22:07 |
| * lool adds a link to roadmap on meeting page | 22:08 | |
| ogra_ | there is one | 22:08 |
| ogra_ | at the top | 22:08 |
| persia | On the agenda even :) | 22:08 |
| lool | Oh, I didn't see it was added to the title bar, cool | 22:09 |
| lool | Well I don't have bugs to discuss | 22:10 |
| lool | But we could cover the lpia situation quickly | 22:10 |
| lool | So basically the toolchain was setup to target atom, which implies sse3 and ssse3, and perhaps other features | 22:10 |
| lool | Matthias will roll that back and go to pentium-m or i686 for now as a stop gap because the binaries don't run on the livefs builder | 22:11 |
| StevenK | Well, they do run, they just SIGILL :-) | 22:11 |
| lool | I propose we revisit this situation after UDS, when we have the occasion to discuss the fate of MID which is the only lpia image | 22:11 |
| lool | We don't have a session on other lpia images, but if we target pure atom we will lack a livefs, so we must know whether that's an issue | 22:12 |
| ogra_ | wasnt there a topic to build UNR lpia ? | 22:12 |
| persia | I'm not sure that most of those interested in MID are also interested in lpia these days. | 22:12 |
| StevenK | Yeah, I think that's up for discussion | 22:12 |
| persia | Most of the lpia hardware seems to be more netbook-like. | 22:12 |
| lool | No, I think MID is orthogonal | 22:12 |
| ogra_ | well, we still have spare slots on the schedule | 22:13 |
| davidm | they are filling up fast | 22:14 |
| lool | Will the alternate CD build? I guess so, I think it's built on the buildds right? | 22:15 |
| ogra_ | yep | 22:15 |
| ogra_ | wasnt a1 alternate released ? | 22:15 |
| * ogra_ wasnt near his mail the last hours | 22:15 | |
| lool | It was | 22:16 |
| lool | I even ran it on Q1U :) | 22:16 |
| ogra_ | ah :) | 22:16 |
| lool | And noticed issues with the kernel config | 22:16 |
| StevenK | lool: The alternate doesn't touch the livefs builder? | 22:16 |
| ogra_ | well, its A1 | 22:16 |
| ogra_ | StevenK, it doesnt use a livefs | 22:17 |
| lool | StevenK: I don't think so; I think it's just pure cdimage logic? | 22:17 |
| NCommander | StevenK, alternates are pure ubuntu-cdimage, they don't need to execute the binaries to build the image | 22:17 |
| ogra_ | why should it | 22:17 |
| * NCommander has generated ia64 images on amd64 | 22:17 | |
| ogra_ | its plain shell | 22:17 |
| NCommander | and superglue :-P | 22:17 |
| lool | Apart of that armel was lagging pretty heavily for A1; there are some toolchain issues | 22:17 |
| ogra_ | running on antimony only | 22:17 |
| lool | http://sourceware.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=10152 | 22:18 |
| MootBot | LINK received: http://sourceware.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=10152 | 22:18 |
| ubottu | sourceware.org bug 10152 in ld "[2.20 regression] ld segfault linking the kernel" [Normal,New] | 22:18 |
| lool | http://gcc.gnu.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=40133 | 22:18 |
| MootBot | LINK received: http://gcc.gnu.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=40133 | 22:18 |
| lool | http://gcc.gnu.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=40134 | 22:18 |
| MootBot | LINK received: http://gcc.gnu.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=40134 | 22:18 |
| ubottu | gcc.gnu.org bug 40133 in libstdc++ "exception propagation support not enabled in libstdc++ 4.4 on {armeabi,hppa}-linux" [Enhancement,Unconfirmed] | 22:18 |
| ubottu | gcc.gnu.org bug 40134 in target "symbols not resolved when building shared libraries (link with -lgcc_s -lgcc?)" [Normal,Unconfirmed] | 22:18 |
| ogra_ | they are akll fixed | 22:18 |
| StevenK | lool: Right | 22:18 |
| lool | Should be dealt with upstream or by ARM | 22:18 |
| lool | ogra_: Hmm? | 22:18 |
| ogra_ | linux is building since hours | 22:18 |
| NCommander | We have a good number of packages failing because of the gcc #40133 | 22:18 |
| ogra_ | binutils was uploaded yesterday | 22:18 |
| NCommander | QT and KDE are hosed, and I have yet to find a way to get Qt short of downgrading the toolchain | 22:19 |
| lool | Weird that the upstream bug is still open | 22:19 |
| lool | NCommander: -lgcc didn't work? | 22:19 |
| ogra_ | doko rolled back one change | 22:19 |
| lool | ogra_: Ok, that's only linux though; the other stand? | 22:19 |
| ogra_ | the binutils on the builders will work for qt | 22:19 |
| ogra_ | libstdc++ is fixed on the buildds too | 22:20 |
| ogra_ | i doubt we need to monitor libstdc++ or ld atm | 22:20 |
| lool | Hmm ok, great | 22:20 |
| NCommander | lool, I don't think the LDFLAGS I set on the commandline made it to the bits that FTBFS | 22:21 |
| ogra_ | not sure about the last one | 22:21 |
| NCommander | lool, Qt uses a non-standardized build system, so its a lot of cloak and danger with really long build times | 22:21 |
| StevenK | It isn't cmake? | 22:21 |
| NCommander | StevenK, its qmake with some special bits | 22:22 |
| StevenK | Oh, yuck | 22:22 |
| NCommander | KDE is mostly cmake, Qt is its own system | 22:22 |
| NCommander | And reconfiguring causes the package to autoclean | 22:22 |
| * StevenK feels his stomach churn | 22:22 | |
| NCommander | even with ccache, the build process takes the better part of a day | 22:22 |
| StevenK | Well, it is all complicated C++ | 22:22 |
| NCommander | yeah | 22:23 |
| lool | So it's fixed anyway, right? | 22:23 |
| ogra_ | well, oo.o and linux should be done soon | 22:23 |
| lool | Once the toolchain is built we give back, and voila | 22:23 |
| NCommander | lool, I may like pain, but even this is pushing it for me | 22:23 |
| NCommander | lool, oh, yeah, that should do it in theory | 22:23 |
| ogra_ | so you have builders available to throw stuff on them | 22:23 |
| * NCommander suspects Qt will ICE the compiler to spit me. | 22:23 | |
| lool | Anything else we want to discuss today? | 22:23 |
| StevenK | Hah | 22:23 |
| lool | Shall we have meetings in the next two weeks | 22:23 |
| ogra_ | we should do irc imho | 22:23 |
| lool | I'm tempted to cancel during UDS for one | 22:24 |
| GrueMaster | Little light reading before Barcelona: http://science.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=09/05/14/1556244 | 22:24 |
| ogra_ | though the time is inconvenient | 22:24 |
| NCommander | GrueMaster, yeah, I saw that | 22:24 |
| NCommander | lool, I think we could probably skit by without a UDS one, but we should kepe next weeks for the sake of the community | 22:24 |
| lool | The time is inconvenient, we'll have other stuff to do, be tired, and most of us will be over there | 22:24 |
| lool | NCommander: sold for me | 22:24 |
| davidm | I think we need to annmounce a skip until June IMHO we will be busy and tired for sure. | 22:25 |
| * StevenK looks up what time it is in Europe | 22:25 | |
| ogra_ | 11pm | 22:25 |
| StevenK | Ugh. Yes, skip it | 22:26 |
| NCommander | so I'll annouce no meeting until June | 22:27 |
| NCommander | [action] NCommander to annouce no meetings until June | 22:28 |
| MootBot | ACTION received: NCommander to annouce no meetings until June | 22:28 |
| ogra_ | no, announce the skip | 22:28 |
| StevenK | At least give a date: June 4/5 | 22:28 |
| NCommander | Oh, no, I indeed to | 22:28 |
| NCommander | The action just so I remember to note it | 22:28 |
| lool | anything else to cover? | 22:28 |
| NCommander | lpia, arm, meeting skip | 22:28 |
| NCommander | oh | 22:29 |
| NCommander | How'd we do for A1 w.r.t. to image testing? | 22:29 |
| NCommander | (what works, what doesn't?) | 22:29 |
| ogra_ | we dont have any | 22:29 |
| NCommander | I know ARM is broken, and lpia live is | 22:29 |
| NCommander | ogra, not even UNR? | 22:29 |
| ogra_ | for the official set at least | 22:29 |
| ogra_ | no live images possible | 22:29 |
| lool | kernel is broken | 22:29 |
| ogra_ | all our images are live | 22:29 |
| lool | we have images :) | 22:30 |
| lool | they just... don't work :) | 22:30 |
| GrueMaster | Do we have images yet for LSB testing? | 22:30 |
| ogra_ | none we do officially | 22:30 |
| StevenK | We didn't make A1 for UNR? | 22:30 |
| NCommander | Ugh | 22:30 |
| lool | No, but there was no live image in A1 at all | 22:30 |
| ogra_ | there is alternate armel, lpia ... | 22:30 |
| lool | armel really? | 22:30 |
| ogra_ | but not the ones we support | 22:30 |
| NCommander | lool, I'm actually not suprised alternate armel built | 22:30 |
| StevenK | GrueMaster: We have no images at all, it appears | 22:30 |
| ogra_ | no idea, i honestly didnt check | 22:31 |
| GrueMaster | k | 22:31 |
| lool | It did not | 22:31 |
| NCommander | I'm actually suprised UNR failed to build. | 22:31 |
| lool | *I* checked | 22:31 |
| lool | NCommander: UNR *built* | 22:31 |
| ogra_ | but if uilt, armel might too | 22:31 |
| lool | it doesn't work | 22:31 |
| playya_ | anyone has a device with a GSM chip? i want to create a freesmartphone.org team, but i don't have a device to test it. only my freerunner :( | 22:31 |
| NCommander | oh | 22:31 |
| StevenK | Bleh. | 22:31 |
| NCommander | playya_, yeah, I got one, but its .... *bleck* | 22:31 |
| NCommander | playya_, but this is more ontopic for #ubuntu-mobile vs this meeting. | 22:32 |
| lool | Let me recap: lpia livefs broken => no MID; armel linux FTBFS => no armel live; UNR/i386 built, but doesn't work as live support is broken in kernel; alternate lpia built and has some issues | 22:32 |
| StevenK | Oh! Right, UNR being broken isn't actually our fault | 22:32 |
| lool | Oh and no armel alternate for the same reason | 22:32 |
| * ogra_ sighs, gnome-shell really puts that machine under to much load, half of my typing is swallowed | 22:32 | |
| StevenK | ogra_: So that sentence was twice the number of keystrokes? :-P | 22:33 |
| ogra_ | StevenK, heh, yeah, took me a while | 22:33 |
| ogra_ | but gnome-shell looks cool at least ... just to blue | 22:33 |
| * persia points at the nice handy #ubuntu-mobile for chatting | 22:33 | |
| NCommander | At the risk of showing my ignorance, but what is gnome-shell? | 22:33 |
| * NCommander fires a back on topic cannon | 22:34 | |
| ogra_ | the future of gnome | 22:34 |
| NCommander | [topic] Specification Review | 22:34 |
| MootBot | New Topic: Specification Review | 22:34 |
| NCommander | Do we have any specs we want to discuss pre-UDS? | 22:34 |
| davidm | I don't know of any | 22:35 |
| NCommander | Ok | 22:35 |
| NCommander | [topic] Open Discussion | 22:35 |
| MootBot | New Topic: Open Discussion | 22:35 |
| ogra_ | we had that 5min ago :) | 22:35 |
| NCommander | Fair enogh | 22:35 |
| NCommander | [topic] Any Other Business | 22:35 |
| MootBot | New Topic: Any Other Business | 22:35 |
| NCommander | Going Once. | 22:35 |
| NCommander | Going Twice. | 22:36 |
| NCommander | Going Three times. | 22:36 |
| NCommander | #endmeeting | 22:36 |
| MootBot | Meeting finished at 16:36. | 22:36 |
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