[00:33] <dasKreech> Mamarok: ping
[00:33] <dasKreech>  kb9vqf: ping
[00:33] <kb9vqf> daskreech: pong
[00:34] <dasKreech> how are you?
[00:34] <kb9vqf> Doing OK
[00:34]  * kb9vqf is sorta on vacation....
[00:35] <dasKreech> Sorta?
[00:35] <kb9vqf> Well, on vacation from work, but still doing work-related things.  Yuck.
[00:35] <dasKreech> astromme: Ping
[00:35] <dasKreech> Wonderful isn't it?
[00:35] <kb9vqf> :)
[00:35] <astromme> dasKreech: pong
[00:36] <dasKreech> astromme: How much Mem does nepomuk normally consume for you?
[00:36] <dasKreech> kb9vqf: Hows your server been holding up?
[00:36] <kb9vqf> Pretty good now; the downloads have trailed off a bit
[00:36] <kb9vqf> 4000+ downloads of the final version!
[00:37] <dasKreech> Ugh Ok never mind that's bad astromme
[00:37] <astromme> dasKreech: Right now I'm at 300 MB for it
[00:37] <astromme> ?
[00:37] <dasKreech> My friend just came back in from work and messaged me. Nepomuk is using up 430 MB of RAM
[00:37] <astromme> I should say... NepomukServicesStub is using 300
[00:37] <astromme> And iirc that is strigi
[00:38] <astromme> not nepomuk
[00:38] <dasKreech> He's indexing two folders with 550 MB of data
[00:38] <dasKreech> That's pretty horrible
[00:38] <astromme> I'm indexing thousands with 100GB of data
[00:38] <astromme> including the entire kde source tree
[00:38] <astromme> and many films/photos
[00:38] <dasKreech> Yeah which is why I said it's horrible
[00:39] <astromme> Hmm, I don't consider it to be that horrible
[00:39] <astromme> and I think it's in the strigi component honestly
[00:40] <dasKreech> copying the things that you need to index into the RAM kinda sucks :)
[00:41] <astromme> dasKreech: I don't know/think it's doing it. /shrug I'm not an expert by any means, so maybe I shouldn't be speculating. Ask around in #nepomuk-kde
[00:41] <dasKreech> Man that place is so cold and dark :-(
[00:43] <Riddell> why oh why does kdelibs-experimental have a low build score
[00:43] <JontheEchidna> It's newness, perhaps?
[00:43] <dasKreech> Didn't study?
[00:43] <Riddell> rgreening: oh you fixed the kshisen icons?
[00:44] <rgreening> :)
[00:44] <Riddell> lovely, uploading
[00:45] <rgreening> did you remove the ~ppa1 from it i don't remember if I did that in bzr
[00:45] <Riddell> doesn't seem to be it in bzr
[00:48] <rgreening> ok, I must have done that one. however kdegraphics is showing ~ppa1
[00:48] <rgreening> :)
[00:48] <rgreening> I was waiting for the build to complete in PPA and then update bzr.
[00:49] <rgreening> you'll have to update the one promoted to main
[00:49] <rgreening> Riddell: ^
[00:51] <rgreening> Riddell: did you upload kdebase as well? bzr would still be ~ppa1 for it as well.
[00:51] <Riddell> didn't you say that needed kdebase-workspace?
[00:52] <Riddell> which is still waiting on qzion/qedje
[00:53] <nixternal> ~twitter status
[00:53] <kubotu> Make WebKit default in Konqueror: keditfiletype text/html - select embedded tab - move webkit part to the top - only works on trunk (35 seconds ago via choqoK)
[00:53] <nixternal> nice
[00:53] <JontheEchidna> Riddell: actually it failed due to the lack of libknotificationitem-dev
[00:53] <JontheEchidna> (workspace)
[00:53] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: that too
[00:53] <Riddell> nixternal: ?  what's that from?
[00:53] <JontheEchidna> ok, just making sure you were aware :)
[00:54] <rgreening> Riddell: I just updated bzr for kdegraphics. TO remove the ~ppa1.
[00:55] <dasKreech> kb9vqf: Did you try the Ibex -> Jackalope upgrade ?
[00:55] <JontheEchidna> I've started on jaunty backports btw
[00:55] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: excellent
[00:55] <nixternal> Riddell: that is my last tweet
[00:56] <dasKreech> ~twitter status
[00:56] <kubotu> you should specify the username of the twitter touse, or identify using 'twitter identify [username] [password]'
[00:56] <Riddell> there's 450 items in new queue!
[00:56] <rgreening> Riddell: I just updated bzr for kdebase. To remove the ~ppa1.
[00:56] <dasKreech> ~identica
[00:56] <dasKreech> :-P
[00:58] <Riddell> time to sleep, keep packaging hard dudes!
[00:58] <JontheEchidna> oh-kay!
[00:58] <nixternal> is 4.3 b1 going into a jaunty ppa? it is the #1 question on the intertubes I am seeing
[00:59] <nixternal> can I be of some assistance?
[01:00] <rgreening> nixternal: yeah. grab something from the cave.. toys, plasma addons, etc
[01:00] <JontheEchidna> yeah, we're going to backport it
[01:00]  * astromme chuckles
[01:01]  * astromme goes back to fixing a huge bug in his rtm plasmoid. Whoops, dates do not change magically. 
[01:01]  * rgreening attempts to finish kdenetwork.
[01:01] <nixternal> I hate this damn cave
[01:01] <dasKreech> astromme: Actaully I find they do over time
[01:02] <astromme> lol!
[01:02] <astromme> well, at least not when I set them to be "today" as a hard date
[01:02] <dasKreech> :-)
[01:03] <nixternal> it used to be so much easier to contribute to Kubuntu before this silly bat cave, batty scripts, and hidden communications...it is actually very irritating
[01:04] <dasKreech> Holy protocol batman!
[01:05] <rgreening> nixternal: you don't need to use the scripts. Riddell doesn't. He's strickly all by hand :)
[01:05] <nixternal> right, but everything is hidden
[01:06] <nixternal> well, I guess for others they are, not for me, I keep forgetting I have access to the kde stuff
[01:06] <rgreening> nixternal: only becuse we have advance access... otherwise it wouldn't be :)
[01:06] <rgreening> lol
[01:07] <nixternal> well...
[01:11]  * astromme thinks that while it's currently the best we have out there, the debian .deb model is just so yucky and tangled an unneeded
[01:11] <kb9vqf> daskreech: I did my usual apt-get dist-upgrade on several systems with no problems...
[01:11] <kb9vqf> But I haven't tried the GUI method yet
[01:11] <dasKreech> ok
[01:12] <nixternal> astromme: ? it is the same "yucky and tangled and unneeded" model that we use...scripts and hidden stuff doesn't change that
[01:12]  * astromme is also someone who doesn't do packagaing on a regular basis, so take my word with a grain of salt
[01:12] <nixternal> to late :p
[01:13] <astromme> I don't know... I've done a small amount of gentoo packaging, a small amount of archlinux packaing, a small amount of debian packaging
[01:13] <astromme> I was never able to wrap my mind around the debian packagaing. Maybe it was because of all the scripts that did stuff 'for me'
[01:14] <astromme> maybe it was because of all of the little files that seemed to be needed
[01:14] <astromme> maybe it was because of all of the little magic incantations and buildscripts needed to just build a package.
[01:14] <astromme> I dunno
[01:14] <astromme> Maybe it was me exhibiting a major fail
[01:17]  * rgreening thinks nixternal needs a hug
[01:17] <rgreening> haha
[01:20] <dasKreech> astromme: Another anity check how big is the $KDEHOME nepomuk directory ?
[01:21] <astromme> dasKreech: iirc 1GB. lemmy check
[01:21] <dasKreech> Ok his is 4GB to index 550 MBs
[01:21] <dasKreech> and associated metadata I suspect
[01:21] <dasKreech> and I gues some overhead
[01:21] <astromme> yeah, looks to be 1%
[01:21] <astromme> which is reasonable I think
[01:22] <astromme> considering that a heck of a lot is indexed
[01:23] <ryanakca> nixternal: ping, help.kubuntu.org , did you rerun your script?
[01:35]  * JontheEchidna realized that kdewebdev was in universe and uploaded
[01:37] <rgreening> lol
[01:39] <JontheEchidna> once kdelibs and kdelibs-experimental is done, we should be free to backport the first layer of the stack
[01:40] <rgreening> Im close to finishing kdenetwork. Lot's of new files added... lots of chnages to integrate.
[01:41] <JontheEchidna> are you going to go for the record of longest debian/changelog entry with this one? :P
[01:48] <rgreening> JontheEchidna: check out kdegraphics and kdegames :)
[01:48] <rgreening> Maybe I should shorten them up.
[01:48] <rgreening> lol
[01:48] <JontheEchidna> I usually just stick with: -Updated various .install files
[01:49] <JontheEchidna> lol
[01:49] <rgreening> I put everything in so I don't miss something if I have to start over for some reason
[01:49] <rgreening> mayhap I'll shorten network
[01:49] <rgreening> heh
[02:05]  * astromme hugs nixternal. There, now he has his hug :)
[02:14]  * JontheEchidna testbuilds accessibility for a list-missing run
[02:30] <nixternal> ryanakca: I was just supposed to add that header stuff right?
[02:30] <ryanakca> nixternal: and a blob at the bottom of <body>
[02:30] <ryanakca> nixternal: http://pastebin.ca/1412859
[02:31] <nixternal> right...ya, I still need to do that, though I will probably just do a manual copy/paste on it, with what I have in the repos already
[02:31] <ryanakca> nixternal: Woah, how long would that take you, half an hour?
[02:32] <nixternal> probably not even that long
[02:32] <nixternal> well ya, probably that long
[02:32] <nixternal> it would take just as long to write up a script to do the same thing
[02:33] <ryanakca> *nod*, but writing a script is way more fun :) Anyways, no rush anymore I guess, it'll probably take half a year to get it reviewed by the sysadmins once we get it done anyways
[02:33] <nixternal> lol
[03:31]  * ScottK wields photorec (again) to save his wife's photos.
[03:34] <dasKreech> Ha ha What she have?
[03:45] <ScottK> In this case an SD Card that an app promised to move the pics off of.
[03:46] <ScottK> Said app did the remove pics from the SD Card part fine.  The make them appear on her hard drive part, not so much
[03:55] <dasKreech> Ow
[04:08] <ScottK> In any case recphoto gets my cold dead fingers award.
[04:09] <dasKreech> Seems like a specific kinda tool
[04:18] <ScottK> It is and if you have that particular problem it's a very easy, very good tool to get it done.
[04:19] <ScottK> This is the third time in the last two months (that SD Card is now headed for the trash).
[04:22] <dasKreech> Ha ha ha
[04:22] <dasKreech> but didn't it remove correctly?
[04:22] <dasKreech>  Sounds like the Hard drive is the culprit framingi t
[04:22] <dasKreech> framing it
[04:24] <ScottK> This was the only time it was during a move.  The other times they just 'vanished' without even being in the computer.
[04:26] <dasKreech> ugh
[04:31] <ScottK> Yep.  Thus the trash can plan.
[04:32] <dasKreech> Yeah
[07:42] <Mamarok> dasKreech: pong
[07:53] <dasKreech> Hi Mamarok how are you?
[07:55] <Mamarok> hi dasKreech
[07:55] <Mamarok> fine, and you?
[07:55] <dasKreech> Not bad I'm sneezing like crazy
[07:55] <Mamarok> hay fever?
[07:59] <dasKreech> Don't know
[07:59] <dasKreech> It's been raining so I guess it's triggering something
[08:00] <dasKreech> I was asking you what the size of your $KDEHOME nepomuk directory was
[08:00] <Mamarok> hm, not hay fever then, that calms down when it's raining
[08:01] <Mamarok> the store size is 8 Gb now
[08:01] <Mamarok> but still indexing
[08:01] <dasKreech> ok that's 500 GB of data right?
[08:02] <Mamarok> roughly, yes
[08:02] <Mamarok> I excluded the / folders ecept for /etc and /var
[08:03] <Mamarok> I have years of mail in kmail, that for sure is a lot of stuff to index
[08:03] <Mamarok> all my university stuff, ptofessionnal school teacher stuff of 18 years and my music collection
[08:03] <Mamarok> but it runs nicely in the background
[08:03] <dasKreech> ok
[08:03] <dasKreech> Hmm
[08:04] <dasKreech>  my firend was indexing 550 MB and eneded up with about a 4GB database
[08:04] <dasKreech> friend
[08:04] <Mamarok> I think it depends on the amont of files
[08:04] <Mamarok> if it's 500 Gb with mostly movies, that will not make a big index necessarily
[08:05] <Mamarok> and the amount of tags, where my music collection brings a lot of data too
[08:05] <Mamarok> mostly classical, fully tagged
[08:05] <dasKreech> With composers?
[08:06] <Mamarok> of course :)
[08:06] <dasKreech> Least used slot on music metadata
[08:06] <Mamarok> oh, I use it extensively
[08:06] <Mamarok> my main search criteria in the collection, besides the artist
[08:23] <dasKreech> I miss my hard drive :(
[08:24] <a|wen> you lost your HDD?
[08:27]  * a|wen misses having a larger hard drive ... the last 20Gb did make a difference
[08:28]  * Mamarok has an external HDD for storing, very useful
[08:32] <a|wen> heh, my 160 gig external drive is also very important for making the space calculation come out positive
[08:45] <dasKreech> Yep
[08:45] <dasKreech> 230 GB of data gone
[08:45] <dasKreech>  like 100 GB of MUsic
[08:47] <a|wen> that is pretty sad ... and the backup was not as good as you could wish...?
[08:50] <Riddell> morning
[08:50] <dasKreech> The backup died two days after
[08:50] <a|wen> morning Riddell
[08:51] <a|wen> dasKreech: urgh ... no fun
[08:51] <dasKreech> Tell me about it
[08:51] <dasKreech> I'm on a 4 GB drive now running GNome
[08:52] <a|wen> oh my, then it is indeed bad
[08:53] <dasKreech> Yep
[08:54] <a|wen> i have been jumping back to dapper on an old lappy ~ a year ago ... but still not as bad as that :P
[09:05] <Riddell> bother, kdelibs-experiminetal still hasn't compiled
[09:07] <dasKreech> taking long or there are problems?
[09:08] <Riddell> just taking ages
[09:08] <dasKreech> How fast is the computer?
[09:08] <Riddell> it's the buildds, just means they're building other stuff
[09:09] <Riddell> new queue hsa exploded from 450 items to 1200 items so they've been busy overnight
[09:09] <dasKreech> You would think with all the back and forth between Canonical and Amazon they would have a cloud build machine
[09:09] <dasKreech> Where are you in the Queue?
[09:11] <Riddell> no idea
[09:14] <dasKreech> Riddell: What would you include on the Cd for a better first time boot experience if you could ?
[09:16] <Riddell> dunno, we have most of what I want
[09:17] <Riddell> I usually install krita at some point
[09:29] <yao_ziyuan> my update-notifier-kde is using 45% CPU and 73MB memory and is not notifying me of new updates (while there are updates)!
[10:08] <Nightrose> users are starting to ask for amarok 2.1 beta 2 packages for kubuntu :/
[10:08] <Nightrose> any news on that?
[10:30] <Riddell> a|wen: how's n-m-plasmoid doing?  I havn't looked at it recently I'm afraid but we should get it into backports at least
[10:30] <freinhard> which was the command that built a package in a chroot installing all needed build-depends there and not on my system?
[10:30] <Riddell> Nightrose: was someone tasked to do it?  did I see JontheEchidna was looking at it?
[10:30] <Riddell> freinhard: pbuilder ?
[10:31] <Riddell> freinhard: pbuilder for a non interactive chroot (sudo pbuilder create; sudo pbuilder build foo.dsc)
[10:31] <Riddell> debootstrap for a chroot you can use yourself (debootstrap karmic my-karmic-chroot; chroot my-karmic-chroot; do whatever you like)
[10:31] <freinhard> Riddell: tried that yesterda, but can't remember why it didn't work. i gues it was just to late ;)
[10:32] <freinhard> or maybe i missed some errors. (no idea how to scroll back on a virtualbox commandline)
[10:36] <Nightrose> Riddell: yes he tried to package it but it crashed on startup due to a mysql problem
[10:36] <Nightrose> Riddell: nw-applet worked ok for me on two wired connections and one wireless unencrypted one
[10:36] <Nightrose> only problem: you can't disconnect
[10:36] <Nightrose> it automatically reconnects
[10:37] <Nightrose> known bug
[10:38] <freeflying> firephoto: you may try mk-sbuild-lv
[11:54] <a|wen> Riddell: seems mor than good; not muvh feedback, but what i got was very positive
[11:55] <a|wen> Riddell: both wpa2 as well as hidden networks was fixed ... dunno how many have tested it, but nobody has complayned
[11:56] <Wiskeybottel_> ola
[11:57] <Wiskeybottel_> hey somewhere her
[11:57] <Wiskeybottel_> mhhhh ok so i look in a other one
[12:06] <Riddell> a|wen: that shoulds good
[12:06] <Riddell> ?
[12:06] <Riddell> a|wen: that sounds good
[12:07] <a|wen> Riddell: indeed it does ... i'm inclined to go for -proposed, but don't know if anyone else wants to give it a test as well (or already have, just without telling)
[12:08] <Riddell> a|wen: also i haven't been able to recreate that problem I had the first time I tried it
[12:08] <Riddell> the multiple repeated access points one
[12:09] <a|wen> okay, hard to know if it was the applet, or n-m itselv playing a game with us; but at least it doesn't look to be a common problem
[12:10] <fregl> networkmanager is still in a very rough state - resizing problems, sometimes connections are added more than once to the kcm, hidden is only fixed to sometimes work but not reliably...
[12:11] <a|wen> fregl: anything that has become worse compared to the version released with jaunty
[12:12] <fregl> a|wen: no, since then it should have improved :)
[12:13] <a|wen> fregl: we have a version op for test in the experimental PPA, and we are talking about improvements in that version ... go test, if you have time :)
[12:13] <fregl> a few minor bugs have been fixed, and having hidden work sometimes is better than not at all ;)
[12:14] <fregl> a|wen:  I'm running the trunk version, but I'd be interested in nm-plasma feedback
[12:15] <a|wen> fregl: ahh :) ... yeah; especially wpa2 + hidden is interesting
[12:15] <fregl> so it's good to hear that it has improved in your opinion :)
[12:15] <fregl> I'll have to set up a wpa2 here, just got a router that can handle it a few days ago... wish I had more time
[12:16] <a|wen> heh, personally my only computer with the plasmoid on is working as a stationary ... so can't test it much
[12:16] <a|wen> but vpn doesn't seem to work, which is my sole use-case atm.
[12:17] <fregl> I have no clue about vpn at all - my goal is to first get wifi into an acceptable state
[12:17] <fregl> but Will probably could tell you more about vpn
[12:17] <fregl> I don't even know if it should work
[12:18] <a|wen> fregl: all fields on the option page is disabled ... and there is no way of enabling them; so i guess not ;)
[12:18] <fregl> hehe
[12:19] <a|wen> Riddell: but what do you think; should we give it a try? ... have you tested the newest version yourself, btw?
[12:20] <fregl> a|wen: have you tried in the kcm? manage connections would let me add a vpn and fill out the details
[12:20]  * sebas would be surprised if a current snapshot is worse than the one in jaunty
[12:20] <sebas> We've focused exclusively on making it work, and quite some nasty important cases have been fixed
[12:21] <fregl> moin sebas
[12:21] <a|wen> fregl: also under "optional information"?
[12:21] <sebas> hey fregl
[12:21] <a|wen> hi sebas ... it does indeed look good, according to those that i've heard from
[12:22] <fregl> yes, but it's still a moving target, I would not want to rely on the applet at this point
[12:22]  * sebas agrees with fregl there, it's clearly not done
[12:22] <fregl> a|wen: oh, some combo boxes and lineedits are disabled
[12:22] <a|wen> fregl: well, tha case i investigates is "do you want to rely on the applet as of a week ago, or as it was in march"
[12:23] <a|wen> fregl: exactly ;) ... and they seem utterly important to those that want to use vpn, he
[12:24] <fregl> a|wen: I agree with both ;)
[12:24] <a|wen> :)
 fregl: openvpn works, vpnc needs more work
[12:25] <a|wen> that is 50% :)
[12:26]  * a|wen ponders making everything ready for uploading current snapshot to proposed tonight ... and then having off
[12:26] <a|wen> 2½ weeks of holidays coming up :)
[12:26] <seele> ~twitter update COFFEE
[12:26] <kubotu> status updated
[12:28] <a|wen> seele: thanks ... i suppose it was for us :)
[12:29] <seele> ~order coffee a|wen
[12:29]  * kubotu slides coffee a|wen down the bar to seele
[12:29] <seele> ack
[12:29] <seele> ~order help
[12:29]  * kubotu slides help down the bar to seele
[12:30]  * seele sighs
[12:30] <a|wen> thx ... i'm still on my first cup for today; way behind
[12:30] <a|wen> ~help order
[12:30] <kubotu> You may also have a look at 'help order goods/machines/replies' ... Placing an order is actually easy as hell. 'order GOOD' => GOOD gets slid down the bar. 'order GOOD for NICK' => GOOD get slid down the bar to NICK. 'order GOOD for everyone' => everyone gets GOOD (in case the good is finite it will end as you place this order). 'order birthday package' => in case you want to make a special birthday present ;-)
[12:30] <seele> ah hah
[12:30] <a|wen> ~order extra coffee for seele
[12:30]  * kubotu slides extra coffee down the bar to seele
[12:31] <a|wen> :)
[12:31] <Riddell> a|wen: is there a bug we're using to track plasmoid-n-m brokenness?
[12:32] <a|wen> Riddell: no bug yet ... we could grab one about hidden networks or wpa2 and hijack that one; or make a new
[12:33] <Riddell> mm, I'm not sure what's best, I'll ask pitti anyway
[12:33] <a|wen> Riddell: the tracking was supposed to be done here: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/PlasmaWidgetNetworkManager/0.0+svn966653-0ubuntu1~ppa1 ... Lure gave positive results, but haven't reported yet, i can see
[12:35] <a|wen> Riddell: i'll remove the temporary modifications (making a -dbg package for useful stacktraces) from that one and upload a clean source for someone to take over
[12:42] <fregl> interesting page :) I'd suggest changing the "Broken" column to "Works" - confused me quite a bit
[12:44] <a|wen> fregl: it is a test if people are awake while testing :P ... and in any case i'll just blame (eh, credit) everything on apachelogger ;)
[12:44] <fregl> hehe
[12:44] <fregl> seems like Nightrose didn't spot that either...
[12:45] <Nightrose> ?
[12:45]  * fregl give Nightrose a cookie
[12:45] <Nightrose> broken -> No = works fine
[12:45] <Nightrose> ;-)
[12:45]  * Nightrose munches the cookie
[12:45] <fregl> yeah, but quite a bit of math to do there ;) too hard for my simple mind
[12:45] <Nightrose> how am i supposed to read it?
[12:45] <Nightrose> haha
[12:45] <Nightrose> ok
[12:45] <a|wen> Nightrose: you are completely right :)
[12:45]  * Nightrose pats fregl
[12:46]  * a|wen gives fregl a cookie
[12:46] <fregl> :D
[12:46] <fregl> food :)
[12:47]  * a|wen is leaving for dinner in 5 minutes :)
[12:48] <Nightrose> fregl: yay! going to see star trek on tuesday with Frank and Bati \o/
[12:48] <fregl> hehe
[12:48] <fregl> Nightrose: good! in English?
[12:49] <Nightrose> don't think so
[12:56] <fregl> a|wen: are you using openvpn or vpnc?
[13:01] <Quintasan> hiho
[13:07] <Riddell> a|wen: pitti seems ok to getting p-w-n-m into -proposed so let me know when you have something that's good to upload
[13:25] <Riddell> Hobbsee's awake!
[13:25] <Sput> Nightrose: you should go see it in english
[13:26] <Sput> Nightrose: it's being shown in the Schauburg
[13:26] <Riddell> Hobbsee: could you up the build priority of kdelibs-experimental on amd64, it hasn't compiled overnight and it's blocking everything KDEish
[13:26] <Hobbsee> Riddell: indeed!
[13:26] <Hobbsee> Riddell: it being 10.26pm my time, this is quite likely
[13:26] <Hobbsee> Riddell: jaunty, i assume?
[13:27] <Hobbsee> hrm, not jaunty
[13:27] <Riddell> karmic
[13:27] <Hobbsee> i'm a release behind - this is terrible!
[13:28] <Hobbsee> Riddell: estimated start:  1 minute
[13:30] <ScottK> New plan ....
[13:30] <ScottK> We're going to upload KDE 4.2.3 to jaunty-backports for now.
[13:31] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: Did we ever get the RSS plasma thing regression sorted out?
[13:34] <JontheEchidna> Not that I'm aware of.
[13:35] <ScottK> Well that makes 4.2.3 unsuitable for -updates in any case.
[13:37] <JontheEchidna> One user said downgrading to Qt 4.5.0 fixed it, but it was originally reported by a Qt 4.5.0 user
[13:46] <ScottK> Then we'd need to get that sort for sure before we could do -updates.
[15:57] <mickru> hi, I try to profile an application requiring root access with valgrind
[15:58] <mickru> I open a root shell with sudo su, then run my app with: valgrind --tool=callgrind <myapp>
[15:59] <mickru> when the app terminates, I get the error that profiling data could not be writen to the file. The file is then empty.
[15:59] <mickru> any idea?
[15:59] <mickru> is it possible to profile app's with root rights this way?
[16:08] <quassel208> how is status on kde4.3 beta for kubuntu ?
[16:11] <ScottK> "In progress"
[16:58] <JontheEchidna> Could somebody bump the build score of kdelibs-experimental in: https://edge.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ppa/+archive/experimental please?
[16:58] <JontheEchidna> Hobbsee, NCommander^?
[18:57] <Riddell> sebas: we're roomies!
[19:35] <a|wen> Riddell: ping
[19:36] <seele> hmm.. anyone else have time remaining reported twice in the PM widget?
[19:38] <a|wen> ahh, he is not there ... one should complete backlog reading before speaking
[19:38] <Riddell> hi a|wen
[19:39] <a|wen> Riddell: :)
[19:39] <Riddell> quick quick I'm about to go
[19:39] <a|wen> we want the new snapshot in karmic first; or it should be good?
[19:39] <Riddell> snapshot of what?  in karmic first before what?
[19:40] <a|wen> n-m plasma
[19:40] <ScottK> Riddell: jaunty-proposed
[19:40] <Riddell> both really
[19:40] <ScottK> a|wen: I can sponsor it to Karmic
[19:41] <a|wen> ScottK: cool ... and getting it into jaunty-proposed?
[19:42] <ScottK> First things first.
[19:42] <ScottK> For Jaunty proposed we need to make sure you have a good bug with a proper test case.
[19:43] <ScottK> Really off to schlep kids now ...
[19:53] <a|wen> we have "make any wpa2 network work", and "connect to network with hidden SSID"
[19:56] <a|wen> was anybody in the process of packaging amarok 2.1 beta2 ?
[19:56] <a|wen> JontheEchidna: ? ^^
[19:56] <JontheEchidna> never got it to work
[19:56] <JontheEchidna> what I have is in my ppa if anyone want to take a shot at it
[19:57] <a|wen> okay ... leaving for 3 weeks in a matter of hours, so no volunteering here
[19:57] <a|wen> but https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=184714 has been fixed ... might be worth getting into jaunty as well
[19:58] <a|wen> JontheEchidna: :)
[20:07] <sebas> Riddell: ah, very cool :)
[20:07] <sebas> cuddling and stuff!
[20:09] <_Sime> yeek!
[20:11]  * sebas is afk again
[20:55] <lukefeil> JontheEchidna: hi
[20:55] <lukefeil> JontheEchidna: kümmerst du dich um die das repo-paket "qt-creator" unter jaunty?
[20:56] <ScottK> lukefeil: In English please.
[20:56] <JontheEchidna> sorry, I don't speak German :(
[20:56] <lukefeil> JontheEchidna: ok
[20:57] <lukefeil> JontheEchidna: do you manage the package "qt-creator" for jaunty?
[20:57] <JontheEchidna> I don't think I've done any work with that package, but you may be thinking of Jonathan Riddell
[20:58] <ScottK> Who is offline for the next week.
[20:58] <lukefeil> oh
[20:59] <lukefeil> the dependencies are defect
[20:59] <lukefeil> from the package qt-creator
[21:01] <JontheEchidna> in what way?
[21:01] <ScottK> lukefeil: Where did you get this package?  From a PPA?
[21:01]  * a|wen raises his hand and looks at ScottK
[21:02] <ScottK> a|wen: Yes?
[21:02] <a|wen> offline for the next week
[21:03] <ScottK> OK
[21:03] <lukefeil> ScottK: i don't know the source but i have no PP in my sources.list
[21:03] <lukefeil> *PPA
[21:03] <ScottK> lukefeil: OK.  What is the problem?
[21:03] <ScottK> a|wen: What do you need uploaded?
[21:03] <a|wen> ScottK: http://awen.dk/packages/pwnm/ <-- package for karmic; and an equivalent for jaunty-proposed
[21:03]  * ScottK looks
[21:04] <lukefeil> ScottK: in the dependencies for the qt-creator are'nt the libqt4-cor libqt4-dev qt4-designer,...
[21:05] <lukefeil> ScottK: after the installation he said that i've no qmake
[21:05] <lukefeil> ScottK: i installed these packages bye myself
[21:05] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: Do you know anything about qt-creator?
[21:05] <ScottK> lukefeil: Then it worked?
[21:06] <lukefeil> ScottK: after i installed qt4 yes
[21:07] <JontheEchidna> The dependencies look ok for me: http://paste.ubuntu.com/173223/
[21:07] <ScottK> a|wen: Minor point: That's backports versioning for SRU ubuntu1.1 would be preferred.  I'll fix it.
[21:07] <a|wen> ScottK: if you change it to ubuntu0.1 then okay
[21:08] <xisde> hi... today i've installed karmic into my desktop and after apt-get update & upgrade, my kde is broken. the taskbar, wallpaper, menus... what happened? sorry for my poor english.
[21:08] <ScottK> Right 0.1
[21:08] <JontheEchidna> xisde: you installed alpha software is what happened
[21:08] <JontheEchidna> in the middle of a KDE upgrade
[21:08] <seele> ScottK: i would call alpha 0.0.1 :)
[21:08] <a|wen> ScottK: i know ... after our backport-versioning in -proposed for kde it's not always easy to be sure
[21:08] <ScottK> xisde: We are currently in the middle of updating from KDE 4.2 to 4.3beta.  It being broken is no suprised.
[21:09] <ScottK> a|wen: It's not a hard rule.
[21:09] <a|wen> i thought so ;) ... you just choose the one you like the most
[21:09] <xisde> uhh... ok... thanks ^^ i'm trying to contribute to ubuntu/kubuntu.
[21:10] <ScottK> xisde: Karmic is likely to be broken off and on several times before release.  It isn't essential to be running the development release to contribute.
[21:10]  * ScottK isn't.
[21:10]  * JontheEchidna isn't running karmic yet either
[21:10] <ScottK> a|wen: 330811 needs a test case.
[21:12] <xisde> in the jaunty alpha 5, 6 and beta, i've reported bugs in ubuntu, now i try to report bugs... i think so it's a way to contribute to developers.
[21:12]  * a|wen looks at test-casing
[21:13] <ScottK> a|wen: 334052 too (one test case in one of the bugs for both bugs and a cross reference is preferred)
[21:13] <a|wen> ScottK: haven't gotten to that yet ... i'm desperately trying to get my packing done in time as well :)
[21:13] <ScottK> OK.
[21:19] <a|wen> ScottK: 330811 updated
[21:32] <ScottK> a|wen: Karmic uploaded.  Looking at Jaunty now.
[21:33] <a|wen> thx a lot
[22:01] <ScottK> a|wen: NM widget heaved at Jaunty too.
[22:01] <ScottK> I also installed it and it works here.
[22:01] <a|wen> great :)
[22:01] <a|wen> I kind of count on the rest of you looking into testing it ;)
[22:02] <ScottK> One of those days I'm glad I'm at home and not on hotel internet.  I just uploaded something with -sa by accident and the tarball is 8Mb.  Faster to just let it go than stop it and retry
[22:06] <a|wen> he ... looking forward to getting back to some decent internet as well
[22:10] <xisde> in brazil i have a 300kbps network link... so slow... =/
[22:11] <a|wen> xisde: 256kbps here...
[22:12] <xisde> a|wen: o.o
[22:13] <xisde> a|wen: brazilian?
[22:13] <a|wen> xisde: danish ... but currently located in thailand
[22:22]  * a|wen waves to everyone ... see you all in ~3 weeks
[22:31] <nixternal> jeesh, waiting for Linux.com to fix my articles link already