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pittiGood morning06:58
MacSlowhey seb12808:32
seb128hello MacSlow08:33
pittihey seb12808:33
seb128hey pitti08:33
MacSlowMahlzeit pitti08:33
pittican I still use glade-3 to create gtk-builder files?08:33
pittior do I need a new tool for that?08:33
MacSlowpitti, I believe so08:33
MacSlowpitti, you can set in the project-preferences what output to create08:33
pittihm, there's a gtk-builder-convert program08:34
seb128pitti: why not?08:34
seb128pitti: gtk-builder is the new thing, why would they drop it?08:34
pittiseb128: I want to convert apport from glade to gtk.Builder08:34
pittiseb128: I just wondered about the GUI tool08:34
MacSlowpitti, just checked ... you can create gtkbuilder files with glade-308:35
pittiMacSlow: cool, thanks08:35
seb128glade-3 ask the format to use when you start it08:35
seb128default is gtkbuilder nowadays08:35
seb128you can also gtk-builder-convert the .glade08:35
MacSlowpitti, now that you mentioned it... did so some weeks ago08:35
pittigtk-builder-convert seems to do a reasonable job, though08:35
seb128it's done for that ;-)08:35
seb128there is no much difference between .glade and .ui anyway08:35
pittijust some renamed tags, apparently08:36
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MacSlowseb128, but the API is different :)08:36
seb128right, the idea was the basically get the .glade feature in gtk08:36
seb128they just did some adjustement on the way08:36
seb128MacSlow: right but conversion should be easy08:36
pittiI just finished the hal-sectomy of apport, so while I'm at cleaning old stuff, glade should go with it08:36
MacSlowseb128, never really looked at the pure xml of these to formats08:37
seb128pitti: http://library.gnome.org/devel/gtk/stable/gtk-migrating-GtkBuilder.html08:37
pittiseb128: htnaks08:37
pitti(urgh)08:37
seb128yuor welocme08:40
pittithe most important question isn't explained anywhere -- what's the file extension for gtkbuilder xml files? :-)08:40
seb128.ui08:41
pittiaah08:41
seb128dlocate .ui08:41
seb128you will see that most of GNOME use it nowadays ;-)08:41
seb128that's one of those "GNOME3 goals"08:42
pittiright, I wanted to do my share of converting apport and jockey08:42
pittiso that I'm not the one who will be responsible for keeping libglade in teh default install :)08:42
* seb128 hugs pitti08:43
seb128pitti: http://www.gnome.org/~fpeters/299.html btw08:44
didrocksmorning seb12808:44
seb128if you want some GNOME stats on all the cleaning08:44
seb128lut didrocks08:44
didrockslut pitti :)08:44
pittiwow, nice08:44
pittihey didrocks08:44
didrocksoh yes, glade-3 is handling nowdays GtkBuilder \o/08:49
didrocksshort time ago, it was not possible :)08:49
huatsmro,g everyone08:52
huatsoups08:52
huatsmorning !08:52
pittiwow, now that glade->builder conversion was easy08:56
slomoseb128: do you already have totem 2.27 in ubuntu?09:04
seb128slomo: not yet but robert_ancell is working on it, why?09:04
seb128lut huats09:04
seb128pitti: see ;-)09:04
slomoseb128: just wanted to know what the experience with it is :)09:05
seb128slomo: anything specific we should try?09:05
seb128slomo: I expect we will get quite some users unhappy about the lack of totem-xine09:06
huatsseb128: help me, I get spammed by millions of bugs handled by robert_ancell on anjuta :D09:06
robert_ancellhuats: mwuhahaha!09:06
seb128huats: unsubscribe? ;-)09:06
slomoseb128: oh, check out the new, fancy dvd support, switching between subtitles and different audio tracks of the same file during playback, chained ogg support, etc :)09:06
slomoseb128: nothing specific, just want to know if all the new stuff works good :)09:07
seb128ok, will give you feedback09:07
robert_ancellseb128: speaking of totem, can you look at lp:~robert-ancell/totem/ubuntu?  I can't work out how to make it conflict properly09:07
seb128DVD playing is still crap in jaunty09:07
slomoseb128: i don't think anybody will be unhappy that totem-xine is gone09:07
seb128robert_ancell: "conlict"?09:07
robert_ancellseb128: conflict/replace the old packages09:07
seb128slomo: I think people playing DVDs will09:07
seb128robert_ancell: what issue do you get exactly?09:08
robert_ancellslomo: I couldn't get totem 2.27 to play DVD for me09:08
slomoseb128: probably only until they test it with totem-gstreamer :)09:08
seb128slomo: until they run into bugs like http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=57556809:08
robert_ancellseb128: hang on, will get dpkg log for you09:08
ubottuGnome bug 575568 in don't know "no sound when playing a dvd" [Normal,Unconfirmed]09:08
seb128"It looks like this is because the DVD is a music concert, with an LPCM09:09
seb128(uncompressed audio) track. ResinDVD currently only supports AC3 audio tracks,"09:09
slomorobert_ancell: that's good to know... do you have gst-plugins-bad installed? and which versions of gstreamer and gst-plugins-base?09:09
seb128slomo: gstreamer is getting better but is till not there yet09:09
seb128at least no sound on some DVD is a stopper for me09:10
slomoseb128: i can look at fixing that bug later (but i don't have such a dvd so someone else needs to try it)09:10
seb128that would rock ;-)09:10
seb128let me know if you need testing, I've some of those09:10
robert_ancellslomo: gst-plugins-bad 0.10.11-2ubuntu109:10
slomorobert_ancell: too ancient, you want 0.10.11.2 :)09:11
robert_ancellslomo: ok, will need to update karmic packages then09:11
chrisccoulsonheh. i use totem-xine in jaunty ;)09:12
* robert_ancell wishes bugzilla.gnome.org would get better software/hardware09:18
robert_ancellseb128: http://paste.ubuntu.com/172851/09:19
seb128robert_ancell: oh09:20
robert_ancellI can't seem to convince dpkg to uninstall all the old packages and then install the new ones09:21
seb128robert_ancell: debuild clean?09:24
seb128robert_ancell: your control in bzr is outdated compared to control.in09:24
robert_ancellI was building with bzr-buildpackage, does that update it?09:25
seb128no09:25
robert_ancelldamn09:25
seb128debuild clean to update it09:25
seb128diff -u control.in control09:25
seb128and see the difference ;-)09:25
seb128slomo: btw is there a reason why you upload gstreamer pre-versions to experimental rather than unstable?09:28
robert_ancellyeah, for some reason I thought it was being applied by bzr-buildpackage - because changing the control.in stopped the -xine.deb being built09:28
seb128robert_ancell: that's the .install and rules changes which did that09:29
robert_ancellAhh ok09:29
didrocksseb128, robert_ancell : DEB_AUTO_UPDATE_DEBIAN_CONTROL=yes debclean -d is better (-d because some clean target can fail if some files aren't found)09:29
didrocksrobert_ancell: once again, all is written at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam/Bzr :)09:29
robert_ancellseb128: I'm finishing up now, do you want to take over the remaining changes for totem?  I'm flying out on Monday so I wont have any time to work on it09:30
seb128you don't need a binary-post-install for each binary I think, you could call it once with specifying a package09:30
* robert_ancell is currently in a state of information overload. It will take some time to absorb the Wiki :)09:30
seb128robert_ancell: if I've time today I will look at it, otherwise it can wait09:30
seb128I've been trying to get some sponsoring help but seems other people are too busy for that this week09:31
didrocksrobert_ancell: hehe, it's understandable ;)09:31
robert_ancellseb128: I copied that off gnome-games, I'm a bit hazy in the current state of Python .deb packaging09:31
seb128didrocks: what does DEB_AUTO_UPDATE_DEBIAN_CONTROL=yes do? is that an environment thing?09:31
robert_ancellhuats: The update flood has ended :)09:31
seb128robert_ancell: ok, I don't know the python package new policy well either, that will work for sure so let it this way09:31
robert_ancellI'm needed elsewhere, see you guys in person next week!09:32
slomoseb128: yes, in the past people complained because often uploading stuff blocked transitions ;)09:32
seb128robert_ancell: have a good weekend and travel to spain09:33
seb128see you next week!09:33
didrocksseb128: my understanding is that it says basically "ignore build-depends not present on my computer"09:33
seb128slomo: bah, people want unstable to be stable ... ;-)09:33
didrocksseb128: but to get it taken into account into my host, I have to add -d option09:33
seb128didrocks: ok, so no interest if debuild clean works09:33
seb128(which should always be the case on the box where you build the package since build-depends are there for the build)09:34
didrocksseb128: exctly :)09:34
seb128but could be handy if you work on a box and use pbuilder to build for example09:34
didrocksseb128: yes09:34
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slomoseb128: are all gstreamer packages in sync with ubuntu now btw?10:22
seb128slomo: let me look10:24
seb128gstreamer0.10-ffmpeg isn't10:25
seb128but I guess we can sync it, doing that now10:25
seb128I just backported http://launchpadlibrarian.net/23776863/gstreamer0.10-ffmpeg_0.10.6.2-1_0.10.6.2-1ubuntu1.diff.gz before jaunty10:25
seb128and that's in the new version10:25
slomook :)10:26
seb128slomo: and gst-plugins-bad0.10 is not10:27
seb128otherwise everything else is in sync10:27
slomoseb128: ok, what's the delta in -bad?10:29
seb128slomo: http://launchpadlibrarian.net/23125176/gst-plugins-bad0.10_0.10.10-1_0.10.10-1ubuntu1.diff.gz is the only change there10:29
seb128we spoke about it briefly before jaunty I think10:29
slomoseb128: ah, please sync gst-plugins-bad and gst-plugins-good from experimental then :) also, do you have gst-plugins-base 0.10.23-2? if not that would be good to have before totem 2.27, otherwise people will complain :)10:30
seb128slomo: ok, those are synced now, the whole gstreamer stack is in sync now, thanks for your work there ;-)10:34
slomoseb128: thank you for syncing it all :)10:37
seb128slomo: btw do you know what is to blame for the bug about totem hitting an xerror (xvimagesink code usually) on some videocard and drivers when using compiz?10:42
seb128I'm never sure what to do about that10:42
slomousually it's a driver bug10:42
seb128the xorg guys tend to blame it on the software saying that it should handle better those cases and not crash, fallback to x11 or something if required10:44
seb128slomo: could you add this change to libunique in debian?11:03
seb128clean::11:03
seb128        [ -s po/unique.pot ] || rm -f po/unique.pot11:03
seb128it should not make a difference for debian and that's the only difference with ubuntu right now11:04
seb128the translation magic doesn't like the empty template11:04
dholbachheya seb12811:25
seb128hello dholbach, how are you?11:25
dholbachdiverse_izzue is working on the tracker package - he said you sent him to #ubuntu-motu! :-)11:25
dholbachgood good - TGIF!11:25
dholbachhow 'bout you?11:25
crevette_hey dholbach11:26
dholbachheya crevette_!11:26
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seb128dholbach: not sure what he's trying to do on it, I sent him to #ubuntu-motu for questions about updating patches11:27
dholbachno worries11:27
chrisccoulsontracker? what's happening to the tracker package?11:27
dholbachhe's struggling with the autotools.patch or something11:28
seb128dholbach: but tracker is already being handled by chrisccoulson there so this guy should be careful to not duplicate work11:28
dholbachright11:28
seb128chrisccoulson: apparently this guy wants to try 0.6.9411:28
seb128chrisccoulson: so he tried to build a local version and had issues updating the autotools chnage11:28
chrisccoulsonah, ok. but 0.6.94 doesn't give that much over 0.6.93 really11:28
seb128hey diverse_izzue11:28
diverse_izzuehi seb12811:29
dholbachdiverse_izzue: you can have a chat with chrisccoulson - he's mostly taking care of the package - if you want an "easier" update, have a chat with seb128, he hast the best overview over what needs doing in desktop land :)11:29
diverse_izzuedholbach: thx11:30
dholbach#ubuntu-desktop is a fun place to be and I hope you'll enjoy doing some packaging here :)11:31
chrisccoulsonit is a fun place to be :)11:31
diverse_izzuehi chrisccoulson11:31
dholbachchrisccoulson: when are you applying for MOTU?11:31
dholbachdid I ask already? :)11:31
chrisccoulsondholbach - i'm working on that. i'll try and do it at the weekend;)11:32
diverse_izzuechrisccoulson: so the story is i'm trying to update jaunty's tracker package to 0.9.94 and fail to update the 99_autotools.patch11:32
chrisccoulsonhi diverse_izzue11:32
dholbachchrisccoulson: that's what we like to hear :)11:32
chrisccoulsondiverse_izzue - is this for a SRU or just for yourself locally?11:32
chrisccoulsonthe 99_autotools.patch should just update by running "autoreconf -f -i"11:33
diverse_izzuechrisccoulson: this is just what i chose to be my first packaging experiment11:33
chrisccoulsonyou might have to delete the old patch and start again though. the existing patch might not apply if they modified the build system11:33
diverse_izzuethe existing patch does not apply, that's why i'm trying to update it11:34
chrisccoulsondiverse_izzue - just delete it and start again - that's easiest;)11:34
diverse_izzueproblem is, autoreconf: automake failed with exit status: 111:34
chrisccoulsonhmmmm11:34
chrisccoulsoni could try that, but i can't do it until i get home from work11:34
seb128pitti: could you tried to wave bug #372746 in, it re-add a change dropped by mistake in the previous jaunty-updates update11:35
ubottuLaunchpad bug 372746 in gnome-settings-daemon "gnome-settings-daemon vs OO.o fonts" [Low,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/37274611:35
chrisccoulsoni don't thin they changed much in the build system in 0.6.94. the only thing i know they changed is to disable the push modules by default11:35
seb128tried -> try11:35
diverse_izzuechrisccoulson: just to verify i'm doing everything right. after copying the debian folder over to the new source tree, i apply all patches before the 99_autotools.patch one using quilt push 11_whatever.patch. then i try to execute autoreconf.11:36
chrisccoulsononce you've done that, you need to do "quilt new 99_autotools.patch" (assuming you deleted the old patch), then add all the files to the patch (find | xargs quilt add), then run "autoreconf -f -i"11:37
chrisccoulsonthat should work ok11:37
diverse_izzuechrisccoulson: deleting the old patch is as easy as rm 99_autotools.patch?11:38
chrisccoulsondiverse_izzue - you might need to remove it from debian/patches/series too as I think quilt new will fail11:38
chrisccoulsonyou picked a good package to start with - quilt is really nice to use :-/11:38
chrisccoulsonseb128 likes quilt too ;)11:39
chrisccoulsonlol11:39
diverse_izzuedo i sense irony there?11:39
chrisccoulsonsarcasm ;)11:39
chrisccoulsonquilt is quite horrific to use for some tasks11:40
chrisccoulsondiverse_izzue - i don't think tracker 0.6.94 fixes any common issues that users are complaining about at the moment though11:41
chrisccoulsondo you use tracker?11:41
diverse_izzuechrisccoulson: yes i do11:41
crevettehello others as well11:41
chrisccoulsondo you have the issue with index corruption and the repeated notification that won't go away?11:42
diverse_izzueno, it runs quite fine actually. sometimes the tracker-applet crashes, else fine11:42
diverse_izzuechrisccoulson: it's really just  a random pick for first experiments, as good as any other package11:42
chrisccoulsonah, ok. i was going to ask you to help test a patch;)11:42
diverse_izzuechrisccoulson: what do you use as pastebin? can i put the output of autoreconf -i -f there?11:44
diverse_izzuechrisccoulson: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/172921/11:45
seb128chrisccoulson: one of the debian pkg-gnome guy added a patch to the bts to have a quilt command doing the equivalent of the other edit-patch commands11:46
chrisccoulsonseb128 - that's useful to knwo11:47
chrisccoulsondiverse_izzue - i'm not sure why that fails yet. mind if i take a look at that when i get home from work just after lunch?11:48
* chrisccoulson loves fridays11:48
diverse_izzuechrisccoulson: that'd be great11:48
chrisccoulsoncool11:48
diverse_izzuei'll try to be around, or at least pop in later in the afternoon11:49
chrisccoulsonno problem. i finish work at 1pm uk time and then it takes me about 25min to drive home afterwards11:50
diverse_izzuein uk it's 11:50 now?11:51
chrisccoulsonyeah, that's right11:51
diverse_izzuegotcha. cu later then.11:51
diverse_izzuethanks for the help11:51
chrisccoulsonyou're welcome11:51
chrisccoulsonanyone noticed any dbus issues in jaunty?12:43
chrisccoulsonlike messages timing out and things12:43
pittiseb128: will have a look12:58
seb128chrisccoulson: what sort of issue or timeout exactly?12:58
seb128pitti: thanks12:58
chrisccoulsonseb128 - sometimes when an application puts a lot of data on the session bus, everything on the desktop that relies on the session bus stops working and never recovers13:01
chrisccoulsonit's really wierd, and not all that repeatable13:01
chrisccoulsoni noticed dbus-daemon consuming a lot of memory too (900MB)13:02
seb128nop, didn't notice any of those13:02
chrisccoulsoni suppose i should run it through valgrind really if i can trigger it again13:02
seb128but I doubt I've "an application puts a lot of data on the session bus"13:02
chrisccoulsonseb128 - tracker does that;)13:02
chrisccoulsonit's terrible for spamming the session bus13:03
seb128I'm not using it, it's putting a lot of ios on the disk for sure which is enough ;-)13:03
chrisccoulsoni might ask upstream if they would consider using p2p links instead13:03
chrisccoulsonseb128 - tracker 0.7.x is supposed to perform much better with regards to IO;)13:03
seb128how?13:03
seb128I though the issue was inotify13:03
crevettehey, if someone has time for https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/bugs/373199, 2.26.0 was already pushed to karmic, it just need the same package except removing the Depends on gnome-bluetooth-2.27.013:04
ubottuUbuntu bug 373199 in gnome-user-share "Update gnome-user-share to stable relase " [Undecided,New]13:04
chrisccoulsonno idea. upstream say they've noticed a welcome performance improvement after removing all the qdbm code13:04
chrisccoulsoni haven't tried it out yet though, so I can't say how much better it is13:04
seb128I'm waiting to see ;-)13:04
seb128for sure tracker is getting work nowadays so it should become better13:05
chrisccoulsonthe new version should resolve a lot of the issues that users currently complain about, particularly the index corruption problems13:05
seb128we could perhaps reconsider installing it by default in karmic13:06
seb128karmic is going to be the cycle where all the rewrote and changes land anyway13:06
seb128ie *kit, e-d-s to dbus, plymouth, etc13:06
seb128I'm pondering trying to push the new gdm too now, especially if next cycle is a lts13:07
chrisccoulsonseb128 - i'm not sure about installing it by default in karmic. i need to speak with upstream really and see how confident they are of having a solid stable release in time, considering the changes in 0.7.x are pretty significant13:07
chrisccoulsonit might be good to let the dust settle and install it by default in karmic+113:07
crevetteit's time to use ext4 by default then, in order to have change in the full stack13:08
seb128well my logic is that we need to land changes this cycle if we want those in the lts13:08
crevette:)13:08
chrisccoulsonseb128 - that's a fair point. some of the new stuff this cycle sounds interesting13:08
seb128we don't want to get tracker on by default in a lts cycle without testing it before13:08
seb128so either it's this cycle and we have testing feedback and can evaluate it for lts13:08
seb128or it's after the lts13:08
chrisccoulsoncrevette - i recently converted to ext4 and now i see frequent lockups when deleting files :(13:08
crevettechrisccoulson, yeah I'll wait few cycle before using that13:09
seb128crevette: I don't see the point of being crack addict on filesystem really13:09
seb128you expect those to be stable13:09
crevetteseb128, yeah me too13:09
seb128crevette: you are the one suggesting the change though ;-)13:09
crevetteseb128, there was a :-) two lines below13:10
seb128no, there was a ":)" ;-)13:10
chrisccoulsonseb128 - i'm going to work on getting tracker 0.7 in karmic over the next few days. uploading after you guys come back from UDS might be good timing though, as I spoke to mbiebl who maintains it in debian and he says it crashes a lot at the moment in its current state ;)13:10
seb128chrisccoulson: ok, good13:10
chrisccoulsoni'm still working on a jaunty SRU for tracker at the moment though13:11
seb128trying to fix what? the index corruption?13:11
chrisccoulsonseb128 - we can't fix the index corruption in jaunty. i'm trying to fix the issue where the error notification repeatedly appears and can't be dismissed13:15
chrisccoulsonthe problem is is that i can't recreate the issue here and the people that are experiencing it are being somewhat less then co-operative with providing useful information ;)13:16
seb128don't spend too much time on jaunty srus13:16
seb128I would recommend uninstalling tracker on jaunty13:16
chrisccoulsonyeah, it does have a lot of issues in jaunty13:17
seb128you will not realistically get it great there13:17
seb128so better to focus on getting it in shape in karmic than patchworking jaunty13:17
seb128and tell to jaunty users that the current version is not ready and they should better not use it if they have issues13:18
chrisccoulsoni think that the current package in my PPA will make it better for users experiencing the issues (it actually reindexes properly without the user having to do anything and shouldn't spam the user with lots of error notifications), but i'm having difficulty finding people to test it now13:20
chrisccoulsoni think most people already got fed up of it and uninstalled it;)13:20
diverse_izzuechrisccoulson: ...or they are quite happy with the one currently in the repos. 0.6.93 runs quite stably for me, at least the indexer works very well now13:22
seb128chrisccoulson: as said don't spend to much efforts on that imho, better focussing on having the new version stable13:22
chrisccoulsonseb128 - yeah, i'll do that.13:23
chrisccoulsondiverse_izzue - the jaunty version has quite a lot of issues still;)13:23
chrisccoulsonright, i've got to go anyway. time for me to go home13:23
seb128chrisccoulson: see you later13:24
seb128pitti: apparently you didn't merge your notify-osd changes before jaunty in bzr?13:47
seb128notify-osd (0.9.11-0ubuntu3) jaunty; urgency=low13:47
seb128  * Correctly check for multihead_mode, to make bubbles always appear on the13:47
seb128    primary screen. Cherrypicked from trunk. (LP: #331369)13:47
seb128pitti: this change is not in lp:~ubuntu-desktop/notify-osd/ubuntu13:48
pittiseb128: it's in bzr+ssh://bazaar.launchpad.net/%7Eubuntu-desktop/notify-osd/notify-osd-jaunty/13:51
pittisorry, seems I forgot to update Vcs-Bzr:13:51
seb128notify-osd-jaunty?13:51
seb128should that be merged in ubuntu too?13:51
pittithere unfortunately was some confusion, and notify-osd got changes which weren't appropriate for jaunty at that time13:52
seb128I'm not sure why you changed the bzr there?13:52
pittiso I left that in the "packaging trunk" for kamic, and created a jaunty branch13:52
pittiseb128: it should be merged, yes13:52
seb128ok, makes sense now13:52
seb128thanks13:52
pittiI can't remember exactly any more, I'm afraid13:52
pittibut yes, the jaunty branch shoudl be merged into trunk13:53
seb128ok thanks13:53
seb128agateau was asking me about it13:53
seb128they try to work on a sru13:53
pittiyeah, I warned them to request them on the LP bugs before starting to work on it :)13:53
seb128and that created some confusion, we are good now13:53
seb128thanks!13:53
pittisorry for the mess13:54
seb128pitti: yeah, he was just trying to figure was bzr revision was used in jaunty13:54
seb128don't worry, bzr doesn't make things always easier we know that ;-)13:54
chrisccoulsondiverse_izzue - i just tried running autoreconf on tracker-0.6.94 here, and it works ok14:08
diverse_izzuechrisccoulson: this is not fair!14:08
tjaaltonhmm, polkit-auth doesn't list org.fd.hal.power-management when I'm logged in, perhaps that's why the menus don't have any entries to suspend etc?14:08
tjaaltonon karmic14:08
chrisccoulsontjaalton - hasn't the power stuff been disabled in hal now?14:09
chrisccoulsonpitti will know ;)14:09
pittino, it hasn't been disabled14:09
pittiit's just not used any more by g-p-m14:09
tjaaltonok, so what does g-p-m use?14:09
pittidevicekit-power14:10
tjaaltonoh wait, devicekit-power14:10
pittitjaalton: that's still strange, you shuold still have those privileges14:10
tjaaltonso, it doesn't seem to work here :)14:10
pittiI do have suspend/hibernate in the shutdown menu14:10
pittipolkit-auth|grep power-management has them all14:10
tjaaltonempty14:11
pittiugh14:11
pittitjaalton: check ck-list-sessions ?14:11
tjaaltonis-local =TRUE14:11
tjaaltonoh14:11
pittiactive = TRUE ?14:11
tjaaltonactive = FALSE14:11
pittithat'd be it14:11
tjaaltonheh14:11
chrisccoulsondiverse_izzue - could you run "autoreconf -f -i -v" to get more output?14:12
tjaaltonpitti: ok, found the problem. I had gdm on tty114:18
pittitjaalton: hm, why woudl that break CK?14:19
diverse_izzuechrisccoulson: done, http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/173011/14:19
tjaaltonpitti: beats me..14:19
tjaaltonpitti: perhaps this would help? http://cvs.fedoraproject.org/viewvc/devel/ConsoleKit/ConsoleKit-0.3.0-get-vt-from-display-instead-of-controlling-tty.patch?revision=1.1&view=markup14:22
pittitjaalton: btw, do you guys plan to upload -intel 2.7.1 to karmic soon? right now it's just in the jaunty -updates repo, right?14:22
pittitjaalton: by the name of it it might indeed14:22
tjaaltonpitti: last I heard was that bryce was working on it14:22
pitti*sigh* I wish John would apply patches that get sent to him14:23
chrisccoulsondiverse_izzue - do you have gtk-doc-tools installed?14:25
tjaaltonpitti: ok, bug 375877 now has consolekit too, so close that part if/when you add it :)14:25
ubottuLaunchpad bug 375877 in upstart "Move *dm to VT1" [Undecided,Invalid] https://launchpad.net/bugs/37587714:25
pittitjaalton: thanks14:25
pittitjaalton: well, the boot flicker is pretty irrelevant with KMS, right? It's mainly an issue for older drivers which won't get ported to KMS, I guess?14:26
chrisccoulsonor closed ones like nvidia;)14:26
diverse_izzuechrisccoulson: installed it and now autoreconf passes!14:26
tjaaltonpitti: there's a state change even with krm14:26
tjaaltonuh14:26
tjaalton*kms14:26
chrisccoulsondiverse_izzue - cool:)14:26
diverse_izzueindeed. so the procedure is to first create a new patch using quilt, then add all files to that patch, then call autoreconf, and then use quilt to update that patch?14:27
chrisccoulsonthat is sometimes what i do. but you have to be careful that autoreconf might create new files, and these won't get added to the patch14:28
diverse_izzuechrisccoulson: ...the safe way would be what then?14:29
chrisccoulsonsometimes i create a copy of the source directory (with all patches applied), run autoreconf in one, then create a diff and use that as the patch14:29
diverse_izzuei'll try the easy version first :-) so much to learn.14:30
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seb128chrisccoulson: are you still working on some merges out of trackeR?14:36
chrisccoulsoni'm not doing anything specific with tracker just yet14:37
seb128ok so remove the tracker part14:37
seb128are you working on some merges still? ;-)14:37
seb128gnome-panel I think14:38
seb128I'm not sure if you said you would do gnome-applets too14:38
diverse_izzuechrisccoulson: so now i have a patch that quilt complains "does not remove cleanly". might i have run in the kind of situation you were mentioning?14:38
chrisccoulsonah, yes. i've still to finish gnome-panel. it's pretty much there, but the delta to debian is huge14:38
chrisccoulsonand yes, gnome-applets is on my list14:38
seb128ok excellent14:38
seb128chrisccoulson: I know the delta is not trivial, thanks for taking over the task ;-)14:38
chrisccoulsoni think the gnome-panel delta looks worse than it really is because of the all the indicator-applet and fusa migration stuff. and debian have some patches that we're not really interested in too14:39
chrisccoulsonhmmm, there's no version 1.3 for gvfs listed on bugzilla.gnome.org :-/14:40
seb128yeah, I quickly copy autotools, etc change over to have a sane diff when I work on such changes14:40
seb128that's because there is no 1.3 tarball14:40
seb128use trunk14:40
seb128the karmic version is a git snapshot14:40
chrisccoulsonseb128- thanks14:42
chrisccoulsondiverse_izzue - did you run "quilt refresh" before trying to remove the patch ;)14:42
chrisccoulsonit's a common pitfall with quilt14:42
* pitti ponders http://launchpadlibrarian.net/26754645/buildlog_ubuntu-karmic-amd64.gnome-power-manager_2.26.1-0ubuntu2_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz14:42
pittinone of libgnomeui, gnome-panel, libbonoboui has been updated recenlty14:43
chrisccoulsoni thought a lot of gnome stuff dropped dependencies on libgnomeui?14:43
chrisccoulsonare you sure it really needs it?14:43
pittichrisccoulson: it might be obsolete, I'll check it14:44
pittiI just updated the apport hook, so I didn't do a lot of other checks14:44
chrisccoulsoni don't think g-p-m needs libgnomeui (although that doesn't solve the issue with libgnomeui, but it might mean you can build g-p-m)14:45
chrisccoulsonthere's no check for gnomeui in g-p-m's configure.ac14:45
chrisccoulsoni think that dependency has gone14:45
pitticool14:45
seb128pitti: just retry it, I bet it's anything under it in the stack having arch any all mismatch between i386 and amd64 builds14:45
pittiah, perhaps14:46
seb128anything -> something14:46
pittiseb128: but indeed, isntead of retrying I'll throw out the obsolete build deps14:46
pittiyay cruft removal :)14:46
seb128right14:46
* seb128 always diff configure.{ac,in} between versions14:46
chrisccoulsonyeah, i just did that now14:46
seb128we should have a hook for that somewhere14:47
chrisccoulsongnomeui was required in 2.24 but not in 2.26 now14:47
seb128I did the configure.{ac,in}, debdiff debs and check symbols for each uploads14:47
seb128do we have a clever way we could hook those with bzr-buildpackage?14:47
seb128and also look to the NEWS and copy that to changelog ;-)14:48
chrisccoulsonthat would be nice, although not everything in NEWS is interesting14:48
seb128well, copy then you can clean14:48
seb128I usually take changes which are not translations14:48
seb128I've a small bit of code which indent and clean the (....) at the end of each lines14:49
seb128those are usually upstream bug numbers of names, which we don't care about in the changelog14:49
seb128"or"14:49
pittichrisccoulson: hah, doesn't help; libpanel-applet2-dev depends: libgnomeui-dev, and g-p-m needs the former14:53
chrisccoulson:(14:54
pittibut at least it doesn't explicitly mention it any more14:54
chrisccoulsonthat's a shame14:54
pittiand I'm pretty sure that the panel still uses at least bonobo14:54
chrisccoulsonyeah, it does unfortunately14:54
seb128chrisccoulson: you just won ubuntu-desktop membership congrats ;-)15:01
chrisccoulsonseb128 - thanks:)15:01
seb128will make easier for you to work on desktop updates, you can push directly to the team bzr now15:02
chrisccoulsonthanks15:02
* pitti hugs chrisccoulson, you do amazing work!15:02
seb128you're welcome, thank you for the good work ;-)15:02
* chrisccoulson hugs pitti and seb12815:02
* seb128 hugs chrisccoulson and pitti15:02
pittihugfest!15:03
seb128desktop team hug ;-)15:03
* pitti hugs seb128 and chrisccoulson15:03
chrisccoulsonpitti - that dependency issue appears to be related to libesd-alsa015:03
chrisccoulson"libesd-alsa0: Depends: esound-common (>= 0.2.41-3) but it is not going to be installed"15:03
pittichrisccoulson: OMG, is that thing still alive?15:03
chrisccoulsonyeah, seems so15:04
seb128can we get ride of this?15:04
chrisccoulsoni just tried it in a karmic chroot15:04
* pitti prepares a Verteron pulse and directs it against esound15:04
seb128I guess libgnome still use libesd for sound events15:04
chrisccoulsonseb128 - it seems so15:04
pittiseb128: didn't we have a patch like ages ago to make libgnome use aplay? :-)15:04
seb128ring a bell ;-)15:04
chrisccoulsonis there no documentation for gvfs? i can't find any in the source tree15:11
seb128what are you trying to do exactly?15:13
seb128the user side is mostly gio which is in glib15:13
chrisccoulsoni'm trying to debug a crash at the moment15:13
seb128gvfs is mostly a set of backends for access other locations through gio15:14
chrisccoulsonupstream will probably have it fixed before i've worked out what's going on though ;)15:14
seb128accessing15:14
seb128anything special you are looking for? in which code does it crash?15:15
chrisccoulsongvfsd-computer crashes for me on startup with gvfs-gdu-volume-monitor, but works ok with the gvfs-hal-volume-monitor15:17
seb128chrisccoulson: http://library.gnome.org/devel/gio/unstable is mostly the gio, gvfs documentation15:17
seb128chrisccoulson: I was having https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gvfs/+bug/376145 yesterday on my desktop in case that's a similar issue15:18
ubottuUbuntu bug 376145 in gvfs "gvfs-gdu-volume-monitor crashed with SIGSEGV in gdu_pool_get_presentables()" [Medium,Triaged]15:18
seb128but opening an upstream bug is usually a good strategy for gvfs bugs, they are responsive15:18
seb128or try #nautilus on irc.gnome.org15:18
chrisccoulsonyeah, i think that's a different crash. the one i'm seeing is http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=58277215:19
ubottuGnome bug 582772 in computer backend "gvfsd-computer crashes with SIGSEGV in recompute_files" [Critical,Unconfirmed]15:19
seb128chrisccoulson: "        filename = 0x1557990 "ð\030V\001"" is weird15:22
chrisccoulsonseb128 - i don't think that filename is initialized to anything at the point it crashes15:23
seb128        basename = 0x015:23
seb128is the issue I guess15:23
chrisccoulsonyeah, that's the issue. that happens because g_drive_get_name (file->drive) returns that15:24
chrisccoulsonbut that's as far as i got ;)15:24
seb128chrisccoulson: you can talk to davidz on #gnome-hackers he's the one working on that and usually responsive15:25
seb128you can try to see what name is listed in gvfs-mount -li too15:26
chrisccoulsonyeah, i might pop over there in a bit. i don't want to pester him too much - i expect he's already quite busy;)15:26
chrisccoulsoni'll have a look at the output of gvfs-mount -li in a second - just need to boot the machine again15:27
chrisccoulsonseb128 - my floppy drive has no name according to the output of gvfs-mount -li15:30
seb128lol15:30
chrisccoulsoni really need to get rid of that!15:30
seb128the floppy drive is stricking back ;-)15:30
chrisccoulson"Drive(0): (null)"15:30
chrisccoulsonthanks, i'll add that to the bugzilla15:31
seb128you're welcome15:31
seb128I guess those informations are mostly coming from devicekit15:32
pittiwhat's a floppy drive?15:32
seb128dunno if you can lskit in some way though15:32
pittiyes, devkit-disks --dump should have it15:32
chrisccoulsonpitti - according to devkit-disks, there is no vendor or model name for my floppy drive15:35
chrisccoulsonthat'll be the problem then ;)15:35
diverse_izzuechrisccoulson: OMG it built! thanks for your patience!15:35
chrisccoulsongood stuff diverse_izzue15:36
diverse_izzuei know - small step for humanity :-)15:36
pittiseb128: so, we want bug 351577 ?16:03
ubottuLaunchpad bug 351577 in libpst "MIR - libpst" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/35157716:03
seb128pitti: well it's a feature which has been listed in GNOME 2.26 notes and that some users and press article wondered why it was not working in jaunty16:03
seb128I'm not looking for extra work really but apparently that's something some users rely on16:04
pittiokay16:04
crevettedoes someone think having bluetooth service starting on bluetooth devices add and removal (managed by udev) is something to have?16:07
seb128that would be nice to not have those running if you have no bluetooth devices16:08
crevetteyeah, I seen people requesting that16:09
crevettefedora did that, and and udev rules (that I don't know)  seems quite simple16:09
seb128cool16:09
crevettethe tricky part is the init script which seems to me complicated16:10
dobeyseb128, pitti: do either of you have any idea why setup.py would complain about --build-base ?16:33
pittiI've never seen that16:35
dobeypitti: http://launchpadlibrarian.net/26766895/buildlog_ubuntu-jaunty-i386.ubuntuone-client_0.90.1-0%2Br17-0~ubuntu.9.04_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz16:40
dobeycd . && python setup.py build --build-base="/build/buildd/ubuntuone-client-0.90.1-0+r17/./build"16:40
dobeyusage: setup.py [global_opts] cmd1 [cmd1_opts] [cmd2 [cmd2_opts] ...]16:40
dobey:(16:40
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pittiseb128: grabbing totem-pl-parser17:06
seb128pitti: thanks!17:06
pittioh, robert creates his own branches instead of committing to ~ubuntu-desktop17:10
pittiseb128: ^ did you ask him to?17:10
seb128pitti: no17:12
seb128pitti: but I think he started on that before that you added him to the ubuntu-desktop team on launchpad17:12
pittiah, perhaps17:12
pittiseb128: you commented on g-python-extras, doing that yourself?17:14
* pitti grabs sane-backends17:14
seb128pitti: yes, I will review it in a bit again17:14
crevettewow, phoronix tells 9.10 alpha-1 is 100% pure sugar in regads of 9.0417:16
crevette"Muxixam performance" as would say Zorglub :)17:17
crevette"Mumixam" rather (/me has problem with zorglang)17:17
localgod11I was trying to install lirc and something has gone very wrong now when I install anything i get pastebin.com/mef7fd5117:31
seb128use #ubuntu for user questions17:35
localgod11tried that no love there17:36
pittiok, that's it for today17:38
pittihave a nice weekend, and see you in Barcelona!17:38
pittiI'll shut down my IRC proxy, won't have time for that I guess17:39
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loolseb128: Would you mind syncing esound over from Debian incoming?  it's likely to fix the build issue on i386 which breaks all ubuntu livefs builds18:14
seb128lool: looking18:15
loolI didn't actually test built it without network, but saw no download in my squid log18:15
seb128lool: synced18:21
seb128lool: ok, it built on i386 now18:34
tedgdobey: BTW, you might look at the python script that was done for the Breathe icon set.  It's similar to icontool but handles cropping the SVG images as well.  lp:breathe-icon-set18:40
tedgdobey: Or atleast the render part of icontool18:41
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loolseb128: thanks!19:00
mpontilloSo I'm trying to do a simple Debian merge, and there is a conflict in 99_autoreconf.patch. Is the best way to resolve this to [do a temp hack to the quilt-based package to support the apply-pathces target and] drop into a cdbs-edit-patch shell, then run "autoreconf -i -v" and remove the autom4te.cache?20:22
seb128mpontillo: that's a good way20:25
seb128mpontillo: other way is to push the patch before that in the serie, copy the dir manually, autoreconf, clean cach, diff and copy the patch to the package source20:25
mpontillothanks seb128. it sounds like there is a need for quilt-edit-patch script? ;) (or in this case, quilt-replace-patch, I suppose...)20:29
seb128right20:29
seb128having cdbs-edit-patch working on quilt packages would be nice20:29
seb128there is a debian quilt bug which has been recently opened with a such change apparently too20:30
mpontilloI don't think it would be too difficult. just run the patch target instead of apply-patches?20:30
crevetteheya20:30
mpontillo(if quilt is the what-patch)20:30
mpontillo... I suppose the only twist might be if patch order was important, and the series file was different than the sorted contents of debian/patches?20:32
seb128right20:33
mpontillothink the ltmain.sh --as-needed patch we've got everywhere will ever be incorporated into libtool?20:35
seb128I've no clue about that20:38
seb128that's a good question of upstream rather20:38
brycetjaalton, pitti: I rolled the 2.7.1 merge for x-updates but since we were frozen, and since I figured debian would have it packaged soon, I figured I'd wait.  But I didn't get around to it yesterday, and I'm off today and traveling monday so won't get to it before spain.21:48
brycetjaalton: on the other hand, I figure we're likely to pull in 2.8 rc stuff following uds, so 2.7.1 would have a pretty short life ;-)21:50
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nrghello22:26
nrgI have an Hardy box that I can't manually start gnome-volume-manager on.22:29
nrgIt exits 0 and no verbosity.22:30
nrgI am running it with:22:30
nrggnome-volume-manager --sm-disable -n22:30
nrgI have a feeling that this is a dbus issues.  Any suggestions on what to look at?22:31
chrisccoulsonnrg - you should probable try #ubuntu for support22:44
chrisccoulsonwhy you want to run g-v-m on hardy though?22:45
chrisccoulsonand are you sure it exits? does it not just daemonize?22:46
chrisccoulson(not sure, as I have never looked at the g-v-m code)22:46
nrgchrisccoulson: g-v-m is an app requirement and it exits immediately with the '-n' switch23:13
nrgchrisccoulson: which is suppose to keep it in the foreground23:14
chrisccoulsonah, ok. i haven't had to use g-v-m since the last time it was installed by defaul23:14
chrisccoulsont23:14
nrgchrisccoulson: you think this a better question for #ubuntu?23:20
chrisccoulsonnrg - yes23:20
nrgwill do... thanks23:20

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