[15:50] <jbailey> NCommander, Yes and No.
[15:50] <jbailey> One of the ideas I had for the port when I started helping LaMont with it was to do experimental things on it.
[15:50] <jbailey> Since mostly noone was using it, it could be a good test ground for things like NPTL and such.
[15:50] <jbailey> In practice, the upstream kernel maintainer is an asshole so I lost interest in trying to help.
[15:50] <NCommander> jbailey, I'm kinda reminded of glibc ....
[15:50] <jbailey> Actually, I don't mind doing stuff for Uli.
[15:50] <jbailey> Uli is pretty much always *right*
[15:52] <jbailey> He's abrupt, and rude, but there's a lot to learn there.
[15:52] <NCommander> so more like Theo from OpenBSD than Drepper
[15:52] <jbailey> Right.  Although Theo is harsher than Kyle.
[15:52] <NCommander> Theo has admitted he's wrong before
[15:52] <jbailey> Kyle's perfectly fine in person, at least.
[15:52] <jbailey> Theo not so much. =)
[15:53] <jbailey> I also think Kyle will probably mellow as he gets older.
[15:53] <jbailey> Theo, not so much.
[15:57] <NCommander> jbailey, well, I planned to talk about lamont on what we're doing with HPPA at UDS
[16:30] <lamont> jbailey: you should so come to UDS and join the bof
[16:30] <jbailey> lamont, I think I would have trouble getting my employer to fly me on a last-minute notice to Spain to come discuss HPPA.
[16:31] <jbailey> I'm having trouble justifying OLS, and it's in Montréal this year.
[16:31] <lamont> meh.  you need a cooler employer
[16:35] <jbailey> Well, the employer is great.  The department I changed to makes OLS somewhat non-applicable.
[16:50] <lamont> heh
[16:50] <lamont> ok.  find a cooler department then. :-p
[16:50] <NCommander> lamont, personally, where do you sit on the HPPA fence
[16:52] <jbailey> lamont, But.. The IE Toolbar team is *cuddly* =)
[16:55] <lamont> jbailey: you're married
[16:55] <lamont> NCommander: I try to stay away from the fence
[16:55] <lamont> you went and breathed new life into it...
[16:55] <NCommander> lamont, then I learned HP killed it.
[16:55] <lamont> I was kinda figuring that if your energy carried us to the next LTS, then we'd be good for longer than anyone cares
[16:55] <jbailey> NCommander, Last time LaMont peed on a fence, he discovered it was electric.
[16:55] <lamont> jbailey: so not true
[16:55] <lamont> I just avoid peeing on fences, period
[16:55] <lamont> trees are safer
[16:55] <NCommander> jbailey, it would have been a electrifying experience.
[16:59] <NCommander> lamont, anyway, I've been looking at ia64/hardy
[16:59] <NCommander> lamont, I can build images, but I can't sign them, which causes the installer to go OMG NO! and die
[17:00] <NCommander> I'm going to try my hand at creating a live image instead
[17:00] <lamont> NCommander: yeah... what you do in that case is this:  make a derivitive ubuntu-keyring package with a new key in it, sign things with that key.  presto
[17:01] <NCommander> lamont, I can't figure out how to inject that with ubuntu-cdimage
[17:03] <NCommander> lamont, I might be able to muster a one off for hardy actually now that I think about it though if I play this right
[17:03] <NCommander> (build it the normal way, then tear the image apart and rebuild it via the wiki instructions)
[17:04] <lamont> and include that ubuntu-keyring package in the CD copy of the archive
[17:04] <NCommander> yeah, thats just a PITA to do :-/
[17:04] <lamont> yeah - rip-n-stuff
[17:04] <lamont> NCommander: verily
[17:06] <NCommander> lamont, you don't have access to antimony and can run a build can you?
[17:06] <lamont> NCommander: lets go with a simple "no" to that, even though it's yes, and the answer is no for other reasons
[17:09] <NCommander> lamont, I thought as much, but it would be nice to make life easier ;-)
[17:10] <lamont> well, I mean, I have root on antimony.  that of course doesn't mean that I necessarily have access to the key, nor would it be appropriate use of godhood
[17:16] <NCommander> lamont, no, I know you have root, but I didn't know if you were also a member of the cdimage build team.
[17:16] <lamont> NCommander: I'm not #distro... so lump me in with the rest of the non-canonical core-dev population
[17:16] <NCommander> lamont, I'll probably build the ia64 image sometime this weekend for your friend, I'm just heading towards OMG nervous breakdown thus week due to family issues
[17:17] <lamont> ah... allhands is my OMG breakdown
[17:17] <NCommander> lamont, if he wants an image now, have him install gutsy, and then hand upgrade to hardy->intrepid->jaunty
[17:17] <NCommander> lamont, believe it or not, thats an improvement for me.
[17:17] <NCommander> a few thousand miles away from my family will be a massive stress relief bullet
[17:18] <lamont> he's looking for something supportable to rub rhel/fedora's nose in
[17:18] <lamont> as in current iso installable
[17:18] <lamont> with a little muttering about, you know.
[17:19] <lamont> so if we have a ppa with the kernel built for jaunty (such that debootstrap from jaunty + a little muppetry --> server iso and/or livecd), then we might be able to get cjwatson drunk enough to turn the crank for us at UDS :)
[17:22] <NCommander> lamont, I can turn the crank easily enough
[17:23] <NCommander> lamont, if you install gutsy, you can upgrade clean to jaunty, but you end up on a 2.6.24 kernel
[17:23] <NCommander> which isn't an issue
[17:23] <NCommander> (I'm actually typing this from the jaunty/ia64 :-))
[17:29] <lamont> yeah.  I know that... did it, bought the t-shirt.
[17:29] <lamont> and upgraded to the jaunty kernel
[18:19] <NCommander> lamont, probably a bad idea
[18:19]  * NCommander believes the jaunty kernel has broken modules
[18:22] <lamont> Linux zx 2.6.28-6-ia64-generic #20-Ubuntu SMP Fri Apr 17 08:31:56 UTC 2009 ia64 GNU/Linux
[18:22] <lamont>  11:22:34 up 21 days, 12:55,  2 users,  load average: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00          
[18:28] <jbailey> lamont, I've been with cjwatson when he got drunk.
[18:28] <jbailey> I was unable to move the next day.
[18:29] <lamont> jbailey: heh
[18:29] <jbailey> lamont, Were you with us in Paris?
[18:32] <lamont> nope
[18:47] <NCommander> lamont, and you have working modules?
[18:53] <lamont>  lsmod| wc
[18:53] <lamont>      40     141    1716
[18:57] <NCommander> lamont, I'll be damned
[18:57] <NCommander> lamont, that works :-/
[23:34] <NCommander> lamont, ping