[00:19] <Daskreech_> Nightrose: ping
[00:20] <Nightrose> Daskreech_: pong
[00:20] <Daskreech_> Nightrose: the Kubuntu-experimental repo would have the Beta 2 packages?
[00:20] <Nightrose> nope :/
[00:21] <Nightrose> still not packaged afaik
[00:21] <rgreening> its a work in progress.
[00:21] <Daskreech_> They will be there though?
[00:21] <rgreening> Daskreech_: yep
[00:21] <Daskreech_> ok
[00:21] <rgreening> it's partially built and partially backported
[00:21] <rgreening> bindings is broken badly.
[00:22]  * Daskreech_ skips off into the dusK
[00:23] <Nightrose> rgreening: he's talking about amarok btw
[00:24] <Nightrose> (not sure if you are too)
[00:24] <rgreening> oh. oops. doh
[00:24] <rgreening> Ah, but same applies
[00:25]  * rgreening is brain dead 
[00:25] <Nightrose> ;-)
[00:25] <rgreening> Nightrose: been working on kde 4.3 all day
[00:25]  * Nightrose hands rgreening a cookie and bribes him into having a look at amarok
[00:25] <rgreening> kdepim and bindings are being naughty
[00:25] <Nightrose> :/
[00:26] <rgreening> Ive got my hands full at the moment...
[00:26] <rgreening> trying to get kde 4.3 beta out
[00:26] <rgreening> Nightrose: you going to UDS
[00:26] <Nightrose> nope :/
[00:26] <Daskreech_> How is Beta 1 looking for Koala?
[00:26] <rgreening> ah
[00:26] <rgreening> It's partially uploaded.
[00:27] <rgreening> and partially backport to jaunty
[00:27] <rgreening> JontheEchidna: has been a mad dog with back porting
[00:27] <rgreening> +1 JontheEchidna
[00:27] <JontheEchidna> ^_^
[00:30] <Daskreech_> Still in the build queue?
[00:32] <JontheEchidna> workspace is still fscked up the arse
[00:34] <Daskreech_> fsck -s ?
[00:35] <JontheEchidna> s/s/u
[00:40] <Daskreech_> but that ruins the whole joke :(
[00:43] <Daskreech_> http://identi.ca/notice/4285328
[00:55] <Riddell> _Sime: kdeedu python bindings need an update
[00:58] <rgreening> Riddell: hey
[00:58] <Riddell> remind me to go to spain in six hours
[00:58] <JontheEchidna> lol
[00:58] <rgreening> haha
[00:59] <rgreening> ti quero taco bell
[00:59] <apachelogger> kubotu: remind Riddell about going to spain in 6 hours
[00:59] <kubotu> aight
[01:02] <rgreening> kubotu: remind rgreening to bug ScottK about uploading KDE 4.3 packages in 2 hours
[01:02] <kubotu> rgreening, you don't have 'remind::other::about' permissions here
[01:02] <rgreening> argh! apachelogger ^
[01:02]  * ryanakca doesn't have them either :/
[01:02] <rgreening> :(
[01:03] <rgreening> kubotu: chmod u+rwx rgreening
[01:03] <rgreening> :)
[01:03]  * ryanakca thinks he should start pruning his irclogs... 2.8G :)
[01:03] <rgreening> ha
[01:04] <rgreening> I have a mysql db with 50 million rows
[01:04] <rgreening> that's about 10G
[01:04] <rgreening> actually, its probably more rows...
[01:04] <rgreening> more than I care to query
[01:06] <ryanakca> What's that for?
[01:06] <apachelogger> rgreening: remind me maybe?
[01:06] <ryanakca> s/that/it/
[01:06] <apachelogger> would seem logical :P
[01:06] <ryanakca> kubotu: remind me about kubotu reminding in 1 minute
[01:06] <kubotu> sure
[01:06] <ryanakca> Heh
[01:07] <ryanakca> apachelogger: What happens if you have a guy called ``me'', can he not be reminded by others?
[01:07] <apachelogger> a guy called me must be very selfish anyway
[01:07] <apachelogger> well
[01:07]  * apachelogger =>
[01:08] <apachelogger> that is a void in case you wondered :P
[01:08] <ryanakca> Oh. I thought it was some wierd smiley face
[01:08] <JontheEchidna> lol: [20:08:02] [Notice] -NickServ- This nickname is registered. Please choose a different nickname, or identify via /msg NickServ identify <password>.
[01:09] <JontheEchidna> plasma-widget-makestatus dun work with pbuilder :(
[01:10] <JontheEchidna> you have to run your cmake builds with /usr/bin/makeinvoker for it to work
[01:10] <rgreening> kubotu: remind me to bug ScottK about uploading KDE 4.3 packages in 2 hours
[01:10] <kubotu> okay then :)
[01:10] <rgreening> cool
[01:10] <Riddell> ryanakca, rgreening: you're all prepared for UDS?
[01:10] <rgreening> Getting there. U see the message I sent on kubuntu-devel
[01:11] <Riddell> oh aye.  I won't be about most of next week I'm afraid
[01:11] <rgreening> that's ok. plauable deniability :) for senior leader
[01:11] <rgreening> :P
[01:11] <rgreening> plausable even
[01:12] <rgreening> Riddell: I have some shopping to do this week.. get some summer garb... and a hair cut. other than that, ready.
[01:12] <rgreening> and this time, I ain't volunteering for everyting under the sun.
[01:13] <dtchen> heh
[01:13] <rgreening> lerned my lesson
[01:13] <rgreening> :)
[01:13] <JontheEchidna> lol
[01:13] <dtchen> don't worry, eventually you get volunteered whether you want to
[01:13] <Riddell> rgreening: ssh, don't say that, ryanakca will get suspicious when we volunteer him for everything
[01:13] <JontheEchidna> rgreening: I was listening in on you guy's (quiet) conversation, and I was going "wow, I hope he can really do all that..."
[01:13] <rgreening> hahaha
[01:14] <JontheEchidna> they need better microphone placement at this UDS
[01:14] <rgreening> I got through a bunch...
[01:14] <rgreening> but not enough.
[01:14] <rgreening> This release we need to really prioritize stuff. and work from the top.
[01:14] <JontheEchidna> we got flash integrated with kpackagekit, though we might want to integrate it further with the restricted-extras functionality of update-notifier-kde this release
[01:15] <rgreening> I'd like to see notifier go away and use the kpackagekit one.
[01:15] <JontheEchidna> and call update-notifier-kde through dbus like we do for mp3 codecs and sesame2
[01:15] <JontheEchidna> actually we integrated it with install-package, iirc...
[01:15] <JontheEchidna> lol
[01:15] <dtchen> Flash and Skype, sigh. the banes of my existence (largely).
[01:16] <Daskreech_> Can we remove that you have done something Confirmation dialog box in kpackage-kit?
[01:16] <Daskreech_>  I really hate it
[01:16] <ryanakca> Riddell: hehe, volunteered or voluntold?
[01:16] <rgreening> I had a partially working patch for kpackagekit. but it needed some expert help. I couldn't get at the time
[01:16] <rgreening> voluntold
[01:16] <rgreening> :)
[01:16] <JontheEchidna> oh yeah, you were working on an installer mode, weren't you
[01:16] <ryanakca> Riddell: Will be, getting Kubuntu installed on my mum's laptop, mine is about to die on me :/
[01:17] <rgreening> Tonio__: o/
[01:17] <Tonio__> rgreening: yo !
[01:17] <JontheEchidna> : o/ <- looked like a weird smiley
[01:17] <rgreening> hows my best friend in France doing :)
[01:17] <Tonio__> rgreening: back from the restaurant
[01:17] <Tonio__> about to go sleep :)
[01:17] <Tonio__> long day tomorrow searching for a decent new job :)
[01:17] <rgreening> food and sleep.. sounds inviting
[01:18] <Tonio__> rgreening: what about you ?
[01:18] <Tonio_> pretty good evening I must say
[01:18] <rgreening> Tonio__: trying to wrangle kdepim into submission.
[01:18] <rgreening> its being naughty
[01:18] <rgreening> must be taking after kdebindings
[01:18] <Tonio_> ah... :) not as fun as a restaurant but still pretty cool :)
[01:19] <rgreening> Ive been at it all day.
[01:19] <Tonio_> ouch....
[01:19] <rgreening> its really getting to me
[01:19] <rgreening> soo many changes and breakage
[01:19] <rgreening> had to revert some changes wrt akonadi cause they forgot to revert before they tagged it.
[01:20] <rgreening> bad beta :)
[01:20] <JontheEchidna> they also found out that several mplayerthumbs changes were bunk after the tagged it, so I ended up just commenting it out in cmakelists.txt since we already have an external copy
[01:21] <JontheEchidna> but! At least come beta2 or RC or whatever we will have one less source package to maintain
[01:21] <rgreening> the quality on this one is way down...
[01:21] <JontheEchidna> impossible. It has my weather wallpaper included :P
[01:22] <rgreening> OMG.. kdepim is finally finished building. Now I get my list-missing.
[01:22] <JontheEchidna> 3... 2... 1...
[01:22] <rgreening> JontheEchidna: the weather is stormy
[01:22] <JontheEchidna> kubotu: remind rgreening to freeze his computer in 3 seconds
[01:22] <kubotu> JontheEchidna, you don't have 'remind::other::about' permissions here
[01:22] <rgreening> shaddup you
[01:22] <Daskreech_> rgreening: What did she do now?
[01:22] <rgreening> :)
[01:22] <rgreening> lol
[01:23] <rgreening> I wanna watch some tv... but kde beta wont let me
[01:23]  * JontheEchidna wonders when he will get a lightning storm so that he gets lightning wallpaper
[01:23] <rgreening> stick finger in socket
[01:23] <JontheEchidna> will BBC pick that up as weather? :P
[01:24] <rgreening> no, but itll be funny.... for me
[01:24] <Daskreech_> JontheEchidna: You actually have a lightning mode?
[01:24] <JontheEchidna> Daskreech_: yeah, all the weather modes that the Plasma weather dataengine provides are supported
[01:25] <rgreening> JontheEchidna: I wont be able to run your weather app here in Newfoundland. It'll kill my CPU as the weather here changes every few minutes...
[01:25] <JontheEchidna> hehe
[01:25] <rgreening> and it'll be constantly changing the pic
[01:25] <rgreening> :P
[01:25] <rgreening> it'll get a complex
[01:25]  * JontheEchidna can't resist mentioning that the update interval is configurable
[01:25] <Daskreech_> So instead you have a wallpaper slideshow set to 15 seconds ?
[01:26] <rgreening> JontheEchidna: we need to write an AI plasmoid. have it learn as you talk to it.
[01:26] <JontheEchidna> there is an openbrain plasmoid in playground
[01:26] <rgreening> call it skynet and have it able to communicate with other plasma AI applets
[01:26] <JontheEchidna> not exactly a turing test winner, but...
[01:27] <rgreening> heh
[01:28] <JontheEchidna> Ok, so the plugin supports: clear, partly cloudy, very cloudy, mist, lightning storm, hail, snow, partly cloudy at night, clear at night, and freezing rain
[01:28] <rgreening> actually, it should be called omnibus or the evermind (for Dune fans).
[01:28] <rgreening> cool
[01:28] <rgreening> wheres the fog
[01:28] <JontheEchidna> that might be mist
[01:28] <rgreening> fog <> cloud <> mist
[01:29] <rgreening> and for california, smog
[01:29] <rgreening> :P
[01:29] <JontheEchidna> lol
[01:29] <rgreening> or in hollywood smug
[01:29] <JontheEchidna> -s +t
[01:29] <rgreening> courtesy southpark ^
[01:29] <rgreening> lol
[01:29] <JontheEchidna> pr0n on the desktop
[01:29] <Daskreech_> You have different wallpapers for cloud and for mist?
[01:29] <Daskreech_> where are you getting these
[01:30] <Daskreech_> the Temp will be 25 degrees with light pr0n ?
[01:30] <JontheEchidna> kde-look and, where I can, existing wallpapers in kdeartwork
[01:30] <JontheEchidna> Vorian donated a  picture for freezing rain
[01:30] <rgreening> "feeling hot-hot-hot"
[01:30] <JontheEchidna> lol
[01:30] <JontheEchidna> We might have a wallpaper contest in the nearish future for weather wallpapers
[01:30] <rgreening> If you can get a fog mode, I'll get a fog pic
[01:31] <rgreening> thick as soup
[01:31] <Daskreech_> JontheEchidna: Bringing up Ubuntu-calendar again ? :)
[01:31] <JontheEchidna> lol
[01:32]  * Tonio_ gonna sleep
[01:32] <rgreening> JontheEchidna: what we need is a consolidated bookmark applet that can read bookmarks from all configured sources (like FF, Konq, Arora, etc).
[01:32] <Tonio_> nite all :)
[01:32] <rgreening> nn tomsdale
[01:32] <rgreening> nn Tonio_
[01:33] <JontheEchidna> lol
[01:33] <rgreening> stupid autocomplete...
[01:33] <rgreening> :>
[01:33] <Tonio_> :)
[01:33] <rgreening> serious though on the bookmark thing
[01:33] <JontheEchidna> rgreening: using konvi or quassi?
[01:33] <rgreening> I hate not having access to bookmarks across apps
[01:33] <rgreening> quas
[01:34] <rgreening> and the applet should read and post to delicious if configured
[01:34] <rgreening> that would be cool
[01:34] <rgreening> and then have a plugin for the browser to assess it
[01:34] <rgreening> access even
[01:37] <Daskreech_> rgreening: across apps?
[01:38] <Daskreech_> you want kate to have the same bookmarks as Juk ?
[01:38] <rgreening> browsers
[02:08] <Daskreech_> http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=4559602&postcount=12
[02:09] <JontheEchidna> Riddell: workspace (or, it's cmake) can't seem to find qedje when it compiles, we're just going to disable the plasma-scriptengine-qedje package this time around and fix edje or whatever later
[02:10] <JontheEchidna> dunno if you're still around, or if you could sponsor a package when I'm done fixing its edje-induced FTBFS in a bit
[02:13] <JontheEchidna> wow, there are a lot of new binary packages in workspace now
[02:14] <rgreening> JontheEchidna: ScottK may be around.
[02:17] <JontheEchidna> oh, the version isn't high enough
[02:18] <JontheEchidna> so we need to backport qedje to the ppa
[02:19] <JontheEchidna> which means somebody should retry workspace in main
[02:22] <rgreening> JontheEchidna: that's cool. put qedje into experimental PPA and see what happens. ScottK can upload then
[02:22]  * JontheEchidna uploads qzion first
[02:24] <rgreening> JontheEchidna: I almost have kdepim rdy to upload. last few list-missings...
[02:25] <JontheEchidna> nice
[02:25] <JontheEchidna> if all else fails, at least we know how to build workspace in the ppa
[02:25] <rgreening> just hope i got the missings into correct places. there were 80+
[02:25] <rgreening> lol
[02:25] <JontheEchidna> eek
[02:26] <JontheEchidna> qedje, qzion accepted
[02:26] <JontheEchidna> though I should have waited for qzion to build first
[02:28]  * JontheEchidna thinks something qedje-ish may be stuck in new queue
[02:28] <JontheEchidna> which would explain why it fails in an up-to-date pbuilder
[02:29] <rgreening> heh
[02:35]  * JontheEchidna sheds a single tear: https://edge.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ppa/+archive/experimental/+build/1030640
[02:42] <astromme_laptop> Is there a ppa with Amarok 2.1b2 hiding around anywhere that folks know of?
[02:47] <Daskreech_> I read that as edgy.launchpad.net for some reason
[03:02] <Daskreech_> Btw does having the network manager be a plasmoid mean that networking will be kinda 1/2 assed till login?
[03:02] <rgreening> Daskreech_: no
[03:02] <Daskreech_> Any repercusions of it?
[03:02] <rgreening> I believe wired picks up from NetworkManager prior to boot
[03:03] <rgreening> sry, prior to login
[03:03] <rgreening> and wireless requires login
[03:03] <Daskreech_> so wireless wouldn't
[03:03] <rgreening> pretty sure
[03:12] <rgreening> Hobbsee: ping
[03:12] <rgreening> need a favor. can you look at https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/karmic/+queue?queue_state=0&queue_text=edje
[03:45] <ScottK> qedje is already in Main too
[03:45] <ScottK> So it just needs binary New
[03:45] <ScottK> I can do that.
[03:45] <JontheEchidna> nice
[03:47] <rgreening> yay
[03:47] <ScottK> Actually I can't.  Sorry.
[03:48] <ScottK> It's got binaries in Main and Universe and the web  U/I can't handle that.
[03:48] <ScottK> Urgh
[03:48] <JontheEchidna> door-knocking time?
[03:49] <ScottK> Let me think about this.
[03:51] <rgreening> knock-knock-knockin on edje's door
[03:51] <Daskreech_> Who's there?
[03:51] <ScottK> I think I can, but it's a bit strange.
[03:51] <ScottK> It's New on i386 and amd64 only
[03:52] <ScottK> I'm not going to rush this.  I need to go pick up kids and then I'll go through it.
[03:54] <ScottK> Back in a bit.
[03:54] <ScottK> ~ an hour ....
[04:49]  * ScottK returns
[04:50]  * JontheEchidna prepares to upload one last kdebase-workspace that should compile
[04:55] <ScottK> rgreening and JontheEchidna: qedje New'ed.
[04:55] <ScottK> Just in time for a publisher run starting in 8 minutes
[04:56] <ScottK> rgreening: Did you coerce bindings into doing something useful?
[04:58] <JontheEchidna> ok, uploaded
[04:58] <JontheEchidna> see ya'll tomorrow, I think we can finish up then
[05:08] <rgreening> ScottK: **yawn** nope. I think I just need to get it to block building akonadi everywhere.
[05:08] <ScottK> rgreening: OK.  Well qedje is sorted, so that should help with making progress.
[05:09] <rgreening> thanks.
[05:09] <ScottK> What else is ready for upload ?
[05:09] <Daskreech1> WHee Nepomuk has a word analysing thingygimmabob
[05:09] <rgreening> kdetoys, kdebase
[05:09] <rgreening> kdepim
[05:09] <ScottK> Daskreech1: I thought the only function of Nepomuk was to crash?
[05:09] <ScottK> rgreening: All from the PPA?
[05:10] <Daskreech1> wait you got it to start?
[05:10] <rgreening> yeah. just remove the ~ppa
[05:10] <ScottK> Daskreech1: No, I keep having it cause build failures.
[05:10] <Daskreech1> build failures = fail
[05:11] <ScottK> That was 4.1/4.2 though
[05:11] <rgreening> ScottK: and remove the ~ppa from kdegraphics in main
[05:11] <ScottK> Right.  I'll do that last.
[05:11] <rgreening> ScottK: so thats 4 packages I can thinks of.
[05:11] <ScottK> OK.
[05:12] <ScottK> Now that I'm not trying to beat a publisher run I'll get some alchohol and sit down and look at those.
[05:12] <rgreening> hehe
[05:12] <rgreening> ScottK: is workspace going to need a push to build in main now that qdge thing is taken care of
[05:13] <ScottK> rgreening: I'll push it in half an hour after the publisher run is likely finished.
[05:13] <rgreening> cool
[05:13] <ScottK> They usually take 35 to 45 minutes
[05:16] <ScottK> BTW, the python bindings for qedje could use some work.  They aren't properly packaged for multiple python versions.
[05:20] <ScottK> So how did kdeedu build on Karmic?
[05:20] <ScottK> Doesn't it need bindings?
[05:28] <rgreening> beats me
[05:28] <rgreening> someone prob forgot to bump build deps
[05:28] <rgreening> or commented it out...
[05:29] <rgreening> Riddell uploaded it... so whatever magic he worked
[05:32] <ScottK> I notice python-marble is missing, so that's probably it.
[05:33] <ScottK> (commented out something)
[05:34] <ScottK> rgreening: I'm not going to complain you were insufficiently verbose in kdebase debian/changelog
[05:34] <rgreening> ha
[05:34] <rgreening> I got less verbose in pim
[05:35] <rgreening> you can complain there :)
[05:35] <ScottK> heh.
[05:35] <ScottK> kdebase launched
[05:37] <ScottK> rgreening: No kdepim in PPA and kdetoys is all FTBFS?
[05:37] <rgreening> kdetoys is dep wait on workspace. thats why
[05:37] <rgreening> and what about kdepim?
[05:38] <rgreening> kdepim - 4:4.2.85-0ubuntu1~ppa1 is built in ppa
[05:38]  * ScottK stares a the web page again
[05:38] <rgreening> :)
[05:39] <ScottK> Helps if I refresh the browser page.
[05:39] <rgreening> hah
[05:48] <rgreening> so after those uploads, we still need to package kdebindings and plasma-addons
[05:49] <ScottK> OK, well I'll be too drunk to deal with those.
[05:50] <rgreening> I'll try and take a look tomorrow...
[05:53] <ScottK> I should be around off and on to sponsor stuff
[05:56] <ScottK> Signature line from elsewhere makes me lol: "In America, anyone can grow up to be President. That's one of the risks we take."
[05:56] <ScottK> kdepim pitched
[05:57] <rgreening> hahah
[06:00] <ScottK> kdetoys on the way.
[06:01] <rgreening> cool. last one is fix kdegraphis ~ppa in main
[06:02] <ScottK> Right.  That's done too.
[06:02] <ScottK> I did make one change in kdepim.  I'll shove that into bzr
[06:05] <rgreening> whats the change
[06:07] <ScottK> akrogator was both recommended and suggested by kontact
[06:07] <ScottK> I went with recommended
[06:07]  * ScottK refills the scotch in preparation for dealing with bzr
[06:08] <rgreening> ah cool
[06:09] <ScottK> rgreening: There's other stuff that wasn't in bzr yet for kdepim (I'll fix).  Please check the others.
[06:10] <rgreening> ?
[06:10] <rgreening> All mine were pulled direct from bzr and my changes were committed back to bzr
[06:12] <ScottK> Well then me uploading from the PPA was a problem
[06:12] <ScottK> kdepim I uploaded has kubuntu_01_fix_sieve_hang_svn_915286.diff still
[06:12] <rgreening> wtf
[06:12] <ScottK> commented out in series though
[06:12] <rgreening> I removed it
[06:12] <rgreening> oh
[06:12] <rgreening> that's ok,
[06:13] <ScottK> It should have been removed (it is in bzr), but not in the PPA
[06:13] <rgreening> I prob forgot to delete it in the 50 times I redid it
[06:13] <ScottK> So I'll make bzr match what i uploaded
[06:13] <rgreening> sure thing
[06:15] <ScottK> Done, so you can fixor it even better for next time now.
[06:17] <rgreening> Im going to have to go and recheck all the bzr stuff... Im wondering if the file deletions worked ... the PPA stuff is fine.
[06:21] <ScottK> bzr also didn't have some other stuff like switching to the qt phonon
[06:25] <rgreening> ScottK: I added that to bzr after
[06:25] <ScottK> OK
[06:26] <rgreening> JontheEchidna suggested it was good to put in for next release/update
[06:26] <rgreening> but wasnt required at the moment
[06:26] <ScottK> Well it got reverted because what's in bzr matches what I uploaded right now.
[06:27] <ScottK> qedje for some reason isn't being accepted.  I've done some pings.
[06:27] <ScottK> So no workspace for the moment.
[06:28]  * ScottK has made rough measurements of his fatigue level, blood alcohol contect, and give a damn factor and decided it's time for bed.
[06:28] <ScottK> Good night.
[06:28] <rgreening> nn
[11:25] <chris_> hello
[11:26] <chris_> i have a problem running amarok 2.1 beta on kubuntu jaunty. i've already talked to the folks on #amarok and they suggest it might be a problem with phonon.
[11:27] <chris_> everytime i start amarok, it gives me this: http://paste.ubuntu.com:80/173539/
[11:27] <chris_> it seems that it's not able to load the xine backend to phonon. if i start as root, it will work
[13:52] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: makeinvoker needs a daemon part then
[13:52] <apachelogger> client talks to daemon about status, plasmoid talks to daemon about status
[13:52] <apachelogger> then again that might be a bit of an overhead ;-)
[14:10] <Tonio_> yoyoyo !
[14:13] <smarter> hey Tonio_
[14:13] <Tonio_> smarter: hey
[14:15] <Tonio_> smarter: you're a motu right ?
[14:16] <smarter> yep
[14:16] <Tonio_> smarter: hum, no forget that :) we'll wait for kde 4.3 ;)
[14:16] <smarter> what did you had in mind? :)
[14:16] <Tonio_> smarter: revuing a package, but it'll all be integrated to kde 4.3, so nevermind
[14:16]  * Tonio_ just woke up and forgot about that :)
[14:17] <smarter> you woke up at 3PM? :o
[15:22] <apachelogger> openoffice is one big fart
[15:22]  * apachelogger ain't got no clue about how to make an icon theme
[15:53] <Quintasan> hiho
[15:53] <Quintasan> http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/p/plasma-widget-pgame <-- anyone?
[16:01] <Quintasan> apachelogger: ^
[16:02] <apachelogger> no
[16:02] <ryanakca> Quintasan: Not sure if you're interested, but maybe try getting it uploaded to Debian too? a) They benefit from it, and b) your work doesn't go out the door whenever someone on their end packages it.
[16:02] <apachelogger> I gotta digg through the openblob
[16:02] <Quintasan> ryanakca: okay, I will try
[16:03] <ryanakca> Quintasan: upload it http://mentors.debian.net ... and then ask around in either #debian-mentors or #debian-qt-kde on OFTC
[16:40] <BUGabundo> hi
[16:41] <BUGabundo> can any ninja help me with force override so manage to install some packages?
[16:41] <BUGabundo> http://paste.ubuntu.com/173720/
[16:41] <Quintasan> ryanakca: while using reportbug System Informations: contains something like this: APT prefers jaunty-updates, is this okay?
[16:41] <Quintasan> BUGabundo: for help go to #kubuntu, this is development channel
[16:42] <BUGabundo> ok Quintasan...
[16:42] <ryanakca> Quintasan: I've never bothered. You filing an ITP?
[16:42] <ryanakca> (never bothered removing it)
[16:42] <Quintasan> BUGabundo: there are no overwrites
[16:42] <BUGabundo> just that karmic is bit messy right now
[16:42] <Quintasan> ryanakca: ITP, this package is small, I think making someone maintain such small package is useless
[16:42] <BUGabundo> Quintasan: no? so I cant force some versions until they are all built?
[16:43] <ryanakca> Quintasan: OK, I'd just leave it.
[16:43] <Quintasan> BUGabundo:  you can TRY, dunno what will happen :3
[16:43] <Quintasan> ryanakca: ok, thanks
[16:45] <BUGabundo> Quintasan: care to help me destroy my system ?
[16:45] <Quintasan> BUGabundo: nope :P
[16:45] <BUGabundo> ohh :p
[16:45] <Quintasan> BUGabundo: dpkg --force-help
[16:47] <Quintasan> ffffuuuuu- this is confusing @_@
[16:52] <Quintasan> looks like I will need sid pbuilder env
[17:02] <ryanakca> ljoin #ubuntu
[17:02] <ryanakca> oops
[17:11] <jjesse> ryanakca: did you and nixternal ever figure out help.kubuntu.org?
[17:11] <nixternal> jjesse: haven't worked on it much this past week unfortunately
[17:11] <jjesse> bummer :(
[17:11] <nixternal> I just need to add some stuff to it (hours worth of work) and that's it
[17:11] <ryanakca> beat me to it :)
[17:11] <nixternal> I will finish it up this weekend
[17:11] <jjesse> yay
[17:11] <nixternal> today is nice so it is warranting a bike ride
[17:11] <jjesse> its cool here
[17:11] <ryanakca> thundershowering here :/
[17:12] <jjesse> we had some storms last night
[18:29] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: backport makestatus?
[18:31] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: W: plasma-widget-makestatus: binary-without-manpage usr/bin/makeinvoker
[18:32] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: that binary seriously needs a manpage
[18:32] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: btw, technically it should be possible to make makeinvoker from a pbuilder chroot talk to dbus of the host system
[18:33] <apachelogger> then the chroot would just need to use makeinvoker instead of make
[18:33] <apachelogger> which is a less simple task I suppose :P
[18:39] <apachelogger> hm
[19:09] <JontheEchidna> oy vey: http://paste.ubuntu.com/173797/
[19:12] <apachelogger> all borked
[19:12] <apachelogger> neversfelde: daisy still not fine
[19:12] <apachelogger> plus I wonder how that issue slipped our tight reviews
[19:13] <neversfelde> apachelogger: mhh, I will have a look
[19:13] <apachelogger> that at least worridd me for 0.3 seconds, that is a lot of worrying for saturday really
[19:13] <apachelogger> uh
[19:13] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: panelspacer is in KDE trunk isn't it?
[19:13] <apachelogger> like, by default?
[19:15] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: yus
[19:15]  * apachelogger rejects http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/p/plasma-widget-panelspacer then
[19:19] <JontheEchidna> mmhm, new kdelibs stuff is starting to leak into my sessionz
[19:19] <neversfelde> gnah, I send the daisy dude an lgpl copy. Probably it was changed again in one of the last 4 releases in 4 days :)
[19:19] <apachelogger> release early, release often, release broken
[19:20] <apachelogger> publish or perish is still my fav release policy
[19:20] <apachelogger> canonical seems to go with that most of the time as well :)
[19:58] <ScottK> Speaking of broken, anyone fix -workspace yet?
[19:59] <JontheEchidna> workspace should just need a rebuild in main if edje is all straightened out
[19:59] <ScottK> Well it was depwait on it before then it FTBFS.
[19:59] <JontheEchidna> the FTBFS came from trying to install the nonexistant edje plugin, iirc
[20:01] <ScottK> I see.  I'll retry then.
[20:03] <JontheEchidna> kdelibs, kdebase-runtime, and kdepim are all sorted out in bzr install-conflict wise, as far as my testing could find issues
[20:08] <ScottK> Do we need new uploads for them?
[20:22] <JontheEchidna> ScottK: yeah, we probably should before we get a ton of bug reports
[20:23] <JontheEchidna> workspace too, now
[20:24] <ScottK> Anyone fix bindings yet?
[20:26] <_Sime> the bindings freeze is in 5 weeks.
[20:27] <ScottK> Well we kind of need one now.
[20:28] <JontheEchidna> not really
[20:28] <JontheEchidna> everything at least builds without it except for the marble bindings
[20:29] <_Sime> ScottK: why?
[20:29] <JontheEchidna> anywho, kdemultimedia fixed in bzr
[20:29] <ScottK> _Sime: Because we're trying to get the 4.3 beta packaged and a number of other packages depend on it.
[20:30] <JontheEchidna> ^Those packages build fine even with the old bindings, except for the marble bindings patch we had
[20:30] <ScottK> OK.
[20:30] <ScottK> Nevermind then
[20:31] <_Sime> ScottK: most of the Python bindings have been updated now.
[20:31] <ScottK> And the python-marble thing got dropped for now
[20:31] <_Sime> ScottK: I've been working hard on them this week.
[20:31] <_Sime> ScottK: next stop is updating the marble bindings once I have kdeedu etc building from trunk.
[20:32] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: Maybe we want to do a post-beta snapshot of bindings one marble is updated.
[20:32] <_Sime> ScottK: i'm having buliding troubles here. missing deps.
[20:32] <ScottK> I know that feeling
[20:32] <JontheEchidna> ergh, missed some for -workspace
[20:32] <_Sime> when is the next beta due?
[20:35] <ScottK> June 2.
[20:36] <_Sime> cool kdebase worked finally.
[20:41] <Sput> bindings wasn't even released with beta1, was it?
[20:41] <_Sime> don't think so.
[20:42] <ScottK> And it looks like we can muddle through that OK.
[20:45] <JontheEchidna> ok, -workspace should be good for upload in bzr with all known issues fixed
[20:49] <vishalrao> wooo karmic kde desktop going to be fixed soon?! :)
[20:49] <ScottK> Let's see if the current one builds first
[20:49] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: So multimedia for now and -workspace after we know it build.  What else?
[20:51] <JontheEchidna> kde4libs and kdebase-runtime
[20:52] <JontheEchidna> kdeutils
[20:52] <JontheEchidna> and kdesdk
[20:52] <ScottK> Urgh.
[20:52] <ScottK> OK.
[20:52] <JontheEchidna> yeah, a lot of this stuff is due to the merge, where debian shuffled stuff around earlier than us
[20:53] <JontheEchidna> oh, kdepim too
[20:53] <JontheEchidna> ..and kdenetwork is the last
[20:53] <JontheEchidna> so, half the stack :/
[20:54]  * ScottK gives Riddell a long distance thwack for dropping our VCS headers from kde4libs.
[20:54] <JontheEchidna> ~order brain for JontheEchidna
[20:54] <JontheEchidna> aaaah, not kubotu
[20:54] <JontheEchidna> s/not/no
[21:02]  * JontheEchidna does the hugest dpkg -i --force-overwrite command ever
[21:03] <ScottK> heh.
[21:03] <ScottK> Anyone got anything else for kde4libs before I pitch it at the buildds?
[21:04]  * ScottK lol's at #amarok
[21:05] <neversfelde> hehe
[21:05] <ScottK> (hey, I just rm -rf my config directory - anyway to get stuff back)
[21:07] <ScottK> OK, libs tossed over the fence.
[21:10]  * JontheEchidna packages kdeplasma-addons, the last of beta1
[21:11] <JontheEchidna> Riddell forgot to bzr add the patch again :(
[21:13] <ScottK> \o/ -workspace built on lpia, so that's a good sign.
[21:14] <ScottK> Do you have the patch?
[21:15] <JontheEchidna> it was uploaded to the archive thankfully
[21:15] <ScottK> Good
[21:24] <ScottK> -runtime done
[21:29] <JontheEchidna> now that kdebase is done in the ppa, I get to deal with that too
[21:30] <ScottK> OK.  Well -workspace built on i386 and amd64 so I think all we lack for being done on the first time around for the beta is plasma-addons
[21:30] <ScottK> Is that right?
[21:31] <JontheEchidna> correct
[21:32] <neversfelde> I love that new logout dialog and the kubuntu|kde button in kickoff ;)
[21:32] <neversfelde> the button is new, isn't it?
[21:32] <JontheEchidna> kubuntu|kde was supposed to be there, but it broke in kde 4.2
[21:33] <JontheEchidna> or, rather, some point during kde 4.2
[21:33] <neversfelde> ah
[21:34] <neversfelde> so I enjoy it now :)
[21:34] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: kdemultimedia doesn't have anything newer in bzr than what's uploaded.
[21:34] <JontheEchidna> hmm
[21:35] <JontheEchidna> ScottK: pushed
[21:35]  * ScottK checks again
[21:38] <ScottK> Got it
[21:42] <ScottK> Launched
[21:46] <JontheEchidna> great, kde-icons-oxygen and libkdepim4 both contain the same icon
[21:46]  * JontheEchidna seems to remember this happening last release too
[21:47] <JontheEchidna> ScottK: you might wanna hold up on kdepim if you haven't uploaded it yet
[21:47] <ScottK> OK
[21:48] <ScottK> I was going to do that next, but  I guess not.
[21:48] <ScottK> sdk then
[21:50] <JontheEchidna> I just pushed a fixed kdepim, so you should be able to get to that by the time sdk is finished building
[21:56] <ScottK> sdk done.
[21:56] <ScottK> True confessions time: I'm not test building these since it's just conflicts changes.
[21:57] <JontheEchidna> me either, if you couldn't tell by the way I spit all of those in bzr ;-)
[21:57] <ScottK> So far so good.
[21:58] <JontheEchidna> kdebase is fixed (to the best of my knowledge) in bzr
[22:04] <ScottK> Nothing like looking in the inbox after a bunch of uploads and seeing a stack of build failure mails (fortunately all from the PPA)
[22:06] <JontheEchidna> hrm, do I retry kdemultimedia on amd64 or just reupload it?
[22:10] <ScottK> I just uploaded one of those?
[22:11] <JontheEchidna> I'm talking about the PPA
[22:11] <ScottK> Oh.
[22:11] <ScottK> Maybe NCommander is around to rescore it for you?
[22:11]  * NCommander coughs
[22:12] <NCommander> Why do we need a rescore?
[22:12]  * ScottK gives rgreening a virtual slap for failure to document bzr changes in debian/changelog
[22:12] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: ^^^
[22:12]  * NCommander notes that all archive rebuild builds are currently Build Socre 0, your build will go before they will
[22:12] <ScottK> NCommander: Retries are also 0
[22:12] <ScottK> So not in this case.
[22:12] <NCommander> Oh, its a retry?
[22:12] <NCommander> Link to build record please
[22:12] <ScottK> Yeah.
[22:12] <NCommander> I'll bump it
[22:12] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: ^^^
[22:13] <JontheEchidna> ok, just a second
[22:13] <JontheEchidna> lunchpad is being slow
[22:14] <NCommander> JontheEchidna, you say that like its news
[22:14] <JontheEchidna> NCommander: https://edge.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ppa/+archive/experimental/+build/1031610
[22:14] <JontheEchidna> heh
[22:14] <NCommander> JontheEchidna, rescored to 5000
[22:15] <JontheEchidna> thanks
[22:15]  * NCommander finds he does more PPA rescores then main archive
[22:16] <NCommander> which is annoying cause buildd won't work in PPAs ;.;
[22:17] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: How's plasma-addons going?
[22:17] <JontheEchidna> chugging along, cmake's almost done
[22:17] <ScottK> OK
[22:24] <JontheEchidna> sorting out .install file changes now
[22:26] <ScottK> pim uploaded
[22:27] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: BTW, if there are post-upload changes already on bzr, it's not a bad idea to make sure they get reflected in debian/changelog
[22:28]  * ScottK thinks utils, -workspace, and network left.
[22:30] <ScottK> NCommander: Would you please rescore kdeedu on amd64 (archive, not PPA)?
[22:31] <NCommander> ScottK, done
[22:31] <ScottK> NCommander: Thanks.
[22:40] <seele_> i know i asked this before but i forgot.. how do i change video drives from the one that got shipped in jaunty?
[22:46] <ScottK> seele: Intel?
[22:47] <seele_> ScottK: yeah.. i found this: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ReinhardTartler/X/RevertingIntelDriverTo2.4
[22:47] <ScottK> That's one option.
[22:47] <seele_> (just updated another laptop, figures it had intel hardware on it too)
[22:47] <seele_> huh.. well i hope it works.. my patience is waning
[22:47] <seele_> i hate when stuff that used to work breaks
[22:47] <ScottK> There's a simpler approach that may work.
[22:48] <seele_> hmm.. let me try this one real quick, brb
[22:49] <ScottK> seele: See the migration heuristic bit in my xorg.conf: http://pastebin.com/f4b5ca2c4 I'd try that first
[22:51] <neomantra> hmm.. that looks like it worked for the video problem i was having
[22:51] <neomantra> ack
[22:51] <seele__> ^^ heh
[22:54] <ScottK> kdenetwork done
[22:57] <seele> argh
[22:57] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: What's wrong with this picture: +Replaces: superkaramba-kde4. superkaramba
[22:57] <ScottK> I'll fix it.
[22:58] <JontheEchidna> oops
[22:59] <seele> ScottK: are you using that config with the old or new driver?
[22:59] <ScottK> seele: New (as in what shipped with Jaunty)
[23:03] <ScottK> utils done
[23:07] <seele> argh, that didnt work either
[23:07] <seele> motherfucker, now i've got to reinstall intrepid
[23:08] <ScottK> seele: One more option
[23:08] <ScottK> There is an ubuntu-x PPA that has newer Intel stuff.
[23:09] <ScottK> You might try that first.
[23:09] <seele> ScottK: ubuntu-x? or do you mean a personal ppa?
[23:09]  * smarter downgraded xorg, xserver, mesa and libdrm to intrepid to get a usable system on one of his computer :/
[23:09] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: Why did you change the build dep on pkg-kde-tools (>= 0.4) from 0.4.2 (and why isn't it in debian/changelog)?
[23:10] <JontheEchidna> ScottK: which package?
[23:10] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: -workspace
[23:10] <JontheEchidna> that probably happened when I copied over the control file from the jaunty backport
[23:10] <ScottK> OK.  I'll put it back the way it was.
[23:10] <smarter> seele: you could try that: https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-x-swat/+archive/x-updates/
[23:11] <smarter> aka recent-but-not-too-bleeding-edge
[23:11] <seele> smarter: ok, thanks
[23:12] <ScottK> Yeah, that's the one I was thinking of.
[23:14]  * seele upgrades and crosses fingers
[23:15] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: What boost version are we using right now?
[23:15] <ScottK> Is it still 1.35?
[23:16] <ScottK> Because workspace build-dep on libboost-dev
[23:16] <JontheEchidna> yeah, still 1.35
[23:19] <ScottK> OK.  I'll fix that too.
[23:20] <ScottK> No idea how the last one built since libboost-dev is in Universe
[23:22] <ScottK> I know how ....
[23:22] <seele> argh
[23:22] <ScottK> libboost1.35-dev provides libboost-dev
[23:23] <seele> were there any reported problems with the flash plugin?
[23:24] <ScottK> I have some occasional trouble with it sucking up 100% of CPU
[23:24] <seele> hum, no this is a video playback problem
[23:27] <ScottK> -workspace uploaded
[23:27] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: Are there any other uploads I owe you?
[23:30] <JontheEchidna> ScottK: kdebase is ready
[23:30] <ScottK> OK.  Let me have a look
[23:38] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: You didn't update your bzr before you started.  You clobbered some changes from rgreening.
[23:40] <JontheEchidna> I did, I think rgreening may have committed changes after I started, though
[23:40] <ScottK> Well his were comitted last night ....
[23:40] <_Groo_> hi/2 all
[23:40] <JontheEchidna> weird, I removed the whole dir and re-pulled
[23:41] <_Groo_> apachelogger: JontheEchidnaare you on?
[23:41] <_Groo_> hi JontheEchidna
[23:41] <JontheEchidna> hi
[23:41]  * ScottK repairs ...
[23:41]  * JontheEchidna sends kdeplasma-addons for a final build
[23:42] <_Groo_> JontheEchidna: john is amarok 2.1 beta2 in the works? i tried to build it myself (like i do countless times), but this time i couldnt.. something is wrong in kubuntu, i think the embedded mysql pacthes that are in experimental 2.0.90 dont work anymore
[23:42] <_Groo_> JontheEchidna: kde 4.3 OO?
[23:44] <ScottK> _Groo_: 4.3 beta 1 (4.2.85)
[23:44] <JontheEchidna> yeah, we're working on 4.3
[23:44] <_Groo_> ppa please? oO :D
[23:44]  * _Groo_ wants!
[23:45] <harolddong> 4.3 looks really sweet
[23:45] <_Groo_> if you guys are too busy i can try to fix the amarok 2.1 beta 2 build..
[23:45] <_Groo_> harolddong: groo knows... :P
[23:45] <JontheEchidna> Actually, we could probably use some more installation testing: https://edge.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ppa/+archive/experimental
[23:46] <JontheEchidna> everything except kdeedu and kdeplasma-addons should be available for jaunty by now
[23:46] <JontheEchidna> and hopefully in a somewhat installable state ^_^
[23:47] <_Groo_> ok, testing :G
[23:47] <apachelogger> hopefully? Oo
[23:47] <apachelogger> oh dear
[23:48] <_Groo_> hi apachelogger
[23:48] <apachelogger> yo
[23:48] <ScottK> I think edu is available for i386, just not amd64 (building now)
[23:49] <JontheEchidna> I never backported edu to the PPA, though :P
[23:49] <_Groo_> apachelogger: ie used your diff to build amarok 2.1 beta 2 (i was using my own till then to build qtscript and taglibs, but since you are the man :P)... but beta2 is broken with them, after the build it segfaults when called
[23:49] <apachelogger> didn't JontheEchidna build a package already?
[23:50]  * apachelogger seems to remember that there were problems of some sort :P
[23:50] <JontheEchidna> I never got it to work then we got busy with kde
[23:50] <apachelogger> ah
[23:50] <apachelogger> _Groo_: JontheEchidna had the same problem
[23:50] <apachelogger> _Groo_: feel free to fix
[23:50] <_Groo_> apachelogger: it was working with my own pacthes... i believe its a problem with mysqle
[23:50] <apachelogger> mine and upstream's guess is that one of our weird mysql patches is the root of the problem
[23:50] <_Groo_> apachelogger: yep, it appears so
[23:51] <apachelogger> so I would remove patch by patch and try after each to track the evil boy
[23:51] <_Groo_> apachelogger: i still didnt pinpoint which one exactly because im a little busy bugfixing radeon for dri2
[23:51] <apachelogger> though, IIRC, none of them were documented properly in the changelog which would make me remove all of them for good :P
[23:52] <_Groo_> apachelogger: thats what im gonna do, but im going to actual READ the patches and based on my vast experience try to guess which ones might be breaking it.. after i fail (and i WILL fail), then i will disable one by one :D
[23:52] <apachelogger> hm
[23:53] <_Groo_> the upgrade is telling me it will old back kdebase.. it this normal?
[23:53] <apachelogger> reading the patches would mean knowing mysql :P
[23:53] <apachelogger> but if feel that this is the more efficient way...
[23:53] <ScottK> OK kdebase done
[23:53] <_Groo_> http://pastebin.ca/1424980
[23:54] <_Groo_> apachelogger: i know a little of mysql
[23:54] <apachelogger> ok :)
[23:57] <JontheEchidna> aww, riddell un-lzma'd workspace :(
[23:58] <JontheEchidna> probably just a bum merge
[23:58] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: do we still need the pre-depends?
[23:58] <JontheEchidna> nope, soyuz got fixed to not require that insanity
[23:58] <apachelogger> well
[23:58] <apachelogger> add the appropriate magic to the .mk file
[23:59] <_Groo_> well guys, is the kdebase kepting back normal?
[23:59] <apachelogger> I suppose there is no real rationale for not using it across all KDE packages
[23:59] <apachelogger> compression might be way slower and resource draining than gzip but the decompression is around the same speed and requirements
[23:59] <JontheEchidna> _Groo_: it's being kept back in a dist-upgrade?