| bodhi_zazen | package management 10 min ? | 00:54 |
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| bodhi_zazen | anyone here for packagemanagemt ? | 00:54 |
| nhandler | o/ | 00:55 |
| d0htem | :o | 00:56 |
| bodhi_zazen | nhandler: you could probably do better then I in this discussion, so feel free to add in as the time comes :) | 00:56 |
| === nhandler changed the topic of #ubuntu-classroom to: Ubuntu Classroom || https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Classroom || https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-classroom || Currently: Package Management (Installing software) 00:00 - 01:00 UTC (bodhi_zazen) || Upcoming: || Run 'date -u' in a terminal to find out the UTC time | ||
| * alexbobp manages Daisuke_Ido's package | 00:59 | |
| WastePotato | Wat. | 00:59 |
| alexbobp | WastePotato: I'm just getting ready for the class | 01:00 |
| bodhi_zazen | anyone want to see command line stuff with a shared session ? | 01:00 |
| bodhi_zazen | will save that for the end :) | 01:00 |
| d0htem | shared ssh? | 01:00 |
| bodhi_zazen | yes d0htem :) | 01:00 |
| bodhi_zazen | ssh + screen | 01:00 |
| bodhi_zazen | First, thank you all for coming | 01:00 |
| bodhi_zazen | If you have any suggestions for topics, let me know :) | 01:01 |
| d0htem | !fix jaunty compiz configuration | 01:01 |
| ubot2 | d0htem: Error: I am only a bot, please don't think I'm intelligent :) | 01:01 |
| WastePotato | ? | 01:01 |
| bodhi_zazen | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BeginnersTeam/FocusGroups/Education/Proposals | 01:01 |
| bodhi_zazen | FYI, the long term goal is to establish Ubuntu Education | 01:01 |
| bodhi_zazen | We have started the Ubuntu Community Learning Project | 01:02 |
| bodhi_zazen | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Learning | 01:02 |
| bodhi_zazen | :) | 01:03 |
| bodhi_zazen | OK, package management | 01:03 |
| bodhi_zazen | this session is aimed at new users, although if it is too basic we can get into the nitty-gritty :) | 01:03 |
| Joeb454 | jacob: way to be late | 01:03 |
| bodhi_zazen | new users are often overwhelmed, and one of the FAQ is how to install things | 01:04 |
| jacob | Joeb454: it's how the cool kids roll | 01:04 |
| bodhi_zazen | Should be obvious, but they get caught up in tar balls fast :) | 01:04 |
| bodhi_zazen | There are many ways of installing software, known as packages | 01:04 |
| bodhi_zazen | If you are new to Ubuntu, and even if you are not, use the repositories (which we will cover). | 01:05 |
| bodhi_zazen | The repositories are pre-built binary packages | 01:05 |
| bodhi_zazen | reference : https://help.ubuntu.com/community/InstallingSoftware | 01:06 |
| bodhi_zazen | So let's discuss how to install packages using graphical tools :) | 01:06 |
| bodhi_zazen | I am a BIG fan of Synpatic | 01:06 |
| bodhi_zazen | https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SynapticHowto | 01:07 |
| bodhi_zazen | Alternates include "Add/Remove" | 01:07 |
| bodhi_zazen | although personally I find Add/Remove is not as good as synaptic, especially when searching for packages. | 01:08 |
| bodhi_zazen | Kubuntu uses Adept - similar comments :) | 01:08 |
| bodhi_zazen | Add/Remove is in your menu, lol | 01:08 |
| bodhi_zazen | OK, brief overview / side track :) | 01:09 |
| bodhi_zazen | Where do packages come from ? | 01:09 |
| bodhi_zazen | a question every parent dreads :) | 01:09 |
| bodhi_zazen | Packages come from source code | 01:10 |
| bodhi_zazen | the source coed is compiled into binaries by the ubuntu developers and the MOTU (over simplification, sorry) | 01:10 |
| bodhi_zazen | The binaries are stored in the Repositories, or collections of packages | 01:11 |
| bodhi_zazen | https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Ubuntu | 01:11 |
| bodhi_zazen | Packages have some housekeeping we will not be discussing in detail at the moment | 01:11 |
| bodhi_zazen | Developers "sign" the packages (security issues) | 01:12 |
| bodhi_zazen | https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SecureApt | 01:12 |
| bodhi_zazen | Apt is the "Back end" | 01:13 |
| bodhi_zazen | Apt is used to track packages and dependencies | 01:13 |
| bodhi_zazen | A dependency is requirements | 01:13 |
| bodhi_zazen | for example, say you wish to run Firestarter | 01:14 |
| bodhi_zazen | (bad example I know) | 01:14 |
| bodhi_zazen | You need to have (among other things) iptables and X (a graphcial system) as Firestarter is a graphical system | 01:14 |
| bodhi_zazen | In the good old days, before package management, you would have to find all these dependencies for yourself | 01:15 |
| bodhi_zazen | Now Apt, and thus apt-get, aptitude, Synaptic, Adept, Add/Remove track all this for you :) | 01:15 |
| bodhi_zazen | Major advantage of Ubuntu, especially for new users | 01:15 |
| bodhi_zazen | With me so far ? | 01:16 |
| bodhi_zazen | So let us return to installing a package foo | 01:16 |
| bodhi_zazen | Assuming foo is in the Ubuntu Repositories you can install foo with a graphical front end | 01:16 |
| bodhi_zazen | And all the dependencies will be installed for you | 01:17 |
| bodhi_zazen | You can use the graphical front end to manage repositories | 01:17 |
| bodhi_zazen | And remove the package as well | 01:17 |
| bodhi_zazen | So ... Where does a package go ? | 01:17 |
| bodhi_zazen | In Windows programs typically go into Program Files, organized by Program | 01:18 |
| bodhi_zazen | In Linux the files system is organized differently | 01:18 |
| bodhi_zazen | so .. | 01:18 |
| bodhi_zazen | the binary itself goes into /bin (or /usr/bin or /sbin ... ) | 01:18 |
| bodhi_zazen | The config files go in /etc | 01:19 |
| bodhi_zazen | the user files go in $HOME | 01:19 |
| bodhi_zazen | the man pages go with the other man pages | 01:19 |
| bodhi_zazen | So if you understand the basics of the Linux File System / tree you know where packages go :) | 01:19 |
| bodhi_zazen | Overview of the repositories ? | 01:20 |
| bodhi_zazen | https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Ubuntu | 01:21 |
| bodhi_zazen | When you first install Ubuntu, not all of the repositories are "acitve" | 01:21 |
| bodhi_zazen | Typically Main | 01:21 |
| bodhi_zazen | One then adds Restricted Universe and Multiverse | 01:22 |
| bodhi_zazen | The exact mechanics of adding a repository vary by the tool you are using and is covered in detail here : https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Ubuntu | 01:22 |
| bodhi_zazen | I mention that as one of the other FAQ new users have is what to do when an application is not found in Add/Remove etc | 01:23 |
| bodhi_zazen | and the most common reason for that is the Universe / Multivers repositories are not active | 01:23 |
| bodhi_zazen | One can manually activate repositories by editing /etc/apt/sources.list | 01:24 |
| bodhi_zazen | and removing # at the front of lines or adding lines | 01:24 |
| bodhi_zazen | Next installing 3rd party applications .deb etc | 01:24 |
| bodhi_zazen | First, security - do not install application from untrusted sources :) | 01:25 |
| nhandler | As a note, if you edit /etc/apt/sources.list by hand, remember to run 'sudo apt-get update' to cause your changes to take effect | 01:25 |
| bodhi_zazen | Second, just because it is a .deb does NOT mean you can install it on Ubuntu | 01:25 |
| bodhi_zazen | And third, you can not mix and match repositories at will | 01:25 |
| bodhi_zazen | by that I mean, although Ubuntu is based on Debian , you can not simply add the debian repositories | 01:26 |
| bodhi_zazen | likewise you can not mix 9.04 repositories with 8.04 :) | 01:26 |
| bodhi_zazen | If you mix repositories you can try something like pinning : https://help.ubuntu.com/community/PinningHowto | 01:27 |
| bodhi_zazen | be warned , you can not simply use pinning either, pinning can cause breakage | 01:27 |
| bodhi_zazen | IMO, rather then using 3rd party .deb or pinning you are best off building from source | 01:28 |
| bodhi_zazen | I will leave building from source for another day :) | 01:28 |
| bodhi_zazen | The good news, with the sheer size of the Ubuntu repositories it is rare you need to build from source | 01:28 |
| bodhi_zazen | I am going to move to command line next | 01:29 |
| bodhi_zazen | questions about basic packages / dependencies / graphical front ends ? | 01:29 |
| bodhi_zazen | If not, do you want a demo on a shared ssh session ? | 01:29 |
| bodhi_zazen | -- Questions please -- | 01:30 |
| d0htem | how do packages get added to repository | 01:30 |
| bodhi_zazen | depends on the repository | 01:30 |
| d0htem | why arent they allways uptodate and how can we help, to do that in example nmap | 01:30 |
| bodhi_zazen | how general are you asking ? | 01:30 |
| bodhi_zazen | how do you get a package into the repositories ? | 01:30 |
| d0htem | yes! | 01:31 |
| bodhi_zazen | Well, in general , a 3rd party application such as nmap => MOTU :) | 01:31 |
| kklimonda | nmap is in main | 01:31 |
| st33med | d0htem, submit the package's lp info to a MOTU person, and he might consider it | 01:32 |
| bodhi_zazen | If the package is in main then it is the Canonical developers | 01:32 |
| Daisuke_Ido | then there are personal package archives | 01:32 |
| bodhi_zazen | In general | 01:32 |
| bodhi_zazen | A package gose through testing | 01:32 |
| bodhi_zazen | *goes* | 01:32 |
| jacob | bodhi_zazen: not necessairily canonical, but ~ubuntu-core-dev | 01:32 |
| bodhi_zazen | Let us use mother Debian as an example | 01:32 |
| DasEi | man dpkg is a good hint for checking deb's | 01:32 |
| bodhi_zazen | you have debian stable | 01:32 |
| bodhi_zazen | those packages are older, and, as the name implies, stable | 01:33 |
| bodhi_zazen | bugs have been tested and worked out | 01:33 |
| bodhi_zazen | A new package or version comes along | 01:33 |
| bodhi_zazen | It goes first into Unstable | 01:33 |
| bodhi_zazen | people test it and it then goes into testing | 01:34 |
| bodhi_zazen | as it is further tested it finds it's way into stable | 01:34 |
| bodhi_zazen | Is that general enough for everyone ? | 01:34 |
| d0htem | yes thank you very much | 01:34 |
| bodhi_zazen | Ubuntu takes a snapshot of testing => fixes bugs => release every 6 months | 01:34 |
| bodhi_zazen | So if you want to help -> participate in testing and bug reports | 01:35 |
| bodhi_zazen | or join one of the development teams | 01:35 |
| bodhi_zazen | but is it no simply compile an updated binary and release it :) | 01:35 |
| st33med | At the time of the final release candidate, all repositories are 'frozen', meaning no major version updates are applied | 01:35 |
| * st33med just adding two cents | 01:36 | |
| bodhi_zazen | thanks :) | 01:36 |
| bodhi_zazen | it is a broad question | 01:36 |
| bodhi_zazen | In general updated packages go through testing before they make it into the repositories | 01:36 |
| bodhi_zazen | While we are on that subject :) | 01:36 |
| bodhi_zazen | How often to update your system ? | 01:37 |
| bodhi_zazen | New users often update daily | 01:37 |
| st33med | Every five seconds | 01:37 |
| st33med | :) | 01:37 |
| bodhi_zazen | just keep in mind , a chance to update is a chance to break | 01:37 |
| * st33med shuts up | 01:37 | |
| bodhi_zazen | So, before you update :) | 01:37 |
| bodhi_zazen | 1. Ask yourself, do you need said updated package ? | 01:37 |
| bodhi_zazen | 2. i look on the forums, are there threads like "todays update broke X" ? | 01:38 |
| bodhi_zazen | 3. Look at the list of packages to be updated | 01:38 |
| bodhi_zazen | I advise security updates daily | 01:38 |
| bodhi_zazen | The rest I do once a week at most | 01:38 |
| bodhi_zazen | Sometimes , on servers, once every 3 months | 01:39 |
| bodhi_zazen | >:) | 01:39 |
| st33med | bad bodhi_zazen | 01:39 |
| bodhi_zazen | depends on what will happen if an update breaks a system | 01:39 |
| bodhi_zazen | Desktops do not matter | 01:39 |
| bodhi_zazen | Servers sometimes do | 01:39 |
| bodhi_zazen | LOL statik | 01:39 |
| bodhi_zazen | st33med: :) | 01:40 |
| st33med | :D | 01:40 |
| bodhi_zazen | newer is not always better, and sometimes one trades stability for older packages | 01:40 |
| bodhi_zazen | Of course I update my test installs in a VM daily | 01:40 |
| bodhi_zazen | but if a VM breaks, no big deal | 01:40 |
| bodhi_zazen | OK, command line then ? | 01:40 |
| st33med | Sure \o/ | 01:41 |
| bodhi_zazen | You can update with | 01:41 |
| bodhi_zazen | apt-get update | 01:41 |
| bodhi_zazen | apt-get upgrade | 01:41 |
| bodhi_zazen | If a package is held back, try | 01:41 |
| bodhi_zazen | apt-get dist-upgrade | 01:41 |
| Daisuke_Ido | just make sure to cover apt-cache - the single easiest way to search for and get info on packages | 01:41 |
| bodhi_zazen | You can install a .deb, like say virtualbox, with dpkg | 01:42 |
| bodhi_zazen | dpkg -i Virtualbox.bed | 01:42 |
| bodhi_zazen | *deb | 01:42 |
| bodhi_zazen | That will fail if you have unmet dependencies ... | 01:42 |
| bodhi_zazen | so ... | 01:42 |
| bodhi_zazen | apt-get -f | 01:42 |
| st33med | Usually, the only time you have a held back package is a pinned package or you are in a pre-RC version of Ubuntu | 01:42 |
| bodhi_zazen | apt-get -f install | 01:42 |
| bodhi_zazen | will install dependencies , then finish installing VirtualBox | 01:42 |
| bodhi_zazen | apt-get must of course be run as root , so sudo apt-get ... | 01:43 |
| bodhi_zazen | or sudo -i | 01:43 |
| bodhi_zazen | or make an alias :) | 01:43 |
| bodhi_zazen | For information on packages you have apt-cache (which can be run as a regular user) | 01:44 |
| bodhi_zazen | apt-cache search foo | 01:44 |
| bodhi_zazen | will tell you all about package foo | 01:44 |
| bodhi_zazen | and then there is also dpkg | 01:44 |
| bodhi_zazen | dpkg -l | 01:44 |
| bodhi_zazen | will list all installed packages :) | 01:44 |
| bodhi_zazen | you can also use aptitude, similar to apt-get | 01:45 |
| bodhi_zazen | aptitude install foo | 01:45 |
| bodhi_zazen | you can use apt-get to build from source if you like as well :) | 01:47 |
| bodhi_zazen | it will use the Ubuntu source code, in the deb-src repositories | 01:47 |
| bodhi_zazen | teh ubuntu source code is often patched :) | 01:47 |
| bodhi_zazen | apt-get will even handle dependencies for that as will | 01:48 |
| franki^ | is there any advantage to doing that? | 01:48 |
| bodhi_zazen | In general no franki^ | 01:49 |
| bodhi_zazen | BUT sometimes you need or want to say apply a patch | 01:49 |
| bodhi_zazen | or modify the source code yourself | 01:49 |
| bodhi_zazen | nhandler: ?? | 01:50 |
| bodhi_zazen | anything to add ? | 01:50 |
| st33med | apt-get moo | 01:50 |
| st33med | :) | 01:50 |
| bodhi_zazen | We have 10 minutes left and I would like to stop to answer questions ... | 01:50 |
| bodhi_zazen | This was kind of a lightning overview of package management , lol | 01:51 |
| st33med | --- QUESTIONS --- | 01:51 |
| jacob | one thing i would like to point out, universe + restricted are enabled by default on new installs (not sure if multiverse is or not) | 01:52 |
| wirechief | bodhi_zazen: can you discuss the use of sudo dpkg --remove --force-depends bar | 01:52 |
| wirechief | bodhi_zazen: for fixing broken packages | 01:53 |
| bodhi_zazen | Well, first, when removing a package | 01:53 |
| bodhi_zazen | you | 01:53 |
| bodhi_zazen | apt-get remove foo | 01:53 |
| bodhi_zazen | That *should* remove dependencies | 01:53 |
| bodhi_zazen | apt-get remove --purge foo | 01:53 |
| bodhi_zazen | removes foo and config files | 01:53 |
| bodhi_zazen | but NOT config files in $HOME | 01:54 |
| bodhi_zazen | Sometimes not all the dependencies are removed | 01:54 |
| bodhi_zazen | your system will notify you, in which case | 01:54 |
| bodhi_zazen | apt-get autoremove | 01:54 |
| bodhi_zazen | Fixing broken packages can be tough :) | 01:55 |
| d0htem | doesnt apt-get -f do the same as dpkg --remove | 01:55 |
| bodhi_zazen | I do not think so d0htem | 01:55 |
| bodhi_zazen | apt-get -f = force or fix broken | 01:55 |
| DasEi | how do I get the *deb name of a package, let's say firefox ? | 01:56 |
| bodhi_zazen | apt-cache serarch firefox | 01:56 |
| st33med | DasEi, it usually has a .deb at the end or some version numbers at the end + a deb | 01:56 |
| bodhi_zazen | dpkg --remove --force-depends will remove foo and it's depencencies | 01:56 |
| DasEi | I try to list ff's dependencies, like in this (outdated) sample : dpkg-deb -I packages/firefox_1.5.dfsg+1.5.0.1-1ubuntu12_i386.deb | 01:57 |
| bodhi_zazen | apt-cache showpackage firefox | 01:57 |
| DasEi | ah.. | 01:58 |
| wirechief | i had to use this; alternating with dpkg- --force-depends packagename then apt-get -f install until i finally got all the broken packages removed | 01:58 |
| d0htem | showpkg? | 01:58 |
| bodhi_zazen | yes | 01:58 |
| bodhi_zazen | sorry | 01:58 |
| bodhi_zazen | apt-cache showpkg firefox 05/14/09 6:58 PM Package: firefox Versions: Reverse Depends: xfig-doc,firefox webhttrack,firefox screenlets,firefox openoffice.org,firefox nip2,firefox mozilla-plugin-pcmanx,firefox mozilla-openoffice.org,firefox mozilla-nukeimage,firefox mozilla-noscript,firefox mozilla-imagezoom,firefox | 01:58 |
| DasEi | thatdid the trick, thx | 01:59 |
| bodhi_zazen | Well, if you have broken packages you can be in serious trouble | 01:59 |
| bodhi_zazen | usually happens when installing 3rd party .deb | 02:00 |
| * wirechief had a package of bandaids with me | 02:00 | |
| bodhi_zazen | Which gets back to , just because it is a .deb does not mean you should install it :) | 02:00 |
| wirechief | bodhi_zazen: well this was with using karmic (it will break things atm) | 02:00 |
| st33med | It could be a Debian .deb and break the system | 02:01 |
| bodhi_zazen | lol wirechief :) | 02:01 |
| bodhi_zazen | mixed repositories or pinning ? | 02:01 |
| bodhi_zazen | Our time is up :( | 02:01 |
| bodhi_zazen | I hope this was not too fast of an overview | 02:02 |
| wirechief | bodhi_zazen: actually have done the update-manager -d to get karmic, i am trying to get the leading edge fix | 02:02 |
| wirechief | for my intel | 02:02 |
| bodhi_zazen | package management can get complicated fast | 02:02 |
| bodhi_zazen | Ah :) | 02:02 |
| DasEi | was more then that, nice | 02:02 |
| wirechief | bodhi_zazen: i am basically testing freeze issues with intel and giving as much feedback to the people who are tracking the bug | 02:03 |
| bodhi_zazen | The intention of these sessions is education and if you all have a topic please add it to the list | 02:04 |
| bodhi_zazen | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BeginnersTeam/FocusGroups/Education/Proposals | 02:04 |
| wirechief | bodhi_zazen: thank you for your classroom session i plan on saving if for future references.. | 02:04 |
| bodhi_zazen | Obviously we can talk a whole hour on some of these topics :) | 02:04 |
| bodhi_zazen | we could do a session on installing from source :) | 02:05 |
| wirechief | ;) | 02:05 |
| bodhi_zazen | a whole session on testing / adding packages to Ubuntu , etc | 02:05 |
| st33med | bodhi_zazen, from a .tar or repository? Or both? | 02:05 |
| bodhi_zazen | i was thinking both statik | 02:06 |
| bodhi_zazen | st33med: :) | 02:06 |
| st33med | :D | 02:06 |
| d0htem | auto-complete for the lose :p | 02:06 |
| bodhi_zazen | first from repositories | 02:06 |
| bodhi_zazen | then resolving dependencies | 02:06 |
| bodhi_zazen | foo-dev | 02:06 |
| bodhi_zazen | build-essential | 02:06 |
| bodhi_zazen | and then .tar.gz | 02:06 |
| bodhi_zazen | of course that leads to things like gcc ... >:) | 02:07 |
| bodhi_zazen | OK, meet again in 2 weeks | 02:07 |
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| bodhi_zazen | I shall consider installing form source unless there are other suggestions :) | 02:07 |
| bodhi_zazen | nhandler: sorry if I botched package management too much :) | 02:08 |
| nhandler | No, you did a very nice job bodhi_zazen | 02:08 |
| st33med | It's my fault XD | 02:08 |
| d0htem | installing from source!! plz | 02:08 |
| wirechief | bodhi_zazen: i would like to see a course on compiling alsa driver for sound, many need updated drivers for their sound to work after upgrading or installing ubuntu new. | 02:08 |
| nhandler | It is difficult explaining package management in simple language | 02:08 |
| bodhi_zazen | OK next session - to the source :) | 02:09 |
| bodhi_zazen | I have to run, family time :) | 02:09 |
| bodhi_zazen | thank you everyone | 02:09 |
| wirechief | thanks bodhi_zazen | 02:10 |
| st33med | Say hey to the kiddos :D | 02:10 |
| bodhi_zazen | I think I need to bite off smaller topics and leave more time for questions :p | 02:10 |
| wirechief | ;) | 02:10 |
| * st33med thinks about setting up a Python tutorial again... | 02:10 | |
| d0htem | to hell with py! | 02:10 |
| st33med | HISSS | 02:10 |
| d0htem | .rb for the win | 02:11 |
| st33med | .py ftw | 02:11 |
| d0htem | die | 02:11 |
| st33med | no u | 02:11 |
| Daisuke_Ido | nice one st33med, you killed him. | 02:17 |
| st33med | yay | 02:17 |
| witcher | what is this room for? classes or queations | 02:50 |
| perlluver | classes mainly, I believe | 02:50 |
| witcher | oh ok ty | 02:50 |
| perlluver | yw | 02:50 |
| witcher | do you know what kind of classes | 02:50 |
| perlluver | a little bit of everything | 02:51 |
| perlluver | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Classroom | 02:51 |
| witcher | kk | 02:51 |
| perlluver | that might explain it better | 02:51 |
| witcher | k ty again | 02:51 |
| perlluver | no problem | 02:51 |
| witcher | i just installed ubuntu 2 days ago lol | 02:51 |
| perlluver | ah, congrats | 02:52 |
| witcher | so far i like it better than xp | 02:52 |
| witcher | ty | 02:52 |
| witcher | its just so differant | 02:52 |
| perlluver | it is | 02:52 |
| perlluver | you will get used to it eventually | 02:52 |
| witcher | i am running dual OS | 02:52 |
| witcher | i hope so | 02:52 |
| perlluver | that is good | 02:52 |
| witcher | i run xp for gamming lol | 02:53 |
| perlluver | if you don't like it you can always go back | 02:53 |
| witcher | true | 02:53 |
| perlluver | I used to, but I have been all Linux for about 3 years now | 02:53 |
| witcher | wow | 02:53 |
| perlluver | yeah it has been a fun ride | 02:53 |
| witcher | this installing is mostly waht gets me stuck | 02:53 |
| witcher | its differant | 02:54 |
| perlluver | it got me at first, but I have tried so many systems, that I can install without blinking now | 02:54 |
| nhandler | You guys might want to move this conversation to a different channel | 02:54 |
| perlluver | sorry nhandler | 02:54 |
| witcher | sorry | 02:54 |
| witcher | ty for the link perl | 02:55 |
| perlluver | yw | 02:55 |
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