[00:00] ogasawara: is it worth opening against ubuntu kernel or should I upstream the bug to bugs.freedesktop.org ?? (as an xorg bug) [00:00] mnemo: probably wouldn't hurt opening a linux kernel task as well [00:00] mnemo: I'd be interested to see dmesg output after it fails after being used for a while [00:01] ogasawara: ok I will ask for that as well then [01:44] hello, I turn off the wireless connection in network manager and the card drivers (iwlagn) still wake up in powertop. Is this normal? [02:10] Can anyone set the importance to bug #365052 [02:10] Launchpad bug 365052 in network-manager-applet "Disabling wireless connection should trigger rfkill" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/365052 [02:11] I think is important because we can save a lot of energy [02:12] i've set it to wishlist. === tim__sharitt is now known as tim_sharitt [05:24] hggdh: ping [06:05] thekorn: could you wishlist something for me? [06:07] micahg, sure, just give me the bug id and I'll see what I can do [06:07] bug 306017 [06:07] Launchpad bug 306017 in firefox-3.0 "Firefox search box should be tab specific" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/306017 [06:08] user I think was a previous win user [06:08] but [06:08] request was already upstream [06:08] Low priority [06:09] yes makes sense, done [06:10] huh? [06:10] I didn't nkow there was a whislist importance [06:11] thekorn: I thought status was supposed to be wishlist? [06:11] no, wishlist is importance not status [06:12] ah, sorry [06:12] right [06:12] can you set it to triaged? [06:12] I'm going to post our link upstream as well === ejat is now known as e-jat [06:16] micahg, I've read the upstream bugreport now, the problem with this bug is that upstream has good reasons to not change the behaviour of this search widget [06:17] indeed [06:17] it's still a valid request [06:17] and we're done with out part [06:17] so is it not prudent to set to triaged? [06:17] *our part [06:18] so what do you think about changing the status for the ubuntu task to wont't fix, as this has to be implemented in firefox itself, there is nothing we can do about it [06:18] triaged in my understanding would mean: our people can start working on it [06:19] no, because upstream still considers it a possibility [06:19] hmmm [06:19] which is not the case here [06:19] reading the status wiki page [06:19] but I might be wrong, maybe I should think about it a bit more [06:20] thekorn: what do you think of moving to ff3.5? [06:20] then triaged makes sense [06:20] as it probably won't be backported to 3.0 [06:22] micahg, sorry, I don't know much about the mozilla internals for ubuntu, best to ask this question on #ubuntu-mozilla again [06:22] ok [06:22] I'll ask in the morning [06:22] not sure how they would like to handle such things [06:23] super [06:24] could you maybe help me with another? [06:24] bug 302217 [06:24] Launchpad bug 302217 in firefox-3.0 "firefox behaves weird" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/302217 [06:26] Is the user saying he is no longer having issues? [06:28] good morning [06:28] good morning [06:28] can you help me with a bug dholbach? [06:29] hi micahg [06:29] I can try [06:29] which one? what's the problem there? [06:29] bug 302217 [06:29] Launchpad bug 302217 in firefox-3.0 "firefox behaves weird" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/302217 [06:29] Just want to make sure I understand user [06:29] user seems to not have trouble anymore [06:29] I think [06:30] that how it looks to me too [06:31] so, do I mark as a dupe of 99740 or just mark invalid [06:31] usually when people have these weird problems with firefox it's good to ask them to disable a bunch of extensions/plugins and try again [06:31] or create a new user and see if it works there [06:31] I didn't handle the original triage [06:31] right [06:31] another bug closed! :) [06:31] yeehaw [06:31] yes, but mark as a dupe or invalid? [06:32] I'd mark it invalid for now - but you can try asking asac later on [06:32] or ask around in #ubuntu-mozillateam [06:32] yeah, I alreayd have something else to ask in there [06:33] thanks dholbach [06:33] rock on micahg! [06:33] I've been trying to whittle down the number of bugs in ff3 for a couple of weeks now [06:34] there used to be over 660 new bugs [06:34] now only 621 [06:34] nice work [06:34] not all me, but I've probably done abotu 40 [07:09] nice work micahg === mano is now known as martingoal === mano is now known as MartinGoal === asac_ is now known as asac === _neversfelde is now known as neversfelde === micahg1 is now known as micahg [15:34] hggdh: ping [15:40] pong [15:40] ;) [15:42] What's the general policy if someone's requested info, but forgot to ask for something or forgot to set it to incomplete? [15:43] i'd set it co incomplete for him or ask further questions.. [15:44] kklimonda: it's not stepping on someone else's toes? [15:45] kklimonda: also, you don't think it'll discourage the other peerson from triaging? [15:45] micahg: I don't know - I wouldn't care personally....... [15:45] hmm.. to many dots :) [15:45] too* [15:46] kklimonda: I'd like feedback from someone who would care :) [15:46] bdmurray: any comments? ^^^^^ [15:47] micahg: Most of us wouldn't care - we all just want those bugs closed :) [15:48] kklimonda: indeed, but it is someone new... [15:48] micahg: you can check his karma level - if it's low then mark a bug Incomplete, ask further questions and add comment to triager so he knows what he did wrong/could have done better. [15:50] kklimonda: It's a matter of experience, when I started with FF bugs, I didn't know an strace is useful [15:51] I find other triagers comments helpful, myself. Something like "Could you also include..." is a great reminder even though it is not directed at me [15:51] ok [15:51] next question [15:51] bug 376676 [15:51] Launchpad bug 376676 in firefox-3.0 "None of the text to speech will install and work!" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/376676 [15:51] guy is not being nice [15:51] I either forgot to ask or did not know, but will ask next time, then. [15:52] I'm tempted to convert to Q as none of the problems are with .deb packages [15:53] or use https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/Responses#Missing%20Steps%20to%20Recreate%20Bug and include the comment: [15:53] "pretend I have never tried to do what you are. How do I reproduce this issue, step by step?" [15:54] charlie-tca: I think that would work with a normal user, but not this one [15:54] charlie-tca: I mean, look at the response he gave me for my innocent question [15:57] He joined launchpad just for that bug. Perhaps someone else needs to comment on it back to him [15:58] I was going to point him to the code of conduct [15:59] Sometimes pointing out that you are just a volunteer trying to get the report ready for the developers to resolve the issue helps, too. [15:59] charlie-tca: it seems like the guy just needs support, not that he has an actual bug [15:59] I would use that with the first reponse in "how to report a bug properly" and then leave it for 30 days [16:00] He needs to be shown how to use update manager [16:00] and which java package to install [16:01] That might be too. But his comments leave it wide open. What is the older version of linux? What did he try? [16:01] they're support reqeusts [16:03] charlie-tca: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/173071/ [16:03] He is trying to install java 6, but the plugin calls for 5 [16:03] could be [16:04] Yeah, that looks good. Then leave it sit for a few days. He will catch on soon enough. [16:04] He will probably yell again, first though [16:05] charlie-tca: thanks, I have to go [16:05] good luck === ejat is now known as e-jat [17:06] how to get a list of all packages installed from repos other than official? [17:07] Remove unofficial sources from sources.list, apt-get update, apt-show-versions | fgrep -v uptodate [17:09] thanks [18:06] hello :) [18:08] hey [18:10] I figured I'd help :) I'm new [18:11] welcome! [18:12] great :D === YoBoY_Y is now known as YoBoY [18:46] hey Rocket2DMn - i notice you just triaged a tracker duplicate bug. [18:46] if you spot any more of those, it would be great if the reporter could test the build of tracker in my PPA [18:47] so we can get it fixed as a SRU [18:53] chrisccoulson, sure. I only really noticed it b/c it was filed under ubuntu-docs [18:54] lol [18:54] I'll leave a note on the duplicate to try the version on your ppa [18:54] that's a strange place for it;) [18:54] yeah, it happens, people go to yelp and report bugs [18:54] bug 361205 has a lot of info [18:54] Launchpad bug 361205 in tracker "Tracker uses notifications with actions when the index is corrupt" [Medium,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/361205 [18:55] chrisccoulson, that second bug there is the one that has your comment about ppa, does your fix address both bugs? [18:55] the fix doesn't address the actual corruption problems. that won't be resolved in jaunty [18:56] ok, I'm not sure if that user had the popup problem [18:56] the second bug is that when the index becomes corrupt, tracker displays a fallback notification dialog, which just keeps reappearing, regardless of what button they press [18:56] yeah, i experienced that bug [18:56] there are several reasons for it [18:57] the bug i marked as a dup doesnt mention the popup, just that it doesnt stop indexing [18:57] hmmmmmm [18:57] if the indexer has trouble storing words, then the dialog should appear (unless they have a different issue) [18:57] therefore, I don't think I can direct the user to your ppa :) [18:57] ah [18:58] but you could try it out if you can trigger the issue;) [18:58] The bugs may be related, but are clearly not a single problem [18:58] chrisccoulson, normally I would, but for now I've already worked around it. I will need that system to be stable for awhile so I can't put it into any kind of testing mode [18:59] fair enough ;) the tracker packages won't cause you any harm though [18:59] I know, but I have a billion other things to worry about right now, I'd rather not risk time beating around my old laptop when i really need it to be stable [19:00] all the updates do is remove the actions from the notification (so it just automatically reindexes if the index becomes corrupt), fixes a bug where not all of the old indexes are removed on reindex, and makes the indexer abort after signalling that there's a problem [19:00] working on moving right now, then going on vacation in the middle of my move, new work location, etc, etc [19:00] that's ok though, i understand :) [19:00] If I do notice other reports, I'll be sure to direct them to your ppa though [19:00] thanks [19:01] sure thing [19:04] ola peeps [19:12] BUGabundo: Hi :) [19:13] hey bencrisford === micahg1 is now known as micahg [20:40] * BUGabundo knocks on the door, to wake up ppl [20:40] do you guys know why scribus *asks* users to use there repoitorie and not ubuntu archive package? [20:40] http://www.scribus.net/?q=debian [20:40] AKAICS we already have the lastest version [20:45] Where does this happen? [20:45] BUGabundo: maybe that's because debian/ubuntu repack their source (probably to remove some things that aren't compatible with DFSG) [20:47] ahh kklimonda [20:47] bdmurray: I'm at a presentaion, and the speaker mentioned it [20:47] still trying to get hard facts for that [20:47] BUGabundo: ask him about it :) [20:47] but their wiki seems to indicate that too [20:47] other wise there would be no need to mention a repo [20:48] kklimonda: I would but its rude to interrupt the presentation, isn't it? [20:48] BUGabundo: nah ;) [20:48] eheh [20:49] not so rude if you do it gently... [20:50] BUGabundo: "Upstream cvs update on 2005-08-05. Added "dfsg" to the package version as [20:50] an indicator that non-free components were removed." [20:50] BUGabundo: from debian changelog [20:50] 2005? that's really old [20:50] but what does that mean? [20:52] BUGabundo: i can do a diff for you between our and their tarball [20:52] naaa [20:53] no need [20:53] probably some graphics were removed.. [20:53] I just want to understand *why* we have a package that upstream seems to not recommend [20:53] like what regularly happens with Tor [20:54] it was removed because no one was maintaining it [20:54] it is better to tell people to use 3rd party .debs than outdated ones.. [20:54] and upstream asked it... [20:54] sure - but still no one cared enough ;) [20:54] they ask, we remove, someone files a bug to included, we get it, and the cycle begins again [20:55] yeah [20:55] BUGabundo: you can take it ;) [20:56] naaa [20:56] hehe [20:56] still have only done ONE package [20:56] and failed to removed uncessary libs [20:56] lol [20:56] kklimonda: can you make a sync request for scribus? [20:56] debian has 1.3.4 [20:57] they have 1.3.3.13 [20:57] humm [20:57] really? [20:58] nhandler has already requested merge [20:58] yes [20:58] I just saw a .3.4 link [20:58] ahhh not final [21:05] hi, I want to participate in ubuntu a little bit, so for startes i wanted to file a bug about bluetoth not working on my dell. device is up but the scanning shows nothing, worked on 8.10. what category should i file it? [21:08] tdi: hello and welcome. To report a bug about bluetooth, you should probably use the "linux" category as it is probably something that will be fixed in the kernel. You can do that here: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+filebug [21:08] thanks, that was the answer i was lookign for thanks [21:08] tdi: no problem, come back with any other questions. [21:08] ill just stay ;) [21:10] that is a good idea, too :) [21:12] tdi: easiest way file a bug: open a terminal and write: ubuntu-bug PACKAGENAME [21:12] tdi: in this case you want the linux kernal [21:12] *kernel [21:12] so you type: ubuntu-bug linux [21:12] thanks [21:19] tdi: np [22:30] hggdh: around? [22:30] mx.canonical.com said: 550 5.1.1 : Recipient address rejected: User unknown in virtual alias table [22:30] hummmm [22:30] can't use my email alias yet :( [22:31] who should I nag about that? [22:31] If its been a while an RT request would be the best approach [22:32] bdmurray, I am [22:32] bdmurray: who long is a while? it was 3 days ago [22:32] on the last EMEA membership meeting [22:32] hggdh: I'm looking at the stacktrace in bug 339665 and was leaning towards making it public [22:32] bdmurray: Bug 339665 on http://launchpad.net/bugs/339665 is private [22:33] BUGabundo: neither you have a cloak :) [22:33] looking at it [22:33] BUGabundo: I'd give it a week [22:33] kklimonda: no?? ohh now im sad [22:33] but I'm on the LP team... [22:33] You have to go to #ubuntu-irc and request the cload [22:33] cloak [22:34] I totally read that as cloud first [22:34] BUGabundo: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IrcTeam/Cloaks [22:34] and [22:34] with all those posts about ubuntu1 on p.u.c it isn't hard ;) [22:34] bdmurray, there are two email accounts listed there [22:34] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuEmail [22:35] ahh charlie-tca [22:35] tough it was automatic [22:35] actually, one email account and one IM id [22:35] IM too? [22:35] seems so [22:36] hggdh: I think the e-mail address is the reporters [22:36] and look at this, too: http://www.jonobacon.org/ [22:36] http://www.jonobacon.org/2009/03/24/ubuntu-members-get-free-lwn-subs/ [22:36] wrong link [22:37] do ubuntu members get a pony? [22:38] where? [22:39] ok [22:39] !pony [22:39] Factoid 'pony' not found [22:39] !pony-#ubuntu-offtopic [22:39] No, you can't have a pony. Much less so when you're magnetron [22:39] now I need to read it all and get my cloak and mail [22:39] yes [22:41] humm 48h for email... [22:42] but more then that has passed [22:42] heh. Cool down, BUGabundo, you have waited so long for that... you can wait a bit more ;-) [22:43] eheh [22:43] sure [22:43] now for the cloack [22:43] * BUGabundo joins #ubuntu-irc [22:49] bdmurray, what's the link for the private bugs again (I have it, but I am rebuilding evolution right now)? [22:50] http://qa.ubuntu.com/reports/launchpad-database/private-apport-crashes.html [22:50] Clearly I'm working on pidgin ;-) [22:51] heh [22:51] Speaking of bug trends I'm surprised that are still some new ones coming in [22:51] private, you mean? [22:51] yeah === BUGabundo is now known as BUGabundo1 [22:52] weird. I thought apport-retrace (backend) would take care of it... === BUGabundo1 is now known as BUGabundo [22:53] take care of what? it is (should be?) disabled in the final release [22:54] what has to be done to make bugreport public? can it be stripped of confidential data somehow? (tracebacks etc.) [22:54] kklimonda, yes, it would have to. Sometimes it is clear, sometimes it is not [22:55] hggdh: but a) are there some tools available to bug control and b) is it even possible to strip core dump without breaking it? [22:55] bdmurray, sorry -- of course apport-retrace has nothing to do with it... juggling too many thing at the same time [22:55] hggdh: i just don't believe that you are sitting and reading them all by hand and then using some hexeditor to change emails and passwords for XXX ;) [22:55] kklimonda, the coredump gets discarded when apport-retrace successfully gets the BTs [22:55] ach [22:56] it is the backtrace full that might carry some private data [22:56] so, depending on what it is, we either leave it as is, or sanitise the BTs -- which means downloading them, adjusting, deleting the original, and uploading the sanitised version [22:57] and, if a bug still shows a coredump, then it can only be made public by first deleting the coredump [22:57] too dangerous, otherwise [22:57] charlie-tca: kklimonda: hggdh: Username: n=bugabund@ubuntu/member/bugabundo woot [22:57] btw, why is apport disabled in release? too complicated for users? [22:58] BUGabundo: sweet :) [22:58] at release point almost all crashes are already known (or so it is said) [22:59] if I had a penny for every crash after release [22:59] I would be richer then mark [23:08] gaining fast, BUGabundo === x-spec-t is now known as Spec [23:15] BUGabundo: http://ubuntu.seaq.com.co/ubuntu-bugs.html -- scroll down to the nicks, you're at the top and your random quote made me laugh so hard :P [23:16] * BUGabundo reads [23:16] upps [23:18] hggdh: should I shut up? I have 1k more lines then you ! and I'm not even on bug squash team (yet) [23:19] kklimonda: you have to work it harder eheh [23:19] BUGabundo, no, do not shut up. It gets boring otherwise [23:19] hggdh: I have both 1st and 2nd places per hour [23:19] but I am surprised to see myself up there [23:19] LOL [23:19] neck to neck with you [23:19] BUGabundo: even harder? I don't know if I can.. maybe I should stop sleeping? ;) [23:19] * BUGabundo offers sleeping pill to hggdh [23:20] kklimonda: take up some energy from hggdh [23:20] BUGabundo, but I win on # of words. Got to stop typing that much :-( [23:20] LOL [23:20] hggdh: not for long! [23:20] BUGabundo: Well.. I would be a bit higher if my both nicks were connected ;) [23:20] im up there for using ':P's :P [23:21] I just need to start to type longer sentences! but I get bored!! I imagine the other side waiting for the reply, so I just press enter a lot [23:21] I see that kklimonda_ has another 300 lines.. [23:21] BUGabundo: it's called flooding by some of us :) [23:21] haha :P [23:21] BUGabundo wrote the shortest lines, averaging 32.1 characters per line. :DD [23:21] eehhe [23:21] I want my user pic up there [23:22] pedro_ gets hugged alot :P [23:22] hggd has quite a potty mouth. 0.00% words were foul language. [23:22] haha [23:22] heh [23:22] humm? I never slang... [23:22] For example, like this: [23:22] shit tornado warning [23:22] micahg1 asks too many questions!!! 24.4% lines contained a question! [23:23] BUGabundo just forgot to deactivate his Caps-Lock. He wrote UPPERCASE 0.8% of the time. [23:23] and it was, and I scrammed very fast [23:23] hey my nick doesn't count!!! [23:23] What a charm is pedro_, everyone likes him. He was hugged 5 times [23:23] kklimonda brings happiness to the world. 17.2% lines contained smiling faces. :) [23:24] I have to stop doing that.. [23:24] :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) [23:24] hggd seems to be sad at the moment: 1.0% lines contained sad faces. :( [23:24] :p :p :p :p :p :p :p :p :p :p :p :p :p :p :p :p :p :p :p [23:24] :D:D:D:D:D:D [23:24] sometimes I just can't write a sentence that doesn't end with ";)" or ":)".. [23:24] same :P [23:24] greg-g wrote the longest lines, averaging 61.4 letters per line. [23:24] #ubuntu-bugs average was 52.8 letters per line. [23:24] greg-g beats the bot... LOL [23:25] I think that bots aren't on this list. [23:25] hggd spoke a total of 28189 words! [23:25] hggd's faithful follower, BUGabundo, didn't speak so much: 23802 words. [23:25] I need to sleep and work!! [23:25] you don't [23:26] sleep is for weak [23:26] at least 3h per night [23:26] it aint that bad [23:26] and I'm just online a few hours per night [23:26] hggdh is here all day [23:26] ehehe [23:26] so let me be online more and I'll double his results [23:27] hggd keeps calling kklimonda_ [23:28] BUGabundo talks to himself a lot. He wrote over 5 lines in a row 60 times! [23:28] no, I am not really in all day. I am usually virtual all day (unless when I am waiting for something to get done so that I can keep up with work) [23:54] hey guys [23:57] OK. I am confused. I tried to add a Gnome watch, and cannot -- "Also affects distribution" does not allow me to. What am I doing wrong? [23:57] maybe its a project?