| jbailey | NCommander, Yes and No. | 15:50 |
|---|---|---|
| jbailey | One of the ideas I had for the port when I started helping LaMont with it was to do experimental things on it. | 15:50 |
| jbailey | Since mostly noone was using it, it could be a good test ground for things like NPTL and such. | 15:50 |
| jbailey | In practice, the upstream kernel maintainer is an asshole so I lost interest in trying to help. | 15:50 |
| NCommander | jbailey, I'm kinda reminded of glibc .... | 15:50 |
| jbailey | Actually, I don't mind doing stuff for Uli. | 15:50 |
| jbailey | Uli is pretty much always *right* | 15:50 |
| jbailey | He's abrupt, and rude, but there's a lot to learn there. | 15:52 |
| NCommander | so more like Theo from OpenBSD than Drepper | 15:52 |
| jbailey | Right. Although Theo is harsher than Kyle. | 15:52 |
| NCommander | Theo has admitted he's wrong before | 15:52 |
| jbailey | Kyle's perfectly fine in person, at least. | 15:52 |
| jbailey | Theo not so much. =) | 15:52 |
| jbailey | I also think Kyle will probably mellow as he gets older. | 15:53 |
| jbailey | Theo, not so much. | 15:53 |
| NCommander | jbailey, well, I planned to talk about lamont on what we're doing with HPPA at UDS | 15:57 |
| lamont | jbailey: you should so come to UDS and join the bof | 16:30 |
| jbailey | lamont, I think I would have trouble getting my employer to fly me on a last-minute notice to Spain to come discuss HPPA. | 16:30 |
| jbailey | I'm having trouble justifying OLS, and it's in Montréal this year. | 16:31 |
| lamont | meh. you need a cooler employer | 16:31 |
| jbailey | Well, the employer is great. The department I changed to makes OLS somewhat non-applicable. | 16:35 |
| lamont | heh | 16:50 |
| lamont | ok. find a cooler department then. :-p | 16:50 |
| NCommander | lamont, personally, where do you sit on the HPPA fence | 16:50 |
| jbailey | lamont, But.. The IE Toolbar team is *cuddly* =) | 16:52 |
| lamont | jbailey: you're married | 16:55 |
| lamont | NCommander: I try to stay away from the fence | 16:55 |
| lamont | you went and breathed new life into it... | 16:55 |
| NCommander | lamont, then I learned HP killed it. | 16:55 |
| lamont | I was kinda figuring that if your energy carried us to the next LTS, then we'd be good for longer than anyone cares | 16:55 |
| jbailey | NCommander, Last time LaMont peed on a fence, he discovered it was electric. | 16:55 |
| lamont | jbailey: so not true | 16:55 |
| lamont | I just avoid peeing on fences, period | 16:55 |
| lamont | trees are safer | 16:55 |
| NCommander | jbailey, it would have been a electrifying experience. | 16:55 |
| NCommander | lamont, anyway, I've been looking at ia64/hardy | 16:59 |
| NCommander | lamont, I can build images, but I can't sign them, which causes the installer to go OMG NO! and die | 16:59 |
| NCommander | I'm going to try my hand at creating a live image instead | 17:00 |
| lamont | NCommander: yeah... what you do in that case is this: make a derivitive ubuntu-keyring package with a new key in it, sign things with that key. presto | 17:00 |
| NCommander | lamont, I can't figure out how to inject that with ubuntu-cdimage | 17:01 |
| NCommander | lamont, I might be able to muster a one off for hardy actually now that I think about it though if I play this right | 17:03 |
| NCommander | (build it the normal way, then tear the image apart and rebuild it via the wiki instructions) | 17:03 |
| lamont | and include that ubuntu-keyring package in the CD copy of the archive | 17:04 |
| NCommander | yeah, thats just a PITA to do :-/ | 17:04 |
| lamont | yeah - rip-n-stuff | 17:04 |
| lamont | NCommander: verily | 17:04 |
| NCommander | lamont, you don't have access to antimony and can run a build can you? | 17:06 |
| lamont | NCommander: lets go with a simple "no" to that, even though it's yes, and the answer is no for other reasons | 17:06 |
| NCommander | lamont, I thought as much, but it would be nice to make life easier ;-) | 17:09 |
| lamont | well, I mean, I have root on antimony. that of course doesn't mean that I necessarily have access to the key, nor would it be appropriate use of godhood | 17:10 |
| NCommander | lamont, no, I know you have root, but I didn't know if you were also a member of the cdimage build team. | 17:16 |
| lamont | NCommander: I'm not #distro... so lump me in with the rest of the non-canonical core-dev population | 17:16 |
| NCommander | lamont, I'll probably build the ia64 image sometime this weekend for your friend, I'm just heading towards OMG nervous breakdown thus week due to family issues | 17:16 |
| lamont | ah... allhands is my OMG breakdown | 17:17 |
| NCommander | lamont, if he wants an image now, have him install gutsy, and then hand upgrade to hardy->intrepid->jaunty | 17:17 |
| NCommander | lamont, believe it or not, thats an improvement for me. | 17:17 |
| NCommander | a few thousand miles away from my family will be a massive stress relief bullet | 17:17 |
| lamont | he's looking for something supportable to rub rhel/fedora's nose in | 17:18 |
| lamont | as in current iso installable | 17:18 |
| lamont | with a little muttering about, you know. | 17:18 |
| lamont | so if we have a ppa with the kernel built for jaunty (such that debootstrap from jaunty + a little muppetry --> server iso and/or livecd), then we might be able to get cjwatson drunk enough to turn the crank for us at UDS :) | 17:19 |
| NCommander | lamont, I can turn the crank easily enough | 17:22 |
| NCommander | lamont, if you install gutsy, you can upgrade clean to jaunty, but you end up on a 2.6.24 kernel | 17:23 |
| NCommander | which isn't an issue | 17:23 |
| NCommander | (I'm actually typing this from the jaunty/ia64 :-)) | 17:23 |
| lamont | yeah. I know that... did it, bought the t-shirt. | 17:29 |
| lamont | and upgraded to the jaunty kernel | 17:29 |
| NCommander | lamont, probably a bad idea | 18:19 |
| * NCommander believes the jaunty kernel has broken modules | 18:19 | |
| lamont | Linux zx 2.6.28-6-ia64-generic #20-Ubuntu SMP Fri Apr 17 08:31:56 UTC 2009 ia64 GNU/Linux | 18:22 |
| lamont | 11:22:34 up 21 days, 12:55, 2 users, load average: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00 | 18:22 |
| jbailey | lamont, I've been with cjwatson when he got drunk. | 18:28 |
| jbailey | I was unable to move the next day. | 18:28 |
| lamont | jbailey: heh | 18:29 |
| jbailey | lamont, Were you with us in Paris? | 18:29 |
| lamont | nope | 18:32 |
| NCommander | lamont, and you have working modules? | 18:47 |
| lamont | lsmod| wc | 18:53 |
| lamont | 40 141 1716 | 18:53 |
| NCommander | lamont, I'll be damned | 18:57 |
| NCommander | lamont, that works :-/ | 18:57 |
| NCommander | lamont, ping | 23:34 |
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