[00:21] <dazjorz> BUGabundo: btw, right speaker problems resolved
[00:21] <dazjorz> sound is still broken in unimaginable ways, but sometimes it works :)
[00:22] <BUGabundo> dazjorz: I don't have a speaker prob
[00:22] <dazjorz> I did
[00:22] <dazjorz> I had the problem where only my left speaker would work :P
[00:22] <BUGabundo> it wasn't me
[00:22] <BUGabundo> mine works on both speakers
[00:22] <dazjorz> we talked about it
[00:22] <dazjorz> and mine works on both speakers now, if it works
[00:22] <dazjorz> for example: playing sound using vlc, doesn't work at all
[00:28] <wirechief> dazjorz drchen is on the #alsa channel perhaps he might be able to help you
[00:28] <dazjorz> wirechief: I don't know if it's an alsa issue
[00:29] <dazjorz> I don't know at all where the issue is :P
[00:29] <BUGabundo> I miss not having dtchen in here...
[00:29] <BUGabundo> let me poke him
[00:29] <wirechief> dazjorz: i know, sounds like maybe pulseaudio but he would be a good resource
[00:30] <wirechief> dazjorz: have you run a alsa info report ? helps a little for checking settings.
[00:30] <wirechief> dazjorz and of course a before and after would be best ;) but most of us dont have that.
[00:31] <dazjorz> the problem I'm currently having is: when I run vlc, sound is all messed up
[00:31] <dazjorz> as in
[00:31] <dazjorz> it plays on both speakers, but (hard to explain) it only makes some scratchy ticks, instead of the real sound
[00:31] <wirechief> dazjorz: you lost your sound in that recent du , right ?
[00:31] <dazjorz> vlc repeatedly outputs: [00000460] alsa audio output error: cannot write: Broken pipe
[00:32] <dazjorz> wirechief: du?
[00:32] <BUGabundo> dazjorz: see the audio bug for crackling sound
[00:32] <BUGabundo> and try the work around
[00:32] <dazjorz> it's not crackling sound, I have had that too, BUGabundo
[00:32] <wirechief> dazjorz: the dist-upgrade
[00:32] <dazjorz> this is different, this is scratchy, and it does the same with esd which didn't have the crackling sound
[00:32] <dazjorz> wirechief: I have had all kinds of weird sound problems since I upgraded to karmic, yeah
[00:35] <wirechief>  dazjorz   https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/345627
[00:36] <dazjorz> wirechief: it sounds different, though
[00:36]  * dazjorz checks again using systemsettings
[00:36] <wirechief> dazjorz: ok well its more related to sound issues in FF
[00:36] <dazjorz> the sound I hear is nothing like the real sound, where the crackling noises would be
[00:37] <BUGabundo> dazjorz: kde?
[00:43] <dazjorz> BUGabundo: yep
[00:43] <BUGabundo> ahh
[00:43] <BUGabundo> so no PulseAudio for you
[02:24] <poseidon> Is there any speculation on whether ext4 is going to make it to default on Karmic?
[02:36] <DanaG> I wanna' know about radeon KMS in Karmic, myself.  =þ
[03:16] <thompa> I am running Alpha and intel 945 is working on vaios
[03:17] <thompa> the test is window key and E
[03:17] <thompa> as good as nvidia here
[03:18] <thompa> with compiz. kernel 2.6.30 rc5 i think
[03:48] <DanaG> why does Virtualbox hang on trying to install guest additions?  Note that it hangs on trying to install... not on trying to load.
[03:48] <DanaG> More specifically, it hangs and spits out tons of {DRDY} (ATA timeout, I assume) errors, and shows the CD Drive activity lit solid.
[03:51] <Sarvatt> tried copying the .run to your hdd and installling it from there?
[03:53] <DanaG> oh, actually, the thing giving DRDY is the raw-disk target drive.
[03:54] <DanaG> oh yeah, host is Jaunty 64-bit; guest is Karmic 32-bit.
[03:54] <DanaG> oh, I see.. it was the HDD icon, not the CD icon.
[03:55] <Sarvatt> maybe its a problem with virtualbox on 2.6.30, might want to check their forums
[03:59] <DanaG> great, and it corrupted the ext4 partition a bit.
[03:59] <DanaG> It seems it can't handle raw-disk with virtual SATA .
[04:14] <DanaG> hmm, attaching to ICH6 worked.
[05:00] <DanaG> argh, damnit, how do I kill my VM's X server now?
[05:00] <DanaG> =þ
[05:08] <DanaG> failed to load module "freetype" -- file does not exist.
[05:10] <lamalex> anyone know the status of grub2 in karmic or in general?
[05:10] <lamalex> are we ever going to be able to boot from lvm
[05:10] <DanaG> ah, red herring.
[05:10] <lamalex> :)
[05:11] <lamalex> i would really like to do a clean install on this pc when karmic is released, but it would be nice if I didnt have to do all kinds of partitioning to get my disks the way i want, one giant lvm root partition would be so nice
[05:18] <lamalex> DanaG: think the foundations team will at least talk about it at UDS?
[05:19] <lamalex> or is it one of those topics no one brings up, just because it's futile
[05:19] <lamalex> hey DBO
[05:19] <DBO> hey
[05:24] <DanaG> which was the "it"?
[05:24] <DanaG> the KMS?
[05:24] <DanaG> oh yeah, and last time I tried Plymouth, even on an actual Fedora install with working KMS... Plymouth refused to do anything but load details.so.
[05:24] <DanaG> So, no fancy splash.  :(
[05:26] <lamalex> huh?
[05:26] <lamalex> are you talking to me?
[05:26] <DanaG> yeah.
[05:26] <lamalex> i was asking about grub2...
[05:26] <lamalex> i dont know where you got kms
[05:26] <DanaG> I was mentioning KMS earlier.
[05:27] <DanaG> (09:18:54 PM) lamalex: DanaG: think the foundations team will at least talk about it at UDS?
[05:27] <DanaG> I was assuming you were talking about something I had mentioned.
[05:27] <lamalex> no, it was about grub2, didn't you reply to "00:10 < lamalex> anyone know the status of grub2 in karmic or in general?
[05:27] <lamalex> with "00:10 < DanaG> ah, red herring."
[05:32] <DanaG> I was mentioning the missing module being a red herring.
[05:32] <DanaG> "red herring" is, for example, an error message that doesn't actually have anything to do with the issue you're having.
[05:34] <lamalex> what missing module
[05:34] <lamalex> i really have no idea what you're talking about
[05:34] <DanaG> My own issue.
[05:34] <DanaG> Virtualbox issue.
[05:34] <lamalex> so rather, you were not talking to me
[05:36]  * ienorand muses: Dear oh dear/in many a year/the gnomes have worked and toilt/but yet to see/for you or me/a dektop can order your icons unspoilt.
[05:37] <DanaG> Or my danged PANEL applets.
[05:37] <DanaG> If the Gnome devs made door locks.... you'd leave your house locked in the morning... and in the evening, you'd come back to find the door on the OTHER SIDE of the house..... still locked.
[05:43] <ienorand> And the door-lock company: "Yea, it's a slight problem and we're aware of it... But hey look!" *waves plans for a new house with round doors and voice recognition* "
[05:58] <DanaG> ugh, why is Screen starting 4 tabs every time I open it?
[10:19] <ccooke> Hmm. What's the most common workstation-class VM software on Ubuntu?
[10:20] <ccooke> I've seen a lot of chatter about VirtualBox,...
[10:35] <Twigathy> VirtualBox is nice :)
[10:42] <zniavre> hello
[10:43] <zniavre> i can't install 173.xx.xx nvidia driver but 180 seems to be able
[10:43] <zniavre> is it known and workarounded ?
[11:55] <polarbear> hello. i've upgraded to jaunty, and in doing so lost all access to mouse and keyboard in X. I edited xorg.conf and uncommented the parts relating to mouse and keyboard, no joy. So I updated to Karmic. Still no dice. Any hints? :)
[11:55] <bazhang> #ubuntu for jaunty support polarbear
[11:56] <polarbear> bazhang, You'll notice I mentioned karmic, which I'm now running. :)
[11:57] <bazhang> polarbear, sorry, misread
[11:57] <polarbear> So I think I qualify for help _here_, no? :)
[11:58] <bazhang> well what passes for help as it is just alpha one iirc
[12:10] <gnomefreak> polarbear: now here is a suggestion: never upgrade to a pre-release to fix bugs in a stable release. that is backwards thinking. i suggest you either deal with it or reinstall Jaunty, i would reinstall jaunty
[12:28] <polarbear> gnomefreak, That wasn't _quite_ my thinking.
[12:28] <gnomefreak> polarbear: ?
[12:29] <gnomefreak> polarbear: the part "it didnt work so i upgraded to karmic" (not exact words) tells me that is what you did
[12:30] <polarbear> Upgrading to Karmic wasn't specifically intended to fix my mouse/keyboard issues. For one thing.
[12:30] <polarbear> Sure, it would have been nice to have it fixed, but I had other interests beyond just fixing broken stuff.
[12:31] <gnomefreak> polarbear: than why did you do it? you also stated after upgrade it still wasnt fixed
[12:31] <gnomefreak> polarbear: ah i see
[12:31] <polarbear> Why? Because I've got Karmic on a few machines here and felt the time was right to upgrade that one.
[12:31] <gnomefreak> s/karmic/jaunty
[12:31] <gnomefreak> :)
[12:32] <polarbear> No, no, Karmic :)
[12:32] <polarbear> I guess you might call me an early adoper *smile*
[12:32] <polarbear> *adopter
[12:32] <gnomefreak> polarbear: you said " you have a few machines on karmic so you thought to upgrade one. that should be jaunty and upgraded one to karmic
[12:34]  * gnomefreak smoke than ack to work this time
[12:37] <dazjorz> polarbear: try dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[12:41] <gnomefreak> s/ack/back
[12:42] <gnomefreak> was mvo here earlier?
[12:44] <maxb> Oh, did anyone else get error popups regarding ORBit whenever debconf prompts triggered during the upgrade to Karmic?
[12:46] <yacc> Karmic-netbook-remix.img does not boot on my Acer One :(
[12:48] <yacc> I've selected USB floppy emulation for booting, and it just does not boot.
[12:51] <gnomefreak> yacc: on jaunty?
[12:54] <polarbear> dazjorz, Thanks, will try that (again).
[12:58] <yacc> gnomefreak, nope, I'm booting it on an Acer One with the Fedora bastard linux on it.
[12:59] <yacc> oops, worked this time :)
[12:59] <yacc> Albeit the fun ended with "(initramfs)" :(
[13:00]  * gnomefreak confused. your booting to fedora or jaunty?
[13:00] <yacc> karmic.
[13:00] <gnomefreak> oh ok
[14:11] <cwillu> 10 minutes until my laptop starts breaking, fun fun :)
[14:13] <yacc_> So what could karmic (netbook remix) cause to fall into the initramfs shell?
[14:26] <digitaloktay> tach people
[14:49] <yacc_> Help, karmic live system gives me only an (initramfs) prompt :(
[14:51]  * Blues-Man ciao
[14:52] <wirechief> yacc_ well at least it boots ? my last attempt the image would not boot for me
[14:53] <wirechief> yacc_ what date for the karmic image for remix ?
[14:58] <wirechief> yacc_: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/usb-imagewriter/+bug/375075
[15:01] <yacc_> wirechief, today's img, but the wiki seems to mention that it's broken anyway, so I'll try 9.04 for the time.
[15:02] <wirechief> yacc_: ah, ok. i just checked and saw there was a new image of 05-15-09
[15:03] <wirechief> yacc_: the image of the 05-05-09 just would not boot
[15:03] <yacc_> wirechief, one wonders, and as it's not my Acer One, I have to be very cautious ;)
[15:04] <wirechief> yacc_: is this issue you are seeing on a Acer One Aspire ? (booting to initramfs)
[15:04] <yacc_> wirechief, yep.
[15:05] <wirechief> yacc_ ok, well i have two of them, but have not tried the current image, did you file a bug report on this ?
[15:05] <yacc_> wirechief, I checked the hardware page, and decided that the number of defects is low enough that getting rid of that Fedora bastard is a feasible idea.
[15:05] <yacc_> wirechief, if you read the small print on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UNR#Downloading the Image, it's already known.
[15:08] <wirechief> yacc_ did you use the imagewriter to make your stick ?
[15:08] <yacc_> yeah. The curious thing is that dd the img did not work at all, ...
[15:09] <wirechief> yacc_: well i suspect the dd of the img fails to make a mbr and could be responsible for not booting at all.
[15:10] <yacc> well, the img does not have MBR.
[15:10] <yacc> wirechief, when I take the stick written by imagewriter, it has no partition table on it, it's a "Floppy emulating" USB stick.
[15:11] <yacc> wirechief, having partition tables is called "harddisc emulation" or so by the Acer One ;)
[15:13] <yacc> anyway, perhaps the dd did not sync it completely (it should I think), but even then it should at least have paniced after the Linux kernel starts to boot.
[15:14] <fenn_> having problems with apt-get dist-upgrade
[15:15] <fenn_> Stuck with intrepid and trying to get to jackalope
[15:16] <wirechief> yacc looks like the apt-cache policy usb-imagewriter  shows the same version i used so nothing has changed with it yet.
[15:16] <yacc> wirechief, we'll see how well Jaunty works, that should be fine for my wife too, ...
[15:16] <yacc> If it works at all :)
[15:17] <wirechief> yacc: i would think something is wrong with the syslinux.cfg not telling it where to find init, as to your going into a busybox
[15:18] <yofel> fenn_: if you're trying to upgrade to 9.04 then you're in the wrong channel. This channel is for Karmic Koala - 9.10. You should ask in #ubuntu
[15:18] <wirechief> yacc good idea, i haven't tried it with jaunty.
[15:18] <yacc> wirechief, I want a sensible DSL, *whine* ;)
[15:19] <yacc> it's absolutely unreasonable to wait longer than 10 minutes for a OS image ;)
[15:21] <fenn_> yofel: this was a jackalope channel last time I was here... guess I am behind the times.
[15:22] <yacc> jackalope would be which release?
[15:22] <yacc> karmic == 9.10
[15:22] <yofel> fenn_: jaunty was released 3 weeks ago :P
[15:22] <yacc> intrepid 8.10
[15:22] <yacc> jaunty == 9.04?
[15:22] <yofel> yacc: yes, jaunty = 9.04
[15:22] <fenn_> can anyone here give me pointers on troubleshooting apt-get dist-upgrade... I am starting a strace now
[15:22] <yacc> jackalope is what then?
[15:23] <Pici> fenn_: This channel is not for 9.04 support. That is what #ubuntu is for.
[15:23] <Pici> !jaunty | yacc
[15:23] <yacc> Pici, thx.
[15:28] <fenn_> yofel: in know.  Can I help it id I have ADHD
[17:05] <ienorand> Anyone know of issues with lates kernel upgrade and nvidia? (*-5) I though I heard something before...
[17:41] <lamalex> Anyone know about packagekit in 9.10? I can't find a blueprint or talk on the uds schedule
[19:04] <BUGabundo> ola peeps
[19:19] <dazjorz> BUGabundo: on the sound problems: now completely fixed :)
[19:19] <dazjorz> I esound from source and installed the resulting package, had no problems after that
[19:19] <thiebaude> :)
[19:20] <BUGabundo> dazjorz: great
[19:20] <BUGabundo> let me check for updates
[19:20] <mrwes> BUGabundo, !
[19:22] <thiebaude> mrwes:
[19:23] <BUGabundo> mrwes:  thiebaude: hey
[19:23] <thiebaude> hi BUGabundo
[19:26] <mrwes> so...how's the alpha doing these days? Virtualbox ready?
[19:27] <mrwes> so, is Karmic gonna meet the 25 second boot goal?
[19:27] <acicula> it's quick
[19:27] <mrwes> yah?
[19:27] <acicula> way quicker then jaunty
[19:27] <mrwes> no sheit? Jaunty is about 35 seconds on my lappy
[19:27] <acicula> though admittedly this is a freh install without much crud
[19:27] <mrwes> gonna give that scaled down XP a run for it's money
[19:27] <BUGabundo> its quicker then JJ
[19:27] <acicula> so a few less services atm for me
[19:28] <acicula> but it feels more spiffeh
[19:28] <mrwes> some new themes too aye?
[19:28] <acicula> dunno
[19:28] <BUGabundo> nope
[19:28] <BUGabundo> not yet
[19:28] <mrwes> I only run alphas and betas in VB's
[19:28] <BUGabundo> and I don't think we are getting them for KK
[19:28] <mrwes> oh?
[19:29] <BUGabundo> mark says the team is *not yet* ready
[19:29] <mrwes> I thought I read there were some fluff
[19:29] <acicula> i normally do too, but jaunty was worse for me then intrepid so i had a go before wiping back to intrepid, so far it works pretty well for me, bar the obvious bumps of being alpha
[19:30] <BUGabundo> mrwes: it was planed
[19:30] <mrwes> Jaunty is rock solid on my Dell D600
[19:30] <mrwes> was?
[19:30] <thiebaude> jaunty is fast
[19:30] <acicula> i had random hangups&non functional backlight :/
[19:30] <mrwes> nod
[19:31] <mrwes> once I change my old ATI card back to XAA, I was golden
[19:31] <Ging> i just installed 9.10 and it installed and worked without incident
[19:31] <Ging> doesnt seem right
[19:31] <BUGabundo> eheh
[19:31] <mrwes> also, it was my first 'upgrade' and it was flawless
[19:31] <mrwes> heh
[19:31] <thiebaude> i still had to add "DRI" "off" to the xorg.conf in 9.04
[19:31] <BUGabundo> Ging: I always say: devel cycle is +/- stable up until Alpha5 / FF
[19:31] <BUGabundo> after that, all caos breaks loose
[19:31] <mrwes> OT -- John Mayer is a hell of a guitar player
[19:32] <Ging> i get the sense that something has to go wrong or some guy is about to kick me door down and  shoot me in the back of the head
[19:32] <mrwes> left my server at 8.04 though
[19:32] <Ging> both those things happened when i tried the jaunty beta
[19:32] <Ging> except the seconnd 1
[19:32] <mrwes> Ging, bitch being shot in the back of the head dont' ya know
[19:33] <mrwes> BUGabundo, KK gonna give netbooks a run on MS?
[19:33] <BUGabundo> naaa
[19:33] <BUGabundo> W7 comes out 1 week before
[19:33] <mrwes> hrmm
[19:33] <BUGabundo> just to compete
[19:34] <mrwes> Slapped Ibex on an IBM T41 for my niece-- damn thing screams. She was like -- "this is great, and I love it"
[19:35] <mrwes> heh...another sale
[19:35] <acicula> Ging: try your sound
[19:42] <mrwes> so will update-manager -d get me KK alpha?
[19:42] <BUGabundo> mrwes: yep
[19:42] <Twigathy> Lots of updates today =)
[19:42] <mrwes> scary
[19:42] <ienorand> hia all
[19:43] <ienorand> Yea, finally ooo upgraded okay...
[19:43] <BUGabundo> Twigathy: we just came out of Freeze
[19:43] <mrwes> I have an old ATI card, any concerns there?
[19:43] <thiebaude> hi ienorand
[19:43] <ienorand> thiebaude: heya
[19:43] <Twigathy> BUGabundo: ahh, I see. I've never been part of the madness that is testing alphas, so this is rather new to me... ;)
[19:43] <mrwes> 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc Radeon RV250 [Mobility FireGL 9000] (rev 01)
[19:44] <thiebaude> Twigathy: its fun :)
[19:44] <BUGabundo> humm bug?? any one running compiz on a laptop?
[19:44] <ienorand> BUGabundo: yea?
[19:44] <Twigathy> well, nothing has broken horribly, except the nasty 'I don't want to install the kernel!' thing, but that's mostly my own fault not having /boot mounted all the time :)
[19:44] <BUGabundo> ienorand: with Cube turned on?
[19:44] <BUGabundo> I can't use ctrl+alt+touchpad to rotate
[19:45] <BUGabundo> mouse works
[19:45] <ienorand> BUGabundo: cylinder, yea
[19:45] <BUGabundo> left/right too
[19:45] <BUGabundo> but ctrl+alt+touchapd click
[19:45] <ienorand> I can use touchpad, and keyboard, and mouse
[19:46] <BUGabundo> doesn't. can you check?
[19:46] <BUGabundo> really?
[19:46] <BUGabundo> not here
[19:46] <BUGabundo> grrr
[19:46] <BUGabundo> now it worked!!!
[19:46] <ienorand> hehe
[19:46] <BUGabundo> sorry... guess something went crazy for a sec
[19:47] <ienorand> quirky, I just had a login sessions where no sound worked at all, for no reason...
[19:48] <Twigathy> ah bugger, I had to curse it didn't I? :-)
[19:48] <Twigathy> http://paste.lisp.org/display/80306 <-- off for dinner now, if anyone knows why that's happening hilight me please =)
[19:48] <mrwes> phude is for the weak :P
[19:50] <ienorand> Is that not the hal issue from before?
[19:53] <ienorand> Nvm, that's current version of hal at least...
[19:56] <Twigathy> hmm
[19:58] <Ging> acicula: my sound works fine
[20:07] <ienorand> Twigathy: there was a bug in dbus recently which messed up hal, I think, but I do think patched dbus has been released...
[20:07] <ienorand> could check the dbus version...
[20:08] <Twigathy> I have dbus Version: 1.2.14-2ubuntu5
[20:08] <Twigathy> hal Version: 0.5.12+git20090512-0ubuntu2
[20:09] <ienorand> same here, so that shouldn't be the problem, presumably..
[20:09] <Twigathy> oddness...
[20:13] <Twigathy> hurrah, I kludge-fixed it using https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/hal/+bug/123966
[20:14]  * ienorand is looking at ubuntu dd backups, which seem to shrink by ~0.1GB for each time around... "Auto-unbloating", should be put up as an ubuntu feature..
[20:14] <Twigathy> hm, or not -- opening a new terminal fails >_<
[20:17] <ienorand> zomg, new updates every 10 mins
[20:17] <ienorand> now finally the held-back queue might empty
[20:31] <Twigathy> phew
[20:31] <Twigathy> I got some seriously odd messages about /dev/pts and couldn't open terminals! Got fed up and rebooted... leap of faith ...
[20:42] <henux> hi. i have ubuntu 9.04 with encrypted home dir. now i happen to need to rename my username from foo to baz. how would i do this feat?
[20:42] <henux> i tried sudo usermod -m -d /home/baz -l baz foo
[20:43] <henux> it worked but however next time i logged in, i got the default dummy home dir with a readme file explaining that i needed to do ecryptfs-mount-private, which i did but it didnt work
[20:44] <henux> the passphrase was asked from me, which i entered, but it said failed
[20:44] <BUGabundo> henux: hi and welcome!
[20:44] <henux> yeah hi to you too
[20:44] <BUGabundo> henux: support for 9.04 or earlier is on #ubuntu
[20:44] <henux> great
[20:44] <BUGabundo> henux: +1 is for Karmic 9.10 discussion
[20:45] <henux> ok sorry my bad
[20:45] <BUGabundo> np
[20:45] <BUGabundo> we will see you here again I hope
[20:45] <BUGabundo> once you upgrade to karmic
[20:45] <BUGabundo> eheh
[20:45] <BUGabundo> :p
[20:46] <BUGabundo> hey maco
[20:47] <ienorand> henux: Come join the crazy league: *stands on his head waving a flyswatter* "I wanna crash!"
[20:48] <BUGabundo> ienorand: he left
[20:48] <maco> BUGabundo, whats up?
[20:48] <BUGabundo> nothing special
[20:49] <BUGabundo> just at an scribus presentation
[20:55] <dazjorz> w00t
[20:55] <dazjorz> we're in KDE breakage again
[20:56] <dazjorz> kdebase-runtime, kdebase-runtime-bin-kde4 and kdebase-runtime-data are at KDE 4.3 beta1 now
[20:56] <dazjorz> but a lot of the rest of KDE still isnt :D
[20:58] <BUGabundo> dazjorz: did we ever left?
[20:59] <dazjorz> BUGabundo: somewhat... ;)
[20:59] <dazjorz> at least dpkg was satisfied
[20:59] <dazjorz> now it isn't, anymore :)
[20:59] <dazjorz> it wants to install kdebase-bin and kdebase-data again, but they have packages in common with other 4.3 beta1 packages I have installed now
[20:59] <dazjorz> so I need to wait for new beta1 packages for kdebase :)
[21:00] <dazjorz> there's 80 packages that still need to be updated to beta1
[21:00] <BUGabundo> eheh
[21:00] <dazjorz> methinks his machine currently won't boot if he shuts it down now :P
[21:00] <dazjorz> at least, it won't log into KDE
[21:01] <BUGabundo> eheheehhe
[21:05] <BUGabundo> what was that command to flush data cache to disk??
[21:05] <dazjorz> sync ?
[21:06] <BUGabundo> ahh
[21:06] <BUGabundo> was trying $ flush
[21:09] <dazjorz> okay, so now I installed the old packages, and ran a dpkg --force-overwrite with the new packages, so dpkg is satisfied and my system is more brokan than ever until the rest of KDE4.3beta1 is updated
[21:11] <dazjorz> s/brokan/broken/
[21:21] <BUGabundo> $ sudo apt-get install bubbros - multiplayer clone of the famous Bubble Bobble game
[21:24] <keithclark_> I am running Alpha 1 and was wondering....If I keep updating, do I need to download Alpha 2 and so on?  Or will my updating take me right to the release?
[21:24] <BUGabundo> keithclark_: YES
[21:25] <BUGabundo> once you run update-manager you get the current state of archive
[21:25] <keithclark_> Excellent, thanks.
[21:25] <BUGabundo> up to the point of release
[21:25] <keithclark_> But then I have to reinstall the release?
[21:25] <BUGabundo> no
[21:26] <keithclark_> Great, thanks.
[21:26] <BUGabundo> some ppl like charlie-tca keep a machine since 4.10 eheh
[21:26] <keithclark_> I enjoy watching a release develop.
[21:26] <dazjorz> keithclark_: you will get a *lot* of updates, eventually you will have the set of packages that will be the final release :)
[21:26] <dazjorz> keithclark_: a machosist, just like us ;)
[21:26] <keithclark_> yeah, pretty much.
[21:27] <dazjorz> BUGabundo: 4.10?!
[21:27] <poseidon> Is there any speculation on whether ext4 is going to make it to default on Karmic?
[21:27]  * dazjorz wishes he had a machine which started with 4.10 and went through all release schedules up to 9.10
[21:27] <keithclark_> I really cannot believe how far things have come since I installed 7.10.  I cannot imagine the changes since 4.1!
[21:28] <BUGabundo> poseidon: all fake afaik
[21:28] <BUGabundo> dazjorz: it would have to have been a super machine back then. 5 why ago
[21:28] <BUGabundo> s/why/y
[21:28] <kklimonda> BUGabundo: I have a system installed from 5.10 cd on my second laptop :)
[21:29] <BUGabundo> kklimonda: lucky you
[21:29]  * charlie-tca waves
[21:29] <kklimonda> BUGabundo: and it works like a charm
[21:29] <ienorand> poseidon: I don't think it will, as of my hunch...
[21:29] <BUGabundo> since my 1st touch on 5.10 I've change PCs/laptop 3 times
[21:29] <BUGabundo> charlie-tca: hey fellow friend
[21:29] <kklimonda> BUGabundo: I've been cleaning it recently and it's in top shape.. it's still 8.04 though :)
[21:29] <BUGabundo> ahhh
[21:30] <BUGabundo> karmic time ?ehehe
[21:30] <charlie-tca> I am thinking I need to wipe this system here and install karmic this weekend. I prefer to start this system with a fresh install
[21:30] <dazjorz> BUGabundo: or you upgrade the machine while keeping the hard drive... ;)
[21:30] <charlie-tca> The other one...
[21:30] <charlie-tca> well, you know.
[21:30] <keithclark_> I'm up to 3 machines in the house now on Ubuntu 9.04.  One more business machine to go.
[21:30] <keithclark_> A little concerned over installing with Vista
[21:31] <charlie-tca> I did get rid of 6.06 last month
[21:32] <BUGabundo> charlie-tca: eheh waiting for EOL
[21:33] <charlie-tca> I didn't want to wait that long. I let 7.10 go 6 months past EOL, and that was bad
[21:33] <dazjorz> I re-installed jaunty in the middle of a test week where I really needed my PC very hard
[21:34] <dazjorz> it worked within fifteen minutes, out of the box, perfectly
[21:34] <dazjorz> that would *never* have worked with windows
[21:34] <charlie-tca> dazjorz: that would not be the right time, either.
[21:34] <dazjorz> charlie-tca: it was in RC4 or so, IIRC
[21:34] <dazjorz> back then :)
[21:34] <charlie-tca> Glad it worked, anyway
[21:35] <dazjorz> yeah :)
[21:35] <BUGabundo> this laptop is running KK, and had its last fresh install on ardy devel cycle
[21:35] <BUGabundo> distupgrade to pre-alphas since then
[21:35] <dazjorz> whoa :P
[21:35] <dazjorz> nice :)
[21:36]  * dazjorz doesn't know whether he's going to distupgrade to other pre-alphas from now on
[21:36] <dazjorz> maybe I'll wait for alpha1 from now on, since this one was (and still is) kinda rough
[21:36] <dazjorz> doesn't seem very coordinated with all the broken KDE packages in the repos
[21:37] <thiebaude1> BUGabundo: what does it mean by partial-upgrade?
[21:37]  * charlie-tca thinks it means it will break something
[21:38] <thiebaude1> or are some packages being held back
[21:39] <ienorand> thiebaude1: it will have to install/remove things in addition to upgrading packages, afaik.
[21:39] <thiebaude1> ok ien
[21:39] <thiebaude1> ienorand: ok
[21:39] <ienorand> thiebaude1: run apt-get upgrade to see exactly what it's about to do.
[21:39] <ienorand> thiebaude1: dist-upgrade that is....
[21:40] <thiebaude1> ok, i will when its done upgrading to 9.10
[21:41] <BUGabundo> thiebaude1: means you kill a small cat
[21:41] <BUGabundo> ienorand: dist-upgrading can lead to all sort of strange things on a devel system
[21:41] <ienorand> thiebaude1: for example, for a long while it wanted to do a partial where it removed most vital parts of openoffice, since it seemed like a part or two was missing... I am guessin it was a good idea not to do the partial and wait at that stage
[21:41] <BUGabundo> packages can be removed, breaking depencies
[21:42] <BUGabundo> etc
[21:42] <BUGabundo> I just forced one , and lost gnome-do-plugins
[21:42]  * BUGabundo restart DO just to see what was lost
[21:42] <ienorand> BUGabundo: Yea, now it seemed like it was only installing and upgrading, so I let it loose...
[21:43] <BUGabundo> a quick looks at it, seems okay
[21:43] <thiebaude1> 9.10 didn't break intel graphics like 9.04 did
[21:44] <ienorand> thiebaude1: I guess, the fixes are even in jaunty-proposed afaik... wonder why they haven't made it into proper yet...
[21:44] <thiebaude1> if i have bugs in 9.10 and no show stoppers then i can accept using 9.10 until final
[21:45] <thiebaude1> anyway im dual-booting with XP
[21:45] <BUGabundo> thiebaude1: bad bad man
[21:45] <BUGabundo> eheh
[21:45] <thiebaude1> yea, i know
[21:46] <thiebaude1> i get the best of both worlds
[21:46] <BUGabundo> hummm
[21:46] <BUGabundo> lots of packages that I seem to need to remove
[21:48] <yofel> hm, I managed to upgrade to karmic yesterday - after removing everything that had to do with kde and I still have hold packages thanks to gnome-do-plugins...
[21:48] <thiebaude1> BUGabundo: so at UDS they will talk about what is going to be in Karmic
[21:48] <yofel> "Excess Flood" o.O
[21:49] <BUGabundo> was kiked by freenode sending an apt-cache show to rcanastro
[21:49] <yofel> ^^
[21:50] <thiebaude1> 19min to go on upgrade
[21:50] <BUGabundo> eheh
[21:54] <thiebaude1> !uds
[22:57] <BUGabundo> Username: n=bugabund@ubuntu/member/bugabundo woot
[23:58] <DanaG> argh, /dev/null: permission denied.
[23:59] <ienorand> That's the event horizon of the bitbucket.