[18:05]  * genii makes more coffee
[18:31] <genii> Bah. Some breakers or something blew. /away
[18:35] <Jack_Sparrow> @login
[18:35] <Jack_Sparrow> @btlogin
[18:36] <Jack_Sparrow> Vertix is ban evading.  Ikonia are you around
[18:37] <Pici> Jack_Sparrow: I don't see a ban in the bt
[18:37] <Jack_Sparrow> Look closer'
[18:37] <Pici> Jack_Sparrow: My face is against the screen now, still don't see it.
[18:37] <Jack_Sparrow> vertix!n=vertix3@116-130-124-91.pool.ukrtel.net
[18:38] <Jack_Sparrow> 10 from the top in my list
[18:38] <Jack_Sparrow> in the bt
[18:39] <Pici> odd, it dwasn't coming up before.
[18:39] <NavadeHo> hi,
[18:39] <NavadeHo> I'm still banned on #kubuntu
[18:40] <Jack_Sparrow> ikonia spent forever and his story about his system changed and on and on.  Then he got mouthy with me in channel and out  fihnally had to put a stop
[18:41] <Pici> I need to step out for a bite to eat
[18:41] <Jack_Sparrow> npo
[18:42] <Jack_Sparrow> I need for vertix to have a day off...
[18:54] <Jack_Sparrow> Welcome to -ops
[18:55] <Jack_Sparrow> vertix You seem to have an issue with me commenting on your attitude this morning.  Which led to you getting banned and then ban evading which is why you are here.  I noted in the bt that you are welcome to return in 24 hours.  Is there any further business
[18:57] <Jack_Sparrow> Here is a reference..  http://paste.ubuntu.com/172505/
[19:03] <Jack_Sparrow> vertix You seem like a talented guy.  There is no need for the attitude or any of the issues at hand. 
[19:08] <vertix> you are banning me for no reason i can even remotely imagine
[19:08] <vertix> not only you just commented on my "attitude", which was expressed in a SINGLE statement to that pest lady, who was being not very helful with her advice, but you immediately banned me
[19:09] <Jack_Sparrow> I commented on your attitude after talking with ikonia
[19:09] <vertix> when i told her her suggestions do not work
[19:09] <Jack_Sparrow> THen you had words for me in the channel
[19:09] <vertix> that other guy did give me correct suggestion, which was exactly what i was thinking about anyway
[19:10] <vertix> i did not have any words for YOU as i recall
[19:10] <vertix> i am not interested in you in any way, shape or form
[19:10] <Jack_Sparrow> You immediatly attacked me in pm and threatened illegal activites..
[19:10] <vertix> but you are interfering in free flow of information
[19:10] <vertix> it is YOUR attitude that needs examination, not mine
[19:10] <vertix> do you want me to show you the logs?
[19:10] <Jack_Sparrow> I have them
[19:11] <vertix> i did not "attack" you. i am not even interested if you are dead or alive, no matter what kind of big gun you think you are to dominate the entire channel and tell ppl when to speak and when to shutup
[19:11] <vertix> you live in a democratic country, don't you?
[19:12] <vertix> what is the essence of democracy?
[19:12] <vertix> do you know?
[19:12] <vertix> just because you don't like me or i don't like you, does not mean a thing
[19:12] <vertix> i've been struggling with  trying to boot ubuntu kernel for 2 weeks, non stop, with very lil sleep
[19:13] <Jack_Sparrow> !coc > vertix 
[19:13] <vertix> and that lady was after me with the most stoopid suggestions there are
[19:13] <Jack_Sparrow> !guidelines > vertix 
[19:13] <vertix> i don't want to speak via private channels
[19:13] <Myrtti> irc is not a democracy, never has been, never will be
[19:13] <Jack_Sparrow> THose are the rules of this channel
[19:13] <vertix> i want to speak in public
[19:13] <vertix> and YOU are the one, who interprets the rules?
[19:14] <Myrtti> vertix: we can trigger the bots say the exact same things on this channel
[19:14] <vertix> can i see the "offending" statement of mine?
[19:14] <Jack_Sparrow> I pastebinned some of your comments in pm the logs are available as you said you have them 
[19:14] <vertix> you mean suggesting me to spend another half of a day, doing the most stoopid thing in the world, which i have already done, deserves what kind of comment on my end?
[19:14] <vertix> so, can i see that statement HERE?
[19:15] <Jack_Sparrow> It is.. in the logs  and in here..
[19:15] <vertix> what is this power trip you are runnig, abusing the public trust bestowed upon thee?
[19:15] <vertix> I want to see the statement of mine that made you ban me
[19:15] <vertix> right here on this channel
[19:16] <vertix> cause i have no clue what triggered your bizzare attack
[19:16] <vertix> what do you want from me?
[19:16] <Jack_Sparrow> Go find it yourself
[19:16] <vertix> one more time: do you have a SLIGHTEST clue who I am?
[19:16] <vertix> i've got the logs, but i have no clue what specific statement made you ban me
[19:16] <vertix> it is YOU, who banned me
[19:17] <vertix> based on WHAT SPECIFIC STATEMENT?
[19:17] <vertix> one more time: YOU are abusing the PUBLIC information exchange, and of GLOBAL nature
[19:17] <Jack_Sparrow> Yep twice after you ban evaded and threatened to continue ban evading and that I could not stop you'
[19:17] <vertix> you do not own that channel
[19:17] <Myrtti> vertix: actually...
[19:17] <vertix> I did not "evade" ANYTHING
[19:18] <vertix> look guy, please realize that #ubuntu is not your private sandbox
[19:18] <vertix> to run  your power trips
[19:18] <vertix> it is GLOBAL information exchange channel
[19:18] <vertix> and no ego large or small can stand on the way
[19:19] <Myrtti> are you done with your rant soon?
[19:19] <vertix> no matter who you like and who you hate
[19:19]  * LjL senses some bad karma here
[19:19] <vertix> it is not a rant
[19:19] <vertix> it is simply the way it IS, you see :)
[19:19] <vertix> :)
[19:19] <nickspoon> Looks like a rant to me.
[19:19] <vertix> yep, whenever you deal with power trips, there is ALWAYS "bad karma" around
[19:19] <LjL> nickspoon!
[19:20] <Seeker`> looks like a rant to me too
[19:20] <vertix> well, i am done pretty much with this "rant" and i know you guys better than you can imagine, and i know this trip in and out :)
[19:20] <Seeker`> of someone labouring under the impression that access to IRC channels is some basic human right
[19:20] <LjL> is that saying you're a repeat offender? :o
[19:20] <vertix> Seeker, and dominating the channel is what?
[19:20] <nickspoon> vertix: If you're done, then do us a favour and leave.
[19:20] <vertix> who are you to control the oxygen supply?
[19:21] <LjL> the ops.
[19:21] <vertix> k, cya, i know it is hopeless case
[19:21] <nickspoon> You're perfectly welcome to believe that.
[19:22] <vertix> this channel looks like #twighlight-zone :)
[19:22] <vertix> ever heard about that one?
[19:22] <Seeker`> i don't think anyone here claims to control any sort of oxygen supply
[19:22] <Myrtti> if you'd really want to participate in the discussion on your bans, we're ready to listen and discuss, but since you are on your own personal power trip and have malformed ideas on the basics of #ubuntu channel mechanics and rules, there seems to be very little to talk about
[19:22]  * LjL cuts off Seeker`'s oxygen
[19:22]  * Seeker` chokes to death. Oh wait. This is IRC.
[19:22] <nickspoon> I'm afraid I haven't, vertix, and telling me will most likely be a waste of your time.
[19:23] <vertix> that is wher the most powerful ops in the world hang out, secret, invite only chan, sitting on major hubs all over the world and doing things, your hair would raise if you know
[19:23] <Myrtti> vertix: wow.
[19:23] <Jack_Sparrow> vertix Realistically, all you have been asked to do is read the guidelines our code of conduct and watch your attitude
[19:23] <LjL> oh lord, i'm already a-fear
[19:23] <vertix> Myrtti, you know the story already
[19:23] <nickspoon> Ah, conspiracy theories. The solace of the objectionable.
[19:23] <vertix> who wrote those "guidelines"?
[19:23] <Myrtti> vertix: yeah, it's the illuminati. Did you have anything else in your mind?
[19:23] <vertix> God?
[19:24] <vertix> all perfect?
[19:24] <vertix> all knowing?
[19:24] <LjL> vertix: stop the rant already.
[19:24] <nickspoon> vertix: As far as you're concerned, yes.
[19:24] <vertix> omni-potent?
[19:24] <vertix> omni-powerful?
[19:24] <LjL> you don't HAVE to be in the Ubuntu channels.
[19:24] <vertix> :)
[19:24] <LjL> if you DO come to them, please DO respect the guidelines.
[19:24] <Myrtti> your smileys hurt my brain
[19:24] <LjL> that's all there is about it.
[19:24] <vertix> Myrtti, i can tell you about the illuminati trip so your hairs would raise :)
[19:25] <Myrtti> wow.
[19:25] <nickspoon> vertix: You appear to be under the mistaken assumption that in order to enforce rules on a channel those rules must be... deific?
[19:25] <LjL> please stay on topic.
[19:25] <Seeker`> vertix: Do you have any stories better suited for bald people? They all seem to be aimed at raisng hair at the moment
[19:26] <vertix> as far as public channels go, there needs to be no "enforcement"
[19:26] <vertix> because who ARE you to begin with?
[19:26] <Myrtti> anyway, I'm on a really bad mood today, and if there isn't anything else to be discussed apart from accusing (one of) us from being on a powertrip or similar, I'm afraid your time is about to run out
[19:26] <vertix> just another mortal
[19:26] <nickspoon> Seeker`: Ooh, I have one about fluorine that will tear the skin off your forehead.
[19:26] <LjL> that is your opinion, but it is not shared by the channel operators here.
[19:26] <vertix> with his own limited mind
[19:26] <Seeker`> vertix: are you claiming ot be anything different?
[19:26] <nickspoon> vertix: Are you an anarchist, by any chance? That would explain a lot.#
[19:26] <vertix> different than what?
[19:26] <Myrtti> Seeker`: don't you know who he IS?
[19:27] <Seeker`> vertix: another mortal, with  a limited mind
[19:27] <vertix> Nope, I am Anand Veerent
[19:27] <vertix> one of 23 ppl on this planet
[19:27] <vertix> appointed by Osho
[19:27] <vertix> poisoned by Reganoid
[19:27]  * Seeker` checks for the moon
[19:28] <nickspoon> I wasn't aware that there were only 23 people on the planet.
[19:28] <Myrtti> I have to say, he entertained me quite a bit
[19:28] <Myrtti> I was feeling a bit down
[19:28] <Jack_Sparrow> Wow
[19:28]  * Myrtti sips her wine and strokes the pillow
[19:28] <nickspoon> There are some upsides to being an op.
[19:28] <LjL> nickspoon: like what, getting to know the actual number of people on the planet?
[19:29] <Seeker`> do you realise that menas that over half of the poeple in this room dont exist
[19:29] <nickspoon> LjL: And realising that at least 33 people in here aren't real.
[19:29] <Seeker`> actually, the voices in my head account for 25% of the global population
[19:30] <nickspoon> Add that to the voices in vertix's head and you have about 2 people left.
[19:30] <Myrtti> shush children
[19:30] <LjL> no u
[19:30] <Myrtti> the voices are hearing you!
[19:30]  * Myrtti points at the fourth wall
[19:30] <Seeker`> hmm, I appear to be getting a lot of spam coming through chlorine.canonical.com
[19:30]  * LjL breaks the fourth wall
[19:30] <nickspoon> The Illuminati are watching!
[19:46] <Jack_Sparrow> Vertix is in Ubuntu so I put a mute on him.
[19:47] <Pici> Wow
[19:47] <Pici> That was quite a backlog to read
[19:48] <Seeker`> Jack_Sparrow: why?
[19:48] <Jack_Sparrow> He was asked to stay out for 24 hours..
[19:48] <Seeker`> Jack_Sparrow: why did you mute him then?
[19:49] <Seeker`> if he was asked to stay out for 24 hours and 24 hours isn't up, then he shouldn't be there
[19:49] <Jack_Sparrow> He will see a ban but a mute he might not notice
[19:49] <Jack_Sparrow> HE did ban evade and threatened to continue.  
[19:49] <Seeker`> don't people get k-lined if they keep on ban evading? or am i making that up?
[19:50] <Jack_Sparrow> I am quite tired atm, and I agree...  
[19:52] <Jack_Sparrow> I need a pill and a nap..  Hope to see you later
[20:01] <Seeker`> wb?
[20:09]  * genii returns to find an !ops
[20:48] <Seeker`> wasn't there a discussion about banning *porn* before?
[20:48] <Seeker`> or was it *pr0n*?
[21:04] <LjL> pr0n
[21:05] <LjL> it's banned in -ot
[21:06] <Seeker`> fair enuf
[21:14] <nickspoon> I think that wildcard ban should be removed.#
[21:14] <Seeker`> nickspoon: the *porn* one?
[21:14] <nickspoon> *pr0n*
[21:17] <LjL> yeah
[21:17] <LjL> *poo* would be much more appropriate really
[21:18] <Seeker`> for -ot, * would be more appropriate
[21:18] <LjL> not *` ?
[21:18] <Seeker`> no
[21:19] <nickspoon> Should probably just ban LjL.
[21:20] <Seeker`> yeah
[21:20] <LjL> k-line please
[21:22]  * Myrtti votes in favor
[21:22] <jussi01> what?
[21:22]  * LjL hides
[21:39] <jussi01> DShepherd: how can we help you today?
[21:40] <DShepherd> jussi01, well . for starts i just got 'excused' from ubuntu
[21:40] <DShepherd> something about some Dccexploit
[21:41] <genii> Weird. Floodbot2 apparrently went +oo there.
[21:41] <jussi01> DShepherd: please read the topic in #ubuntu-read-topic
[21:41] <DShepherd> jussi01, i did that ..thats why i am here
[21:41] <LjL> genii: did what?
[21:42] <jussi01> DShepherd: so you fixed the problem and said "test me" in channel?
[21:42] <genii> LjL: Actually it was floodbot3 in this case:  *** Mode #ubuntu +oo FloodBot3 FloodBot1 by ChanServ
[21:43] <genii> nvm I see two names now there
[21:43] <DShepherd> not yet... trying to do that as we speak
[21:43] <LjL> he certainly did read the topic didn't he :)
[21:45] <Flannel> DShepherd: Alright.  You're obviously confused.  What are you confused about?
[21:45] <DShepherd> Flannel, heheeh. I am not. just came to tell jussi01 i am good now
[21:46] <jussi01> :)
[21:46] <jussi01> DShepherd: great. see you!
[21:46] <DShepherd> * and .... they usher me out*
[21:46] <DShepherd> so that means I shouldnt be here ... right? not even to sit in .... 
[21:46] <Flannel> DShepherd: I don't see you being unbanned....
[21:46] <jussi01> DShepherd: we have a no idle policy here
[21:46] <Flannel> DShepherd: Are you sure you're good?
[21:47] <DShepherd> Flannel, no .. I am not. I dont seem to be able to speak. I just the room though
[21:48] <DShepherd> i am just in*
[21:48] <Flannel> DShepherd: right, so, what about the topic in #ubuntu-read-topic don't you understand?
[21:48] <DShepherd> i'll figure it out..
[21:48] <DShepherd> i will ask for help when i need it ... thanks
[21:48] <DShepherd> later ..
[21:49] <DShepherd> thanks for the help though
[21:49] <DShepherd> :-)
[21:49] <jussi01> right...
[21:50] <Flannel> Well, he did figure it out.
[21:50] <Flannel> But, I'm... curious as to why you'd come here to tell us you (didn't really) read the topic
[21:52] <genii> Not enough coffee.
[21:52] <LjL> genii: you can't put everything down to that!
[21:53] <genii> LjL: Well, not for lack of trying.
[22:02] <genii> OK, I'm out, work is over. Laters!
[22:26] <norrisg1> Hea i need a operator that can answer a question for me.
[22:26] <LjL> feel free to ask.
[22:26] <norrisg1> ok
[22:27] <norrisg1> Can i get in trouble for giving false information on fixing a problem without knowing that it was false information
[22:27] <LjL> making mistakes is human.
[22:27] <norrisg1> so what if they take the advice and it messes up their computer
[22:28] <LjL> whether or not you likely knew it was false information is something that the operators will use their best judgment about.
[22:28] <LjL> is this hypothetical?
[22:28] <norrisg1> ok
[22:29] <norrisg1> and i have one more question
[22:29] <norrisg1> Operators are hand picked right.
[22:29] <Myrtti> yes
[22:29] <elky> you wont get in trouble for asking without knowing. you probably will if you continue to give bad advice after being informed it's bad.
[22:29]  * LjL takes a deep breath
[22:30] <norrisg1> ok thanks
[22:32]  * LjL suggests adding a @mark to the collection
[22:32] <elky> he's a pest?
[22:32] <Myrtti> never seen him before
[22:32] <LjL> but i have.
[22:33] <LjL> check tracker, if i say "add to the collection", it means there's a collection.
[22:36] <elky> !canibeanop The Ops team does not take applications. When we want more Ops, we choose people who we are familiar with, and are seen to be polite and knowledgeable. We only choose people who will be effective operators and who we are confident will not abuse the privilege.
[22:36] <elky> !canibeanop  is The Ops team does not take applications. When we want more Ops, we choose people who we are familiar with, and are seen to be polite and knowledgeable. We only choose people who will be effective operators and who we are confident will not abuse the privilege.
[22:36] <elky> meh. now. work
[22:36] <LjL> elky: why not just make them read the guidelines?
[22:37] <elky> why not just have that there for when they say they've read the guidelines but havent.
[22:37] <nickspoon> If that's true, elky, why is LjL an op? ;)
[22:38] <LjL> because having someone read the guidelines when they're asking something guidelines-related is inherently more productive than giving them the single bit of information
[22:38] <elky> nickspoon, he isnt.
[22:38] <LjL> nickspoon: i'm not.
[22:38] <nickspoon> Since when?
[22:38] <LjL> couple of weeks
[22:38] <LjL> a month. something.
[22:38] <nickspoon> I had no idea!
[22:38] <LjL> you rerely do
[22:39] <nickspoon> I was wondering why I wasn't getting kicked quite so often.
[22:40] <LjL> nickspoon: consider yourself kicked
[22:40] <nickspoon> It's just not the same.
[22:40]  * LjL hugs the spoon
[22:40] <elky> tehe
[22:41] <nickspoon> <3
[22:41] <Seeker`> has LjL actually been removed from access lists? or does he just choose not to use it?
[22:42] <LjL> Seeker`: you can remove yourself from them
[22:42] <elky> Seeker`, i believe he removed himself
[22:42] <elky> oh that's mean
[22:42] <elky> cs o
[22:43] <elky> he cant unban himself from here :P
[22:43] <Seeker`> hehe
[22:43] <nickspoon> ...indeed.
[22:43] <elky> anyway, werk tiem
[22:43] <nickspoon> Have fun elky :P
[22:44] <Seeker`> I can't unban myself from nay places
[22:44] <LjL> oh he can't?! i DIDN'T KNOW. REALLY!
[22:44] <Seeker`> *many
[23:03] <Seeker`> I think I'm going to have to have a computerless weekend
[23:03] <LjL> *gasp*
[23:03] <Seeker`> beginning to get tingling / burning in my hand
[23:04] <LjL> :\
[23:04] <Myrtti> Seeker`: bummer :-/
[23:04] <Seeker`> typing seems to be ok
[23:04] <LjL> it's moved in the back and neck now for me
[23:04] <Myrtti> Seeker`: I'll prolly have similar next week
[23:04] <Seeker`> but mouse useage is probably going to become difficutl
[23:05] <Seeker`> mind you, irssi should be ok :D
[23:05] <Myrtti> kekekeke
[23:05] <Seeker`> Myrtti: why?
[23:06] <Myrtti> Seeker`: more irc and using the computers since I've got nothing else do to
[23:06] <Seeker`> :/
[23:06] <LjL> Seeker`: anyway rest the hand before you regret not having done it :P
[23:07] <Seeker`> typing one handed :)
[23:07] <LjL> that's arguably a worse punishment
[23:08] <Seeker`> heh
[23:09] <LjL> anyway meh, why must be our bones and nerves and stuff be so delicate :|
[23:09] <Seeker`> dont know
[23:09] <Seeker`> it sucks
[23:12] <LjL> "norrisg1" is again doing the "anyone need help" thing that i discussed with him in april (check bantracker).
[23:12] <Seeker`> especially seeing as i rely on using a computer to earn money
[23:12] <LjL> and, one has to wonder why someone offering help in PM would ask us whether "involuntary" destructive advice would somehow get punished.
[23:14] <Seeker`> dont find anything in bt for norrisg1
[23:15] <LjL> Seeker`: try just norrisg, or his ident, garret
[23:16] <LjL> why does sebsebseb get so much on my nerves.
[23:18] <LjL> is there a reason NavadeHo is in here?
[23:19] <Seeker`> he wants to be unbanned from #kubuntu
[23:19] <Seeker`> joined 5 hours ago or so 
[23:19] <Seeker`> seems to have been ignored basically
[23:20] <LjL> was my ban
[23:21] <Seeker`> i'm not in a position to remove it afaik
[23:21] <LjL> no you aren't, anyway it can be removed as far as i'm concerned if the attitude here is decent.
[23:22] <LjL> not that any of my bans cannot be removed as far as i'm concerned, just saying it was a relatively minor offense and i think i already removed the corresponding #ubuntu ban
[23:22] <Seeker`> he has certainly been patient
[23:43] <Seeker`> eugh