[00:06] <ign0ramus> cjae, you should be able to click the swirl on the far right and then slide icons along the panel
[00:09] <Oceanwatcher> A real newbie question: How do you check how much RAM there is in a computer when you are running Kubuntu? Also, is there a good application for doing the "inventory" of a system? Something that can collect data about all hardware?
[00:10] <Oceanwatcher> I know about a couple of applications like that for Windows, but have not got that far in Kubuntu yet.
[00:13] <ign0ramus> Oceanwatcher, the "top" command will show you RAM, as well as the command "free -m It"
[00:13] <cjae> ok what the widget called that does the mounting of removable media
[00:13] <Oceanwatcher> ign0ramus: Thank you. Trying now.
[00:14] <solifugus> wtf is ubuntu 9.04 code named as?
[00:14] <cjae> it looks like a cd usb combo
[00:14] <ign0ramus> solifugus, jaunty jackalope
[00:14] <solifugus> (so i can figure which panda3d .dev file i need to download for it)
[00:14] <solifugus> ah.. ok
[00:14] <ign0ramus> cjae, device notifier?
[00:14] <cjae> I think so thanks
[00:15] <ign0ramus> cjae, that's the one that notifies when you plug in a flash drive, etc
[00:16] <cjae> yes
[00:17] <cjae> ok and the one that has workspace 1 2 3 4
[00:17] <cjae> I would call it workspace switcher
[00:17] <cjae> but...
[00:17] <ign0ramus> cjae, is it 'pager'?
[00:17] <cjae> oh that makes sense
[00:17] <cjae>  thanks
[00:18] <ign0ramus> cjae, i think its a counterintuitive name, but that's what it is :/
[00:19] <cjae> ign0ramus, thanks for your help, I agree these are some not so easy to relate names
[00:20] <ign0ramus> cjae, np. i still wish we could agree to call them 'plasmoids' instead of 'widgets', but oh well.
[00:20] <cjae> wish there was a simple command that let you put this all back, without erasing most of .kde
[00:21] <ign0ramus> cjae, well now that you know what they're all called, it shouldn't take more than a minute or two ;)
[00:27] <Serpardum> Anyone alive in having some problems installing programs in kubuntu in VMWare
[00:27] <cjae> yeah, should be able to
[00:28] <Serpardum> I don't remember the comand to see running processes. thought it was pu but not
[00:28] <cjae> ign0ramus, thanks again, would have taken me long time the other way : -)
[00:28] <ign0ramus> cjae, happy to help :)
[00:29] <mandingoceo> does any1 know what kernel i can upgrade to under 710 to get a xfx geforce 8200 mobo chipset recognized
[00:29] <cjae> oh wait  I almost forgot lock the damn widgets again ... unreal
[00:29] <Serpardum> I told it to install "Beneight a steel sky" then went off to work on someone elses computer.  came back it said there was problems.  I clicked on see details and nothing showed.  I click the game in programs and nothign happens
[00:29]  * cjae hangs head
[00:30] <Laeborg> I just brought a server from OVH with the 500GB USB Drive, but how can I see if the USB drive is plugged in ?
[00:30] <phh> Laeborg: lsusub ?
[00:30] <phh> lsusb*
[00:31] <Laeborg> http://pastebin.com/mf7b3e20
[00:31] <phh> mandingoceo: maybe just update the whole thing ...
[00:31] <mandingoceo> thats the problem i cant
[00:31] <mandingoceo> im running linuxmce on it
[00:31] <phh> build the kernel by hand would be the easier way.
[00:32] <Serpardum> Hmm..... changes ays Beneith-a-steel-sky  BROKEN (installed)
[00:32] <mandingoceo> but the kernel that comes with 710 install doesnt support my chipset
[00:32] <mandingoceo> im a noob so forgive me here but is there a patch i could just patch the kernel
[00:33] <phh> no
[00:33] <Serpardum> "Could  not commit changes - Adept Intaller"  There was an error commiting changes.  Possibly there was a problem downloading some packages or the commit would break packages.
[00:34] <ign0ramus> Serpardum, most likely dependency issues... what happens if you do a "sudo apt-get build-dep <packagename>" ?
[00:35] <Serpardum> I"m unsintalling them right now.  It seems that one used an engine that wouldn't download.
[00:35] <Serpardum> although it never gave me a message about that
[00:35] <phh> mandingoceo: try the 0810 beta
[00:36] <ign0ramus> Serpardum, that's why terminal is the best!
[00:36] <mandingoceo> man i have been fighting that for the longest its just not solid enough yet
[00:36] <Serpardum> ignoramus, I would tend to agree.
[00:37] <phh> mandingoceo: then install it from a working and update the kernel by hand and then move the hard drive.
[00:37] <mandingoceo> still pnp problems etc and the journal writes to the drives kills playback under 810
[00:37] <Serpardum> Okahy, scumVM is broken
[00:37] <Serpardum> I unintalled, tried to install the scumVM, get teh could not apply changes.  Hmm..
[00:37] <Serpardum> so, what, I shoudl try to find out where scumVM comes from and reprot it?
[00:37] <mandingoceo> phh u running lmce
[00:38] <Serpardum> *report
[00:38] <ign0ramus> Serpardum, it's most likely an issue on your side... best bet is to ask in their forums/chatroom etc
[00:40] <Serpardum> Hmm.. seems it might be midi problems
[00:40] <lessgov2007blogs> Hi everyone I have a question. I'm experiencing total freezes with Kubuntu Jaunty. I am thinking it could be from the way I was automounting my secondary hard disk, and having Amarok read this drive for my music collection. I added this to my fstab "/dev/sdb1 /home/haunted/40GB ext4 defaults 0 0" It did seem to read the hard disk very slow, can anyone tell me if this is wrong?
[00:43] <ign0ramus> lessgov2007blogs, have you tried running the 'top' command to see what is taking up resources?
[00:43] <phh> and/or iotop
[00:43] <lessgov2007blogs> Yes, actually I have it running now. But, it hasm't froze up yet since I started lol.
[00:44] <ign0ramus> lessgov2007blogs, well try reading/writing from the secondary HDD, and see if any processes go haywire
[00:44] <ign0ramus> lessgov2007blogs, rebuild your collection or something
[00:45] <lessgov2007blogs> I removed my automount, and it does read the hard disc a lot faster now. If it does not freeze, I'll add it again the same way and try to reproduce the lock up. My main question was what I added to the fstab, it was reading the drive very slowly, and I was thinking what I added was likely incorrect way of doing it?
[00:45] <Serpardum> apt-get --help and man apt-get did not show me how to list hte application names (sudo apt-get build-dep ScummVM responded ScummVM wasn't in list )  How can I see applicaiton names?
[00:46] <ign0ramus> Serpardum, 'sudo apt-get scummvm' then press tab key twice
[00:46] <ign0ramus> * 'apt-get install'
[00:47] <Serpardum> it was scummvm, nto ScummVM.  thx
[00:47] <ign0ramus> Serpardum, case is important!
[00:48] <Serpardum> Hmm.. build-dependencies for scummvm could not be satisfied.
[00:48] <Serpardum> yes, but it was listed as ScummVM in Adept Installer
[00:49] <Serpardum> Okahy, it keeps trying to install libflluidsynth1.   gotta find out what's wrong with that.  time to google I guess.
[00:49] <ign0ramus> Serpardum, these are the dependencies i have listed for jaunty: http://rafb.net/p/4pNIDR21.html
[00:50] <ign0ramus> Serpardum, http://packages.ubuntu.com/jaunty/libfluidsynth1
[00:50] <Serpardum> Okay, it's tryign to install libfluidsynthl, libfreebob0, libjack0, libjack0.100.0-0.  I cant' see why it won't in Adept Installer.  How do I find the problem?
[00:51] <Serpardum> I"ll try apt-get one at a time I guess *shrug*
[00:51] <Serpardum> I forgot the fun of linux :/
[00:51] <ign0ramus> Serpardum, use 'build-dep' in terminal... see where there's an issue
[00:51] <Serpardum> Nothing is EVER easy
[00:51] <Whipper_> lol, its easy if u want it to be :)
[00:52] <ign0ramus> Serpardum, at least in Linux you can see why a program won't install
[00:52] <Serpardum> really?  Adept Installer isn't showing me.
[00:52] <ign0ramus> Serpardum, use terminal!
[00:52] <Serpardum> Adept Installer is working worst than Windows Installer in this case ^^
[00:52] <Daskreech_> Serpardum: Some stuff must be easy
[00:52] <lessgov2007blogs> Anyone else had total freeze ups trying to install hplip? I had to install from console with kdm stopped, otherwise it would lock the system up?
[00:53] <Whipper_> yes
[00:53] <Serpardum> Okay, lets see.  Libfluidsynthl: depends: libjack0.100.0-0 (>= 0.101.1) but it is not going to be installed
[00:54] <lessgov2007blogs> No worries, it's working good for me. Just wondering if it was just my system or anyone elses.
 Serpardum, use terminal!
[00:54] <Whipper_> isnt this "ubuntu" thing suppose to be GUI ?-)
[00:54] <ign0ramus> Whipper_, it can be if you don't care what's happening and why
[00:54] <Whipper_> hm.. or thats what they say on theur web-site :)
[00:54] <Serpardum> whipper, that's what it says in terminal.  I guess the apt-get is wrong in that it tries to install 0.100.0-0 instaead of 0.101..0
[00:55] <ign0ramus> Serpardum, "sudo apt-get install libjack0.100.0-0    libjack0.100.0-dev" doesn't work
[00:55] <Whipper_> ign0ramus, i know, but if someone is newbie, then terminal is hard
[00:55] <ign0ramus> Serpardum, oh no - that won't work
[00:55] <lessgov2007blogs> Oh I do have another question... kpackagekit, it gives me an error, I can't remember exactly what it says, something along the lines of a time out, need to fork!, something like that. Anyone know what's with this?
[00:56] <ign0ramus> Whipper_, in most cases, something a newbie wants can be done via gui
[00:56] <Serpardum> ign0ramues.  It doesn't work, doesn't exist, yet libfluidsynth1 requires it
[00:56] <Whipper_> ign0ramus, well.. not totally true with Kub904..
[00:56] <Serpardum> so, scummvm is a bust.
[00:58] <Serpardum> now gotta find out who to tell that it's borked
[00:58] <ign0ramus> Serpardum, libfluidsynth1 requires "libjack-dev" & "libjack0.100.0-dev"
[00:58] <Serpardum> Not according to my apt-get
[00:58] <lessgov2007blogs> Okay, here's the error kpackagekit gives me. The backend took too much time to process the synchronous request - you need to fork!
[00:59] <Serpardum> and I did apt-get update
[00:59] <ign0ramus> Serpardum, so what does "sudo apt-get build-dep libfluidsynth1" tell you?
[01:00] <Serpardum> yeah, just did that and thinking about tryign that right now, although I did try to sudo apt-get install libfluidsynth1 and it told me it needed 0.101
[01:00] <Serpardum> this one doens't give me version numbers.
[01:00] <Serpardum> the following NEW packages will be installed:
[01:00] <Serpardum> and it lists 3 lines worth
[01:01] <ign0ramus> Serpardum, so if they install, you can install libfluidsynth1
[01:01] <Serpardum> I think I have a dependancy of a dependancy inssue
[01:01] <ign0ramus> https://bugs.launchpad.net/packagekit/+bug/272410 | lessgov2007blogs
[01:01] <ign0ramus> Serpardum, aka "Dependency Hell"
[01:02] <Serpardum> oh **** ""Media change: please insertr the disc labeled 'Kubuntu 7.10 _Gutsy Gibbon_ - Release amd64 (20071016.2)' in the drive '/cdrom/' and press enter.
[01:02] <Serpardum> since I downloaded a virtual desktop now I am in install hell
[01:03] <ign0ramus> Serpardum, "kdesudo kate /apt/etc/sources.list" ... comment out the CD (probably the first entry) and do a "sudo apt-get update"
[01:04] <Daskreech_> Serpardum: Ok lets fix your problem
[01:04] <Daskreech_> what's up?
[01:04] <ign0ramus> Serpardum, that should be "kdesudo kate /etc/apt/sources.list" ... my mistake
[01:05] <Serpardum> getting errors in console about wrong uids and sources.list is coming up blanke.. oh
[01:05] <Serpardum> better :D
[01:05] <ign0ramus> Serpardum, the uid error always shows up... not sure why they never fixed that...
[01:05] <ign0ramus> Serpardum, yup, now comment out the cd-rom entry
[01:05] <ign0ramus> Serpardum, then "sudo apt-get update"
[01:06] <ign0ramus> Serpardum, now try again.. it won't ask for the CD now
[01:06] <Daskreech_> hi ign0ramus wha'ts the problem ?
[01:06] <ign0ramus> Daskreech_, he's trying to install some package (a game, i think), but is having dependency issues
[01:07] <Serpardum> okay, installing
[01:07] <Serpardum> dang.  unable to fetch some archives
[01:07] <ign0ramus> Daskreech_, he's trying to install via Adept, but Adept doesn't tell you very much
[01:07] <Serpardum> let me try --fix-missing???
[01:07] <Daskreech_> Serpardum: Ibex I assume?
[01:07] <Serpardum> no clue what ibex is.
[01:07] <ign0ramus> Gutsy, he's on.
[01:07] <lessgov2007blogs> Does dpkg fetch packges?
[01:07] <Daskreech_> Oh wow
[01:07] <Daskreech_> !gutsy
[01:07] <ign0ramus> yeah O_o
[01:08] <Serpardum> I'm using 7.10
[01:08] <Daskreech_> The repos for that have been shut off
[01:08] <ign0ramus> Daskreech_, well, they've been moved to 'archive'
[01:09] <Serpardum> lots of 404 errors :(
[01:09] <ign0ramus> Serpardum, is there a reason to stay on 7.10? it's reached it's EOL and you'll probably have better luck installing packages on a supported version with working repos
[01:09] <Serpardum> hopefully --fix-missing will fix it
[01:09] <Serpardum> I looked at the directory and that was the most current?  I'm running virtual machine
[01:09] <Serpardum> is there one > 7.10 vm?
[01:10] <Serpardum> oooh, it might have finsihed
[01:10] <Serpardum> okay, seems to be working  now
[01:11] <ign0ramus> Serpardum, :)
[01:12] <Serpardum> worked. ^^
[01:12] <ign0ramus> Serpardum, and so you now see how terminal rules.
[01:12] <Serpardum> yes, but in windows I wouldn't have to do this.  I'm not saying windows is better
[01:12] <lessgov2007blogs> yep
[01:12] <Serpardum> but it would be better if a l inux installer actualy worked without the user having to edit files, etc..
[01:12] <Walzmyn> This is freaking ridiculous
[01:13] <ign0ramus> Serpardum, no, you'd get a cryptic "not a valid win32 application", with no clues as to where to begin :)
[01:13] <lessgov2007blogs> You can do the sources list through the package manager if I'm not mistaken.
[01:13] <Daskreech_> Serpardum: you are on a distro where the servers have been shut off. :)
[01:13] <Walzmyn> no matter what flavor of 9.04 I use, i get file system errors and have to fsck my drive. but I can't go back to 8.10
[01:13] <ign0ramus> lessgov2007blogs, Serpardum: you can edit repos with package manager, yes.
[01:13] <lessgov2007blogs> "The mouse has moved, please restart Windoze for the changed to take effect!"
[01:14] <ign0ramus> lol
[01:14] <lessgov2007blogs> I'd rather deal with linux bugs, than help fund Bill Gates the Eugenicist.
[01:14] <Serpardum> There's still the most famous one of all.  Keyboard unplugged.  Press F1 to continue.
[01:14] <ign0ramus> classic.
[01:14] <lessgov2007blogs> lol
[01:14] <Daskreech_> Walzmyn: you can't?
[01:15] <Walzmyn> Daskreech_, reinstalled 8.10 twice and each time, after login i get a white screen
[01:16] <ign0ramus> Walzmyn, even trying to log in Failsafe X?
[01:16] <lessgov2007blogs> Besides, this computer was originally a Windoze 2000 machine, but with Jaunty I out perform my mothers brand new Vista, with my old 900MHz AMD, and 384MB of ram. So there! lol
[01:16] <Walzmyn> Daskreech_, i'd like to know why 9.04 is giving these filesystem errors
[01:16] <Daskreech_> Walzmyn: When?
[01:16] <Daskreech_> Walzmyn: Did you run a safemontools test on the drive ?
[01:17] <Walzmyn> Daskreech_, my 1yr old has climbed in my lap. I'll be back in a few
[01:17]  * Daskreech_ waves at lil Walzmyn
[01:17] <Serpardum> I know that it was possible in suse to upgrade linux live downloading
[01:17] <Serpardum> can yu with kubunuu?
[01:18] <Serpardum> *kubuntu
[01:18] <ign0ramus> Serpardum, what do you want to do?
[01:18] <vermin> why doesent kubuntu have opera web browser ?
[01:18] <lessgov2007blogs> Okay folks, I'll return if I can get this booger to freeze up again. http://lessgov2007.blogspot.com/
[01:18] <Serpardum> get kubuntu ugraded in my virtual machine
[01:18] <ign0ramus> vermin, you can install opera... i don't think it's in the repos, though
[01:19] <Walzmyn> vermin are you running 64 bit?
[01:20] <Walzmyn> Daskreech_, I did not run safemontools on the drive
[01:20] <Daskreech_> Serpardum: Hmm ? You mean upgrade to a new Kubunt ?
[01:20] <cjae> vermin, they have distro specific at their site
[01:20] <Serpardum> I'm actually running kubuntu-7.10-desktop-amd64.vmx inside of vista
[01:20] <Daskreech_> !opera | vermin
[01:20] <Serpardum> vista is horrible btw
[01:20] <Walzmyn> Daskreech_, i did a mem test and i've done the e2fsck or whatever that command is (have to look it up) on the drive
[01:20] <Daskreech_> !upgrade  | Serpardum
[01:20] <ign0ramus> Serpardum, you should be able to "sudo apt-get dist-upgrade" ... beware of breakage when upgrading!
[01:21] <Daskreech_> Serpardum: Do you particularly want KDE3 ?
[01:21] <Serpardum> since it's new install  dont' care
[01:21] <Serpardum> I jsut want linux to be honest
[01:21]  * Daskreech_ hits ign0ramus with a broom
[01:21] <Daskreech_> do-update-manager
[01:21] <Daskreech_> Serpardum: Where did you get the install from?
[01:22] <Serpardum> sudo apt-get dist-upgrade didnt' come back with anythign
[01:22] <Walzmyn> linux to be honest? what's that mean?
[01:22] <ign0ramus> Serpardum, try what Daskreech_ said.
[01:22] <ign0ramus> and watch out for his broom!
[01:23] <Serpardum> dskreeck: I downloaded a .zip file, exstracted the .vmx to a directorym, ran that in VMWare player.  that was my total install
[01:23] <Serpardum> I look at the directory I downloaed teh .vmx to and I see new files there.
[01:23] <Serpardum> it's a virtual linux I guess.  virtual machine
[01:24]  * Walzmyn shudders at linux being in an exe
[01:24] <Serpardum> well, I have to support window users for things
[01:24] <Serpardum> and the one thing linux can't do is games
[01:24] <ign0ramus> woot! xorg-edgers PPA just updated!
[01:24] <Serpardum> I mean there just ain't that many for linux
[01:24] <Daskreech_> Serpardum: oh wow.. ok
[01:24] <Serpardum> unless you run virtual machine for windows in linux
[01:24] <Walzmyn> actually linux can do games quite well. The drivers we're left with can't
[01:24] <Serpardum> this is actually runnign rather well
[01:24] <Serpardum> actually wurm works in linux
[01:24] <Daskreech_> Serpardum: There are hundreds of games for linux. There are not a lot of commercial games
[01:25] <ign0ramus> tux racer is surprisingly addictive
[01:25] <Serpardum> yeah, I've played most of those games
[01:25] <Walzmyn> linux uses much less resources whan winders so it'll run better virtual than winders
[01:25] <Walzmyn> Serpardum, does have a point. I miss Civ 4 and Diablo II
[01:25] <Serpardum> I acutaly had another box I was goign to install linux to but gave it to a friend, but it died
[01:26] <Daskreech_> Diablo II works in Linux
[01:26]  * Serpardum glances over at his Diablo I disk and whistles tunelessly
[01:26] <Daskreech_> Most blizzard games do
[01:26] <moi> hallo!
[01:26] <Walzmyn> Here's a secret though - blizzard writes their games in linux
[01:26] <ign0ramus> Walzmyn, SHHH!!!
[01:26] <Daskreech_> Serpardum: type sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade
[01:26] <Serpardum> I've heard that MacOS runs on linux/unix
[01:26] <Walzmyn> or, rather on linux boxes, they're still written for winders
[01:27] <Daskreech_> Walzmyn: Yeah that helps us how? :-)
[01:27] <ign0ramus> Serpardum, Macs run on a version of BSD which is Unix-based
[01:27] <Walzmyn> the core of OSX is from BSD Unix, with their GUI on top
[01:27] <ign0ramus> Serpardum, different than "Linux", though
[01:27] <Serpardum> nothign Daskreech_
[01:27] <Walzmyn> Daskreech_, well, it dosen't relaly help. but it does give hope
[01:27] <Daskreech_> Serpardum: When that's done try sudo do-release-upgrade
[01:28] <Serpardum> Daskreech_: : no files ther eto find.  0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded
[01:28] <Walzmyn> Serpardum, does the virtual machine have 'net access?
[01:28] <Serpardum> tryign that
[01:28] <ign0ramus> d'oh!
[01:28] <Serpardum> I"m on the virtual machine here so I hope so ^^
[01:28] <Serpardum> it's reading stuff
[01:29] <Serpardum> lets find out what happens ^^
[01:29] <Walzmyn> Serpardum, ok. t'was just checking
[01:29] <Serpardum> thjis would be cool if it works without tryign to overwrite my MBR
[01:29] <Walzmyn> Daskreech_, you have any idea what I can do about my filesystem errors?
[01:29] <ign0ramus> Walzmyn, get your drive checked would be a good start
[01:29] <Walzmyn> Daskreech_, there's a bug on launchpad where a couple other people are having hte same trouble
[01:29] <ign0ramus> Walzmyn, does it matter if you try ext3 or ext4?
[01:30] <Walzmyn> ign0ramus, i've done the fsck check, what else?
[01:30] <Serpardum> Hmm.. installing linux-headers-2.6.24-16 as dep of linux headers-2.6.24-16-generic.  looking good
[01:30] <Walzmyn> ign0ramus, when i upgraded it was ext3, i've used ext4 on all the reinstalls
[01:30] <Walzmyn> ign0ramus, same results
[01:30] <Daskreech_> Walzmyn: what is the error?
[01:31] <Walzmyn> slowly apps stop working, then when i restart i'm told the FS is currpted and i need to fsck.
[01:31] <Walzmyn> When I fsck I will get a thousand errors
[01:31] <Walzmyn> Sometimes it's a thousand in / and a few in /home, sometimes reversed
[01:31] <Daskreech_> Walzmyn: do you have that log?
[01:31] <Walzmyn> Daskreech_, of the fsck results?
[01:31] <Serpardum> Has there been any more talk about writing the linux core in c++?
[01:32] <Daskreech_> yes
[01:32] <Daskreech_> Serpardum: always
[01:32] <Daskreech_> Answer is always the same
[01:32] <tekteen> Serpardum, you shouldn't :-P
[01:32] <Serpardum> new is a pain
[01:32] <Daskreech_> Go and do it and stop bothering us
[01:32] <Serpardum> it's all because of c++'s memory managment that makes it hard, I know
[01:32] <Walzmyn> Daskreech_, i've still got the terminal window open (i'm on live cd) I guess i can copy paste it
[01:33] <Serpardum> Wait, is that the answer now?  Go ahead and write it in c++ and quit bugging us?  that has changed
[01:33] <Daskreech_> !paste
[01:34] <Daskreech_> Serpardum: :-)
[01:34] <Serpardum> If that's the official answer now I might start working on it ^^
[01:34] <Walzmyn> Daskreech_, yeah, i'm working on it.
[01:35] <Sevenhill> hello
[01:35] <Sevenhill> how can i change my 9.04 to 9.10 without reinstalling ?
[01:36] <Walzmyn> Daskreech_, http://paste.ubuntu.com/173335/      That wasn't all of it. It didn't go all the way back to the beginning
[01:37] <Daskreech_> !upgrade | Sevenhill
[01:37] <ign0ramus> Walzmyn, well the good news is your "Y" key works well :P
[01:37] <Daskreech_> Walzmyn: you have a live CD ?
[01:37] <Walzmyn> ign0ramus, it's been getting a lot of work this week. i've been though this a dozen times now
[01:37] <ign0ramus> Walzmyn, O_o
[01:37] <Walzmyn> Daskreech_, i'm on an Xubuntu one right now
[01:38] <Walzmyn> Daskreech_, i was tring different flavors to see if the problem was KDE
[01:38] <Daskreech_> Walzmyn: install smartmontools
[01:38] <Sevenhill> Daskreech_: but there isn't any info for 9.04 -> 9.10 in those pages
[01:39] <Walzmyn> Daskreech_, how?
[01:39] <Serpardum> I wonder if your hard drive is flakey Walzmyn
[01:39] <Walzmyn> Serpardum, that e2fsck (is that the right command?) said everyting was fine
[01:39] <Daskreech_> Sevenhill: Duh. 9.10 :-) Why do you want to run 9.10 ?
[01:39] <Daskreech_> !info smartmontools
[01:39] <Walzmyn> Serpardum, everything was working fine before i tried to upgrade, and winders is running just fine (damnit)
[01:40] <Walzmyn> Daskreech_, how do i install that while i'm running a live cd?
[01:40] <Daskreech_> Walzmyn: fsck doesn't check the drive it checks the filesystem.
[01:40] <Daskreech_> Walzmyn: same way you install when you are not using the liv Cd
[01:41] <Walzmyn> huh
[01:41] <Sevenhill> Daskreech_: because of intel video driver problems in 2.6.28 and i'm a newbei kde developer and i need some newer versions of libraries ( such as  boost 1.3.5 )
[01:41] <Walzmyn> Where's it installing them?
[01:41] <Daskreech_> Sevenhill: can I assume this is a spare machine that can be screwed up ?
[01:42] <Sevenhill> Daskreech_: i got my /home directory in a diffrent partition if you ask that
[01:42] <ign0ramus> Walzmyn, into memory, i would assume.
[01:43] <wereami> HEllo everyone
[01:43] <Sevenhill> Daskreech_:  so reinstalling new verion (9.10) won't delete any of my files including my kde-trunk but i'm a bit lazy to reinstall it :) thats the why i'm asking if there is a way to just upgrade it via apt-get or someother things
[01:44] <Walzmyn> Daskreech_, it's installed
[01:44] <Daskreech_> Walzmyn: open a konsole and run it on the hard drive
[01:44] <wereami> I am new to linux (ubuntu) Running Kubuntu 9.0.4, I have found some stuff on the net like tutorials and it seems they all expect you have some knowledge of linux. is there a site with more newbie type info.
[01:45] <Walzmyn> Daskreech_, smartmontools /dev/sda3  ???
[01:45] <ign0ramus> wereami, the (k)ubuntuforums, and here!
[01:45] <Daskreech_> Sevenhill: Honestly asking that question disqualifies you from running 9.10 currently I wouldn't suggest you run it on your main machine
[01:45] <wereami> sorry for the lame question but thank ignor
[01:45] <Walzmyn> wereami, not a lame questoin, we all had to learn
[01:46] <Daskreech_> wereami: And here. We can answer newb questions awell
[01:46] <Daskreech_> Sevenhill: No offence
[01:46] <wereami> just a bit rough from running windows my whole life
[01:46] <Daskreech_> wereami: IT is hard we understand
[01:46] <Walzmyn> Daskreech_, $smartmontools is not a valid command, how do you call this thing?
[01:46] <Daskreech_> CDDW
[01:46] <ign0ramus> wereami, i feel for you.  i migrated 2 years ago
[01:46] <Serpardum> wereami: You'll find in all linux places a lot of people seem contemptuos of people who don't know linux.  They're really not, they may seem that way, and you just have to deal with it :D
[01:46] <Daskreech_> Walzmyn: type smart and press tab twice
[01:46] <Sevenhill> Daskreech_: i have to install it :) otherwise i all need to compile some of libraries by manual and that makes all things mess
[01:47] <wereami> yah thats not a big issue. I am the same way with things I am fluent with also
[01:47]  * Serpardum shudders at tyring to compile libraries manually
[01:47] <Daskreech_> Sevenhill: ok You do understand that it's broken right?
[01:47] <Serpardum> I tried compling debian one time.  I still have nightmares about that.
[01:48] <Sevenhill> Daskreech_: sure i'm using linux to live with bugs :)
[01:48] <ign0ramus> Serpardum, even gentoo now has a cute little installer... times have changed
[01:48] <Daskreech_> Sevenhill: can you survive without X ?
[01:48] <Daskreech_> for say two weeks?
[01:48] <Serpardum> I started on redhat years ago
[01:48] <Serpardum> before that I learned unix in a school
[01:49] <ign0ramus> Daskreech_, trying to develop for kde would be a little tough without X, wouldn't you say?
[01:49] <Serpardum> before that was DOS 2.0
[01:49] <Daskreech_> ign0ramus: not always
[01:49] <Serpardum> before that IBMOS
[01:49] <Serpardum> before that wang basic ^^
[01:49] <ign0ramus> Serpardum, you been around :)
[01:49] <Sevenhill> Daskreech_: i can survive but i couldn't test my code without X :)
[01:49] <Serpardum> I got lucky, lived a block from a community college that let a 10 year old kid in their computer room
[01:50] <Daskreech_> Sevenhill: then run sudo do-release-upgrade -d and note that you were warned
[01:50]  * ign0ramus plays ominous music
[01:50] <Walzmyn> Daskreech_, this thing is spitting out a lot of info, but there's nothing marked in the fail column
[01:50] <Sevenhill> by the way what is the problem about X in 9.10 ?
[01:51] <Daskreech_> Walzmyn: that's good so far
[01:51] <Daskreech_> Sevenhill: I don't know but history says there will be one in about 3 weeks
[01:52] <wereami> someone here help with a newb issue I am assuming
[01:52] <nightdrever> ok, I have a SIS graphics card installed on my pc how do i know which model it is?
[01:52] <wereami> Trash won't let me put stuff in it. says the trash is to full
[01:52] <wereami> there a quick fix for this
[01:53] <Sevenhill> nightdrever: try lspci
[01:53] <nightdrever> seven hill how do i do that?
[01:53] <Serpardum> download complete.  hope the upgrade works ^^
[01:53] <Sevenhill> press alt+f2 and type konsole
[01:53] <Sevenhill> in konsole type lspci
[01:54] <nightdrever> no such file or directory
[01:55] <nightdrever> i have a SIS mirage graphics card....worked fine in windows
[01:55] <nightdrever> what to know if i can get it to work in lkinux
[01:56] <Daskreech_> wereami: I assume you have space on the drive?
[01:56] <wereami> plenty of space
[01:56] <wereami> I am running kubuntu 9.0.4 if that matters
[01:56] <Daskreech_> nightdrever: sudo lshw -C video
[01:56] <Sevenhill> wereami:  in dolphin find configure dolphin  under settings menu
[01:57] <Sevenhill> wereami: in configure part of dolphin there is trash part
[01:57] <Daskreech_> wereami: its 9.04 :)
[01:57] <wereami> sorry
[01:57] <wereami> typo
[01:57] <nightdrever>   *-display UNCLAIMED
[01:57] <nightdrever>        description: VGA compatible controller
[01:57] <nightdrever>        product: 661/741/760 PCI/AGP or 662/761Gx PCIE VGA Display Adapter
[01:57] <nightdrever>        vendor: Silicon Integrated Systems [SiS]
[01:57] <nightdrever>        physical id: 0
[01:57] <nightdrever>        bus info: pci@0000:01:00.0
[01:57] <Sevenhill> wereami:  in that part the default space for trash is %10
[01:57] <wereami> I am very new to linux
[01:57] <nightdrever>        version: 00
[01:57] <Daskreech_> wereami: The first number is the year the second is the month it came out
[01:57] <nightdrever>        width: 32 bits
[01:57] <nightdrever>        clock: 66MHz
[01:57] <nightdrever>        capabilities: pm agp agp-3.0 cap_list
[01:57] <nightdrever>        configuration: latency=0
[01:57] <Daskreech_> nightdrever: Stop
[01:57] <nightdrever> dunno how to get it to work?
[01:57] <Daskreech_> !paste | nightdrever
[01:57] <nightdrever> sorry
[01:57] <Daskreech_> !sis
[01:58] <Daskreech_> wereami: that's fine :)
[01:58] <Sevenhill> wereami: in there ( in configure of dolphin) the trash size is %10 of freesize
[01:58] <Sevenhill> make it bigger
[01:58] <Daskreech_> Ah that might be it
[01:59] <Sevenhill> wereami:  or unclick the "Limit to maximum size" option
[02:00] <wereami> cool
[02:00] <wereami> worked
[02:00] <wereami> sorry again for the newb question
[02:00] <Sevenhill> by the way i hate to use trash, i prefer to use "shift delete" :D
[02:00] <wereami> One more thing if I can bother you
[02:00] <ign0ramus> wereami, don't feel bad for learning :)
[02:00] <wereami> newb site for new linux users
[02:00] <Daskreech_> nightdrever: laptop?
[02:00] <Sevenhill> wereami:  if you order a beer to us sure you can ask :)
[02:00] <wereami> I would rather read than bug people for answers
[02:01] <wereami> Appreciate it guys
[02:01] <Serpardum> wereami: linux is an OS, there is just so much
[02:01] <wereami> I have been to many windows channles foir help in the past and never got such a quick response without being call a lamer or some trash
[02:01] <ign0ramus> wereami, many 'ubuntu' blogs either don't tell you what any of the commands mean, or many times have bad info.
[02:02] <Daskreech_> !forums
[02:02] <wereami> thats myt whole thing
[02:02] <Daskreech_> Hmm
[02:02] <ign0ramus> wereami, i think it's best to ask here, where at least Daskreech_ can hit me with a broom when he has a better alternative :)
[02:02] <Serpardum> what you may want to do sometime is ls /bin
[02:02] <wereami> it is all for people with some knowledge of linux
[02:02] <Serpardum> then man all those files
[02:02] <Serpardum> then ls /usr/bin
[02:02] <Serpardum> and man those
[02:02] <Serpardum> those are the commands
[02:02]  * Daskreech_ brandishes his broom and kakkles
[02:02] <Serpardum> man stands for "MANual" although they're usually out of date and hard to read
[02:02] <Daskreech_> !commands | wereami
[02:03] <ign0ramus> wereami, here's a handy reference guide (.pdf) http://files.fosswire.com/2008/04/ubunturef.pdf
[02:03] <wereami> yah, I have been using it for apt-get
[02:03] <Zxcvb> any quick tips for someone used to slackware?
[02:03] <Walzmyn> or hit alt-F2 and type konsole
[02:03] <wereami> some small things
[02:03] <wereami> still trying to get this installation from tar ball stuff down
[02:03] <Walzmyn> Zxcvb if you've been running slack, this should all be a cake walk
[02:03] <Daskreech_> Zxcvb: the commands are mostly the same apt pretty much rules. Sorry we aren't hardcore enough
[02:03] <Sevenhill> wereami: in Linux you will get responses most of times like " RTFM "
[02:04] <Daskreech_> wereami: What are you installing from source ?
[02:04] <Sevenhill> wereami:  do you know that it means "RTFM" ?
[02:04] <Walzmyn> wereami, why are you installing something from a tarball?
[02:04] <wereami> No, not sure what it means
[02:04] <ign0ramus> Sevenhill, i've never seen anyone here ever say that (without getting kicked)
[02:04] <Walzmyn> read the Fin' manual
[02:04] <wereami> well I have installed second life for my wife
[02:04] <Daskreech_> read the fine manual
[02:04] <wereami> from open source
[02:04] <wereami> tar ball
[02:04] <wereami> sorry
[02:04] <Daskreech_> Ah right :-)
[02:04] <Daskreech_> I don't know if that's in the ubuntu repos :)
[02:05] <Serpardum> ahh, wtf?  :(  quote: Sorry, the all-new Yahoo! Mail does not support your browser.
[02:05] <Sevenhill> ign0ramus: i'm saying just linux facts :D
[02:05] <Walzmyn> Serpardum, what you get for using yahoo mail
[02:05] <wereami> just alot to un learn
[02:05] <ign0ramus> Sevenhill, those are debian/slack responses ;)
[02:05] <Serpardum> I use yahoo mail, I use google mail, I use exhange
[02:05] <Serpardum> *exchange
[02:05] <Serpardum> I've used many mail readers.
[02:06] <Daskreech_> nightdrever: Still here?
[02:06] <Sevenhill> ign0ramus: :) for me debian = (k,x)ubuntu
[02:06] <ign0ramus> Serpardum, you can always try old Yahoo, or change browser id
[02:06] <ign0ramus> Sevenhill, in some respects yes, but in attitude towards n00bs, not even close
[02:06] <Daskreech_> Serpardum: If you have firefox you can pretty much ignore that and use it anyway of course
[02:06] <Serpardum> upgraded iddn't work.
[02:06] <Daskreech_> Serpardum: What did it do?
[02:06] <ubuntu_> yes
[02:06] <Walzmyn> I still find it rather amazing the things i'm able to do with a live CD
[02:06] <Serpardum> "Down downloaded.   A fatal error occured.  Please report..."
[02:06] <Serpardum> *Done
[02:07] <ubuntu_> sou portunal
[02:07] <Daskreech_> Serpardum: What was the error?
[02:07] <Daskreech_> !pt
[02:07] <ubuntu_> legal
[02:07] <Serpardum> lets see..
[02:07] <ubuntu_> me desculpa
[02:07] <ubuntu_> eu sou novo
[02:08] <Serpardum> file "/tmp/yada yada/DistUpgradeController.py
[02:08] <Serpardum> line 1585 in ...
[02:08] <Serpardum> wait, most recent last.  .... hmm
[02:08] <Serpardum> okay, top of list is the first error then
[02:09] <Serpardum> so hardy line 60 app.run()
[02:09] <Serpardum> self.fullUpgrade() in DistUpgradeController.py line 1585
[02:09] <Daskreech_> !br | ubuntu_
[02:09] <Serpardum> maybe I"ll just post the logs in pasteing bin
[02:09] <Daskreech_> thanks :)
[02:10] <Serpardum> let me type here so I remember them.  /var/log/dist-upgrade/main.log  /var/log/dist-upgrade/apt.log
[02:12] <nightdrever> darkreech im here
[02:12] <nightdrever> i dont know how to set up my graphics card
[02:13] <Serpardum> !paste
[02:14] <Serpardum> apt.log: http://paste.ubuntu.com/173347/
[02:15] <Serpardum> http://paste.ubuntu.com/173348/
[02:15] <ubuntu_> eu nao estou vendo esta comunidade amigo poderia me dar um help?
[02:15] <Daskreech_> nightdrever: You have no video ?
[02:15] <nightdrever> yes
[02:16] <Serpardum> the main.log seems to give the error best
[02:16] <nightdrever> i have video card
[02:16] <nightdrever> a sis one
[02:16] <nightdrever> dunno how to get it working
[02:16] <Daskreech_> ubuntu_: escrever /join #ubunt-br
[02:16] <Daskreech_> ubuntu_: escrever /join #ubuntu-br
[02:16] <Daskreech_> nightdrever: I'm asking why are you saying it's not working? You get no video at all ?
[02:17] <Serpardum> remember I"m running in vm so that might be why
[02:17] <ncfi1013__> does anybody here own an ipod?
[02:17] <nightdrever> i get video.....bit i cant evan use compiz fusion
[02:18] <nightdrever> in appearence....visual effect have to be none
[02:18] <Serpardum> Oh ****
[02:18] <Serpardum> fairly obvious from last line in file.
[02:18] <Serpardum> OSError: [Errno 12] Cannot allocate memory
[02:19] <ign0ramus> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/adept/+bug/154493
[02:20] <nightdrever> product: 661/741/760 PCI/AGP or 662/761Gx PCIE VGA Display Adapter....any ideas?
[02:20] <Daskreech_> nightdrever: You probably won't be able to with a Sis video card Sis removed all 3D from their linux drivers a few years ago
[02:20] <nightdrever> display UNCLAIMED
[02:20] <nightdrever> hmm
[02:20] <nightdrever> :-(
[02:20] <Daskreech_> nightdrever: There is a project ongoing to write FOSS ones but it's not quite there yet
[02:21] <mimiloon> hi everybody, i'm new to linux and have a problem and that is: there are multiple desktops (workspace), the aplications that are running on desktop 1 and are visible on other desktops; how can i resolve this?
[02:21] <Walzmyn> mimiloon, what do you mean th4ey are visiable on the other desktops?
[02:22] <Sevenhill> Daskreech_: http://ncc-1701a.homelinux.net/~linux-sis/index.php?page=Downloads
[02:22] <Serpardum> quote: exits due to an out of memory error when trying to spawn a thread. This low memory condition is caused by an infinite loop in the "doUpdate()" method in the DistUpgradeControler class
[02:22] <Serpardum> which was in fact in the call list
[02:22] <Daskreech_> Serpardum: hmm ok so how much memory does the VM have?
[02:23] <Serpardum> no, that's not the problem
[02:23] <Serpardum> there is an infinate loop in the upgrade
[02:23] <Serpardum> that keeps tryign to run a process in a thread
[02:23] <Serpardum> infinatley
[02:23] <Serpardum> runs out of memory evnetuall
[02:23] <Daskreech_> Serpardum: ok try sudo apt-get -f install
[02:23] <Serpardum> reading about it
[02:23] <Serpardum> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/adept/+bug/154493
[02:23] <Walzmyn> Serpardum, why don't you just DL a new CD and install it in the virtual machine?
[02:23] <Sevenhill> nightdrever: http://ncc-1701a.homelinux.net/~linux-sis/index.php?page=Downloads
[02:23] <Serpardum> because I have vmplayer
[02:23] <Serpardum> nto vmserver
[02:24] <Serpardum> vmplayuer runs already ... compiled? .. vm machines
[02:24] <Daskreech_> packaged
[02:24] <hagabaka> you can download the CD and upgrade from CD
[02:24] <Serpardum> ahh, I see al ink to a gutsy.gar.gz that's the patch
[02:24] <Serpardum> then I can run dist-upgrade.py
[02:25] <Serpardum> let me give the patch a try
[02:25] <Serpardum> dreak.  404 error
[02:27] <Daskreech_> where is it trying to contact?
[02:27] <mimiloon> Walzmyn: i mean: i have tried gnome and the aplications that are visible in one workspace aren't visible in other workspace but in kubuntu 9.04, when i switch the workspace, the applications are minimized but i can still see the applications that are opened in the bottom on the system tray in other workspace
[02:27] <ign0ramus> Serpardum, check the very last post
[02:27] <Daskreech_> mimiloon: You can turn that off
[02:28] <ign0ramus> Serpardum, nvm... they just attached logs in a tar.gz file
[02:29] <Serpardum> (I also just realized I misspelled the patch name. Oh well.)
[02:29] <Serpardum> duh.  he misspelled the dl name, no wonder 404 ^^
[02:29] <mimiloon> Daskreech_: can you please tell me how because i'm new to linux
[02:29] <Serpardum> nope, still 404
[02:31] <Walzmyn> mimiloon, you mean on the taskbar, not in the actuall workspace?
[02:31] <ign0ramus> Serpardum, it's probably been removed because 7.10 is no longer supported :(  see: http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/
[02:31] <Walzmyn> mimiloon, there was a setting in KDE3 - it was not tehre the last time i looked in KDE4, but it may have been added.
[02:32] <Serpardum> how do I apply a .patch file?
[02:33] <Serpardum> n/m patch command
[02:34] <mimiloon> Walzmyn: the programs that are shown in the taskbar appear in all workspace
[02:34] <MaineTim> mimiloon: right-click on the task bar in the blank spot next to or between the program icons, and select "Task Manager Settings".
[02:35] <Sevenhill> Daskreech_: 746 upgraded, 93 newly installed, 6 to remove , Need to get 610MB of archives. :) with my connection it is impossible to download
[02:36] <Daskreech_> Sevenhill: honestly a clean install is in almost all ways a better bet than an upgrade
[02:36] <Daskreech_> Esp if you have bandwidth issues
[02:37] <nazgul> buenas noches, saludos a todos
[02:37] <Daskreech_> Hola
[02:37] <Daskreech_> !es
[02:37] <Sevenhill> Daskreech_: you are right, i need to visit my university to download new iso and make some updates
[02:38] <Daskreech_> Sevenhill: Get a daily CD
[02:39] <Serpardum> GAH
[02:39] <mimiloon> MaineTim, and everybody: thanks alot, it given me a headache; maybe this is a bug because it was setup like that by default when i installed kubuntu
[02:39] <Serpardum> The original tmp file is gone
[02:39] <Serpardum> so I have the patch, but no file to patch it to.  let me read. *sigh*
[02:39] <Daskreech_> Serpardum: http://www.thoughtpolice.co.uk/vmware/
[02:41] <Serpardum> Annnnnd gutsy disto doesn't exist anymore
[02:41] <Serpardum> remember what I said?  In linux nothing is EVER easy ^^
[02:42] <Sevenhill> Serpardum: except broking your own system :)
[02:43] <Serpardum> lol  found the tmp dir anyway
[02:43] <Serpardum> okay, misght still be ablet o do this
[02:44] <astromme_laptop> Is there a ppa with Amarok 2.1b2 hiding around anywhere that folks know of?
[02:44] <epimeth> sooooooo.... who else is as impressed by 9.04 as I am? :-)
[02:45]  * astromme_laptop is happy with it. Much happier than he was with 8.10
[02:45] <epimeth> astromme_laptop: I think neon has it....
[02:45] <Sevenhill> Daskreech_: at least i can download iso image via ssh with 16.03 MB/s on my university account :D
[02:46] <Daskreech_> astromme_laptop: yesssssish
[02:48] <epimeth> astromme_laptop: http://amarok.kde.org/en/node/482 it is the amarok nightlies, actually
[02:49] <CoJaBo-Aztec> Is it possible to connect to a Cisco VPN in Kubuntu?
[02:50] <epimeth> CoJaBo-Aztec: yes but for me it was buggy... I had to download the gnome packages, too.  This was back in gutsy tho so it might be improved?
[02:50] <Serpardum> Okay, well, the patch file is broken, stupid things like missspelling controller with one l
[02:51] <Serpardum> other things I can't figure out since the patch is rejecting it
[02:51] <Serpardum> maybe I can download kubunto .iso and upgrade from that?
[02:51] <CoJaBo-Aztec> epimeth: I guess not. The text entry fields in Jaunty are not even functional!?
[02:51] <Serpardum> let me try "rebooting" and see what happens
[02:51] <epimeth> CoJaBo-Aztec: let me see...
[02:52] <astromme_laptop> epimeth: hmm, I guess neon works. One issue is that it is completely separate from my normal kde
[02:52] <astromme_laptop> i.e. doesn't follow the theme, etc..
[02:52] <CoJaBo-Aztec> Theres an option right in networkmanager, why put it there if it does nothing?
[02:52] <Serpardum> oh wtf, it changed my password I set?
[02:52] <Daskreech_> Serpardum: you can
[02:52] <astromme_laptop> CoJaBo-Aztec: The NM widget in Jaunty was pulled from the kde playground code repository
[02:52] <epimeth> astromme_laptop: oh?  what do you mean?
[02:53] <astromme_laptop> It is totally feasable that it might contain completely unfinished features, unfortunately
[02:53] <Serpardum> Okay, I"ll have ot wipe this one, copy the virtual machine again, reboot, download the iso, upgrade
[02:53] <Serpardum> see you on teh flipside
[02:53] <epimeth> Serpardum: adios
[02:53] <astromme_laptop> epimeth: I was just curious if there was one that replaced the current amarok package, all that. But it's right, this will do. Thanks :)
[02:53]  * astromme_laptop wishes him good luck
[02:53] <epimeth> ahh... kay :-)
[02:53] <CoJaBo-Aztec> astromme_laptop: Any chance this trend will end in future versions?
[02:53] <epimeth> CoJaBo-Aztec: did you install the cisco package?
[02:54] <astromme_laptop> CoJaBo-Aztec: yes. I hear murmurs of kubuntu pushing an updated version in jaunty-updates or something like that
[02:54] <epimeth> They are brining back KNetworkManager?  I thought we were sticking with the new plasmid?
[02:54] <astromme_laptop> CoJaBo-Aztec: And the widget itself will move out of playground in the future (not sure of a timeframe) in which case it will be held to higher quality standards
[02:55] <CoJaBo-Aztec> epimeth: No, just saw the option right in network manager, just assumed it would work. Guess thats yet another thing I need to put in a Windows VM?
[02:55] <astromme_laptop> epimeth: no, iirc we're sticking with the plasmoid (widget). It's just called the Network Management (NM) plasmoid
[02:55] <astromme_laptop> CoJaBo-Aztec: There is an experimental package that might have support
[02:55] <epimeth> CoJaBo-Aztec: ??? cisco isn't installed by default tho... at least not for me!  Did you upgrade or fresh install?
[02:55] <astromme_laptop> CoJaBo-Aztec: actually, it's the cisco vpn? I should try that, I'm running it from sources
[02:56] <astromme_laptop> CoJaBo-Aztec: VPNC or OpenVPN?
[02:56] <epimeth> oh...lol... vpnc.... my bad :-)
[02:57] <CoJaBo-Aztec> astromme_laptop: VPNC, the one that lists a "Cisco VPN" option in its non-functional config screen.
[02:57] <epimeth> CoJaBo-Aztec: do you want to give me the login info so I can test?
[02:57] <CoJaBo-Aztec> ...
[02:57] <epimeth> I can enter info just fine
[02:57] <astromme_laptop> wtf
[02:57] <astromme_laptop> don't give your info
[02:57] <CoJaBo-Aztec> epimeth: Does it save it?
[02:58] <astromme_laptop> CoJaBo-Aztec: do you mean in the "Optional Information" tab? Some fields are always greyed out for me
[02:59] <CoJaBo-Aztec> astromme_laptop: Required info does not save, and optional info cannot be entered.
[02:59] <epimeth> of course I'll *understand* if you don't give me the info, I just don't know of any VPN I can test with!
[03:00] <CoJaBo-Aztec> epimeth: Put in fake info, and see if it is still there when you click edit again. Also see if the optional info can be entered.
[03:01] <astromme_laptop> CoJaBo-Aztec: not saved here. Looks like an unimplemented feature, sorry :(
[03:02] <CoJaBo-Aztec> So why leave it there for release?
[03:02] <astromme_laptop> CoJaBo-Aztec: Well, the applet hasn't been released by its developer, so it's fine that it's in from his perspective I'm sure
[03:02] <astromme_laptop> And Kubuntu didn't remove it
[03:03] <astromme_laptop> so I guess in a way the kubuntu devs could have edited the applet to remove that screen
[03:03] <Serpardum> Do I want the Desktop CD or the Live CD?
[03:03] <astromme_laptop> which might have been the right idea, but it didn't happen. dunno
[03:03] <epimeth> CoJaBo-Aztec: yea, it looks like VPNC is still not supported in kubuntu... however, if it works like it did in prior versions then you just have to install the gnome network manager and when you save the info there you will be able to connect through the kubuntu one
[03:03] <Serpardum> I need to upgrade inside of kubuntu itself
[03:03] <astromme_laptop> Serpardum: either works? Live CD is probably what you want if you don't have lvm, raid
[03:03] <astromme_laptop> oh
[03:03] <astromme_laptop> hmm
[03:03] <astromme_laptop> that might be alternate cd
[03:04] <epimeth> Serpardum: if you are already installed why don't you just upgrade straight from the repos?  you don't need to download the disk again.....
[03:04] <epimeth> also, I prefer the alternate cd myself
[03:05] <Serpardum> epimeth: the repos are broken, tried that
[03:05] <astromme_laptop> ?
[03:05] <Serpardum> its becasue of the version I'm upgrading from
[03:05] <CoJaBo-Aztec> Lots of things are broken :/
[03:05] <Serpardum> the scripts are fuxored
[03:05] <astromme_laptop> How are the repos broken?
[03:05] <astromme_laptop> What are you upgrading from?
[03:05] <Serpardum> 7.soemthing
[03:05] <Serpardum> hang on
[03:06] <Serpardum> 7.10 virtual machine
[03:06] <epimeth> what scripts are fubared?
[03:06] <Daskreech_> Serpardum: The desktop CD is the live CD you want the Server CD
[03:06] <Serpardum> .. um
[03:07] <Daskreech_> Serpardum: or the alternate CD
[03:07] <Serpardum> kay, cause the alternative is what I"m dling
[03:07] <Serpardum> so that's right?
[03:07] <Daskreech_> Yes
[03:07] <Daskreech_> Which version ?
[03:07] <Serpardum> kay.
[03:07] <Serpardum> 9.04
[03:07] <Daskreech_> >_<
[03:07] <Serpardum> that's latest and greatest, right?
[03:07] <Daskreech_> That's going to break some stuf
[03:07] <Serpardum> other than alpha
[03:07] <Daskreech_> Yeah
[03:07] <Serpardum> what does it break?
[03:08] <Daskreech_> Ubuntu in general doesn't support random upgrades
[03:08] <astromme_laptop> 7.10? 7.10->8.04 isn't a supported upgrade path
[03:08] <Daskreech_> it's either from a release to a release+1 or from a LTS to a LTS +1
[03:08] <epimeth> speaking of breaking stuff... anybody have experience with bcm4328?
[03:08] <Serpardum> repeate after me.  NEVER easy ^^
[03:08] <Daskreech_> !broadcom
[03:08] <epimeth> lol
[03:08] <epimeth> nice
[03:09] <Daskreech_> Serpardum: You can get it working :) but lets just say it's not supported :)
[03:09] <Daskreech_> Serpardum: You try upgrade Windows 3.1 to Vista and see what happens :)
[03:09] <astromme_laptop> Serpardum: You would either have to upgrade from 7.10 -> 8.04 -> 9.04 or install clean
[03:09] <Serpardum> well, if I can get it working I can recompile if I have to
[03:09] <Serpardum> can't install clean, this is a virtual machine
[03:09] <Serpardum> which is why it has to be an upgrade
[03:10] <Daskreech_> Serpardum: did You see the link I threw at you?
[03:10] <Serpardum> 7.10 was the latest virtual machine I found
[03:10] <MaineTim> Serpardum: Why not install on new VM?
[03:10] <Serpardum> the upgrade one?
[03:10] <Serpardum> becaue I have vmplayer, not vmserver
[03:10] <astromme_laptop> Serpardum: you can't just install fresh?
[03:10] <Serpardum> I can't install a new one, only run one that already created.
[03:10]  * astromme_laptop uses VirtualBox
[03:10] <Daskreech_> Serpardum: No http://www.thoughtpolice.co.uk/vmware/
[03:11] <epimeth> Daskreech_: yea, the 28 isn't in the bc43 driver yet... I modprobe -r all the wireless network then add wl and b44 and restart the networking daemon and it works.  However, it doesn't stick after a reboot... I guess I'll suffer till it gets fixed :-)
[03:11] <astromme_laptop> Serpardum: http://www.virtualbox.org/
[03:11] <MaineTim> You can create new VMs elsewhere.
[03:11] <astromme_laptop> Serpardum: lets you create your own virtual machines
[03:11] <astromme_laptop> And run them nicely :)
[03:11] <Daskreech_> epimeth: You can force it to be there I remember having to do that
[03:11] <Serpardum> ahh, hmm.. lots there, no kubuntu though  oh well, will have to go with. hmm..
[03:12] <epimeth> Daskreech_: I saw nothing about that in my hour long search last night... :-)  so I posted in ubuntuforums but nobody has gotten back to me yet
[03:12] <Serpardum> I guess I could go with ubuntu
[03:13] <astromme_laptop> Serpardum: I strongly suggest installing VirtualBox and using the LiveCd/Alternative install disk for 9.04
[03:13] <epimeth> Serpardum: wait what?  why don't you "format" the virtual hard drive?
[03:13] <Serpardum> because I'm running a .vmx file
[03:13] <astromme_laptop> Serpardum: you can create a virtual machine (it's super super easy) using virtualbox
[03:14] <Daskreech_> Serpardum: you can make Ubuntu into Kubuntu pretty easily
[03:14] <Daskreech_> !purekde
[03:14] <Serpardum> wait, astromme_laptop: got a link?
[03:14] <Serpardum> let me find virtualbox I guess
[03:14] <Daskreech_> epimeth: You have to blacklist the drivers that supplant it
[03:14] <astromme_laptop> Serpardum: http://virtualbox.org
[03:16] <Daskreech_> Serpardum: is anything tying you to vmware ?
[03:16] <Daskreech_> !info virtualbox
[03:16] <Serpardum> VirtualBox != VMWare?
[03:16] <Daskreech_> Oh right Of course >_< installing it on windows
[03:16] <Serpardum> that is what I create in virtual box won't work in VMWare?
[03:17] <astromme_laptop> Serpardum: no, it is not the same but it serves the same purpose
[03:17] <Daskreech_> You can get a converter I think
[03:17] <astromme_laptop> Serpardum: no, it will not work in vmware. But virtualbox will run its own images
[03:17] <Serpardum> Okay, as long as it works in vista I"ll switch to it
[03:17] <Serpardum> is there a kubuntu virtual machine out there?
[03:17] <Serpardum> for virtualbox?
[03:17] <Daskreech_> Serpardum: mebbe
[03:17] <astromme_laptop> Serpardum: you can create one, it's drop dead easy
[03:17] <Daskreech_> Serpardum: You don't need one. That's what we are trying to tell you
[03:17] <astromme_laptop> Serpardum: just download the cd
[03:18] <Serpardum> downloading it now
[03:18] <Serpardum> 56% down
[03:18] <Serpardum> okay, let me install vitual box
[03:18] <Serpardum> hmm.. let me switch to mirc
[03:19] <ubuntu_> hhhhi
[03:20] <ubuntu_> ola
[03:21] <Daskreech_> Hola
[03:21] <epimeth> speaking of virtual machines.... I'm gonna go see if my processor will work with kvm.  bbl
[03:21] <Daskreech_> Stepping out to get some Chicken
[03:21] <ubuntu_> eu quero a versao portugues vc pode medar help?
[03:22] <Daskreech_> !pt
[03:22] <Serpardum[DM]> Hopefully vitualbox will be more friendly than vmware ^^
[03:23] <astromme_laptop> Serpardum[DM]: I find it quite easy to use
[03:23] <Serpardum[DM]> so, what, I install vmware, create a new vitual machine, run the iso?>
[03:23] <Daskreech_> Serpardum: You mena vbox
[03:24] <Daskreech_> !info vbox
[03:24] <astromme_laptop> Serpardum[DM]: replace vmware with virtualbox and yes
[03:24] <Daskreech_> !vbox
[03:24] <Serpardum[DM]> umm. yeah ^^
[03:25] <Daskreech_> !info virtualbox-ose
[03:25] <Daskreech_> There we go :)
[03:25] <Daskreech_> So you can install virtual Box on Vista then install virtualbox-ose in Kubuntu then install Windows 7 inside there :)
[03:28] <astromme_laptop> A third name? lol Serpardum[] :)
[03:29] <Serpardum[]> mirc reconnected after virtualbox installed the network whatever
[03:29] <Serpardum[]> wow, this server doesn't time out nicks very well does it ?
[03:29] <astromme_laptop> guess not
[03:34] <Serpardum[]> I was going to mount the .iso image in windows with a driver, but thinking about it, dont' think ubuntu could see it ^^
[03:35] <ahmos> hi there is a package i wanna uninstall but it asks me to uninstall amarok as well, how to uninstall it only
[03:36] <astromme_laptop> ahmos: amarok might depend on the package, what is it?
[03:37] <astromme_laptop> Serpardum[]: nah, VirtualBox will do that for you
[03:37] <ahmos> libfprint
[03:37] <astromme_laptop> Serpardum[]: Just run the create virtual machine wizard
[03:37] <astromme_laptop> then when you first turn it on it asks for an iso
[03:39] <astromme_laptop> ahmos: dunno
[03:39] <ahmos> :) ok thank's any way
[03:40] <Serpardum[]> when it asks for OS, kubuntu is not listed but ubuntu is, do I just select ubuntu, or other?
[03:41] <astromme_laptop> Serpardum[]: ubuntu
[03:41] <Serpardum[]> thx
[03:41] <astromme_laptop> Serpardum[]: it asks because it sets up some custom stuff. The base of ubuntu is the same as the base of Kubuntu
[03:44] <epimeth> aaaand back
[03:44] <Serpardum[]> Hmm.. for a 3gb machine whats a good base memory size?
[03:44] <Serpardum[]> 1gb?
[03:44] <epimeth> so I guess I don't have hardware virtualization :-(
[03:44] <epimeth> that is really sucky
[03:45] <Gamarok__> good morning guys
[03:45] <Serpardum[]> good evening
[03:45] <galvanize> where are most of the applications stored?
[03:45] <Serpardum[]> it's suggesting 384MB but that seems kinda small for me, but is it okay for kubuntu?
[03:46] <Gamarok__> well its morning from where i am talking
[03:47] <astromme_laptop> Serpardum[]: I would do more if you can spare it
[03:47] <astromme_laptop> Serpardum[]: how much do you have in the host machine? I would suggest 768-1024MB of ram if you have greater than 2GB in the host
[03:47] <Serpardum[]> I have 3gb in the host
[03:47] <Serpardum[]> getting confused now by the hard drive thing
[03:47] <astromme_laptop> oh, reading backlog... yes, 1GB should be great
[03:47] <Serpardum[]> dont' understand the question
[03:48] <astromme_laptop> Serpardum[]: VirtualBox has a "virtual hd manager"
[03:48] <astromme_laptop> what's the question?
[03:48] <Serpardum[]> "Virtual Hard Drive"
[03:49] <Serpardum> "Select a hard drive image to be used as the boot hard disk..."
[03:49] <astromme_laptop> Serpardum: hit new and follow the prompts
[03:49] <Serpardum> boot Hard Disk (Primary master)
[03:49] <astromme_laptop> I suggest 8-16GB image, depending on your freespace
[03:49] <Serpardum> Is that my C drive?  I would prefer to use my E drive
[03:49] <Serpardum> My E drive has like 500 gb free
[03:50] <Daskreech_> Serpardum: so use that then
[03:51] <epimeth> Serpardum: so go right ahead and use that then.... heck, give it 20GB!
[03:51] <Serpardum> Okay, giving it 100gb
[03:52] <epimeth> lol
[03:52] <Serpardum> that's max size, it's dynamic
[03:52] <epimeth> Serpardum: do you have any experience with KVM?
[03:52] <Daskreech_> !kvm
[03:52] <Serpardum> KVM switches, but your'e probably talking about somethign else
[03:52] <epimeth> lol
[03:53] <epimeth> Daskreech_: I'm reading that, but I'm hoping that maybe I can use it without hardware virtualization?  or maybe I have it but can't figure out how to turn it on?
[03:53] <epimeth> :-)
[03:53] <Daskreech_> what cpu do you have?
[03:54] <epimeth> intel core2 duo t6400
[03:54] <astromme_laptop> How nice of you all to return :)
[03:55] <epimeth> just for you astrom :-p
[03:55] <astromme_laptop> epimeth: :). I was one of 5 in the channel... one of 28 in #ubuntu where there are now 1372 people
[03:56] <astromme_laptop> epimeth: that should have hardware virtualization
[03:56] <astromme_laptop> Mine does (it's a core 2 duo)
[03:56] <Serpardum> working good, installing now
[03:57] <epimeth> maybe dell disabled it somehow?  I poured through the BIOS settings and didn't see anything about hardware virutalization....
[03:57] <Daskreech_> !netsplit
[03:58] <epimeth> I love the scrolling list of disconnect/reconnects after a netsplit... its the highlight of my life
[03:58] <Daskreech_> astromme_laptop: not true It's a crap shoot with intel
[03:58] <Daskreech_> you can buy a CPU way more expensive and it won't have VT
[03:59] <astromme_laptop> hmm, interesting
[03:59] <astromme_laptop> epimeth: lol :)
[03:59] <epimeth> soooo... I'm confused now... should I have it or not?  and if so, why isn't it in /proc/cpuinfo?
[04:00] <Serpardum> astromme: LVM or not?
[04:01] <astromme_laptop> Serpardum: I suggest not
[04:01] <galvanize> hi all, my keyboard shortcuts do not seem to work. Using 9.04. Anyone else have the same issue?
[04:01] <astromme_laptop> You're on a vm, keep it simple
[04:01] <Daskreech_> epimeth: http://communities.intel.com/message/13452
[04:02] <epimeth> Serpardum: yea, definitely not LVM...
[04:02] <Daskreech_> galvanize: does the keyboard work?
[04:03] <epimeth> Daskreech_: ummmm... there is no response there, but thanks for the attempted help :-)
[04:03] <Daskreech_> epimeth: no response?
[04:03] <epimeth> to the guy's question
[04:04] <Daskreech_> yes but he did some research :)
[04:04] <galvanize> Daskreech_: :) yes.
[04:05] <galvanize> Daskreech_: Fresh install, shortcuts never worked.
[04:05] <Serpardum> You talking about the loadable kernal module kvm.ko epimeth?
[04:05] <Serpardum> for kvm?  Perhaps you have to tell it to load the module
[04:06] <Serpardum> did you read the HOWTO for how to get kvm to run on your machine?
[04:06] <Serpardum> http://www.linux-kvm.org/page/HOWTO1
[04:07] <epimeth> Serpardum: it telling me my cpu doesnt support it
[04:07] <Clown_Knife> hey all when ever I go to watch a dvd created on my samsung pvr unit I get access denied i can access as root and watch dvd, this does not happen with other dvd movies any help please
[04:07] <Serpardum> Well, the page does say you need an Intel with VT or an AMD
[04:07] <Daskreech_> which it doesn't
[04:08] <Daskreech_> http://ark.intel.com:80/Product.aspx?id=40479
[04:08] <epimeth> ooohhhhhh.... Daskreech_ I'm looking at the link he posted... is it the VT-x?
[04:08] <Serpardum> A VT capable Intel processor, or an SVM capable AMD processor
[04:09] <epimeth> grrr.... wtf
[04:09] <Serpardum> The T6400 does not support VT-x
[04:09] <Daskreech_> yes
[04:09] <Serpardum> according to the link Daskreech_ gave
[04:09] <epimeth> you guys talking about virtualization made me suddenly realize that I have a brand new laptop with a dual core, so I assumed I could finally check out kvm.  Now I'm sad again
[04:09] <Serpardum> actually, no, it's embedded?
[04:10] <Daskreech_> Clown_Knife: it only happens with one movie?
[04:10] <Serpardum> er, no, doesngt have
[04:10] <Serpardum> software emulation epimeth ^^
[04:10] <Clown_Knife> it only happens with any movies from my samsung pvr unit all other movies work fine
[04:10] <Daskreech_> Clown_Knife: streaming them?
but I want harware emulatiooooooooooon</whine>
[04:11] <astromme_laptop> epimeth: Hmm, I have a L7700 and it has VT-x
[04:11] <astromme_laptop> oh well
[04:12] <Serpardum> 7700 > 6400
[04:12] <Clown_Knife> Daskreech_, no just trying to watch with xine mplayer dragon player or just trying to look at files on dvd thru dolphin or konqueror it shows nothing but if i open kdesudo konqueror and then access dvd i can see video folder and files etc
[04:13] <Daskreech_> Serpardum: Doesn't mean anything
[04:13] <astromme_laptop> ugh, slow slow slow I hate slow laptop hard drives
[04:13] <Daskreech_> the 8200 doesn't have VT-x
[04:13] <astromme_laptop> my system grinds to a halt when I do anything disk intensive
[04:14] <astromme_laptop> Others have the same issue with Linux? Any tips on how to alleviate it?
[04:15] <Serpardum> astromme: I think it's an issue with your slow ass hd
[04:15] <astromme_laptop> Serpardum: true, and I expect the program needing the hd to be slow
[04:15] <Daskreech_> Serpardum: Hows your install?
[04:15] <Serpardum> You might try a bigger hd cache
[04:15] <astromme_laptop> but like my desktop completely freezes up
[04:15] <Serpardum> 35% of software install
[04:16] <JabberWokky> astromme: Is it a normal hard drive, or is it some other kind of media?
[04:16] <Daskreech_> Serpardum: How fast is your net?
[04:16] <Serpardum> 5mb
[04:16] <JabberWokky> astromme_laptop: Is it a normal hard drive, or is it some other kind of media?
[04:17] <Serpardum> He said it was laptop hd I thought
[04:18] <astromme_laptop> JabberWokky: it's just my normal 5400rpm laptop hd
[04:18] <Serpardum> ewww, 5400rpm?
[04:18] <Serpardum> a normal hd is 7200 rmp
[04:18] <astromme_laptop> it's a laptop, that's normal
[04:18] <Serpardum> 8600 is soem faster ones
[04:18] <Serpardum> You might want to change the interleave on it
[04:18] <Serpardum> but that would require new format
[04:18] <astromme_laptop> but anyways, the same thing happens on my desktop (7200 rpM) when I have high disk io
[04:18] <JabberWokky> Ah, yes.  I see it in the scroll back now (missed it, sorry).  Nope, I've run into that in fuse reconnects and SD media, and know how to tweak those two.
[04:19] <Serpardum> hwo do you tweak them JabberWokky?
[04:19] <Serpardum> cache?
[04:19] <JabberWokky> If it's just a normal HD, I've only seen it get really slow when the app itself is doing something intensive.
[04:19] <CoJaBo-Aztec> Does anyone know what the command is to install a .deb file?
[04:20] <Serpardum> http://www.everyjoe.com/newlinuxuser/howto-use-dpkg-to-install-deb-files/
[04:20] <Serpardum> I just googled for "install .deb file" and a how to popped up
[04:20] <Serpardum> google is your friend ^^
[04:20] <astromme_laptop> JabberWokky: you don't ever experience super slowdown of the entire gui? All windows, the desktop effects, window redraw, etc
[04:20] <JabberWokky> Serpardum: No, actually, the fail and retry settings are, by default, fairly high.  However, fuse can actually functionally lock the entire mounted fs system as apps wait on the mountpoint to time out.
[04:21] <CoJaBo-Aztec> Serpardum: Ah, dkpg, I was mispelling it... Thanks.
[04:21] <CoJaBo-Aztec> Er, *dpkg
[04:21] <JabberWokky> astromme_laptop: Not really.  It's slow when I'm doing something like encoding video over an sshfs connection, but that's a pretty hefty system load.
[04:21]  * astromme_laptop frowns
[04:22]  * astromme_laptop has it on any linux computer he has used. oh well. 
[04:22]  * astromme_laptop is fine during high cpu loads
[04:22]  * astromme_laptop just isn't fine during high io loads
[04:22] <Serpardum> that is strange astromme, I've never expereinced that problem in linux
[04:23] <JabberWokky> Serpardum: If you use fuse and are having issues (especially with KDE apps trying to see if there's a .directory file pausing as they wait to time out), I can kick you my opts.
[04:23] <CoJaBo-Aztec> Ok, dpkg failed but at least it gave an error better than "A problem we were not expe"!
[04:23] <Serpardum> install complete, rebooting vm
[04:23] <Serpardum> heh
[04:23] <JabberWokky> astromme_laptop: Yeah, that is an odd problem... you might want to check your system log to make sure that drive isn't kicking errors akin to "I'm about to horribly fail on you".
[04:24] <CoJaBo-Aztec> Anyone know when KPackageKit is going to be fixed?
[04:27] <RixAeris> test
[04:27] <epimeth> !ping | RixAeris
[04:27] <epimeth> oh lol
[04:28] <Serpardum[]> wee, install done
[04:28] <JabberWokky> Heh.  I'd never seen what happens when you | nonexistant.
[04:28] <Serpardum[]> Oooh, I hate Quassel IRC
[04:28] <epimeth> why?
[04:28] <epimeth> I'm liking it so far
[04:28] <Serpardum[]> it lines all the nicks up
[04:28] <Serpardum[]> too much space on left
[04:28] <epimeth> lol
[04:28] <Serpardum[]> wasted space
[04:28] <epimeth> I noticed and thought "finally!"
[04:28] <epimeth> :-)
[04:28] <JabberWokky> I'm okay with it... I basically use it because it beats most other redirectors
[04:29] <Serpardum[]> kommunicator or whatever was nice
[04:29] <epimeth> konversation was great
[04:29]  * astromme_laptop is very happy with Quassel
[04:29] <epimeth> muuuuch better than the others
[04:29] <JabberWokky> Serpardum: Yes, but it doesn't run the core on my server and allow me to connect from various laptops.
[04:29] <Serpardum[]> yeah.  I don't see the install app thing on this hmm
[04:29] <astromme_laptop> I love the core -> client model
[04:30] <Serpardum[]> JabberWokky: we are talking irc clients here right?
[04:30] <JabberWokky> Serpardum: Yes.  One of the nice things about Quassel is that it is split into a core -> client.
[04:31] <Serpardum[]> I might be impressed if I knew what that meant
[04:31] <JabberWokky> Serpardum: You run the core on any computer, and then the client on any other computer.  My core runs on my home server, the client on any computer I happen to be on.  It allows me to look back when I reconnect.
[04:31] <astromme_laptop> ^^ what he said :(
[04:31] <Serpardum> exit
[04:31] <astromme_laptop> :)*
[04:31] <epimeth> oooooohhhhh. the new vbox is prettty
[04:32] <astromme_laptop> epimeth: 2.2? as opposed to what?
[04:33] <epimeth> whatever was in the 8.10 repo
[04:33] <astrobear> apt-get install privoxy gives me this error:
[04:33] <astrobear> The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[04:33] <astrobear>   koffice-libs-kde4: Depends: koffice-data-kde4 (>= 1:1.9.98.5-0ubuntu1~intrepid1) but it is not going to beinstalled
[04:34] <Serpardum[]> Hmm.. astromme: I can't seem to get my system display > 800x600  Is there a trick to it?
[04:34] <astrobear> apt-get -f doesn't resolve the issue:
[04:34] <astrobear>  trying to overwrite `/usr/share/icons/oxygen/16x16/actions/object-order-back.png', which is also in packagekde-icons-oxygen
[04:34] <astrobear> i've had this several times in the past :
[04:34] <astrobear> \
[04:39] <phrozen> are there any known issues with doing a 'apt-get update' atm?
[04:39] <epimeth> phrozen: I literally *just* ran an update and an install... worked fine for m
[04:39] <epimeth> e
[04:40] <phrozen> hmm... im getting stuck at 99%. before that i was getting signature errors. this is all on a brand new 9.04 install
[04:41] <epimeth> phrozen: does KPackageKit work?
[04:42] <phrozen> no idea - i only have ssh access to the box atm
[04:42] <epimeth> oh... hrm
[04:42] <phrozen> its my work computer and i convinced my boss to let me run linux and now i cant install anything lol :D
[04:42] <astromme_laptop> oh noes!
[04:43] <epimeth> ouch
[04:43] <cjae> !search
[04:43] <epimeth> sorry to hear that
[04:43] <cjae> !strigi
[04:43] <epimeth> anyway folks... midnight is late enough for me, tonight
[04:43] <epimeth> see you all laters
[04:43] <astrobear> hey astromme_laptop... you should really consider removing 'astro' from your username ;)
[04:44] <MushroomKingdom> Can someone help me with my Vbox? #vbox doesn't seem to be able to help
[04:44] <josh___> g'night yall.
[04:44] <astromme_laptop> astrobear: oh noes! I've awoken the beast again!
[04:44] <astrobear> buenos noches amigo
[04:44] <astrobear> raawwrr
[04:44] <astrobear> no actually dependency hell got to me first
[04:44] <astromme_laptop> Serpardum: Hmm... resoution issues? no idea
[04:44] <cjae> OK, I have 4.2.3 now, and is the search finally fully functional?
[04:45] <astromme_laptop> astrobear: ahh, I see ;)
[04:45] <astromme_laptop> astrobear: well, it's kind of hard. My first name starts with an a and the last with stromme. /shrug
[04:45] <astromme_laptop> cjae: For strigi: You access strigi through Nepomuk in 4.2.x
[04:46] <astromme_laptop> cjae: and in Kubuntu you want the sesame2 nepomuk backend
[04:46] <astrobear> aah
[04:46] <astromme_laptop> But there is a bug.... with a java symlink
[04:46] <astromme_laptop> I had to google for help on how to fix it
[04:46] <astrobear> stromme is cool, sounds like pastromi
[04:46] <astromme_laptop> hehe
[04:50] <cjae> astromme_laptop, so would you recommend strigi
[04:51] <astromme_laptop> cjae: well, that is what Kubuntu will be centered around
[04:51] <astromme_laptop> but you would need to manually do the java symlink fix
[04:51] <cjae> shouldn't be too hard
[04:51] <cjae> right
[04:53] <astromme_laptop> cjae: not too hard
[04:53] <astrobear> apt-get build-dep kde-icons-oxygen was the solution
[04:53] <astromme_laptop> iirc it was symlinking /usr/lib/javaimplementation/something/libjvm.so /usr/lib/libjvm.so
[04:53] <astrobear> it's a kubuntu bug that has been alive the entire life of intrepid
[04:53] <astromme_laptop> astrobear: the strigi?
[04:54] <solidus-river> um, gcc is broken
[04:54] <astrobear> astromme_laptop: dunno
[04:54] <solidus-river> i did an apt-get install build-essential and apt-get install gcc
[04:54] <ichudov> I find that I like a lot of KDE programs and, for the kicks, I want to
[04:54] <ichudov> try KDE. However, I want to continue to use the familiar GDM, keep
[04:54] <ichudov> Gnome as the default option for all users, etc. Anyone knows what
[04:54] <ichudov> package should I install?
[04:55] <solidus-river> i have a program that is #include <iostream> using namespace std;  int main () {   cout << "Hello World!";   return 0; }
[04:55] <astromme_laptop> ichudov: I think you should be able to install kubuntu-desktop and things shouldkeep their defaults
[04:55] <solidus-river> that program returns a ton of errors concerning iostream
[04:55] <ichudov> astromme, awesome, thanks, I will try.
[04:55] <astromme_laptop> at most you might have to do an apt-get reconfigure gdm
[04:56] <ichudov> OK, I will write it down just in case.
[04:57] <astromme_laptop> ichudov: hold up a sec
[04:58] <astromme_laptop> wasn't quite the right command, I need to look it up
[04:58] <ichudov> install asked what should be the default display manager, to which I answered gdm. Very encouraging
[04:58] <astromme_laptop> yes, that's good
[04:58] <astromme_laptop> ichudov: you might get the kubuntu branding during boot... there is a package to remove if you don't want it but I don't remember it off the top of my head
[04:58] <ichudov> I love especially krusader, konversation etc
[04:58] <ichudov> I would like to remove it to avoid confusion, I have a whole family
[04:59] <astromme_laptop> ichudov: ok, so it looks like if something goes wrong with kdm/gdm, the command is "dpkg-reconfigure gdm"
[05:00] <ichudov> OK, I wrote that down.
[05:00] <astromme_laptop> ichudov: and it also looks like the usplash (booting screens) are called "kubuntu-artwork-usplash"
[05:00] <ichudov> I am rebooting that box and will soon walk to it to see
[05:00] <astromme_laptop> ichudov: so you might want to remove that
[05:01] <astromme_laptop> and then do the dpkg-reconfigure usplash-theme-ubuntu
[05:01] <astromme_laptop> that's if you see kubuntu branding at boot
[05:02] <ichudov> aptitude remove kubuntu-artwork-usplash prompts to remove kubuntu-desktop. That's OK, right?
[05:02] <ichudov> I think that I can set usplash theme from StartUp-Manager.
[05:02] <ichudov> I am not too worried about it.
[05:03] <astromme_laptop> ichudov: sure, it is fine to remove the desktop metapackage
[05:03] <ichudov> OK, I will hold off on that yet
[05:03] <ichudov> I will go away for a few to try that desktop, it is upstairs
[05:09] <Serpardum[DM]> UG
[05:09] <Daskreech1> GE
[05:09] <bacon000> I can't figure out how change the IP address from dynamic to static in Kubuntu 9.04.  Any ideas?
[05:09] <Serpardum[DM]> How do I get kubuntu to accept a screen size other than 800x600 and 640x480?
[05:10] <Daskreech1> Spank it
[05:10] <astromme_laptop> Serpardum[DM]: I think you need to install the vbox guest additions
[05:10] <Serpardum[DM]> virtualbox guess additions?  hmnm
[05:10] <astromme_laptop> Serpardum[DM]: when the vm is running, go to Devices -> guest additions
[05:11] <astromme_laptop> it'll mount a cd in the client
[05:11] <astromme_laptop> click that
[05:11] <Serpardum[DM]> yeah, it did that
[05:11] <Serpardum[DM]> it mounted a CD
[05:11] <astromme_laptop> then open a terminal (press f4 if you're in dolphin) and run 'sudo sh ./VBoxLinux-something-x86-something.sh
[05:14] <Serpardum[DM]> you know where that VBoxLinux thingie is found?
[05:14] <astromme_laptop> Serpardum[DM]: in /media/cdrom ?
[05:14] <Serpardum[DM]> I installed from iso
[05:14] <astromme_laptop> or /media/VBOXADDITIONS ?
[05:15] <astromme_laptop> Serpardum[DM]: I understand
[05:15] <astromme_laptop> Serpardum[DM]: but this is a different iso
[05:15] <astromme_laptop> Serpardum[DM]: It mounted a virtual cd for the guest
[05:15] <Serpardum[DM]> ahhhhh
[05:16] <astromme_laptop> Serpardum[DM]: just run in the guest "sudo sh /media/cdrom/VBoxLinuxAdditions-x86.run"
[05:16] <Serpardum[DM]> hmm.. ls /cdrom and ls /cdrom0 and showing nothing
[05:16] <astromme_laptop> /media/cdrom not /cdrom :P
[05:17] <Serpardum[DM]> yeah, I know, I'm in media direcotry
[05:17] <ichudov> astromme, I am back in the basement. I configured boot to boot with ubuntu theme. Logged into KDE. I was totally astonished. This KDE stuff is so incredible, the eye candy is mind boggling and things look very attractive. So far I use FVWM (for the last 13 years), Gnome desktop (for the last 2 years) and now KDE. I have to say that for real high productivity programming, FVWM still cannot be beat, but where eye candy
[05:17] <ichudov> matters, KDE rules!!! I will play with it to see how stable it is. If it is, I may switch my laptop to KDE.
[05:17] <astromme_laptop> Serpardum[DM]: ok, then it is ./cdrom (note the .)
[05:17] <Serpardum[DM]> okay, getting there.
[05:18] <nightdrever>  /msg c0ntract0r  hello
[05:18] <Serpardum[DM]> naw, was a window after I told it to insgtall additions had to click on
[05:18] <astromme_laptop> ichudov: great :) I'm glad you like it
[05:18] <Serpardum[DM]> it's browsing now.  no freaking idea why
[05:18] <astromme_laptop> go figure
[05:18] <ichudov> I saw a Mac once, and I got to say that KDE is better.
[05:18] <Serpardum[DM]> and now it's mounted
[05:18] <astromme_laptop> ichudov: lol
[05:18] <ichudov> thanks, I will leave now so as not to clog this channel, thanks a lot!
[05:19] <astromme_laptop> ichudov: glad it's working for you. If you need help, come back and ask around here
[05:19]  * Serpardum[DM] loks over at the 200+ users in this channels
[05:19] <astromme_laptop> ichudov: KDE has made huge striides since 4.0 a year ago. I agree, it's quite nice now :)
[05:19] <astromme_laptop> Serpardum[DM]: compare that with 1300 for #ubuntu
[05:21] <Daskreech1> 4.3 Is a little nicer than 4.2
[05:21] <Daskreech1> Sort of how 4.1 was a little nicer than 4.0
[05:22] <Serpardum[DM]> much much better.
[05:22] <Daskreech1> sudo man are you asking for it
[05:23]  * astromme_laptop is happy with 4.3. Lots of polish and some new exciting tidbits
[05:23] <Daskreech1> astromme: Ha ha That's where the deja vu is from
[05:23] <Daskreech1> You know something is done right when someone says "Logged into KDE. I was totally astonished. This KDE stuff is so incredible"
[05:24] <astromme_laptop> Daskreech1: yep :)
[05:24] <Daskreech1> I kept thinking I know this astromme from somewhere
[05:24] <astromme_laptop> haha
[05:24] <astromme_laptop> you're speaking to him!
[05:24] <sudo> Daskreech1 : i am sorry what did you say
[05:25] <Daskreech1> You do realise anytime anyone gives out a command in here well over 60% of the time the word sudo is in it right? Which means you get pinged
[05:26] <Serpardum[DM]> man I'm stupid.  I typed what you said without thinking.  I'm on AMD.  I better reinstall and hope it overrights.
[05:26] <sudo> oh good point man i guess i will have to change my nick thanks Daskreech1
[05:27] <astromme_laptop> Serpardum[DM]: on amd64 or on x86?
[05:28] <astromme_laptop> Serpardum[DM]: becuase if you installed the i386 the x86 command works
[05:28] <froguy> hey what the hell
[05:28] <froguy> i have the volume blasted
[05:28]  * astromme_laptop chuckles
[05:28] <froguy> and youtube is not even loud
[05:28] <Serpardum[DM]> I'm on an AMD64 with Vista 32
[05:28] <astromme_laptop> Serpardum[DM]: ok, so x86 is what you want
[05:28] <Serpardum[DM]> but I just tried the AMD64 and it said that yeah
[05:28] <Serpardum[DM]> why?
[05:28] <froguy> yea me is think of putting vista back on this
[05:29] <Serpardum[DM]> why do I want x86 on an amd?
[05:29] <froguy> this linux crap sucks.
[05:29] <Serpardum[DM]> even though its working I want to know why
[05:29] <Serpardum[DM]> froguy, not really
[05:29] <froguy> yeah really
[05:29] <froguy> firefox fails
[05:29] <Serpardum> you'll get a chance to learn something
[05:29] <froguy> when i closes it.  i still have to kill the pid
[05:29] <froguy> and then youtube get skippy after firefox has been running for a few hours
[05:29] <froguy> it never did that before
[05:30] <Serpardum> I gues syou haven't run vista lately
[05:30] <froguy> i thought software is supposed to get better with each successive version ?
[05:30] <Serpardum> all kinds of shit wrong with it
[05:30] <froguy> vista is fine.  i regret wiping it off.
[05:30] <Serpardum> froguy: the problem is, new software = new features = new bugs
[05:30] <froguy> ugh
[05:30] <froguy> linux crap.
[05:30] <Serpardum> And it takes 90% of the time to do the last 10% of the work
[05:30] <froguy> well is there a way to roll back to an older version of firefox ?
[05:31] <froguy> can apt do that ?
[05:31] <Serpardum> Meaning in 50 yars from now, there'll be bugs
[05:31] <froguy> how do i get the last working version of firefox.
[05:31] <astromme_laptop> Serpardum: It's working because x86 is the platform that both amd and intel have
[05:31] <froguy> how do i get the last working version of firefox.
[05:31] <Serpardum> because I'm running in vista?
[05:32] <astromme_laptop> Serpardum: and while the amd chips can support amd64 (i.e. x86_64) you're running vista 32 which is 32 bit (i.e. plain old x86)
[05:32] <Serpardum> froguy: you try downloading it?
[05:32] <Serpardum> then uninstall your current, install the other one
[05:32] <Daskreech1> froguy: Yes it can
[05:32] <astromme_laptop> Serpardum: you could also run a 32 bit linux distro, same deal
[05:32] <froguy> well what do i have to type to make it work.
[05:32]  * Serpardum blinks
[05:32] <Daskreech1> sudo apt-get install firefox=version
[05:32] <Serpardum> You're right, you do need windows
[05:32] <Serpardum> Better yet, go mac
[05:32] <astromme_laptop> somebody is unhappy
[05:32]  * astromme_laptop sighs
[05:33] <astromme_laptop> froguy: Youtube also works in Konqueror
[05:33] <astromme_laptop> Serpardum: did that make some kind of sense?
[05:34] <Serpardum> Okay, my kubutu doesn't have that install program thingie the 7.10 had.  even though apt-get is better, apt-get doesn't let me see the list.  So how do I get that install program?  what's it's name so I can apt-get it?
[05:34] <Serpardum> astrobear: yes
[05:34] <robin0800> astromme_laptop: to be realy unhappy karmic alpha1 with kde is out
[05:34] <froguy> no it doesent
[05:34] <froguy> i have to refresh it serveral times to load it
[05:35] <froguy> and konqueror sucks anyway. i hate konqueror
[05:35] <Daskreech1> Try opera?
[05:35] <robin0800> froguy: try gnome
[05:35] <froguy> opera is not in apt like how it is in debian and gentoo
[05:35] <Daskreech1> or that
[05:35] <Daskreech1> !opera
[05:35] <froguy> gnome sucks.  i prefer kde
[05:36] <astrobear> astromme_laptop: Serpardum is referring to you :)
[05:36] <froguy> there is not applications
[05:36] <froguy> Kmenu > applications ?
[05:36] <froguy> im on 9.4
[05:36] <astromme_laptop> Serpardum: type in kpackagekit
[05:36] <froguy> it aint there
[05:36] <Serpardum> I dn't have applications-> add/remove.  how do I get it?
[05:36] <Serpardum> got it, thankes
[05:37] <astromme_laptop> astrobear: rawr
[05:37] <astromme_laptop> froguy: Opera has ubuntu/kubuntu packages on its site
[05:37] <Serpardum> this is kinda funny: enumFromString ( Group ) : converted "unknown" to "Unknown" , enum value -1
[05:38] <astromme_laptop> froguy: iirc they have a license that restricts redistrobution
[05:38] <antman_> what is this?
[05:38]  * Serpardum tries to see what antman_ is holding
[05:39] <robin0800> Serpardum: dont touch it!
[05:41] <kalorin_> anyone else having issues with video drivers (gut feeling) on laptops in 9.04?
[05:41] <kalorin_> specifically the centrino chipset intel drivers/
[05:41] <astromme_laptop> kalorin_: yes, the situation in 9.04 is not pretty
[05:41] <kalorin_> lots of artifacts and flashing parts of the screen popping then lockups
[05:42] <kalorin_> yeah I'm in no hurry to upgrade at this point
[05:42] <Serpardum> what desktop am I using? (default)
[05:42] <kalorin_> maybe 9.10
[05:42] <kalorin_> we'll see
[05:42] <astromme_laptop> kalorin_: It was bad enough where I upgraded further to experimental 2.6.30 kernel packages and karmic 9.10 drivers
[05:42] <kalorin_> it just seems liek the video drivers aren't stable all the sudden, I'm surprised they changed honestly
[05:42] <Daskreech1> Serpardum: 9.04 ?
[05:42] <astromme_laptop> kalorin_: After I did that things work really well, better than in Intrepid, which bodes well for 9.10
[05:42] <Daskreech1> hi nightdrever
[05:43] <kalorin_> and it's a guess that it's video drivers, but it seems to locka dn hang a lot on video stuff
[05:43] <nightdrever>  /msg c0ntract0r  hello
[05:43] <kalorin_> I upgraded my laptop from 8.10 to 9.04 and it's just been really unstable
[05:43] <astromme_laptop> kalorin_: yeah, they got stuck in a really bad transition stage (kms, dri2, etc)
[05:43]  * kalorin_ nods
[05:43] <kalorin_> k well i'm glad I'm not alone in seeing that
[05:44] <Daskreech1> nightdrever: Might want to join #ubuntu :)
[05:44] <kalorin_> perhaps I'll try the higher kernel level and see where that gets me
[05:44] <astromme_laptop> kalorin_: if you are keeping your laptop on 9.04 and can't stand it, there is a thread that helps you install the experimental stuff which helped massively in my case
[05:44] <astromme_laptop> google for it, ubuntuforums
[05:44] <kalorin_> yeah that'd be good
[05:44] <kalorin_> k thanks a ton
[05:44] <astromme_laptop> np
[05:44] <kalorin_> that and knetworkmanager doesn't start on boot for some reason on that machine
[05:45] <kalorin_> runs fine if I pop a command prompt and fire it off
[05:45] <kalorin_> but just doesn't start on it's own
[05:45] <kalorin_> otherwise it appears to be good, from what I can tell between locks and whatnot
[05:45] <astromme_laptop> kalorin_: the plasmoid widget or the actual kde3 program?
[05:45] <kalorin_> if I don't start it in a command shell, it doesn't start, I get no netowrk
[05:46] <kalorin_> so i'm guessing the widget
[05:46] <astromme_laptop> the kde3 program isn't installed in a normal jaunty install, that's probably why. You could put a symlink in ~/.kde/Autostart
[05:46] <kalorin_> ah
[05:46] <kalorin_> I'll give that a shot
[05:46] <astromme_laptop> kalorin_: if you run it with knetworkmanager then no, it's the kde3 widget from 8.10 iirc
[05:46] <kalorin_> haven't spent too much time running with it
[05:46] <astromme_laptop> kalorin_: you could try adding the plasmoid (it's like adding any other desktop widget, search for network manager)
[05:47] <astromme_laptop> but the widget is kind of flaky
[05:47] <kalorin_> seldom used laptop just for upstairs when I'm watching tv
[05:47] <astromme_laptop> so if knetworkmanager works for you I would keep it
[05:47]  * kalorin_ nods
[05:47] <astromme_laptop> especially if you use a WPA2 enterprise network
[05:47] <kalorin_> heh
[05:47]  * astromme_laptop found that out the hard way and currently uses gnome nm-applet
[05:47] <kalorin_> that'd be my preference, but anyone that comes over with their lame windowz machines can't use it then seems like
[05:48] <kalorin_> oh noes, sekurity!!!
[05:48] <kalorin_> fun for a good wasted afternoon
[05:48] <kalorin_> ok not really
[05:48] <kalorin_> :)
[05:49] <Daskreech1> hi kalorin_
[05:49] <Daskreech1> or kalorin-
[05:49] <Daskreech1> one of the two
[05:49] <Daskreech1> (Note for some reason I refuse to say hello to both)
[05:49] <kalorin_> no worries
[05:49] <kalorin_> one is at work and the other is at home
[05:54] <nightdrever>  /msg c0ntract0r  hello
[05:54] <Daskreech1> nightdrever: You know that works a lot better if you dont precede it with a space
[05:55] <nightdrever> lol sorry
[05:55] <kalorin_>  /msg Daskreech1 are you sure :)
[05:55]  * kalorin_ chuckles
[05:55] <nightdrever> but im getting errors now
[05:55] <Daskreech1> when you don't use a space?
[05:56] <nightdrever> [05:54] [Error] c0ntract0r: No such nick/channel
[05:57] <Daskreech1> nightdrever: Cause he logged off
[05:57] <nightdrever> ok
[05:57] <Daskreech1> !seen c0ntract0r
[05:57] <Daskreech1> Liar
[05:57]  * astromme_laptop is off for now. bye all
[05:57] <Daskreech1> Bye!
[05:57] <kalorin_> night astromme
[05:58] <kalorin_> thanks again
[05:58] <kalorin_> time for me to hit it as well
[05:58]  * kalorin_ awves
[05:58]  * kalorin_ waves even
[06:19] <froguy> i had to reboot to make youtube loud again.
[06:19] <froguy> why
[06:19] <Daskreech1> Maybe your master was set low?
[06:19] <froguy> there is no master.  just PCI.
[06:19] <froguy> err no.  just master
[06:19] <froguy> but that was all the way up
[06:20] <froguy> and why didnt my /etc/network/interfaces work ?
[06:21] <froguy> http://rafb.net/p/FwrPuI48.html
[06:21] <astrobear> astromme_laptop: you're speaking my language :')
[06:21] <froguy> and yes it;s eth1
[06:21] <froguy> i had to dhclient.  i dont want to dhclient
[06:22] <froguy> i want eth1 to be assigned 192.168.1.243
[06:22] <Daskreech1> set it in networkmanager I would guess
[06:23] <froguy> ugh
[06:23] <froguy> screw linux
[06:23]  * froguy puts the xp cd back in
[06:23] <Daskreech1> did you try the NM plasmoid?
[06:24] <froguy> yeah that sucks too becuase it doesent provide for my wireless interface
[06:24] <froguy> my wifi interface worked on a fresh installation of intrepid.  then these software updates screwed it all up.
[06:26] <Daskreech1> Huh?
[06:27] <Daskreech1> That doesn't have much to do with that
[06:27] <Daskreech1> Do your wireless drivers work?
[06:28] <Sevenhill> Daskreech1: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/173425/ what can i do to overcome this ?
[06:28] <froguy> fuck linux.
[06:30] <Daskreech1> Sevenhill: try sudo apt-get install libplasma-dev
[06:30] <Daskreech1> No wait try remove it
[06:36] <Guest10187> i think i have done something very bad. my /home/ was on a sperate partition and now it's with the root partition. can someone please help me get it back?
[06:38] <Daskreech1> ben: What did you do?
[06:38] <Daskreech1> Guest76055: What did You do?
[06:38] <ben__> scianiac
[06:39] <Daskreech1> What?
[06:39] <ben__> sry
[06:39] <Sevenhill> :) i think it was his nickserv passwd
[06:39] <ben__> nickname thing is confusing
[06:40] <Daskreech1> :-) Ok Well we can sort that in out a little bit what's going on with your home ?
[06:40] <Daskreech1> You had a different parition ?
[06:40] <Daskreech1> or a different drive ?
[06:40] <ben__> i was having trouble with amarok and after completely uninstalling it i restarted my computer
[06:40] <ben__> diferent partition
[06:40] <ben__> same drive
[06:40] <Sevenhill> ben__: what says your /etc/fstab
[06:41] <Daskreech1> and you used to boot up and it would mount the paritition as ~
[06:41] <Daskreech1> And now it doesn't?
[06:43] <ben__> i closed dolphin after i saw it like that and now when i reopen it it's back to normal but i get 'Unable to save bookmarks in /home/ben/.kde/share/apps/kfileplaces/bookmarks.xml. Reported error was: Insufficient permissions in target directory.. This error message will only be shown once. The cause of the error needs to be fixed as quickly as possible, which is most likely a full hard drive."
[06:43] <ben__> the same message i got when rebooted
[06:44] <ben__> and my hard drive is not full
[06:44] <ben__> according to dolphin
[06:44] <Daskreech1> ok can you open a konsole and type df -h and Mount
[06:45] <Daskreech1> mount
[06:45] <Daskreech1> not a caps
[06:46] <Daskreech1> then pastebin the output
[06:46] <Daskreech1> !paste
[06:46] <ben__> Filesystem            Size  Used Avail Use% Mounted on
[06:46] <ben__> /dev/sda3              74G  5.7G   64G   9% /
[06:46] <ben__> tmpfs                 1.9G     0  1.9G   0% /lib/init/rw
[06:46] <ben__> varrun                1.9G  308K  1.9G   1% /var/run
[06:46] <ben__> varlock               1.9G     0  1.9G   0% /var/lock
[06:46] <ben__> udev                  1.9G  140K  1.9G   1% /dev
[06:46] <ben__> tmpfs                 1.9G   24K  1.9G   1% /dev/shm
[06:46] <ben__> lrm                   1.9G  2.4M  1.9G   1% /lib/modules/2.6.27-11-generic/volatile
[06:46] <ben__> /dev/sda2              92M   32M   55M  37% /boot
[06:46] <ben__> /dev/sda6              94G   87G  2.9G  97% /home
[06:46] <Daskreech1> ben: pastebin
[06:46] <Daskreech1> !paste | ben
[06:47] <ben__> ok i'll use that next time
[06:47] <ben__> i'm very new to irc
[06:47] <marcox25> hi, anyone know where it's kde 4.3 beta 1 for kubuntu?
[06:47] <Daskreech1> put both of them there then give us back the URL it gives you
[06:47] <Daskreech1> marcox25: It's currently having some issues being packaged when it's up the topic will change in minutes
[06:48] <marcox25> mmm
[06:48] <marcox25> it will be packages today?
[06:48] <marcox25> packaged?
[06:49] <Daskreech1> if at all possible I wouldn't count on it. you lived this long without KDE 4.3 another weekend won't kill you
[06:49] <ben__> http://paste.ubuntu.com:80/173433/
[06:50] <marcox25> xD, it will kill me, i have applied a-get update too many times :(
[06:51] <Daskreech1> marcox25: It won't be a normal apt-get update It has to get into Koala first then it will get into Jackalope
[06:51] <Daskreech1> as I said when it's up the topic will change
[06:51] <Daskreech1> ben: well you have 3 GB free
[06:51] <marcox25> mmm
[06:51] <marcox25> ok
[06:52] <marcox25> so i will try meanwhile OpenSuSE
[06:52] <Daskreech1> sure
[06:53] <Daskreech1> ben: What happened before the error?
[06:54] <xp-killer> how to copie protected dvd on kubuntu?
[06:54] <ben__> i used synaptic to completly uninstall amarok
[06:55] <Daskreech1> That shouldn't do anything to the permissions
[06:56] <ben__> i don't recall doing anything else out of the ordinary
[06:56] <Daskreech1> ben: can you run touch ~/testlogfile
[06:56] <ben__> wait i did start and use dolphin through sudo
[06:57] <marcox25> will ext4  be default FS in karmic?
[06:57] <Sevenhill> marcox25: there is a problem about ext4 in kubuntu
[06:57] <Serpardum[]> night all
[06:57] <Daskreech1> ben: ha ha that would be it
[06:57] <Daskreech1> ben: use kdesudo when running a GUI app
[06:58] <ben__> well see that would be another in the long line of dumb mistakes of mine
[06:58] <Sevenhill> sudo rm ~/.kde       <---- but this will delete all of your kde settings
[06:59] <ben__> like what settings
[06:59] <Daskreech1> ben: don't run that
[06:59] <Sevenhill> or just change all file ownerships to you
[06:59] <Daskreech1> that will delete all your KDE settings including all your mail and all your passwords in KDE wallet
[07:00] <Sevenhill> sudo chown Youruser:Youruser *  -R   <--- put your username to Youruser
[07:00] <Daskreech1> ben: try it with a normal dolphin
[07:01] <Sevenhill> Daskreech1:  won't it be fix by using chown ben__:ben__ ~/.kde/* -R
[07:01] <ben__> ok i'm a bit confuesd here
[07:02] <Daskreech1> ben: Ok Just open a dolphin session normally and lets see what it does
[07:02] <ben__> it gives me that error
[07:02] <ben__> but them i hit ok and it runs fine
[07:02] <Daskreech1> Unable to save bookmarks in /home/ben/.kde/share/apps/kfileplaces/bookmarks.xml. Reported error was: Insufficient permissions in target directory.. This error message will only be shown once. The cause of the error needs to be fixed as quickly as possible, which is most likely a full hard drive.
[07:02] <Daskreech1> That error?
[07:03] <ben__> yeah
[07:03] <Daskreech1> ok what does ls -l /home/ben/.kde/share/apps say?
[07:03] <Daskreech1> pastebin it
[07:03] <ben__> if i recall i've done something like this in that past and i had to redo all my settings, i'm worred what sit effects thier would be all file ownerships are min
[07:04] <paul_> Is there anyone here that can help direct me on how to install Ubuntizilla ?
[07:05] <Daskreech1> What is ubuntuzilla ?
[07:05] <ben__> http://paste.ubuntu.com:80/173437/
[07:05] <paul_> Is the Ubuntu build of mozilla firefox and thunderbird
[07:06] <ben__> i think it just installs them
[07:06] <Daskreech1> What's your username?
[07:06] <paul_> I'm using kubuntu on a x64 machine and having some real issues
[07:07] <Daskreech1> paul_: The Ubuntu builds of Firefox and thunderbird are simply called firefox and thunderbird
[07:07] <Daskreech1> Just install them as normal
[07:07] <ben__> my username?
[07:08] <Daskreech1> yes
[07:08] <ben__> ben
[07:08] <Daskreech1> on the computer
[07:08] <ben__> yeah
[07:08] <paul_> Don't you need a x64 version?
[07:08] <Daskreech1> ok then sudo chown ben:ben  -R ~/.kde
[07:09] <ben__> so that would make me have permissons to everything
[07:09] <Daskreech1> paul_: If you are on the 64bit ubuntu it will automatically install any opensource application as the 64bit version
[07:09] <Daskreech1> ben: In the ~/.kde directory
[07:09] <ben__> ok
[07:09] <Sevenhill> ben__:  ~/ means your home directory
[07:11] <ben__> ok this is just weird. now my home is back in the root. that is if i'm interpriting this correctly
[07:12] <Daskreech1> How are you figuring that?
[07:13] <ben__> in dolphin the home is empty but the home in root is no longer a shortcut just a folder
[07:14] <Daskreech1> so your home directory is empty?
[07:16] <ben__> well the home shortcut in the sidebar just puts me in /root
[07:17] <ben__> i think the partition is fine it's just dolphin is confused
[07:18] <ben__> if i right click and hit properties in the / folder dolphin crashes into signal 6
[07:20] <Sevenhill> ben__:  i suggest you logout and relogin for to see effects of what you did before ( i mean chown )
[07:26] <ben__> well i did that but i had to restart instead because it locked up
[07:27] <Daskreech1> ?
[07:27] <Daskreech1> Somethgn sounds funny :)
[07:27] <ben__> good news amarok works with out running it from bash bad news dolphin still displays some odd stuff
[07:28] <Daskreech1> What odd stuff?
[07:28] <Viking667> Hey there. I'm having a major issue trying to run the software updater - symptoms are - the software updater has its icon in the system tray, and says in a tooltip (for example) 22 packages updated.
[07:28] <ben__> like right click properties works fine in the home but it crashes dolphin in the / directory
[07:30] <Viking667> Problem is, when I bring up the window and try to click either "Apply" or "OK",or "Apply all available updates", I get a windoow popping up sayinc "Trying to start service", then it immediately brings up a second window in front saying "An internal error that we were not expecting has occurred ...." and in the details, it says: The backend took too much time to process the synchronous request - you need to fork.
[07:30] <Viking667> Now, what kind of an error message is that for John Doe User?
[07:30] <Viking667> I'm well versed with Linux in general, and even _I_ don't know what this message is referring to.
[07:31] <Viking667> It's only started occurring since I updated a machine up to 9.04.
[07:32] <ben__> wait i know why it didn't logout
[07:33] <ben__> it was my falt (again) amarok and firefox were the only thing that didn't close during the logout and i kinda started them with a sudo instead of a kdesudo
[07:35] <Sevenhill> if you started firefox with su you also have to type this  ->  sudo chown -R ben:ben ~/.mozilla
[07:36] <ben__> the number of things i can screw up never seases to amaze me
[07:37] <Viking667> lol. Never be amazed about the capacity to screw up.
[07:37] <Gamarok__> you are not alone on that one ben__
[07:38] <Viking667> so, anyone has a single clue about this "Software Update" problem?
[07:39] <Gamarok__> guys i cant get my bluetooth to run on kubuntu 8.10 can anybody help me with that
[07:41] <ben__> it never ends. i can now log out fine and firefox works (yes you just fixed a problem you didn't even know existed) but all my basket notepads are gone
[07:42] <ben__> and dolphin still crashes
[07:42] <dmbkiwi> Viking667: why don't you update from a terminal?  See if there are any errors from there?
[07:43] <Viking667> no errors. That's the stupid thing.
[07:43] <Viking667> for what it's worth, it's "KDE Control Module" that throws its bathtoys out.
[07:43] <Viking667> i.e I can manually apt-get upgrade fine.
[07:44] <dmbkiwi> Viking667: maybe stick with that for now then - don't think I've ever used the graphical tool.
[07:45] <Viking667> not a great deal of use to my "granny" user. She's only used to using the terminal to start her spreadsheet program. She uses the KDE desktop for pretty much everything else.
[07:46] <Daskreech1> ben: Why are you starting things with Sudo and kdesudo ?
[07:47] <ben__> i was starting firefox because it wouldn't start properly any other way (buttons and things didn't work)
[07:47] <ben__> i knew it was a permission problem but i didn't know how to fix it
[07:48] <Daskreech1> ben: try changing the permissions :)
[07:49] <ben__> hey wait /home/ben/.kde/apps is gone
[07:50] <ben__> which would explain the basket poblem
[07:50] <Mamarok> ben__: that would be .kde/share/apps/
[07:50] <Mamarok> there never was a .kde/apps/ folder
[07:50] <ben__> *feels dumb*
[07:52] <ben__> so /home/ben/.kde/share/apps/basket is empty
[07:54] <Daskreech1> ben: probably because you started it with sudo which makes it a root app
[07:54] <Daskreech1> so it's in /root/.kde/share/apps
[07:54] <ben__> i never started basket with sudo
[07:55] <Daskreech1> ok then I'm not sure then
[07:55] <ben__> i have it backup anyway
[07:55] <Viking667> hm. How do I find a jaunty key for security repo? (more to the point, how do I import the key too?)
[07:56] <Daskreech1> You should have the key already
[07:56] <Viking667> I _should_ have...
[07:57] <Viking667> I just tried to do a "apt-get update" and got this message (after a list of files that downloaded successfully): W: GPG error: http://security.ubuntu.com jaunty-security Release: The following signatures were invalid: BADSIG 40976EAF437D05B5 Ubuntu Archive Automatic Signing Key <ftpmaster@ubuntu.com>
[07:57] <Daskreech1> it will be on launchpad with the instructions on how to import it
[07:57] <Viking667> W: You may want to run aptsget update to fix these errors.
[07:58]  * Viking667 is blank. What's launchpad?
[07:58] <Daskreech1> !launchpad
[07:59] <Viking667> how's that related to kubuntu and updating to Jaunty from Intrepid?
[07:59] <Viking667> I mean, if it does, I'm fine with that, I just hadn't heard of it, ever.
[08:00] <Daskreech1> It's how Ubuntu keeps a track of packages
[08:01] <Viking667> used to be adept and apt that handled that, wasn't it? At least from the client side
[08:01] <Han> Hi, I want to try kde4.3 beta so I added "deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/kubuntu-ppa/experimental/ubuntu jaunty main" to my sources.list. I just can't find the key.  Does anyone know the whereabouts?
[08:03] <Daskreech1> Viking667: yes think of launchpad as the server side
[08:03] <Daskreech1>  hence where the keys are
[08:04] <Daskreech1> Han: 4.3 isn't packaged yet
[08:05] <Han> Version: 4:4.2.85-0ubuntu2~jaunty2~ppa1
[08:06] <Han> timestamp: 16 may
[08:08] <Viking667> hrm. Didn't see anything related to official Ubuntu keys for the security "source" there...
[08:09] <Han> got it :-) https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-experimental/+archive/ppa
[08:10] <Viking667> I saw that too, but I'm not AFTER Personal Packaged Archive.
[08:10] <Viking667> I'm after the _official_ key to the Official Security source from Ubuntu.
[08:11] <ben__> i'm going to try to fix any remaining problems later. but now thier is only problem that i've spent way way way to long on. flash player in firefox. i've tried every adept flash plugin and like 20 other methods of installing flash player. and they all end up in thier respective folders just fine but firefox never recognises them.
[08:18] <Gamarok__> guys i cant get my bluetooth working on kubuntu 8.10 i already have the necessary bluez packages installed but nothing happens when i click on the kdebluetooth4
[08:18] <AustLaw_> how do I set network connection settings?
[08:22] <AustLaw_> is the network manager broken or something?
[08:23] <AustLaw_> shit don't work -,-
[08:23] <jussi01> !language | AustLaw_
[08:25] <AustLaw_> ....
[08:26] <AustLaw_> * crap don't work
[09:18] <Guest7658> somebody has problems to install the 9 upgrade?
[09:18] <Guest7658> i did it yesterday and the pc didnt restart it again. so i had to setup the whole linux new
[09:19] <|eagles0513875|> Guest7658: i installed the upgrades yesterday no issues after a reboot cuz of kernel update
[09:19] <|eagles0513875|> Guest7658: you doing this through the package manager or command line
[09:19] <Guest7658> strange
[09:20] <Guest7658> no, did it thrue shell
[09:20] <Guest7658> yes. of course
[09:20] <|eagles0513875|> what command did you use
[09:20] <|eagles0513875|> and also did you have any beta packages or anything out of the ppa's
[09:21] <Guest7658> ok, tryingsudo apt-get upgrade
[09:21] <Guest7658> not sure
[09:22] <Guest7658> update setting wrong? maybe? its not upgrading now
[09:23] <Guest7658> i have a old cd with ubuntu 7, upgrade to 8 now but i can not upgrade to 9.
[09:26] <Daskreech1> !upgrade | Guest7658
[09:26] <Guest7658> thx
[09:32] <Guest7658> its not working..
[09:33] <Daskreech1> what's going wrong?
[09:34] <Guest7658> i have no idea
[09:34] <Guest7658> its not upgrading
[09:36] <Daskreech1> what is it doing?
[09:37] <Guest7658> i dont know. i think i dont know how to upgrade in the lynx
[09:38] <Daskreech1> lynx or linux ?
[09:38] <Daskreech1> Lynx is a web browser
[09:38] <Guest7658> http://www.kubuntu.org/news/9.04-release
[09:38] <Guest7658> just opened it
[09:39] <Daskreech1> Guest7658: You are on 8.10 and want to upgrade to 9.04 ?
[09:40] <Guest7658> yes
[09:40] <Guest7658> or another question, where can i see what i have=?
[09:40] <Guest7658> like, ubuntu 8.04
[09:40] <Guest7658> or what ever
[09:40] <Daskreech1> sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade && sudo apt-get do-release-upgrade
[09:41] <Daskreech1> to see what version you have type lsb_release -a
[09:41] <Guest7658> 8.04
[09:41] <Guest7658> and anotehr problem, if i start sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade && sudo apt-get do-release-upgrade then i get this:
[09:42] <Guest7658> ary-i386/Packages.gz nicht holen  404 Not Found [
[09:42] <Guest7658> just an example for all the other errors
[09:42] <Daskreech1> Hmm
[09:43] <Daskreech1> run sudo apt-get update again
[09:43] <Daskreech1> it's not getting the file from the servers
[09:44] <Guest7658> smae
[09:44] <Guest7658> same
[09:45] <Guest7658> which server i have to tae 4 upgrade & update
[09:45] <Daskreech1> can you do sudo apt-get upgrade ?
[09:46] <Guest7658> yes, but i get 404 page not found
[09:51] <Daskreech1> hmm
[09:51] <Daskreech1> where are you getting your repos from ?
[09:51] <Guest7658> software packet quellen... ?
[09:52] <Guest7658> Konnte http://de.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/gutsy/main/binary-i386/Packages.gz nicht holen  404 Not Found [IP: 141.76.2.130 80]
[09:52] <Guest7658> e.g.
[09:53] <Daskreech1> wait gutsy?
[09:54] <Daskreech1> Guest7658: just do sudo do-release-upgrade
[09:56] <Guest7658> Checking for a new ubuntu release
[09:56] <Guest7658> No new release found
[09:56] <Guest7658> wtf
[09:57] <Daskreech1> want to try the dangerous update? :)
[09:57] <Guest7658> that means?
[09:58] <Guest7658> after yesterday i will be more on the secure side
[09:59] <Daskreech1> ok fine :) want to do the safe upgrade? :)
[09:59] <Guest7658> yes
[10:00] <Daskreech1> Download the hardy alternate cd
[10:00] <Guest7658> oh.. well. then the danger way..
[10:01] <Daskreech1> No it's pretty safe
[10:01] <Daskreech1> oh ok I see
[10:02] <Daskreech1> open the file /etc/apt/sources.list and change where it says gutsy to hardy
[10:04] <Guest7658> dont see it
[10:05] <Daskreech1> the file?
[10:06] <Guest7658> do you have a link so i can put it in manuelly
[10:07] <Daskreech1> You can't find the file or the reference to gutsy ?
[10:07] <Guest7658> the reference
[10:08] <Daskreech1> can you pastebin the file?
[10:08] <Daskreech1> !paste
[10:09] <Guest7658> the same when i try update
[10:09] <Guest7658> same oicture
[10:10] <Daskreech1> you have the file /etc/apt/sources.list
[10:10] <Daskreech1> ?
[10:11] <Guest7658> bash: /etc/apt/sources.list: Permission denied
[10:11] <Guest7658> lol
[10:12] <Daskreech1> sudo apt-get install pastebinit
[10:12] <albert_> bjr peut ton m'aider svp pour inst carte atheros AR421
[10:13] <Guest7658> in
[10:13] <Daskreech1> !atheros
[10:13] <Guest7658> wireless=
[10:13] <Daskreech1> pastebinit /etc/apt/sources.list
[10:13] <albert_> is not fonction sur wiki ubuntu
[10:13] <Guest7658> http://pastebin.com/f21925cb2
[10:15] <Guest7658> what the hell is Sabayon user???
[10:16] <Guest7658> i didnt install another user
[10:19] <Daskreech1> http://pastebin.com/m7e80ed9e
[10:19] <Guest7658> that means==??
[10:19] <Daskreech1> save that as a /etc/apt/sources.list
[10:20] <Guest7658> ok, how
[10:21] <Gamarok__> man type sudo kate /etc/apt/sources.list and replace its content with the ones in daskreech1 's pastebin file and save it
[10:22] <Guest7658> how replace, hoqw to use ti
[10:22] <Daskreech1> Guest7658: can you copy it to an editor ?
[10:23] <Guest7658> the source list?
[10:23] <Daskreech1> The link I just gave you
[10:24] <Gamarok__> or you can simply replace the instances of gutsy with hardy
[10:24] <Daskreech1> yeah
[10:24] <Guest7658> mom
[10:25] <Guest7658> replace everything?
[10:25] <Guest7658> the old text?
[10:25] <Daskreech1> Guest7658: yes
[10:25] <Guest7658> k
[10:25] <Guest7658> mom
[10:25] <Daskreech1> Guest7658: Might want to make a copy of the old one
[10:26] <Guest7658> yeah.. but i have to copy it WITHOUT the number in front
[10:26] <Guest7658> right=?
[10:27] <Daskreech1> the number ?
[10:27] <Daskreech1> which number ?
[10:27] <Gamarok__> yeah man what number
[10:27] <Guest7658> e.g. he copy not only the text..
[10:27] <Guest7658>  12.
[10:27] <Guest7658>       # Line commented out by installer because it failed to verify:
[10:28] <Guest7658> there are no in front
[10:28] <Guest7658> i copy the text from the hp
[10:28] <Daskreech1> ooh I see
[10:28] <Guest7658> its in ever line
[10:28] <Guest7658> from 1 to 78
[10:29] <Daskreech1> Hmm doesn't copy the line numbers when Ido it
[10:30] <Guest7658> yes, i have it yesterday as well. copy and paste and it was without no
[10:32] <Daskreech1> Guest7658: ok sudo cp /etc/apt/sources.list /etc/apt/sources.list.orig && sudo sed -e ’s/\gutsy/hardyy/g’ -i /etc/apt/sources.list
[10:32] <Daskreech1> That should make a backup and change all the lines
[10:33] <Guest7658> yes!!
[10:33] <Guest7658> i delete the no and its working. update is working
[10:33] <Daskreech1> Guest7658: Great :-)
[10:33] <Gamarok__> thats was clever Daskreech1
[10:33] <Guest7658> nice!!
[10:34] <Guest7658> thanks a lot guys!!!
[10:34] <Gamarok__> i too learned something out of this whole ordeal thanks Daskreech1
[10:35] <Guest7658> yeah, thats so nice, you are learning every day something new on linux.
[10:35] <Daskreech1> Every day
[10:35] <Guest7658> but something else, how can i make a backup right? like restore point on win
[10:36] <Guest7658> so, if i losse the data or i can not boot anymore like yesterday, how can i make a restore point. can i do it= is it possible=?
[10:37] <Guest7658> loose
[10:37] <Daskreech1> !backup
[10:38] <Daskreech1> more orless you need to back up /etc
[10:38] <swatto> Hello all, please could someone tell me where I can locate the software sources dialog box in Jaunty
[10:38] <Guest7658> is there someone where you can say that this programm is good? or bad?
[10:41] <Gamarok__> bye guys take care Daskreech1
[10:41] <Guest7658> cau
[10:42] <swatto> Please can anyone help?
[10:49] <Daskreech1> swatto: It's in kpackagekit
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[10:59] <chris_> hi
[10:59] <chris_> does anybody run amarok 2.1 beta in jaunty?
[11:09] <Palee> hi, im looking for help to make extended desktop, somebody can help me?
[11:15] <Palee> hi, im looking for help to make extended desktop, somebody can help me? ( ATI driver write this: Error: Options, e.g. --dtop and --desktop-setup, are not supported when RandR 1.2 is enabled!, after the xRandR write this:xrandr: screen cannot be larger than 1680x1680 (desired size 3360x1050))
[11:19] <xerox1_> Palee, in former times you had to change the "virtual" entry in xorg.conf; now the content of xorg.conf has changed; don't know where to do it now
[11:37] <jazman> looking to to goto juanty from intrepid any probs with ext 4 format from ext 3 with out data loss
[11:38] <Unksi> jazman: you can mount ext3 as ext4 but it wont give you all the speed benefits unless you reformat it as ext4
[11:39] <jazman> thats fine then as im not reddy to reformat as i need a new usb drive as vista is playing games with my other drives on this pc so i dont wast my time with that crap
[11:40] <jazman> goo will upgrade then
[11:53] <kayess> Just wondering about the network manager plasmoid. How do you get it to connect to a network that is already in your network list without it wanting to add the configuration all over again?
[11:53] <kayess> This is on wifi
[11:53] <ahmed> everytime i start my kubuntu Pc i try to view shared folder from xp pc i got not accessible error and permission error to solve this i have to run "sudo /etc/init.d/samba restart
[11:54] <ahmed> " how i could solve this
[11:56] <AustLaw> whats the typical way of sharing files over a network wit kubuntu?
[11:57] <ahmed> everytime i start my kubuntu Pc i try to view shared folder from xp pc i got not accessible error and permission error to solve this i have to run "sudo /etc/init.d/samba restart
[11:57] <ahmed> " how i could solve this
[12:01] <ahmed> how i could know if samba share work at start up or no?
[12:20] <icqnumber_> how to install gnome on kubuntu
[12:20] <icqnumber_> !gnome
[12:38] <cumulus007> wtf is going on here:
[12:38] <cumulus007> okular: symbol lookup error: /usr/lib/libQtDBus.so.4: undefined symbol: _ZN14QObjectPrivate15checkWindowRoleEv
[12:39] <ikonia> cumulus007: we know what "wtf" means and don't need to see it, could yoi please moderate your language a little please.
[12:39] <cumulus007> sure, I'm sorry
[12:39] <ikonia> thanks
[12:40] <cumulus007> all my programs don't start anymore
[12:40] <ikonia> what did you change?
[12:40] <cumulus007> nothing
[12:41] <ikonia> you must have applied some updates ?
[12:41] <cumulus007> I recently installed software to manage the Belgium eID
[12:41] <ikonia> belgium eid ?
[12:42] <cumulus007> that worked via a install.sh script which installed some packages
[12:42] <cumulus007> eID is a way to access online governement services
[12:43] <ikonia> I'm guessing it's updated some core component like qt that has broke everything (looking at your error)
[12:43] <cumulus007> yep, it did I think... it overwrote my Qt libraries...
[12:46] <hans> d
[12:47] <sharkp> hi
[12:47] <sharkp> can I automount a removable device?
[12:48] <Gamarok__>  yea man i too had this question for sometime sharkp
[12:48] <sharkp> and the asnwer is...
[12:48] <sharkp> *answer
[12:48] <ikonia> it should automount when you plug it in with hal
[12:48] <sharkp> how?
[12:49] <ikonia> plug it in and hal should automount it
[12:49] <sharkp> yes, but how should I configure hal?
[12:49] <ikonia> it should be done already
[12:50] <sharkp> mmm...in my computer no
[12:50] <Gamarok__> well no what happens when you plug the device is the new device notifier shows up atleast on my kde
[12:51] <sharkp> Gamarok__: but I want that when I plug my device it will be mounted
[12:51] <sharkp> I don't know if I'm enough clear
[12:52] <Gamarok__> well i too don't know how that can be done i thought someone here might know when you asked this question
[12:53] <Gamarok__> sorry sharkp
[12:53] <ikonia> sharkp: what happens when you plug it in?
[12:53] <sharkp> Gamarok__: nevermind Gamarok__ :)
[12:54] <sharkp> ikonia: mmm...kde shows a pop up from the bar
[12:54] <hans> i have problem with my graphics after an upgrade to kubuntu 9.04. I use an ati mobility radeon 9700. Sometimes the system hangs up and sometimes i get black screens. .. help!
[12:54] <ikonia> sharkp: which is ?
[12:54] <sharkp> in which there is my hard disk, and then I can mount it by clicking on and by opening it with Dolphin
[12:54] <sharkp> that's it
[12:55] <sharkp> well, nevermind, Ill'go to lunch
[12:55] <sharkp> good lunch to everyone
[12:58] <hans> can anyone help me?
[13:07] <hans> is there a way to get an ati mobility radeon to work with kubuntu 9.04?????
[13:07] <hans> is it right, that the new 9.4 driver of ati doesnt support this card?
[13:08] <hans> and thr ati 9.3 one doesnt work with xorg-xserver 1.6?
[13:24] <oisi2004> algum BR que possa me ajudar com o novo KUBUNTU 9 ?
[13:26] <BluesKaj> !pt | oisi2004
[13:40] <ba2boy> hi all :)
[13:40] <Gamarok__>  hey man
[13:41] <Armageddon> My volume knob changes the PCM volume not the Master one, how do i change that ?
[13:44] <Armageddon> My volume knob changes the PCM volume not the Master one, how do i change that ?
[13:50] <spiniker> is there anyway i could install ubuntu desktop on kubuntu
[13:51] <Armageddon> yes
[13:52] <sharkp> hi
[13:52] <sharkp> Is there a tool like katapult?
[13:52] <Armageddon> you mean gnome ?
[13:52] <spiniker> im still waiting for my upgrade to finish,maybe ill do it afterwards
[13:53] <spiniker> yup gnome
[13:53] <sharkp> I've heard some time ago of a tool called krunner
[13:53] <phh> sharkp: it's the one you get while doing alt-f2
[13:53] <sharkp> is it available?
[13:54] <sharkp> I'm asking because if I press alt+f2 nothing appens
[13:54] <sharkp> *happens
[13:54] <Armageddon> sharkp: something should happen :/
[13:54] <sharkp> me too I supposed... XD
[13:55] <sharkp> but it's so, nothing happens
[13:55] <Armageddon> spiniker: sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[13:55] <Armageddon> i mean
[13:55] <Armageddon> spiniker: sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop
[13:55] <Armageddon> sorry !
[13:56] <Gamarok__> !gnome
[13:56] <Armageddon> My volume knob changes the PCM volume not the Master one, how do i change that ?  anyone any idea ?
[13:56] <sharkp> could you know why, Armageddon?
[13:56] <Armageddon> sharkp: know what ? :/
[13:56] <Armageddon> sharkp: im sorry no, im new here :(
[13:57] <sharkp> ehm...why nothing happens
[13:57] <sharkp> ok, now I''ll help you
[13:57] <sharkp> you have to change the principal channel, by right-clicking on kmix
[13:58] <Armageddon> omg your a genius :/
[13:58] <Armageddon> i just turned to KDE i was using gnome :/
[13:58] <Armageddon> sharkp: i might be able to help you
[13:58] <Armageddon> wait
[13:58] <sharkp> nevermind Armageddon, it's always so... some stupid things seems to ask NASa operation
[13:59] <Armageddon> can you open system settings ?
[13:59] <sharkp> Armageddon: hey, if you can't, don't worry ^^
[13:59] <sharkp> yes, yes
[13:59] <Armageddon> keyboard and mouse
[13:59] <sharkp> yes
[14:00] <Armageddon> damn i had an idea :/
[14:00] <Armageddon> i cant find the shortcut alt+F2
[14:00] <sharkp> I've discovered that krunner is present
[14:00] <sharkp> maybe I have to change some shortcuts by the program
[14:00] <laurent_> bonjour à tous
[14:01] <sharkp> laurent_: salam
[14:01] <Armageddon> salut
[14:01] <Armageddon> !Alt+F2
[14:01] <Armageddon> :/
[14:01] <spiniker> is there any way i could upgrade directly to 9.04 from 7.10?
[14:01] <laurent_> c'est sympat cette application
[14:02] <sharkp> please laurent_, speak in english to respect everyone
[14:02] <Armageddon> spiniker: no idea
[14:02] <Armageddon> laurent_: qu'elle application ?
[14:02] <sharkp> spiniker: no way
[14:02] <sharkp> spiniker: you have to do both passages
[14:02] <laurent_> Konversation
[14:03] <Matisse> hi
[14:03] <spiniker> i see..i guess im just gonna have to do 8.04 then 9.04..hehe
[14:03] <Armageddon> ah oui, faut essaye Pidgin
[14:03] <spiniker> i was kinda hoping to speed things up a lil bit
[14:04] <Matisse> how do I get my 3.1 sound working? With Windoze I would have to use the board sound chip an the sound card
[14:04] <laurent_> j'ai aussi pidgin mais c'est ma 1er en Chat je suis un solitaire
[14:04] <Armageddon> spiniker: i have to warn you, 9.04 didnt work perfectly for me !!!
[14:04] <Armageddon> spiniker: i tried interpid it worked pretty well when i installed the jaunty i had a little bit of problems
[14:04] <spiniker> really so its not yet stable?
[14:04] <Armageddon> laurent_: dac
[14:04] <Armageddon> spiniker: that's not what i said
[14:05] <spiniker> maybe ill upgrade to hardy but use the gnome settings instead..
[14:05] <Armageddon> spiniker: it is VERY stable as stable as the others but it didnt work quite well on my platform as interpid did, i need to tuneup my kernel
[14:05] <Armageddon> spiniker: i am using the gnome :P
[14:05] <Armageddon> trust me its not a gnome or kde problem
[14:05] <Armageddon> spiniker: desktop or laptop ?
[14:05] <spiniker> i see,im hoping that i wouldnt have some difficulty since im using an old laptop..
[14:06] <Armageddon> what kind of laptop ?
[14:06] <Armageddon> branch mark ?
[14:06] <Armageddon> and what kind of bios ?
[14:06] <spiniker> its an old hpzt1170
[14:06] <Armageddon> what kind of bios spiniker ?
[14:07] <spiniker> i upgraded yesterday to ubuntu 9.04,but after i shut it down my network settings were not working anymore
[14:07] <Armageddon> !run
[14:07] <Armageddon> !application
[14:08] <spiniker> plus my wireless card d-link airplus g is also not working,
[14:08] <spiniker> thats why i ended up reinstalling the entire os
[14:08] <Armageddon> oh :/
[14:09] <spiniker> lucky for me i had cd's form shipit of old copies that i kept..:)
[14:10] <Armageddon> cool
[14:10] <Armageddon> spiniker: one more try
[14:10] <Armageddon> go to system options
[14:10] <spiniker> ok
[14:10] <Armageddon> advanced
[14:10] <Armageddon> Desktop theme details
[14:10] <Armageddon> Run command dialog, what do you have there ?
[14:11] <spiniker> im already downloading the ubuntu-desktop
[14:12] <Armageddon> spiniker: im talking in KDE
[14:12] <spiniker> oh sorry what is it that you want me to do again?
[14:12] <Armageddon> system settings -> advanced
[14:13] <Armageddon> Desktop theme details
[14:13] <spiniker> dont have it desktop theme details..
[14:14] <Armageddon> oh
[14:15] <spiniker> system settings advanced, i only see a couple but no desktop theme details
[14:15] <Armageddon> i have it under there :/
[14:15] <Armageddon> called um
[14:15] <spiniker> i do see desktop but its in general tab
[14:16] <Armageddon> Run Command Dialog
[14:16] <spiniker> ok
[14:16] <spiniker> then?
[14:20] <spiniker> what now?
[14:20] <Armageddon> well i have it called oxygen
[14:20] <Armageddon> oxygen Runc Command Dialog
[14:20] <Armageddon> i think it has something to do with the theme !
[14:21] <spiniker> ic..
[14:21] <spiniker> maybe after i finished downloading all the packages for ubuntu desktop then ill look into it
[14:22] <Armageddon> yup
[14:22] <Armageddon> maybe
[14:24] <marcox25_> whre is kde 4.3 beta 1 for kubuntu? any news?
[14:26] <gorgonizer> does anyone know if Amarok 2.1 Beta 2 is available yet, or progress with it?  Will iPod connectivity be enabled?
[14:30] <Phibes> hiya, quick question, is there something like daemon tools for ubuntu?
[14:31] <zzAMzz> Does anybody know how to change the 30sec delay default value on the shutdown/logout dialog window?
[14:33] <BluesKaj> yeah, just click on shutdown , it'll shutdown immediately
[14:37] <robin> Phobes: linux has a native mount command which you can use for iso's
[14:37] <robin> Phibes*
[14:37] <zzAMzz> BluesKaj: Strangely when i set it in Systemsettings to no confirmation, it will always shutdown regardless what i select (Jaunty)
[14:38] <Phibes> robin, que and bin iso's too?
[14:38] <jussi01> !cue
[14:39] <jussi01> meh
[14:39] <jussi01> theres a converter iirc
[14:39] <Phibes>  #?
[14:39] <BluesKaj> zzAMzz, I don't use the delay feature , so sorry i can't help
[14:39] <jussi01> to convert cue/bins to .iso's
[14:39] <Phibes> k
[14:40] <zzAMzz> BluesKaj: np
[14:41] <phh> Phibes: google cue2iso or bin2iso will answer :)
[14:42] <robin> Also, does anyone has problems with MPlayer in 9.04, It won't play any media =(
[14:42] <Phibes> thx
[14:42] <phh> robin: any error message ?
[14:44] <robin> In the MPlayer GUI, it just does nothing, in SMplayer it says Mplayer crashed
[14:44] <phh> mplayer in console ...
[14:44] <robin> Let me check
[14:45] <AustLaw> how can I start smbd?
[14:46] <phh> /etc/init.d/samba start ?
[14:46] <phh> or /etc/init.d/smb start
[14:46] <phh> don't remember
[14:46] <AustLaw> k, thanks
[14:46] <robin> phh: It doesn't give a real error message but maybe this is something: "mplayer: could not connect to socket"
[14:46] <desafinado> hello folks, just wanna ask what's better PulseAudio or Intel ICH7 ? and when i use PulseAudio it says " Audio Device PulseAudio Does Not Work, Falling Back To Intel ICH7 " what i'm missing here ? thanks in advance
[14:47] <phh> robin: it's not, paste the whole thing
[14:48] <robin> phh:http://pastebin.com/m70f7ac80
[14:48] <phh> robin: and it doesn't play ?
[14:49] <robin> it just freezes at the first frame
[14:49] <phh> try with -ao null
[14:50] <robin> cool, it works
[14:50] <robin> thanks man, I've been annoyed by this for a while
[14:50] <phh> wait
[14:50] <phh> you won't have any sound.
[14:50] <robin> =O
[14:51] <phh> robin: then do killall -9 pulseaudio and use -ao alsa
[14:52] <robin> doesn't work, freezes again
[14:52] <phh> damn
[14:54] <BluesKaj> phh, is that  a mkv file ?
[14:54] <BluesKaj> or robin rather
[14:55] <phh> BlueEagle: according to its log yes
[14:55] <robin> that one was a mkv, yes but I also tried mp4,avi,mov
[14:57] <tzanger> good morning
[14:57] <tzanger> Does anyone know what replaced the "archive web page" option that used to be in Konqueror's tools menu?
[14:58] <robin> tzanger: there is a save page option, not sure if that's what you're looking for
[14:58] <phh> tzanger: archive web page, but you have to install konq-plugins
[14:59] <tzanger> phh: aha! a missing package is the source for my sad konq :-)
[14:59] <tzanger> robin: close, but archive web page would save all images etc into a ".war" file (web archive)
[14:59] <Matisse_> which sound daemon am I using? (kubuntu 9.049
[14:59] <phh> Matisse_: most likely is pulseaudio
[14:59] <BluesKaj> robin, do you have all the codecs installed like the ones in kubuntu-restricted-extras , w32codecs , even libdvdcss2 which is not a codec but a DRM stripper , ffmpeg , libxine1-ffmpeg
[14:59] <tzanger> phh: I had to ditch pulseaudio when I installed wicd it seemed.
[15:00] <tzanger> (I went from ubuntu to kubuntu, there was a lot of stuff that changed)
[15:00] <phh> tzanger: ?!? it's networkmanager not pulseaudio
[15:00] <BluesKaj> !phonon
[15:00] <tzanger> networkmanager stopped working outright, which is why I ended u with wicd
[15:00] <tzanger> phh: yes I realize that
[15:00] <tzanger> I know the two should be completely unrelated
[15:00] <robin> I have, I used to be play all media proberbly but since 9.04 only dragon player works, and I don't like dragon player
[15:01] <tzanger> phh this is awesome, I have my page archival tool back. thank you so much!
[15:02] <phh> robin: try either -ao sdl, -ao oss
[15:02] <tzanger> is there a similar trick to getting my context menus working for the tab buttons on konsole? :-)
[15:02] <phh> tzanger: the what ?
[15:03] <tzanger> phh: in KDE 3.5 you could right-click on the konsole tabs at the bottom and get a context menu (particularly the "clse tab" for killing off unresponsive ssh sessions) -- I can do it through the file menu, so it's not a big deal
[15:04] <phh> tzanger: well, just click any where else than tab, and you will get it :-)
[15:05] <tzanger> phh: well shit, I didn't try that... hahaha you're right, thanks again
[15:06] <tzanger> does KDE have a graphical front-end to the Gnome ssh/gpg passphrase popup?
[15:06] <ign0ramus> tzanger, ctrl+shift+w will also close the current tab
[15:07] <tzanger> when I was briefly using gnome, I would ssh over and since I have a DSA key that is accepted by the remote, a GUI popup asked me for my passphrase instead of the normal CLI "enter passphrase:" prompt
[15:07] <phh> tzanger: pinentry-qt ?
[15:07] <phh> but afaik it's only for gpg not ssh
[15:09] <tzanger> actually I found ksshaskpass
[15:11] <carpii> tzanger, why dont you use public/private key for ssh ?
[15:11] <carpii> means you dont have to enter a password at all
[15:12] <hydrogen> you still do
[15:12] <hydrogen> (which is what ksshaskpass is for)
[15:12] <hydrogen> unless you use a passwordless private key
[15:12] <hydrogen> but thats just stupid
[15:12] <carpii> yes, thats what i mean
[15:12] <carpii> uh, no it isnt
[15:12] <hydrogen> yea it is
[15:12] <carpii> i mean its not what i mean :)
[15:14] <tzanger> carpii: I do, that's what DSA keys are
[15:14] <tzanger> carpii: and yes, if you use empty passphrases you don't have to enter one. I do that for backups and stuff but not for my general logins
[15:15] <carpii> ok, i think i do use an empty passphrase, but my servers are firewalled to my ip
[15:20] <kurumin> hi
[15:38] <llele> hello. I have ubuntu here on machine and I try to run apt-get install but I get error. How do I do to upgradera to this 9.04??
[15:40] <phh> llele: if you give the error, it would be somehow easier to answer
[15:41] <llele> phh: ok. I try apt-get update and I get Fel http://se.archive.ubuntu.com gutsy/main Packages 404 Not Found
[15:41] <phh> sudo sed -ie "s/gutsy/jaunty/g" /etc/apt/source.list
[15:41] <Gamarok__> guys why is it that nothing happens when i click on the kdebluetooth4 tab
[15:42] <llele> phh: and it will work with no break?
[15:42] <Eismann> gutsy is not maintained any more
[15:42] <phh> Gamarok__: yeah only right click does anything
[15:42] <phh> llele: well upgrading from gutsy to jaunty won't be an easy task i guess ...
[15:42] <llele> that is too bad. Then I must stay with this one. thank
[15:43] <swatto> Anyone know any good books to learn about linux administration
[15:43] <Gamarok__> no when i click on it from the kmenu to laucnch it nothing happens is it just me or has anyone else encountered this
[15:45] <phh> Gamarok__: it just launch something in the systray
[15:45] <phh> and if it's already started it won't do anything else
[15:46] <Gamarok__> no thats what i am saying nothing shows in my system tray
[15:46] <Gamarok__> nothing happens
[15:46] <Gamarok__> thats the strange part phh
[15:46] <phh> oh and by the way
[15:46] <Gamarok__> and its a lil annyoing
[15:46] <phh> you must have a recognized bluetooth dongle
[15:47] <phh> to get more information on why it won't start, execute kbluetooth4 from a console
[15:47] <Gamarok__> well my bluetooth works fine in ubuntu and in previous versions of ubuntu
[15:48] <phh> weird then yes, but start it in console
[15:48] <phh> maybe the bluetooth service is stopped ?
[15:48] <Gamarok__> i restarted my bluetooth
[15:49] <Gamarok__> still nothing happens
[15:50] <Gamarok__> this the output from the terminal phh KBluetooth4 is already running! but the thing is there is no icon in my system tray
[15:50] <phh> killall kbluetooth4 and relaunch it from console
[15:51] <independente> eh minha primeira vez no irc,como que procuro por salas
[15:52] <Gamarok__> heres the output phh
[15:52] <Gamarok__> Solid::Control::ManagerBasePrivate::loadBackend: Backend loaded:  "BlueZ"
[15:52] <Gamarok__> kbluetooth4(7904) KBlueTray::offlineMode: offline Mode
[15:52] <Gamarok__> sony@sony-vaio:~$
[15:52] <phh> hum
[15:52] <phh> does hciconfig says the device is up ?
[15:52] <Dragnslcr> !br | independente
[15:53] <Gamarok__> yup it says its up and running
[15:53] <independente> #ubuntu-br
[15:53] <Gamarok__> you want to see its output
[15:54] <phh> Gamarok__: well i just don't know then
[15:55] <phh> Gamarok__: check /var/log/daemon.log for any bluetooth related error maybe
[15:56] <Gamarok__> btw heres the hci config output http://paste.ubuntu.com/173695/ till i check for the logs
[15:59] <Gamarok__> yes there are some errors regarding bluetooth phh should i pastebin my log
[16:00] <enzi> hi, i have aquestion, i want to backup files from a NTFS partition... but wenn i choose the partition, then the PC hangs a bit an there happens nothing
[16:02] <Gamarok__> phh you there
[16:06] <oko> hi
[16:06] <kaddi> !hi | oko
[16:07] <Adola> Hi!  Is there FGLRX for 9.04 yet?
[16:08] <Adola> I couldn't upgrade because of it's missing.
[16:08] <Adola> And I'm on dial-up
[16:09] <Unksi> Adola: yes, xorg-driver-fglrx in restricted
[16:09] <hume> hi..this feels like an odd question, but I just cannot figure it out: how do I play an audio cd with the new amarok?
[16:10] <ign0ramus> hume, i don't think that feature has been implemented into Amarok 2 yet
[16:10] <Adola> Unksi: So, Just to make sure, these are the video drivers for ATi cards right?  And about 2 weeks ago, they weren't there?  But now are?
[16:11] <Unksi> Adola: all i know about that is that packages.ubuntu.com states that there is a package with that name^
[16:11] <ign0ramus> hume, i would recommend using a different music player - Amarok 2 is quite ready yet :(
[16:11] <silentstri16> is there a program similar to windows wamp for linux?
[16:11] <Unksi> i have only nvidia and intel cards with my machines so cant test
[16:11] <enzi> hi, i have aquestion, i want to backup files from a NTFS partition... but wenn i choose the partition, then the PC hangs a bit an there happens nothing
[16:11] <Adola> Ah...Hrm.
[16:12] <ign0ramus> enzi, what are you using to access your NTFS partition?
[16:14] <hume> ign0ramus, thx... just for a while felt like it was me going crazy.....:)
[16:14] <enzi> i just use the konqueror
[16:14] <ign0ramus> hume, Amarok 2 should not have been included in 9.04, as it's nowhere near ready... there's a PPA to use v1.4 in the meantime if you'd like
[16:15] <ign0ramus> enzi, is the partition mounted?
[16:15] <enzi> i am totaly new at linux. i dont know how to mount
[16:15] <eagles0513875> anyone having any random stuttering with 64bit flash cuz its happening to me when playing flash based games in firefox
[16:16] <silentstri16> can anyone tell me of a program to host a web @ ip? i.e. windows has wamp and xampp
[16:16] <ign0ramus> enzi, if you right click the NTFS partition icon > Properties, does it say if it is mounted?
[16:16] <ign0ramus> silentstri16, lamp?
[16:17] <enzi> no, there is nothing notet
[16:18] <ign0ramus> enzi, i don't understand you... Is your partition mounted?
[16:18] <windowsguy> why doesent setting a static ip address work ?
[16:18] <enzi> i dont know, how do i mount it?
[16:18] <ign0ramus> enzi, you don't if it's already mounted.  is it mounted?
[16:19] <hume> ign0ramus, a PPA? how do I use the 1.4?
[16:19] <enzi> i can see it at the konqueror but i dont get acces
[16:19] <enzi> earlyer it was a Windows Root Partiotion
[16:19] <Gamarok__> guys can anyone tell me why nothing happens when i launch kbluetooth4 from kmenu
[16:19] <ign0ramus> hume, http://nomad.ca/blog/2009/apr/3/amarok-14-jaunty-ubuntu-904/
[16:20] <Gamarok__> i mean i dont get a systemtray icon or a window
[16:20] <ign0ramus> enzi, ok, you're not following directions... please right click the partition's icon and select properties.  it will tell you if it's already mounted
[16:21] <ign0ramus> enzi, also, what is the NTFS partition's name (ie, /dev/sda1)?
[16:21] <Gamarok__> guys can anyone tell me why nothing happens when i launch kbluetooth4 from kmenu
[16:22] <windowsguy> i set it in /etc/network/interfaces for eth1.  it doesent work when i boot. why.  http://rafb.net/p/BYl2sn81.html
[16:23] <eagles0513875> windowsguy: it does but your wired device is normally eth0
[16:23] <enzi> it is calles "Volume(NTFS)" and when i rightclick it, then there comes just the note, to Hide it, nothing else, i cant find/get propertys
[16:23] <windowsguy> eagles0513875: well it's not
[16:23] <windowsguy> ifconfig says eth1
[16:23] <windowsguy> and thats what dhclient assigns to
[16:23] <ign0ramus> enzi: please pastebin the output of command "mount"
[16:23] <windowsguy> again,  i set it in /etc/network/interfaces for eth1.  it doesent work when i boot. why.  http://rafb.net/p/BYl2sn81.html
[16:23] <eagles0513875> windowsguy: im assuming your running /etc/init.d/networking restart right
[16:23] <windowsguy> eagles0513875: that doesnet work either
[16:24] <windowsguy> damn thing sucks
[16:24] <eagles0513875> windowsguy: ifconfig eth1 down did that do anything
[16:24] <windowsguy> i have to put it down, before i restart it ?
[16:24] <eagles0513875> windowsguy: no just down then up
[16:24] <windowsguy> you mean the reastart script couldn't do that.
[16:24] <windowsguy> i'll be back
[16:24] <windowsguy> it'll probobly fail anyway.
[16:24] <eagles0513875> windowsguy: i had a similar issue ended up bypassing the entire widget
[16:25] <enzi> /dev/sda6 on / type ext3 (rw,relatime,errors=remount-ro)
[16:25] <enzi> tmpfs on /lib/init/rw type tmpfs (rw,nosuid,mode=0755)
[16:25] <enzi> proc on /proc type proc (rw,noexec,nosuid,nodev)
[16:25] <enzi> sysfs on /sys type sysfs (rw,noexec,nosuid,nodev)
[16:25] <enzi> varrun on /var/run type tmpfs (rw,nosuid,mode=0755)
[16:25] <enzi> varlock on /var/lock type tmpfs (rw,noexec,nosuid,nodev,mode=1777)
[16:25] <enzi> udev on /dev type tmpfs (rw,mode=0755)
[16:25] <enzi> tmpfs on /dev/shm type tmpfs (rw,nosuid,nodev)
[16:25] <eagles0513875> windowsguy: if  i remember correctly i had to reboot
[16:25] <enzi> devpts on /dev/pts type devpts (rw,noexec,nosuid,gid=5,mode=620)
[16:25] <enzi> fusectl on /sys/fs/fuse/connections type fusectl (rw)
[16:25] <enzi> lrm on /lib/modules/2.6.28-11-generic/volatile type tmpfs (rw,mode=755)
[16:25] <eagles0513875> !paste | enzi
[16:25] <enzi> securityfs on /sys/kernel/security type securityfs (rw)
[16:25] <enzi> binfmt_misc on /proc/sys/fs/binfmt_misc type binfmt_misc (rw,noexec,nosuid,nodev)
[16:25] <eagles0513875> SPAM
[16:25] <enzi> /dev/sda2 on /media/disk type fuseblk (rw,nosuid,nodev,allow_other,blksize=4096)
[16:25] <windowsguy> reboot ?
[16:25] <eagles0513875> enzi: dont do that
[16:25] <ign0ramus> !paste | http://nomad.ca/blog/2009/apr/3/amarok-14-jaunty-ubuntu-904/
[16:25] <windowsguy> ive been rebooting
[16:25] <windowsguy> i sense this is going to be typical linux crap that wont work
[16:25] <eagles0513875> windowsguy: clean install or upgrade
[16:25] <ign0ramus> enzi ^ please use pastebin
[16:25] <eagles0513875> windowsguy: are you also trying to use the network manager widget
[16:27] <windowsg1y> that failed
[16:27] <windowsg1y> i had to dhclient to get an ip address
[16:27] <windowsg1y> damn thing sucks
[16:27] <windowsg1y> i ran  ifconfig eth1 down; ifconfig eth1 up
[16:27] <windowsguy> failed
[16:27] <eagles0513875> windowsg1y: you trying to use both the network manager and the interfaces file?
[16:28] <windowsg1y> networkmanager is not running inthe tray
[16:28] <windowsg1y> if thats what you're asking
[16:28] <eagles0513875> ya
[16:28] <eagles0513875> strange
[16:28] <quassel208> I have installed a Windows program, mounted the iso, and now the program barks that it needs the cd
[16:28] <eagles0513875> me im bypassing the new network manager all together and useing the file i mentioned
[16:29] <eagles0513875> windowsg1y: can you pastebin whats in the interfaces file please
[16:29] <swatto> Anyone know a good tutorial or program I can use that enables me to have a mac-like dashboard?
[16:30] <windowsg1y> http://rafb.net/p/zlRpzl78.html
[16:31] <eagles0513875> does your machine have 2 network cards windowsg1y
[16:31] <ign0ramus> swatto, don't know why you'd want to, but did you see this? --> http://mihirknows.blogspot.com/2009/05/turn-ubuntu-jaunty-into-mac-osx.html
[16:32] <windowsg1y> eagles0513875: not just one
[16:32] <windowsg1y> on ethernet
[16:32] <BluesKaj> windowsg1y, right click on network manager/manage connections, set it up from the dialog
[16:32] <swatto> ahh yes thats what I want to do :)
[16:32] <windowsg1y> but kubuntu is too dumb to not see an eth0 and calls it eth1
[16:33] <eagles0513875> windowsg1y: crazy thought could you tell the file to try eth0
[16:33] <eagles0513875> BluesKaj: i tried with default jaunty one and it wouldnt even get me dhcp bypassed and using /etc/network/interfaces
[16:33] <windowsg1y> network mangager?!?!?!! THAT THING SUCKS !!!
[16:34] <BluesKaj> the widget one, windowsg1y ?
[16:34] <eagles0513875> windowsg1y: the plasma-widget-network-manager
[16:34] <windowsg1y> yea
[16:34] <windowsg1y> it sucks ass
[16:34] <Gunnar_Eismann> windowsg1y: what shows ifconfig -a?
[16:34] <windowsg1y> incompitant
[16:34] <eagles0513875> !ohmy
[16:35] <windowsg1y> ifconfig -a says ---> eth1 , lo, pan0 hat ever that is, and pan0:avahi
[16:35] <windowsg1y> and it's missing wlan0
[16:36] <swatto> You know the K menu taskbar at the bottom is it possible to move it at the top and fade it out a little bit?
[16:36] <Gunnar_Eismann> sometimes eth1 is the wireless intreface
[16:36] <windowsg1y> well it's not. it's my ethernet interface
[16:36] <windowsg1y> in this case
[16:37] <Sir_Brizz> does anyone know how to make network manager connect to my non broadcasting wifi router?
[16:37] <tzanger> I gave up on networkmanager and installed wicd
[16:37] <ign0ramus> swatto, not sure if you can move the default panel, but you can create a new one at the top and add whatever widgets you want... also transparency will depend on your style/theme
[16:38] <windowsg1y> network manager is not letting me type the ip address
[16:38] <windowsg1y> i clicked manual under the drop box
[16:38] <Sir_Brizz> heh
[16:38] <eagles0513875> windowsg1y: then hit add
[16:38] <windowsg1y> i did
[16:38] <Gunnar_Eismann> windowsg1y: did you try to connect manually with ifconfig?
[16:38] <windowsg1y> ok
[16:38] <Sir_Brizz> it's ironic because if I login to my gnome session the wireless will connct. If I then log out and back in to KDE it will also connect
[16:38] <windowsg1y> yea i can manually assing with ifconfig
[16:38] <Sir_Brizz> if my computer goes to sleep it breaks again
[16:38] <windowsg1y> but im not gonna type those lines everytime i reboot
[16:39] <phh> swatto: left click on it, "configure panel", click and drop screen border & height for what you want
[16:39] <Gunnar_Eismann> i know
[16:39] <ign0ramus> Sir_Brizz, have you tried using wicd instead of network manager?
[16:39] <swatto> last time i messed with that I screwed it up and had to delete some kde files to reset back to default
[16:39] <ign0ramus> swatto, was that in kde 4.0?
[16:40] <swatto> yep I think thats what is installed here
[16:40] <ign0ramus> swatto, o_O .... well i'd fix that issue first.  kde 4.0 is very... uh... not so great
[16:41] <phh> ign0ramus: you mean the worst thing we can ever imagine after amarok2 ? :)
[16:41] <Gunnar_Eismann> windowsg1y: btw, you will need an "auto eth1" in the interfaces file if you want it to work when you restart
[16:41] <ign0ramus> phh, lol. yeah :)
[16:41] <windowsg1y> ugg
[16:41] <ign0ramus> swatto, you want at least kde 4.2.2 before messing with any settings
[16:41] <swatto> how can I find out what kde i am running
[16:42] <ign0ramus> swatto, an easy way to check is to go to Help > About KDE in any kde app
[16:42] <windowsguy> Gunnar_Eismann: thanx that worked
[16:42] <Gunnar_Eismann> windowsg1y: If you use /etc/network/interfaces instead network-manager, you need to add that line
[16:42] <windowsguy> i dont know why no one coulda just told me that.  ive been asking every day for like 50 times.
[16:43] <swatto> hmm cant see it
[16:43] <nightdrever> could someone guide me in setting up thunderbird so i can check hotmail and yahoo emails?
[16:44] <phh> nightdrever: you just can't for hotmail
[16:44] <ign0ramus> swatto, can you open konqueror?
[16:44] <swatto> ahh im using KDE 4.2.2
[16:44] <nightdrever> phh i thought you could after downloading an addon?
[16:44] <ign0ramus> swatto, ok there you go :)
[16:45] <phh> nightdrever: oh well maybe then
[16:45] <nightdrever> i just dont know how todo it
[16:45] <phh> swatto: so just do what i said, it should just works unless you're way too bad :)
[16:45] <swatto> Trying to get this AWN thing installed, well ive installed AWN but trying to get the dock thing now, I have compiz up and running
[16:45] <ign0ramus> swatto, now, if you right click your desktop, and add new panel, you can add all your regular stuff back to that panel
[16:45] <pasQualle> hey guys, I hope someone can help me with my klauncher prob
[16:45] <ign0ramus> swatto, if you're satisfied with how everything is working, you can remove the bottom panel safely
[16:46] <phh> nightdrever: go on http://webmail.mozdev.org/installation.html and install the hotmail thing
[16:46] <swatto> I tried but cannot get the system tray thing to display correctly, it streches across the whole bar
[16:46] <phh> and the webmail thing too.
[16:48] <pasQualle> in nearly every program, i.e. k3b, where I need to open files or folders, I get a _cannot talk to klauncher_ message
[16:49] <ign0ramus> swatto, i've seen this happen before.. if you create a new panel, and add the system tray on the new one, is it still huge?
[16:49] <swatto> Ahh I have managed to but the original taskbar at the top now
[16:49] <ign0ramus> swatto, that's what you asked for, right?
[16:50] <swatto> yep
[16:50] <swatto> but yes create new panel still makes the widget strech across whole panel
[16:50] <ign0ramus> swatto, :/  looking for a fix
[16:52] <nate_> hi
[16:53] <nate_> i recently upgraded to 9.04 and when i do an update it says the backend took to long and i need to fork....
[16:53] <nate_> what is this fork
[16:53] <ign0ramus> swatto, one workaround is to create a separate panel just for system tray and you can resize that panel for your needs... still looking though
[16:54] <ign0ramus> swatto, what if you add the Task Manager widget to the panel... does it properly resize the system tray?
[16:54] <swatto> ill try
[16:55] <nate_> anybody know what 'need to fork' means
[16:55] <ign0ramus> swatto, try sliding it to different locations along the panel... it should resize the system tray widget
[16:56] <swatto> yep the task manager widget is resized properly when adding it
[16:56] <ign0ramus> swatto, does that solve your problem satisfactorily?
[16:56] <swatto> yep well its fine because I have moved the original bottom bar to the top now, thankyou for your help :)
[16:57] <swatto> now just trying to get Awn to work but it isnt displaying
[16:57] <ign0ramus> swatto, np
[16:57] <ign0ramus> swatto, that i know nothing about.
[16:58] <mofux> hi, is there the kde4.3 beta1 release available from somewhere for intrepid?
[16:58] <swatto> gonna restart, bye all :)
[17:00] <nate_> is there anybody out there?
[17:01] <nate_> are my updates taking, if i get an error message about needing to fork?
[17:01] <dimbass> тут по руске кто не буть пишет
[17:02] <Unksi> !ru | dimbass
[17:03] <Unksi> nate_: what is the exact error?
[17:03] <nate_> the backend took too long you need to fork!
[17:04] <Unksi> hmm, what happens if you try to run the update again?
[17:05] <ign0ramus> nate_, this is a known issue, that's allegedly being worked on: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/packagekit/+bug/272410
[17:05] <nate_> sweet so its ok
[17:08] <swatto> woo seems to work, I have the dock at the bottom however it only adds icons when I open the program
[17:08] <nate_> do you think it could be because my comp is 9 yrs old
[17:09] <swatto> ohh yes works :)
[17:10] <nate_> thanks
[17:10] <ign0ramus> nate_, no, it happens on all kinds of hardware.  if it's preventing you from installing hardware, you can always still use adept, synaptic, or (recommended) terminal
[17:10] <ign0ramus> *installing software
[17:16] <swatto> Anyone know how I stop Awn Dock from showing Icons for open applications
[17:17] <ign0ramus> swatto, if no one here can help, check the wiki: http://wiki.awn-project.org/index.php?title=Main_Page
[17:30] <lena> hello there.. i had a problem with with a printer.. it's the hp psc 1350, which is connected on a windows xp.. the printer is also shared..
[17:30] <lena> in the same network is a computer which running kubuntu jaunty
[17:31] <lena> i tried to configure cups the right way, so over the samba-protocoll (because it's a windows-share)
[17:32] <lena> the strange thing is, it's on the xp-machine in the spooler
[17:32] <lena> and the printer does something (you could hear it)
[17:32] <lena> but it never print  something out..
[17:33] <lena> and i also couldn't delete the job on the windows xp-machine, but i must wait until he is finished
[17:33] <lena> but he never does finishing.. so i must restart the spooler on windows xp to print something from windows.. this is not so fine, i just want to print from jaunty..
[17:33] <lena> could someone help me?
[17:39] <slow-motion> hi
[17:41] <Gunnar_Eismann> hi
[17:41] <user____> hello
[17:42] <user____> i hae a problem
[17:42] <user____> i have the riva tnt2 model 64 from nvidia, but i have all done whats stands in wiki
[17:42] <user____> but when i put in devices in the cnf file xserver dont start after restart.
[17:42] <user____> i mean rename nv with nvidia
[17:43] <user____> can u help me?
[17:44] <robert__> hello, ive got a few
[17:44] <robert__> damn, pressed enter insead of ", anyway...
[17:45] <robert__> ive got a few "places" or compartements with stuff on it, not everytime i want to load music from the music player or start a game, i have to go to that partition to mount it before i can start the application or data
[17:45] <robert__> is there a roundabout to this?
[17:46] <user____> can anyone help me with my problems
[17:52] <ign0ramus> robert__, you want to automatically mount a partition?
[17:52] <user____> can noone help me
[17:52] <ign0ramus> user___, if someone can help they will answer you.  if you don't find a suitable answer, you can always ask a little later when others are on
[18:02] <marcio> opa
[18:02] <marcio> alguem br ai?
[18:03] <Guest68555> minha pasta desktop foi deletada e agora tudo que eu coloco no home folder aparece na area de trabalho
[18:03] <NemesisUK> hi all
[18:03] <kuruminng> someone pt here?
[18:03] <kuruminng> portugues
[18:03] <NemesisUK> does anyone know what command i need to type to see how ubuntu names my soundcard?
[18:04] <kuruminng> view in system dude
[18:04] <NemesisUK> need to have it for config teamspeak
[18:04] <kuruminng> information center
[18:04] <NemesisUK> like sdp
[18:04] <kuruminng> what game are you playing?
[18:04] <NemesisUK> cant seem to get any voice from mic
[18:05] <kuruminng> test the microfone
[18:05] <NemesisUK> aha
[18:05] <NemesisUK> got a audigt2 zs pro
[18:05] <NemesisUK> useing line in/mic
[18:05] <NemesisUK> when i select that i cant hear my own voice
[18:07] <NemesisUK> useless
[18:12] <Feldegastr> every time i start kde, it starts 640x480 and when i open system settings > Display, the resolution imidiatly switches to 1280x1024 (which was previously set) without me changing anything, is there any way i can get kde to start with the 1280x1024 resolution without having to open the display settings?
[18:14] <nightdrever> does anyone know hoew to get yahoo working on thunderbird?
[18:14] <nightdrever> ive got hotmailk working but cant seem to get yahoo working
[18:16] <airbus> bonne nuit
[18:19] <swatto> Can Anyone recommend a good programming text editor
[18:19] <fabio_> hi swatto, kate is the best
[18:19] <Feldegastr> vi? ;-)
[18:19] <goshawk_> swatto: kate, code_blocks
[18:19] <goshawk_> code::blocks
[18:19] <swatto> ok cheers :)
[18:19] <goshawk_> swatto: maybe eclipse
[18:19] <Feldegastr> i like mc for the command line
[18:19] <fabio_> whick languace swatto?
[18:19] <swatto> python
[18:20] <goshawk_> swatto: eclipse + pydev has code-completition for it
[18:20] <fabio_> ok, go with kate, it has an embedded konsole
[18:20] <user____> so noone can help me?
[18:20] <fabio_> eclipse is the best but ssoooo huge
[18:20] <goshawk_> user___: it depends from your question
[18:21] <fabio_> warning: i am a real wannabee....someone is working on KDE4.3 packaging?
[18:21] <user____> i have the glx 71 driver, but when i use as driver nvidia, xserver not start up
[18:21] <fabio_> user....have you edited xorg.conf file'
[18:22] <user____> yes
[18:22] <user____> as driver as nvidia
[18:22] <fabio_> what's the error?
[18:22] <user____> but then xserver ot start, says no screen found
[18:23] <fabio_> has configuration run depmod?
[18:23] <user____> i dont know
[18:24] <user____> i have used the package from reposerity with software install of kubuntu
[18:24] <Feldegastr> i probably need to do a fresh install, i have been using upgraded kubuntu sinse 2006 but the video worked back then!
[18:24] <robert__> ign0ramus I think thats the solution, iinstamounting :P
[18:24] <fabio_> ok. if you use "driver nv" in xorg.conf gives you problems?
[18:24] <ign0ramus> robert__, is it an ntfs partition?
[18:24] <robert__> yes, all
[18:24] <robert__> 3 of em
[18:24] <robert__> ooh, one is not
[18:25] <robert__> its nt3 (or something?)
[18:25] <ign0ramus> robert__, what does the "df" command tell you?  (pastebin results)
[18:25] <robert__> ext3
[18:25] <refic> yeah, this has probably been asked a few thousand times but what's the status of kde 4.3 in karmic?
[18:25] <goshawk_> fabio_: KDE4.3 should be here via kde nightly builds
[18:26] <fabio_> thanks goshawk...does it mean neon project?
[18:26] <robert__> http://pastebin.com/d57a11c6d
[18:26] <goshawk_> fabio_: yes neon project
[18:26] <fabio_> sorry refic...i'm a wannbee
[18:26] <goshawk_> fabio_: but be aware
[18:26] <fabio_> yes...goshawk... i won't use it.
[18:27] <ign0ramus> robert__, ok which partition(s) do you want mounted?
[18:27] <fabio_> bec<ause i had more problems than pleasures
[18:27] <goshawk_> fabio_: kde stable relases are unstable for now, so trunk or alpha should be nightmares :)
[18:27] <robert__> ooh, 146!, games and another one, that doesnt show because it isnt mounted yet
[18:27] <goshawk_> fabio_: are you italian?
[18:27] <fabio_> yep
[18:27] <fabio_> sì
[18:27] <goshawk_> hahahahahha
[18:28] <robert__> http://pastebin.com/m3f91a4c0
[18:28] <ign0ramus> robert__, do you have "ntfs-3g" and "ntfs-config" installed?
[18:28] <robert__> i think thats all you need to know from the command df
[18:28] <fabio_> mi hai beccato!
[18:28] <goshawk_> perchè provi a tradurre l'italiano in inglese? :) "more problems than pleasures"
[18:28] <robert__> how do i check that? (i dunno)
[18:28] <goshawk_> robert__: check what?
[18:28] <fabio_> perchè mi piace!
[18:29] <ign0ramus> robert__, just try installing them, and either they will install or tell you that they're already installed
[18:29] <robert__> robert__, do you have "ntfs-3g" and "ntfs-config" installed?
[18:29] <fabio_> fom where goshawk
[18:29] <ign0ramus> robert__, they make mounting ntfs very easy
[18:29] <robert__> ive got them mounted, but I have to click on them every time in Places when i want data from them
[18:30] <robert__> like then they will be active
[18:30] <ign0ramus> robert__, i'm not sure i follow; what are you trying to accomplish?
[18:30] <robert__> well, wait for the picture :P
[18:31] <goshawk_> fabio_: from Milan :P
[18:31] <corigo> KPackageKit is failing to install Sun Java because: "sun-dlj-v1-1 license could not be presented" ... any solutions?
[18:31] <goshawk_> corigo install from apt-get
[18:31] <fabio_> Milàn!
[18:31] <goshawk_> or aptitude
[18:32] <robert__> damnit, prt scr doenst work :P
[18:32] <goshawk_> fabio_: but i'm here just for Politecnico, i'm from Sicily
[18:32] <fabio_> another question: does Packagekit support proxy?
[18:32] <ign0ramus> robert__, you can alt+f2 and then run ksnapshot to take a screen
[18:32] <goshawk_> well, packagekit is an API, it's not a program, kpackagekit is a program that uses packagekit API
[18:32] <ign0ramus> corigo, if you install java via terminal, it will bring up the licensing screen
[18:33] <fabio_> yes. do API support proxing?
[18:33] <swatto> I installed kubuntu via wubi (the windows installer) is there any way I can access my NTFS partition from ubuntu?
[18:34] <fabio_> don't tell me to "dig into APIs".
[18:34] <corigo> goshawk_: 9.04 there is no "aptitude" interface available other than KPackage
[18:34] <fabio_> because I will do it only if noone knows
[18:35] <goshawk_> corigo: apt-get install aptitude
[18:35] <goshawk_> corigo: sudo aptitude
[18:35] <goshawk_> corigo: it's kinda apt-get, but with a curses gui
[18:35] <goshawk_> fabio_: i don't think that the API take care of the proxy, it's a application matter
[18:36] <fabio_> goshawk. I don't think so.
[18:36] <goshawk_> fabio_: packagekit is an api to build a package manager that works with all the package management which support packagekit api (deb, rpm, and so on)
[18:36] <robert__> ing0ramus
[18:36] <robert__> http://img190.imageshack.us/img190/8015/snapshot1.png
[18:36] <corigo> goshawk_: exactly... response is: Invalid operation aptitude
[18:36] <ign0ramus> swatto, do they show up under /media ?
[18:37] <goshawk_> corigo: be sure that you write exactly "sudo apt-get install aptitude"
[18:37] <ign0ramus> robert__, ok, so you're not using kubuntu, then?
[18:37] <fabio_> mmm...so I have to dig into two codes.
[18:37] <robert__> uhm... i think not?
[18:37] <ign0ramus> robert__, no... but you're in the kubuntu channel
[18:37] <swatto> no it just has cdrom, cdrom0, floppy, floppy0
[18:38] <ign0ramus> robert__, either way, this is fixable
[18:38] <robert__> i downloaded kubuntu for irc
[18:38] <ign0ramus> swatto, what about /host ?
[18:38] <fabio_> bye all.
[18:38] <goshawk_> bye fabio_
[18:38] <goshawk_> :P
[18:38] <fabio_> bye goshawk. buoni studi!
[18:38] <ign0ramus> robert__, are these partitions mounted on startup?
[18:39] <robert__> yeah, i think they are, only thing i have to do is click them as in the picture
[18:39] <pc1> hola
[18:40] <gigasoft> how to copy copy-protected dvd, any help?!
[18:40] <ign0ramus> robert__, well, yes, you would have to click them to access them via gui... I'm still not understanding what your question is... :/
[18:40] <corigo> goshawk_: skipping the whole aptitude stuff... from the command line I do get to see the lovely license, but can't seem to approve it?!?
[18:40] <corigo> (for Java)
[18:40] <swatto> ah yes i can see them in host
[18:40] <goshawk_> corigo: probably you have to scroll it all down, and then click ok
[18:40] <ign0ramus> corigo, use the right arrow key
[18:40] <swatto> does that mean I can copy from there too
[18:41] <ign0ramus> swatto, should be able to... i never used wubi before
[18:41] <robert__> can they be auto accessed on start up so i dont have to do that so i can load programs from them without having to click to access them?
[18:41] <swatto> I dont understand, does linux mount on its own volume even though it was installed via windows installer
[18:42] <ign0ramus> swatto, because it uses a different filesystem that it must create to run
[18:42] <ign0ramus> robert__, what programs would you like to run on startup?
[18:43] <robert__> Steam via wine and i have all my music on one of those partitions, and the rhytmbox gets stuck if dont give it access
[18:44] <eagles0513875> im having a weird issue sometimes firefox just closes itself same with a game running in wine any ideas as to the cause
[18:44] <ign0ramus> robert__, ok for rhythmbox... you're saying it can't access the partition with the music on it until you click on it in Places ... right?
[18:44] <robert__> yes
[18:44] <ign0ramus> robert__, ok, did you install ntfs-3g and ntfs-config?
[18:45] <robert__> not yet ^^
[18:45] <swatto> How do I see what running processes I have open so that I can kill them
[18:45] <ign0ramus> robert__, ok get those 2, they make things much easier ;)
[18:45] <ign0ramus> swatto, "top"
[18:46] <robert__> i only found ntfs-config 0.5.5
[18:47] <robert__> and it only "Enable write support for external device"
[18:47] <corigo> sorry missed any responses... connection dropped
[18:47] <robert__> ill try google :P
[18:47] <ign0ramus> woops... accidentally killed Konversation :/
[18:47] <goshawk_> corigo: probably you have to scroll it all down, and then click ok
[18:47] <swatto> thanks :) think I can run steam from the NTFS volume using wine
[18:47] <corigo> I can see it, I can click it, nothing happens
[18:48] <goshawk_> corigo: it's keyboard based
[18:48] <ign0ramus> anyone else have an issue where ctrl+alt+esc kill icon doesn't disappear after killing a window?  I have to restart X...
[18:48] <corigo> ah so
[18:48] <goshawk_> corigo: use tab to move into ok and then push return (OK)
[18:48] <goshawk_> press
[18:48] <corigo> Yes, I think Keyboard based came just after I figured that out. thanks
[18:49] <robert__>  i only found ntfs-config 0.5.5
[18:49] <robert__> and it only "Enable write support for external device"
[18:49] <robert__>  ill try google :P
[18:49] <corigo> I've several people complaining about KPackageKit... I'm going to have to add my voice
[18:49] <ign0ramus> robert__, just type it in terminal "sudo apt-get install ntfs-3g ntfs-config"
[18:50] <ign0ramus> corigo, it is very buggy and crashy
[18:50] <robert__> ntfs-3g is already the newest version.
[18:50] <robert__> ntfs-config is already the newest version.
[18:50] <ign0ramus> robert__, ok good.
[18:50] <ign0ramus> robert__, now "gksu ntfs-config"
[18:50] <ign0ramus> robert__, I'm assuming you don't have kde installed
[18:51] <robert__> dunno, prolly not
[18:51] <ign0ramus> robert__, enable read/write for all partitions
[18:51] <robert__> 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
[18:51] <kurumin> ola
[18:51] <corigo> What I really want to know is if anyone can confirm having issues with plugging and unplugging speakers/headphones into their system. I've lost video and had to press the system restart button 4 times today due to plugging in my headphones
[18:51] <kurumin> alguem pode me dizer o q e isso?
[18:51] <ign0ramus> robert__, huh?  you should get a window pop up when you run "gksu ntfs-config" ... do you see it?
[18:52] <robert__> yeah
[18:52] <robert__> already had that window
[18:52] <ign0ramus> robert__, ok, so you enabled both, yes?
[18:52] <robert__> and it only says (button) "Enable write support for external device"
[18:52] <robert__> yeah
[18:52] <ign0ramus> robert__, ok, good.  now for ntfs-3g... give me a minute
[18:52] <kaddi> hi, my pc just froze (yet again -.-), the image is stuck, but the sound keeps playing... how can i get it unstuck?
[18:53] <robert__> done that now, so rhythmbox should be ok, and wine too right?
[18:54] <ign0ramus> robert__, maybe not yet... we havent set auto mount yet
[18:54] <robert__> ah :)
[18:54] <ign0ramus> robert__, what is the name of the partition with the music (ie, "/dev/sdb1")?
[18:55] <robert__> lemme df first
[18:55] <corigo> !es
[18:55] <nightdrever> are there any email programs for linux that you can read both yahoo and hotmail mails?
[18:55] <robert__>   /dev/sdb6             93241228  89071008   4170220  96% /media/Muziek
[18:56] <davidjheinrich> hi all
[18:56] <ign0ramus> robert__, OK.  please pastebin your fstab "gksu gedit /etc/fstab"
[18:56] <robert__> or wait :) thats the 146! one, anyway
[18:56] <kurumin> Ola
[18:56] <davidjheinrich> does anyone know how to restart the mysql daemon?
[18:56] <kurumin> alguem pode me dizer o q e isto?
[18:56] <nightdrever> are there any email programs for linux that you can read both yahoo and hotmail mails????
[18:56] <robert__> http://pastebin.com/m256b1459
[18:56] <nightdrever> noone know?
[18:57] <ign0ramus> davidjheinrich, "sudo /etc/init.d/mysql restart" ?
[18:57] <kaddi> !br
[18:57] <corigo> nightdrever: which have you tried? As long as Yahoo and Hotmail support POP3 any application can, if enabled in your account
[18:57] <davidjheinrich> ign04amus, when I dod that, it says "sudo: /etc/init.d/mysql: command not found"
[18:58] <nightdrever> well i tried to get thunderbird but i dint suceed
[18:58] <nightdrever> anyones that do it automatically?
[18:58] <corigo> Try Zimbra from Yahoo
[18:59] <eagles0513875> !zimbra
[18:59] <eagles0513875> !info zimbra
[18:59] <eagles0513875> O_O
[18:59] <ign0ramus> robert__, do this "sudo mkdir /mnt/ntfs"
[18:59] <corigo> nightdrever: zimbra.com
[19:00] <robert__> ign0ramus done
[19:00] <ign0ramus> robert__, ok, now we will make a backup of your fstab: "sudo cp /etc/fstab /etc/fstab.bak"
[19:01] <robert__> Done
[19:02] <ign0ramus> robert__, ok now clear your current fstab, and paste this one inside: http://pastebin.com/m79aedacb
[19:02] <robert__> okay
[19:02] <ign0ramus> robert__, the line I added "/dev/sdb6    /mnt/ntfs    ntfs-3g    defaults    0 0" should now auto-mount this partition automatically when you start up
[19:03] <ign0ramus> robert__, save and exit gedit.
[19:03] <ign0ramus> robert__, if you want to test, reboot, and see if this partition is mounted on startup
[19:03] <robert__> yeah, can I self do it for other partitions?
[19:04] <ign0ramus> robert__, yes, but I would check to make sure this works before adding all kinds of other stuff :)
[19:04] <robert__> haha, okay :D
[19:04] <ign0ramus> robert__, again, if you want to use your old fstab, just take off the ".bak" file and let it overwrite the one we just created
[19:05] <robert__> gonna restart now, see you in a minute and check it...
[19:05] <ign0ramus> robert__, k i'll be here
[19:05] <swatto> Is there any way I can make the Hardware Info widget longer so it doesn'thave a scrollbar?
[19:07] <Phibes> and im back
[19:07] <Phibes> im robert__
[19:08] <dsmith_> well linux recongnize 4gb memory?
[19:08] <ign0ramus> Phibes, now is that partiton automatically mounted and read for rhythmbox?
[19:08] <Phibes> hah, ill check
[19:08] <corigo> dsmith_: yes
[19:08] <dsmith_> corigo: thx
[19:09] <Phibes> it disapeared completely!
[19:09] <ign0ramus> Phibes, huh?
[19:09] <Phibes> well, its not in my places list anymore
[19:09] <ign0ramus> Phibes, do "sudo fdisk -l"
[19:09] <ign0ramus> Phibes, do you see it there?
[19:10] <swatto> Anyone know if there is a network info widget available?
[19:10] <Phibes> okay, it hasnt all but disapeared :p
[19:10] <ign0ramus> Phibes, phew! editing your fstab shouldn't delete partitions!
[19:10] <ign0ramus> Phibes, okay, but does it work how it should now?
[19:10] <Phibes>  /sdb6 is still there but it doesnt show in places
[19:11] <corigo> dsmith: and if you have 64bit system (and 64bit Linus) then much more as well
[19:11] <ign0ramus> Phibes, you should be able to add it back to the menu later if you want
[19:11] <Phibes> ill just try on another partition (ext3) first
[19:11] <ign0ramus> Phibes, your ext3 partition (if you only have one), is the linux partition you're using now
[19:11] <ign0ramus> Phibes, it has to be mounted! (unless you're running on a livecd)
[19:12] <Phibes> you sir, are incorrect, i have 2 (i think?)
[19:12] <ign0ramus> Phibes, that's why i said "if you only have one"... ;)
[19:13] <Phibes> aaah... I see, its now become a folder instead of a partition and is not in between 146! and the games partition
[19:13] <ign0ramus> Phibes, ext3/4 partitions will show as "linux" in the fdisk command
[19:13] <Phibes> okay...
[19:13] <Walzmyn> how can you move widgets on your taskbar?
[19:13] <ign0ramus> Phibes, but does it work how it should?  that's why we went through all this!
[19:13] <Phibes> /dev/sdb6             93241228  89071008   4170220  96% /mnt/ntfs
[19:13] <Phibes> /dev/sdb5             51472228  35588716  15883512  70% /media/Games
[19:13] <Phibes> /dev/sda1            153834852 100535584  45484852  69% /media/146!
[19:13] <Phibes> it does :D
[19:14] <Phibes> see at the end, mnt/ntfs means its mounted like i want to :D
[19:14] <ign0ramus> Phibes, so you are happy with the results?
[19:14] <Phibes> yes :D
[19:14] <Phibes> thx allot :D
[19:14] <Phibes> im gonna do the same to the others :)
[19:14] <ign0ramus> Phibes, np.... you had me sweating there for a minute!
[19:14] <ign0ramus> Phibes, do you know what you're doing?
[19:14] <Phibes> haha :) well... lucky for you its not iraq :D
[19:15] <Phibes> ill copy the line, change the number for sdb5
[19:15] <ign0ramus> Phibes, very true :)
[19:15] <ign0ramus> Phibes, okay, you got it
[19:15] <Phibes> and for sda1...
[19:15] <Phibes> i dunno, its ext3 so...
[19:15] <ign0ramus> Phibes, keep in mind, the setting i gave it "default 0 0" are not very secure - they are globally readable/writable
[19:16] <ign0ramus> Phibes, leave the ext3 alone... it's already mounted when you start up linux
[19:16] <corigo> Walzmyn: click on the cashew at the end then select the widget and drag and drop
[19:16] <Phibes> okay... so that means 146! is ntfs...
[19:16] <ign0ramus> Phibes, anything windows would be ntfs (as long as its win2k or newer)
[19:17] <Phibes> yeah, but its just a folder with music (146!)
[19:17] <Phibes> ill check it after the restart in a moment
[19:17] <ign0ramus> Phibes, well it is an entire partition (that is ntfs)
[19:19] <Phibes> i think ive got it now :)
[19:19] <Phibes> http://pastebin.com/m510ec53e
[19:19] <ign0ramus> Phibes, if you run "sudo fdisk -l" what is it's entry under "system"?
[19:20] <ign0ramus> Phibes, yeah, that should work :)
[19:20] <ign0ramus> Phibes, keep in mind what i said about permissions - that will make these partitions globally readable and writable...
[19:20] <Phibes> s
[19:20] <Phibes>    Device Boot      Start         End      Blocks   Id  System
[19:20] <Phibes> /dev/sda1               1       19457   156288321   83  Linux
[19:21] <Phibes>  /dev/sdb7               1        1913    15366078   83  Linux
[19:21] <Phibes> sdb7 is the linux where linux is running on
[19:21] <ign0ramus> Phibes, so are you ok with the settings you have now?
[19:22] <Phibes> i think so, ill restart now
[19:22] <ign0ramus> Phibes, k... see you in  a few
[19:22] <thehardman> hi.
[19:23] <thehardman> I am running kubuntu 9.04 on a machine with 2 video outs. when it boots up it sees both monitors but I can figure out how to extended my desktop over to the other monitor instead of mirroring one monitor on another.
[19:23] <thehardman> cant figure out that is.
[19:24] <thehardman> do I have to edit the xorg.conf or is there a way to do it in the gui?
[19:24] <ign0ramus> dwidmann, you there?
[19:25] <Phibes> im sorry ign0ramus... but it doesnt work
[19:25] <ign0ramus> Phibes, they are not automatically mounted?
[19:25] <Phibes> well, as said before, they are not in the places list anymore, and rhythmbox doesnt play the songs so no... i dont think so
[19:27] <ign0ramus> Phibes, you can change your mount point to /media where you have /mnt... that may put them back in Places (i don't use gnome...)
[19:27] <ign0ramus> Phibes, do you want to try that?
[19:27] <Phibes> yeah... ill try :()
[19:27] <Phibes> :)
[19:28] <Phibes> restart!
[19:31] <ign0ramus> Phibes, oh, did you "sudo mkdir /media/ntfs" first?
[19:31] <Phibes> im back! and we are in iraq! with "You are not privileged to mount the volume 'Muziek'"
[19:32] <ign0ramus> Phibes, my fault for forgetting!
[19:32] <kaddi> hi, my pc just froze (yet again -.-), the image is stuck, but the sound keeps playing... how can i get it unstuck?
[19:32] <Phibes> well, i changed it under /media/Muziek now
[19:34] <ign0ramus> Phibes, you have to create a directory before you can mount to it... do all your mountpoints exist?  If not, you must create them with "mkdir"
[19:34] <Phibes> i ahev created mountpoits now /media/Muziek (/146! and /Games too)
[19:34] <Dragnslcr> kaddi- if KDE is completely frozen, ctrl-alt-backspace will force X to restart (you'll lose anything you haven't saved)
[19:34] <ign0ramus> Phibes, ok, can i see your fstab now?
[19:35] <Phibes> okay
[19:35] <Phibes> http://pastebin.com/m7385f13e
[19:36] <ign0ramus> Phibes, ok, provided you created the mountpoints correctly as you said, this should be good
[19:36] <Phibes> okay, then its of to another restart :)
[19:37] <ezu5t> what is the kubuntu recommended program to use instead of "xnetcardconfig" ?
[19:38] <ezu5t> for setting the IP address  of an eth0
[19:38] <ezu5t> it seems xnetcardconfig doesn't work
[19:38] <ezu5t> my hostname is lost, and and I have to ifdown ifup eth0 each time I reboot
[19:39] <ign0ramus> Phibes, if you run the command "mount", it will list all currently mounted devices ... your partitions should now be listed in there.
[19:39] <Phibes> yeah, 146! is the only one missing
[19:40] <ign0ramus> Phibes, cool! i was gonna mention that particular one...
[19:40] <Phibes> http://pastebin.com/m54e1a959
[19:40] <ign0ramus> Phibes, i'm not sure if the system correctly parses the "!" in the device name... not sure, but that may be why
[19:40] <Phibes> so i should call it 146 :P  and be done with it
[19:41] <ign0ramus> Phibes, sounds good.  but yeah, your other partitions are successfully mounted at startup now
[19:41] <amorphous_> nice kde4.  thanks :) --- anyone know what the best way to remove gnome from my system is? it wont allow me to remove gnome-desktop-environment... is there another?
[19:41] <ign0ramus> Phibes, if you still have issues with rhythmbox, it's not because the partition isn't mounted ;)
[19:41] <Phibes> well, rhythmbox doesnt pick up 146! NOW
[19:41] <Phibes> oops, capslock
[19:41] <ign0ramus> Phibes, do your partitions show up in Places again?
[19:42] <Phibes> You are not privileged to mount the volume '146!'.
[19:42] <ign0ramus> Phibes, try getting rid of that "!" first, and see if that helps
[19:42] <Phibes> hm, okay
[19:43] <Phibes> ah!
[19:43] <Phibes> 146! is ext2
[19:43] <ign0ramus> haha!
[19:43] <ign0ramus> Phibes, yeah, ntfs-3g isn't going to help you mount an ext FS partition! :)
[19:43]  * Phibes is ashamed
[19:44] <ign0ramus> Phibes, it's cool... i made quite a few mistakes along the way, too
[19:44] <Phibes> well... can ext2 be mounted like the ntfs?
[19:44] <Phibes> with a quick line in fstab?
[19:45] <ign0ramus> Phibes, i'm checking that now... (i've never actually had to do that with only one ext partition...)
[19:47] <ign0ramus> Phibes, "/dev/hda5 /media ext3 defaults 0 0" seems to be the proper syntax (of course, modify it for your setup)
[19:47] <corigo> how do I tell if I'm on 4.2.2. or 4.3?
[19:47] <ign0ramus> corigo, go to Help > About KDE in any kde app
[19:48] <ign0ramus> corigo, i think you would have to have added some separate repos to be running 4.3 (is that even out yet?)
[19:48] <corigo> beta 1
[19:48] <Phibes> okay :)
[19:48] <ign0ramus> corigo, ok, cool.. didn't know that.  I'm using 4.2.3, and it is pretty solid (compared to earlier iterations)
[19:49] <Phibes> so instead of ntfs-3g its ext3?
[19:49] <ign0ramus> Phibes, here's a good one for reference: http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/mountlinux
[19:49] <Phibes> not ext2?
[19:49] <ign0ramus> Phibes, wait, are you sure it's ext2?  that's fairly old...
[19:49] <Phibes> i am really really sure :D
[19:49] <ign0ramus> Phibes, you can tell for sure if you run 'gparted'
[19:49] <Phibes> i ran gparted
[19:49] <ign0ramus> Phibes, ok, then yes, use 'ext2'
[19:50] <ign0ramus> Phibes, i was just giving syntax - you make it work for your setup ;)
[19:50] <Phibes> jep :)
[19:50] <Phibes> done!
[19:50] <Phibes> restarting in...
[19:51] <nightdrever> how do i get zimbra to start up automatically?
[19:52] <ign0ramus> nightdrever, if it's an executable file, just put a link to it in ~/.kde/Autostart and it will run on startup
[19:53] <Phibes> ign0ramus thx allot! it all works now perfectly :)
[19:53] <ign0ramus> Phibes, sweet!
[19:53] <Phibes> rhythmbox started playing right away :)
[19:54] <Phibes> and the partitions show on my desktop aswell
[19:54] <ign0ramus> Phibes, so now everything is as you wanted it?
[19:54] <Phibes> yeah!
[19:54]  * ign0ramus goes to take a nap now :)
[19:54] <Phibes> hah, look out for the taliban!
[19:55] <ign0ramus> Phibes, we're out of there now!
[19:55] <Phibes> ooh, good :)
[19:55] <Phibes> well, im gonna do the dishes :) bye!
[19:55] <ign0ramus> Phibes, cheers!
[19:56] <desu> I recently upgraded to KDE 4.2.3 in Jaunty, and all the plasma icons have been replaced by the "?" icon. Also, plasma seems to get weirded up after a while... ie. loses all icons and text... Any idea why this may be happening?
[19:56] <desu> all icons and text includes the taskbar and system tray text
[19:56] <ign0ramus> desu, could it be your icons?  try changing them and see if it makes a difference
[19:57] <desu> I haven't set any custom icons... Even the icon theme is the default one...
[20:04] <desu> i'm talking about http://img507.imageshack.us/img507/6746/plasma2.png versus http://img42.imageshack.us/img42/9662/plasma1.png
[20:06] <OmnipotentEntity> hello, I'm having a peck of difficulty connecting an Atheros card to a secured wireless network using both the ath_pci driver and the free ath5k driver, any suggestions?  Using 9.04
[20:08] <OmnipotentEntity> forgot to mention, 64-bit OS
[20:09] <nikolas_> hi guys, after installing windows i had to reinstall grub.did it according to the instructions in ubuntu forum (through live cd) but now i cannot enter windows can anybody help?
[20:10] <blackflag> !sceen
[20:10] <blackflag> !screen
[20:14] <ign0ramus> nikolas_, is windows listed in your grub menu?
[20:14] <nikolas_> yes, but doesnlt work
[20:14] <ign0ramus> nikolas_, what doesn't work?  it just goes to a black screen or what?
[20:15] <nikolas_> i have tried several things in menu.lst, now gives me error 13
[20:15] <ign0ramus> nikolas_, so you select windows, press enter, and it gives you grub error 13?  is that correct?
[20:15] <nikolas_> yes
[20:16] <ign0ramus> nikolas_, ok... lemme look around
[20:18] <edge> I want a specific version of Rails installed on my system, how do i first determine what version of a package is installed, and if it is wrong how do I go about selecting a exact version package?
[20:18] <ign0ramus> nikolas_, can you pastebin your /boot/grub/menu.lst ?
[20:19] <nikolas_> ign0ramus: gimme a sec
[20:21] <nikolas_> ign0ramus: pastebin.com/m108dade4
[20:21] <luciano> xxxxxxxxx
[20:22] <ign0ramus> nikolas_, are you using the computer with the problem right now?
[20:22] <nikolas_> i m writing from a different computer
[20:22] <ign0ramus> nikolas_, ok good
[20:22] <luciano> sim
[20:22] <ign0ramus> nikolas_, go back into the grub menu, and highlight the windows entry
[20:22] <ign0ramus> nikolas_, then press "e"
[20:23] <nikolas_> u mean reboot?
[20:23] <luciano> e
[20:23] <ign0ramus> nikolas_, yes
[20:23] <nikolas_> ign0ramus: ok,1sec!
[20:24] <nikolas_> ok did it!
[20:24] <ign0ramus> nikolas_, ok, do you see where it says "(hd0,0)"?
[20:24] <nikolas_> yes
[20:24] <ign0ramus> nikolas_, change that to say "(hd0,1)"
[20:24] <ign0ramus> nikolas_, and then press "b"
[20:25] <nikolas_> ok!it says "starting up...."
[20:25] <nikolas_> but takes long....
[20:26] <ign0ramus> nikolas_, so that works?
[20:26] <nikolas_> seams to be stuck there!
[20:26] <ign0ramus> nikolas_, hmm... give it a little bit.. shouldn't be taking too long
[20:26] <nikolas_> it still says starting uo......
[20:27] <nikolas_> it's stuck there
[20:27] <ign0ramus> nikolas_, ok, restart, and try it again.  it shouldn't get stuck there.
[20:27] <kaddi> hi, my pc froze (yet again -.-), the image is stuck, but the sound keeps playing...any idea what could be causing this? I think it might be heat problem...
[20:28] <nikolas_> getting error 13 again
[20:28] <mark___> kaddi...seems like a memory problem to me
[20:29] <nikolas_> but wait!i pressed 'e' again to edit the selection and it is still on hd0,0 and not hd0,1
[20:29] <nikolas_> :S
[20:29] <ign0ramus> nikolas_, yes, the "e" edit you made won't stick until you change your grub.conf
[20:29] <kaddi> mark___ defectif Memory or not enough (I have 4 Gb)
[20:29] <ign0ramus> nikolas_, but we're not there yet
[20:30] <nikolas_> so i edit it again and put "(hd0,1)" again right?
[20:30] <ign0ramus> nikolas_, yup
[20:30] <mark___> kaddi.... could be a problem with your graphics card then
[20:30] <nikolas_> nothing happens, still stuck there
[20:31] <ign0ramus> nikolas_, i just noticed what you titled windows - hilarious!
[20:31] <nikolas_> :)
[20:31] <ign0ramus> nikolas_, ok you wanna give the livecd grub fix another shot?
[20:31] <kaddi> mark___ the same pc runs fine with vista, so I think it's probably either a compability or a software problem
[20:31] <nikolas_> ...but i was right!after installing it it doesnt work
[20:31] <nikolas_> :D
[20:31] <nikolas_> i have reinstalled grub countless times!
[20:32] <ign0ramus> nikolas_, this shouldn't be right, but what if you changed it to (hd0,2) ?
[20:32] <nikolas_> let me try
[20:33] <nikolas_> it is booting now...
[20:33] <ign0ramus> nikolas_, windows is starting?
[20:33] <nikolas_> wtf?? yes it starts!
[20:33] <ign0ramus> nikolas_, excellent!
[20:33] <mark___> kaddi.... what distro are you using and what were you doing just before the freeze?
[20:33] <ign0ramus> nikolas_, now we have to change your grub entry
[20:33] <nikolas_> so i must replace hd(0,0) with hd(0,2) in the menu.lst right?
[20:33] <ign0ramus> nikolas_, when you can, boot back into kubuntu
[20:34] <ign0ramus> nikolas_, yup, that's it!
[20:34] <nikolas_> but why that happened?!?!?
[20:34] <ign0ramus> nikolas_, also, you may want to get rid of one junk line in there too... "title root"... that's not a valid entry
[20:34] <kaddi> mark___ its jaunty with kde 4.2.3 ... It's been freezing a couple of days since yesterday afternoon... the only "special" thing I recall doing before was actually a reboot
[20:34] <ign0ramus> nikolas_, could be your fstab is incorrect (has happened to me before)
[20:35] <kaddi> mark___ programs that would be running where a combinatino of konversation, kopete, firefox, thunderbird, vlc and/or amarok
[20:35] <nikolas_> shouldn't i correct fstab instead??
[20:35] <ign0ramus> nikolas_, well, when you can, pastebin it and i'll take a look
[20:35] <nikolas_> ok, i m booting on my desktop, gimme a sec!
[20:36] <kaddi> mark___ the update on kde 4.2.3 is about 2 weeks old, the upgrade on jaunty 3-4 weeks. so that is nothing recent
[20:37] <ign0ramus> nikolas_, actually leave the "root" entry in your grub file.
[20:37] <mark___> kaddi...so you are running Amarok2 i assume?
[20:38] <kaddi> mark___ yes, no choice there...
[20:38] <Assurbanipal> ign0ramus: where is fstab to pastebin it?? it is nikolas_again
[20:38] <ign0ramus> Assurbanipal, /etc/fstab
[20:38] <mark___> i have also ran into some problems with Amarok 2 freezing up
[20:39] <mark___> hmm. ok
[20:39] <Assurbanipal> ign0ramus:  http://pastebin.com/m745ce635
[20:40] <kaddi> i'm running a memtest right now, just to be safe... looks good so far
[20:40] <ign0ramus> Assurbanipal, ok, it is not listed in fstab, which isn't bad, but then that's not the culprit
[20:40] <kaddi> but freezing also occurred while amarok wasn't running. IIRC
[20:40] <ign0ramus> Assurbanipal, do "sudo grub"
[20:40] <ign0ramus> Assurbanipal, then "find /boot/grub/stage1
[20:41] <ign0ramus> Assurbanipal, what does it say?
[20:42] <Assurbanipal> grub> find /boot/grub/stage1
[20:42] <Assurbanipal>  (hd0,1)
[20:42] <Assurbanipal>  (hd1,0)
[20:42] <Assurbanipal> grub>
[20:42] <ign0ramus> Assurbanipal, hmm... not sure why it gives you that.
[20:43] <ign0ramus> Assurbanipal, just type 'quit' to get out of there, and fix your grub file
[20:43] <Eismann> 2 linux installations?
[20:43] <Assurbanipal> it must be finding an old installation on my other drive
[20:43] <Assurbanipal> but i donnot boot from that hardrive
[20:43] <ign0ramus> Assurbanipal, right, but it's weird that (hd0,2) is what actually works
[20:44] <Assurbanipal> so what should i do to permenently fix that:?
[20:44] <Assurbanipal> shouldn't i fix fstub first?
[20:44] <desu> I upgraded to KDE 4.2.3 in Jaunty. Is there any way I can roll back to the default version of KDE in Jaunty?
[20:44] <ign0ramus> Assurbanipal, give me a minute
[20:45] <kaddi> marc___ I'll give it a shot without amarok.. if it really works that would be a great thing. :)
[20:46] <mark___> kaddi...does the same freezing occur when you run the same applications when running the gnome desktop?
[20:47] <ign0ramus> Assurbanipal, i'm not entirely sure how that happened
[20:47] <kaddi_> debugging would be so much easier if I actually had 1 machine that was working AND had a reliable internetconnection -.-
[20:47] <ign0ramus> Assurbanipal, i can tell you fixing your grub file will allow you to boot without problems, though
[20:48] <Assurbanipal> and what about fstab?
[20:48] <kaddi_> I haven't installed the gnome desktop, marc___, but I'll have a look :) the package is called ubuntu-desktop, isn't it?
[20:48] <ign0ramus> Assurbanipal, your windows partition isn't listed in your fstab
[20:48] <mark___> yes it is
[20:48] <Assurbanipal> shouldn't it be added?
[20:48] <ign0ramus> Assurbanipal, you can add it if you want it to be automatically mounted at startup
[20:49] <Assurbanipal> i don;t know, i just want it to be right!!to be working without causing any problems in the future!
[20:49] <mark___> kaddi...you should have a choice of which seesion you want to use at the login screen is gnome not there?
[20:50] <ign0ramus> Assurbanipal, i had a similar issue that gave me incorrect info when reinstalling grub, but after I edited the grub
[20:50] <ign0ramus> Assurbanipal, ... i didn't have any other problems.  although i never did find out why it spit out the wrong (hdx,x)
[20:50] <kaddi_> mark___ i haven't installed the gnome-desktop manager, just downloading it now. I don't think both are installed by default, or are they?
[20:50] <Assurbanipal> so what should i do?
[20:51] <ign0ramus> Assurbanipal, "kdesudo kate /boot/grub/menu.lst"
[20:52] <ign0ramus> Assurbanipal, change line 110 to " root (hd0,2) "
[20:52] <mark___> kaddi...i suggest you try and see if the freezing occurs in gnome once you get it up and running and go from there
[20:52] <ign0ramus> Assurbanipal, then save and exit.  restart and try to start windows.  i am confident that this will work fine
[20:53] <Assurbanipal> ok, i did it it should work now.hope won;t have aby problems in the future...tnx mate!
[20:53] <ign0ramus> Assurbanipal, i still cannot say for sure why the "find stage1" command gives something different, but with this, you will be fine
[20:53] <ign0ramus> Assurbanipal, np
[20:53] <Assurbanipal> i think because it finds the file on my secondary hard drive that had an old kubuntu installation
[20:54] <ign0ramus> Assurbanipal, that could be... i didn't know you had 2 HDDs
[20:54] <ign0ramus> Assurbanipal, not at first, anyway
[20:54] <sheytan_> Hi everyone. Does anybody know if strigi indexing will work in Kubuntu with kde 4.3? now i have the better sesame backend installed, but even when i change in the config file redland to sesame2 it's still getting back to redland :/
[20:54] <ign0ramus> Assurbanipal, the wiki should address that situation, which is very common :/
[20:54] <Assurbanipal> ok will reboot now to see what happens
[20:54] <Assurbanipal> tnx mate
[20:58] <kaddi_> ok, i'll switch to gnome and see what happens now :)
[20:58] <kaddi_> bbiab
[21:02] <jeremy__> hi
[21:04] <jeremy__> ?
[21:05] <robin0800> !ask |jeremy
[21:07] <jeremy__> i'm bored anyone wanna chat ?
[21:07] <kaddi-backup> !ot
[21:09] <buster__> good evening to all
[21:11] <robin0800> !ask |buster__:
[21:23] <kaddi__> mark___ gnome indeed seems to be running stable for now, i'll test it a bit longer, if it doesn't crash, I'll at least know on who to blame it :D thanks :)
[21:23] <shock_day13> hey everyone
[21:23] <kaddi__> i don't know if it's going to crash and how long this might take..;)
[21:24] <kaddi__> !hi|shock_day13
[21:24] <shock_day13> hey kaddi
[21:24] <shock_day13> wasup
[21:32] <CoJaBo-Aztec> Is connecting to a wireless network with a static IP supported yet?
[21:34] <desu> Can I somehow force APT to download and install a previous version of a package, which still exists as the latest in another repository?
[21:35] <Kuark> heya!
[21:35] <dROg> desu: yes but remove the existing package
[21:35] <Kuark> whats the best c++ compiler?
[21:35] <desu> dROg: any way i can do it _without_ removign the current package?
[21:35] <desu> like, how an upgrade is done?
[21:36] <desu> just, downgrade?
[21:36] <dROg> ow
[21:36] <desu> Kuark: depends... though g++ should suffice for most purposes
[21:36] <dROg> dunno if that's possible
[21:45] <CoJaBo-Aztec> Is connecting to a wireless network with a static IP supported yet?
[21:48] <CoJaBo-Aztec> ...guess not.
[21:50] <GAZRA> Can someone please tell me how to save all instlled packages of an ubuntu system and then installed them in another computer authomatically?
[21:51] <Eismann> the list of packages?
[21:52] <rafa_> algún usario que hable español?
[21:52] <Eismann> existe #kubuntu-es y  #ubuntu-es
[21:52] <CoJaBo-Aztec> Does anyone know what version of Kubuntu will finnally support static IPs?
[21:53] <GAZRA> CoJaBo-Aztec: What do you mean? All linux distros support static IPs!
[21:53] <Eismann> maybe it means networkmanager
[21:54] <CoJaBo-Aztec> GAZRA: The network manager has not supported it in any versions 8.04 to 9.04.
[21:54] <CoJaBo-Aztec> The functionality is visually there, but the GUI controls do not actually work.
[21:54] <Eismann> CoJaBo-Aztec: well, but you can use other ways to set static IP
[21:55] <CoJaBo-Aztec> I feel like I'm in one of those cartoons where the tunnel is just painted on!!!
[21:55] <owen> hey
[21:55] <Eismann> networkmanager does not support static IP. kubuntu does
[21:56] <CoJaBo-Aztec> How?
[21:56] <CoJaBo-Aztec> And why show controls that do nothing?
[21:56] <Eismann> you can configure it manually with ifconfig, or edit /etc/network/interfaces
[21:57] <diego_> mñlmñl
[21:57] <Eismann> CoJaBo-Aztec: I dont know, I dont use it
[21:57] <CoJaBo-Aztec> How do I do wifi with that tho?
[21:57] <diego_> mmmm nose
[21:57] <CoJaBo-Aztec> Am I the only one whos ever used static IPs or something?
[21:58] <Eismann> CoJaBo-Aztec: you can try wicd, its similar to networkmanager
[22:00] <robin0800_> CoJaBo-Aztec: or downgrade to knetworkmanager
[22:01] <Eismann> GAZRA: do you need to get the list of packages to install them in another computer?
[22:05] <CoJaBo-Aztec> robin0800_: knetworkmanager didn't support it any better.
[22:06] <CoJaBo-Aztec> Eismann: What is wicd, and is it actually any better?
[22:07] <diego_> hay algun gestor de descargas para mega o rapid??
[22:07] <Eismann> CoJaBo-Aztec: its similar to networkmanager
[22:07] <Eismann> CoJaBo-Aztec: it has more options and its supposed to work better, but I dont use it
[22:08] <Eismann> cant say mor
[22:08] <Eismann> more
[22:08] <diego_> hay algun gestor de descargas para mega o rapid??
[22:08] <CoJaBo-Aztec> Network manager has tons of options, the problem is there "just painted on".
[22:08] <Eismann> just try it
[22:08] <CoJaBo-Aztec> Does it support WPA?
[22:10] <Eismann> "Many encryption schemes, some of which include WEP/WPA/WPA2"
[22:10] <Eismann> http://wicd.sourceforge.net
[22:11] <Eismann> the only thing I miss is that doesnt support if-up and ip-up scripts
[22:11] <Eismann> at least when I tried it
[22:12] <r3c0n> hi
[22:13] <r3c0n> anyone know how to revert to an older version of libgtkspell-dev? I recently updated through the package manager but it seems like its causing me problem as can be seen from the following error
[22:13] <r3c0n> symbol lookup error: /usr/local/lib/gyachi/plugins/libgyachigtkspell.so: undefined symbol: gtkspell_get_from_text_view
[22:13] <diego_> al usar wine en un programa me dice que necesita java 1.5 como ago para que funcione este programa?
[22:13] <CoJaBo-Aztec> Eismann: Ok, I'll try it...
[22:16] <diego_> al usar wine en un programa me dice que necesita java 1.5 como ago para que funcione este programa?
[22:16] <diego_> al usar wine en un programa me dice que necesita java 1.5 como ago para que funcione este programa?
[22:34] <datone> 101
[22:35] <_Whipper> 102
[22:37] <slow-motion> n8
[22:39] <justin1234> how do i change video drivers? the one that came in jaunty isnt working as well as the old one
[22:46] <olskolirc> someone say my name please
[22:46] <Ursinha> olskolirc,
[22:47] <_Whipper> olskolirc: why?
[22:47] <olskolirc> checking my colors
[22:52] <Weedy> guyz
[22:53] <Weedy> any reason why plasma is using 100% cpu
[22:56] <sakirious> Hrm...KDE 4.2 seems to keep freezing. I can still do thing inside Windows and manipulate them but the kicker bar and desktop do not respond.
[23:02] <andrea2030> i'm looking for an http proxy program, something like proxyway, get around the firewalls used at the university, library, coffee shop, etc..
[23:03] <epimeth> Qflash
[23:03] <epimeth> !flash
[23:05] <GAZRA> But flash is very unstable on 64 bit
[23:05] <epimeth> hmmm... who has an x64?  should I use gnash maybe?
[23:05] <epimeth> oh lol...
[23:05] <epimeth> GAZRA: should I try gnash or swfdec?
[23:07] <GAZRA> epimeth: I really don't know what to tell you, I'm going to install a 32 bit kubuntu, because I'm sick and tired of having problems with the 64 bit version
[23:07] <epimeth> heh
[23:07] <epimeth> speaking of which... I don't even know what I have installed!
[23:07] <epimeth> lol
[23:07] <GAZRA> epimeth: hahaha
[23:07] <epimeth> whats the command?  rname or something?
[23:07] <GAZRA> epimeth: then why are yu asking?
[23:08] <GAZRA> epimeth: a lot of thing still dont work on 64 bit
[23:08] <epimeth> because I have a 64 bit processor and kind of assumed I installed the 64bit OS
[23:08] <GAZRA> epimeth: no
[23:08] <epimeth> so how do I find out which I am using?
[23:08] <epimeth> and what other problems are there with 64bit?
[23:08] <GAZRA> epimeth: hahaha, well, did you installed it from a CD? Did you download it or how did you get ir?
[23:09] <GAZRA> epimeth: there are no real problems, is just that some applications don't work, like google gears, for example, adobe flash 64 is in alfa version and it crashes constantly, etc
[23:11] <epimeth_> grrr
[23:11] <epimeth_> stupid wireless
[23:11] <epimeth_> you were saying, GAZRA?
[23:11] <GAZRA> epimeth: to check try: uname -a
[23:11] <epimeth_> uname! lol
[23:11] <olskolirc> can someone say my name again please?
[23:12] <epimeth_> I was like, wtf is it???
[23:12] <epimeth_> olskolirc:
[23:12] <GAZRA> olskolirc: ??
[23:12] <epimeth_> x86_64 .... grrrrrr
[23:12] <epimeth_> so hows this gnash plugin then?
[23:12] <epimeth_> worth a shot?
[23:12] <GAZRA> epimeth: then you have the 64 bit version installed
[23:12] <epimeth_> or should I try the beta?  maybe send some bug reprts?
[23:13] <GAZRA> epimeth: which beta?
[23:13] <epimeth_> sorry, alpha
[23:13] <epimeth_> You can install the beta of the native 64-bit version, it is available at the Adobe Labs site. You need to extract the file provided, and place it in the folder ~/.mozilla/plugins folder for each user who wants to use flash. Be aware that this is pre-release software and there could be bugs.
[23:13] <GAZRA> epimeth: do you mean the flash alfa? you can't since it is not open source, that's adobes alfa
[23:14] <epimeth_> whaddaya mean, "Can't" ?  "Shouldn't" maybe
[23:15] <epimeth_> damn the GPL to heck
[23:15] <epimeth_> I hope Phil and his pitchspork cause them much pain
[23:16] <GAZRA> epimeth: well you could sent it somewhere to adobe, but I don't think they are gathering the feedback
[23:17] <GAZRA> I'm going to install Kubuntu 32 bit now! I'm just tired of the 64 bit
[23:30] <darkenigma2652> I'm gonna install install Kubuntu on my (older) family desktop, can someone tell me minimum RAM needed for Kubuntu? (since it's KDE)
[23:31] <Weedy> 300ish?
[23:31] <darkenigma2652> k, I should be fine then
[23:32] <darkenigma2652> So now I'm only worried about my sound card, but that shouldn't be too much of a problem
[23:34] <andrea2030> i would go with ubuntu with an older pc
[23:35] <BluesKaj> 512 would more comfy for kde , darkenigma2652
[23:35] <darkenigma2652> Yeah, is has 512
[23:35] <darkenigma2652> it*
[23:35] <BluesKaj> fine
[23:35] <darkenigma2652> andrea2030, I was thinking Xubuntu
[23:36] <darkenigma2652> But my dad and bro are very used to Windows, which is why I wanted KDE
[23:37] <Weedy> < andrea2030> i would go with ubuntu with an older pc <-- your kidding right?
[23:37] <carpii> id say gnome is more similar to windows than kde personally
[23:37] <Weedy> i can't get a desktop on ubuntu with less then 375mb of ram
[23:37] <Weedy> i can have 4.2 and a bunch of widgets for 250
[23:38] <darkenigma2652> Can you believe I tried to install it on an old laptop with 280 MB of RAM? lol
[23:38] <Weedy> as long as you had swap it might work
[23:39] <darkenigma2652> Not sure what it had, but I'm on it atm with de-branded Mint 6 XFCE CE
[23:39] <andrea2030> i would of thought ubuntu would be less memory hungry then kde, i would just throw the old pc out.
[23:39] <darkenigma2652> lol
[23:39] <Weedy> gnome is bloat city
[23:40] <darkenigma2652> I LOVE old tech, I would never throw a PC out
[23:40] <darkenigma2652> Unless I dropped it down stairs...
[23:40] <Weedy> and as much as i hate how kdelibs/qt are huge
[23:40] <darkenigma2652> lol
[23:40] <andrea2030> pcs arent expensive these days, there not $3000 anymore
[23:40] <Weedy> at least they got to the point where they can do EVERYTHING
[23:40] <Weedy> and you don't need anything else
[23:40] <Weedy> so you only need 2 libs to get a desktop
[23:41] <darkenigma2652> Does anyone here know if a SoundMAX Integrated Digital Audio sound card works fine with alsa? Or will it be a pain?
[23:43] <darkenigma2652> ... Do I hear a cricket?
[23:43] <andrea2030> have you tried google
[23:44] <darkenigma2652> Yes
[23:44] <darkenigma2652> Only get results for problems with no replies lol
[23:45] <nightdrever> how do i join a ubuntu room?
[23:45] <darkenigma2652> Well, how did you join this room? lol
[23:46] <darkenigma2652> ... I think I just confused myself
[23:46] <andrea2030> ./join ubuntu  << in status window without period at the front
[23:46] <andrea2030> status window is the first window
[23:49] <darkenigma2652> grrr... Looks like there's three different modules alsa uses for SoundMAX
[23:50] <darkenigma2652> I HATE it when there are multiple modules for sound cards -_-
[23:51] <andrea2030> which one is the most stable
[23:51] <andrea2030> why not search for your "motherboard model ubuntu" in google
[23:51] <nico_> hola
[23:52] <darkenigma2652> The default module is the Intel one, which is the most common and is the most likely to work
[23:52] <darkenigma2652> But there's also an ALi one and some other module I should look up just in case
[23:53] <darkenigma2652> I have no idea what motherboard I have XD
[23:53] <andrea2030> why not try all 3
[23:53] <andrea2030> test which one works the best
[23:53] <andrea2030> have you ever opened up a computer?
[23:53] <andrea2030> model number is on the motherboard
[23:54] <darkenigma2652> I never needed to, I've only opened my old laptop to replace a CMOS battery
[23:55] <darkenigma2652> Though I will need to when I get my grandma's (LOL) computer which is running Vista on only 503 MB of RAM
[23:55] <darkenigma2652> LOL to the second part aswell
[23:56] <sere> can someone tell me how to test and see if my tvout is working as a seperate screen...nvidia-settings sees it and it turns black when i start x so i think its working just not sure how to test it
[23:59] <darkenigma2652> Ok, maybe only two modules for it. All I can find are intel8x0 and via82xx