[00:02] <ondisk> event horizon was a great movie
[00:03] <DanaG> hmm, how do I fix it, then?
[00:05] <ienorand> DanaG: I have no idea, chown it?
[00:05] <Sarvatt> sudo rm /dev/null && sudo mknod -m 0666 /dev/null c 1 3
[00:05] <ienorand> ondisk: It got a bit out of hand towards the end though...
[00:06] <DanaG> ah, dpkg --configure -a was it, actually.
[00:06] <DanaG> It was inhibiting udevtrigger.
[00:10] <ondisk> ienorand: yeah, but scary though! I couldn't sleep after I watched it :)
[00:17] <wirechief> Sarvatt have you seen/heard of this ? http://virtuousgeek.org/blog/index.php/jbarnes/2009/05/07/pageflipping_blocking_etc
[00:20]  * wirechief hopeing for a breakthrough on uxa in karmic
[02:28] <pace_t_zulu> !arch
[02:29] <mrwes> !puppy
[02:29] <mrwes> "_
[04:02] <calc> any using karmic yet?
[04:02] <calc> er anyone
[04:02] <ienorand> yea
[04:03] <ienorand> several
[04:03]  * calc is considering reinstalling to karmic tonight for his trip to allhands/uds
[04:03] <calc> ienorand: does it work well for you?
[04:03] <ienorand> Very well actually, I've managed not to fall into any of the pits
[04:03] <Volkodav> anybody using claws-mail ?
[04:03] <calc> ienorand: is gnome 2.27 in it yet?
[04:04] <ienorand> I do have a solid nvidia card though, gnome 2.26 currently
[04:04] <calc> ok
[04:05]  * calc is downloading the current desktop disc to reinstall with
[04:05] <ienorand> well, actually, i did end up with a broken resolution just recently, but a quick reinstall of nvidia drivers worked out just perfect....
[04:06] <calc> ok
[04:06] <calc> i am using intel drivers for my system
[04:06] <ienorand> As always, I'd recommend installing it and running off a usb stick... been doin that all through jaunty 'til now
[04:08] <calc> ok
[04:08]  * calc is a developer so probably should be using it as his main system, wasn't sure if it was stable enough to do that yet
[04:09] <akio> hello
[04:10] <akio> I'm not sure if I am using tinyirc correctly, can someone acknowledge I am here?
[04:10] <DanaG> I won't switch from Jaunty until I get either KMS or 3D with radeon.  =þ
[04:10] <akio> DanaG, can you see my text?
[04:10] <DanaG> yeah.
[04:10] <akio> thanks
[04:11] <akio> i switched and I paying the Alpha price
[04:11] <akio> am*
[04:11] <akio> i am forced back to a cli irc client, but I like this one so far
[04:13] <akio> starts up fine, but after 90 seconds or so after full desktop the backlight goes banana wacky and it seems like ACPI or something is the problem but my machine becomes very difficult to use after that
[04:13] <akio> right now i am in recovery mode
[04:14] <akio> wait no I'm not
[04:14] <ienorand> akio: uugh, pain. although cli can be cozy at times...
[04:14] <akio> i switched to the vesa driver in recovery, but the problem remains after reboot - so I went to the tty
[04:15] <akio> it's nice to be reminded of my roots
[04:16] <akio> but I'm not too savvy as to where to look in the logs to see what is going on, iirc i thought there was an acpi log or something
[04:16] <akio> it doesn't help I'm on vacation in Bogota Columbia with my only machine (and decided to dist-upgrade)
[04:16] <akio> smoooth
[04:17] <calc> i'm having weird issues even with jaunty on my new laptop, seems to probably just be intel video driver issues though
[04:17] <akio> i don't think it is the issue because i force loaded vesa and the problem remains
[04:19]  * calc sees a new bios for his laptop so will load it before installing karmic
[04:19] <ienorand> calc: have you gone for the -proposed intel stuff?
[04:19] <calc> ienorand: not sure
[04:19] <akio> how do you do that?
[04:19] <calc> hmm looks like i haven't
[04:19] <akio> UXA?
[04:20] <akio> yeah that helped a lot
[04:20] <calc> akio: for jaunty only, but you just add proposed in /etc/apt/sources.list
[04:20] <akio> he was from my hometown
[04:20] <calc> man this rsync is running really slow :\ i guess my net connection is crap
[04:21] <akio> holy crap alpha is changing by the minute
[04:21] <ienorand> yea, the xserver-video-intel version on karmic is an even newer one than the one in jaunty-proposed
[04:22] <ienorand> akio: Yea, mustve been at least ~100 updates coming through today...
[04:22] <akio> i want the KMS so badly I switched without checking to see if it was addded yet
[04:23] <akio> running a safe-upgrade now
[04:26] <DanaG> Any idea when we'll see radeon KMS?
[04:27] <ienorand> calc: There hasn't been any answers in #ubuntu-devel in 5 hours...
[04:28] <Amaranth> DanaG: 2.6.31 or 2.6.32
[04:28] <Amaranth> DanaG: (not karmic)
[04:28] <DanaG> Damn.
[04:29] <DanaG> oh yeah, so I am awaiting to see what'll come down the pipe, so to speak.
[04:29] <calc> ienorand: the canonical managers are probably all flying out in the morning to barcelona, i don't leave until monday
[04:29] <DanaG> I have a spare drive that has a 32-bit Karmic.
[04:30]  * calc will be in barcelona may 18-30
[04:32] <ienorand> Ah, keep forgetting that uds is coming up... would be fun to be able to go at some point, but I don't think that'll be in yet a while... need to actually do some developing first :)
[04:32] <calc> the fall one will likely be somewhere in the US
[04:33] <akio> really?
[04:33] <akio> are those things public admittance?
[04:34] <akio> i have a free round trip ticket and I would love to go
[04:34] <calc> fall uds is nov 16-20
[04:34] <calc> akio: yea you just have to sign up on the wiki (iirc)
[04:34] <calc> but the location hasn't been determined yet, afaik
[04:35] <calc> akio: the 9.10 uds is week after next in barcelona may 25-29
[04:35] <akio> portland oregon, linus will check it out
[04:36] <akio> i want to move to the SF bay area
[04:37] <calc> too expensive for me :\
[04:37] <calc> i can get housing here for ~ $40-100 sqft instead of $300+
[04:38] <akio> you only need about 10 for a computer ;)
[04:38] <akio> if you like the area you will be out more
[04:39] <calc> heh
[04:39] <akio> when i was there i was always walking around checking stuff out and riding the public transit
[04:39] <calc> my ~ 1700 sqft home only cost me $72K
[04:40] <akio> housing leans towards the buyer but I don't want to stay stuck in florida
[04:41] <calc> i'm in houston which is fairly nice except for the heat and humidiity
[04:44] <calc> almost done downloading the cd :)
[04:49]  * calc hopes his laptop isn't dying and that it is just a video driver issue
[04:50] <akio> i wish i knew how to classify this bug, it is really annoying - a good idea would be to take a video of what is happening
[04:50] <akio> what is happening?
[04:51] <akio> does it look like the backlight is going nuts and the system becomes less responsive?
[04:53] <akio> i rebooted into vesa and so far the issue hasn't come up
[04:53] <DanaG> hmm, try blacklisting "video" module.
[04:55] <calc> for me its drawing trash on fonts and various other graphical glitches
[04:55] <akio> im not sure what that entails but it sounds drastic
[04:57] <calc> yea this could be either a driver issue i am seeing or possibly failing hardware, not sure which yet
[04:57] <calc> but the intel driver is known to be shit in jaunty
[04:58] <akio> i can't wait for KMS
[04:58] <thiebaude> !kms
[04:59] <thiebaude> what is KMS?
[04:59] <akio> kernel mode switching
[04:59] <akio> I want it because I have a non-standard screen size and it will allow proper console font sizing
[04:59] <akio> without X
[05:00] <thiebaude> oh ok
[05:00] <akio> it means alot on a 1024x600 screen
[05:00] <akio> i have the MSI Wind
[05:02] <calc> vesa doesn't work for any modern screen
[05:02] <calc> it as defined before widescreens
[05:07] <akio> vesa works for my screen it just stretches
[05:07] <ienorand> akio: ah, how is the wind in general? I've been considering netbooks for future purchases...
[05:07] <calc> i have a netbook to use but i like my thinkpad x200 much better
[05:08] <calc> at 12" its not much bigger physically than 10" netbook but much more usable (of course also more expensive)
[05:08] <akio> i want a thinkpad but the price is killer
[05:08] <calc> akio: you can get discount through www.lenovo.com/cpp (familyandfriends) but they are still more than a netbook
[05:08] <akio> i am going to get my dad the S10 with the 6 cell
[05:09]  * calc might get a W 15" for his next system since they have nice 1920x1200 screen
[05:10] <calc> ok i gotta run for a while, going to upgrade my bios and see about upgrading to karmic
[05:10] <calc> i'll be logged into irc but won't be at the console
[05:11] <ienorand> calc: good luck
[05:11] <akio> thanks
[05:11] <akio> lol
[05:11] <akio> oops
[05:12] <ienorand> I was thinking of doing a netbook/desktop combo next round, since I use my current laptop as a stationary thingy so often anyways...
[05:23]  * DanaG has an EliteBook 8530w.  Has nice UEFI firmware to mess around with.
[05:26] <calc> so karmic desktop cd is still broken
[05:26] <calc> now i get to download the alt disc
[05:29] <calc> at least with using rsync it shouldn't take forever to redownload
[11:26] <|ns|nR8> not much to talk about yet
[11:26] <|ns|nR8> is it possible to download an iso of koala yet ?
[11:53] <dazjorz> current status of kde in karmic:
[11:53] <dazjorz> on my system, still 56 kde 4.2.2 packages remaining, 75 4.3beta1 packages installed
[11:54] <dazjorz> there's still a lot of merging TODO
[12:36] <geirha> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KarmicReleaseSchedule  ; June 11th Translations exported from LP. Does that mean one can start translating karmic packages on launchpad?
[13:39] <blueyed> I'm having cryptsetup problems with karmic: booting with the .30 kernel, it halts at "Waiting for encrypted devices..." (no password prompt), using an older kernel halts at "Loading hardware drivers...". Anything known about this?
[13:51] <dazjorz> blueyed: loading hardware drivers sounds like you need to re-run mkinitrd or so
[13:51]  * dazjorz himself is having problems with horrendeously slow Qt or SDL stuff, not sure which of the two
[14:04] <blueyed> dazjorz: maybe, but I fear that this results in cryptsetup / the password prompt not working/appearing in the first place, too (like in the new image).
[14:07] <dazjorz> possibly, yeah
[14:08] <dazjorz> though
[14:08] <dazjorz> "waiting for encrypted devices", doesn't that mean something like uuid / device name / device node is incorrect so it can't find the device?
[14:08] <dazjorz> that's the case with "waiting for root device", anyway
[14:10] <blueyed> Good hint, but that would be odd: I've not changed the setup.
[14:10] <dazjorz> that would be completely normal under these circumstances ;-)
[14:29]  * dazjorz builds kdebase-workspace and kdebase from the source packages on launchpad
[14:32] <blueyed> uh.. I've just regenerated the initrd in a chroot, and it's missing /conf/conf.d/cryptroot - which is in older initrds. however I've not checked if it has been there before the update-initramfs in the chroot.. :/
[14:35] <blueyed> well, it's not in my old 2.6.28-8 initrd either, only in 2.6.24-x.
[14:54] <dazjorz> blueyed: check apt-file search cryptroot or so? :)
[14:54] <dazjorz> see if a package is missing or broken?
[14:59] <BUGabundo> hi guys
[15:00] <BUGabundo> lots of new bugs for me to file
[15:00] <BUGabundo> any one interessed in checking them ?
[15:00] <dazjorz> hi BUGabundo :)
[15:00] <dazjorz> if they are KDE related:
[15:00] <BUGabundo> hey dazjorz
[15:00] <dazjorz> - the new source packages for kdebase-workspace and kdebase and such are online, I'd advise you to build them from source then install them, like I'm doing now
[15:00] <dazjorz> they probably fix a lot of issues
[15:01] <BUGabundo> naa
[15:01] <BUGabundo> I'll just wait for the kubuntu-ningas to fix it
[15:02] <BUGabundo> 1st bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/transmission/+bug/377269
[15:02] <dazjorz> I didn't see the packages scheduled for building on the Launchpad servers yet :(
[15:15] <dazjorz> kdebase-workspace installed correctly, even though the official build failed
[15:15] <dazjorz> built and installed correctly
[15:16] <BUGabundo> next bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/377270
[15:17] <BUGabundo> any one seeing this : May 16 03:13:25 blubug kernel: [30563.537619] gvfs-gdu-volume[31437]: segfault at 18 ip 00007fe735c312f1 sp 00007fffb2b0d220 error 4 in libgdu.so.0.0.0[7fe735c26000+22000]
[15:17] <charlie-tca> I have to install karmic today. I don't have it yet
[15:18] <BUGabundo> eheheheehheeheheheheh
[15:18] <BUGabundo> come on join us charlie-tca
[15:18] <BUGabundo> KK for the brave
[15:18] <charlie-tca> Going to. Have to do my backups, then wipe this out and install karmic
[15:19] <BUGabundo> $ ubuntu-bug gvfs-backends
[15:20] <BUGabundo> I love the new look of LP bugs page
[15:20] <BUGabundo> let me tell them that
[15:24] <blueyed> Apparently my RAID, cryptsetup, LVM setup does not get detected as LVM anymore?!
[15:24] <blueyed> it fails in get_lvm_deps in /usr/share/initramfs-tools/hooks/cryptroot - dmsetup does not know anything about the root node.
[15:27] <BUGabundo> one more https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gvfs/+bug/377276
[15:42] <dazjorz> aaaand installed, logged in again, it's working flawlessly, great
[15:42] <dazjorz> apart from that I had to move one file which wasn't installed by the packages, to get konsole to work, it's great
[16:07] <BUGabundo> how do you call the nautilus pop windows?? those small for stuff like about, and file transfer?
[16:07] <Twigathy> Dialgoue boxes?
[16:07] <Twigathy> Although...not really c_c
[16:08] <BUGabundo> I don't know
[16:08] <BUGabundo> want to describe it on a bug
[16:08] <BUGabundo> but I fail to know its name
[16:11] <charlie-tca> I don't. I use thunar
[16:11] <charlie-tca> pop-up window?
[16:14] <BUGabundo> charlie-tca: twilight: see if this sound correct: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nautilus/+bug/377291
[16:16] <charlie-tca> Makes sense to me. You couldn't get the nautilus dialog to stay visible
[16:19] <BUGabundo> ok
[16:32] <dazjorz> BUGabundo: "notifications"
[16:32] <dazjorz> KNotify notifications :)
[16:32] <dazjorz> or, hm, nautilus? that's how dolphin does it
[16:32]  * dazjorz was confused, maybe nautilus does it differently
[16:37] <charlie-tca> kubuntu will not be the same
[16:37] <charlie-tca> xubuntu will not be the same, either
[16:49] <BUGabundo> dazjorz: you seem be able to shift around the depencies
[16:49] <BUGabundo> other them local install what can I do?
[16:52]  * BUGabundo tries aptitude to see if it saves the day
[16:55] <BUGabundo> brb
[17:03] <dazjorz> BUGabundo: what? :)
[18:49] <ktebit> I added the /home/carl/Videos line to my fstab http://dpaste.com/44779/ rebooted, and fsck errored with something like "Cant find device with UUID=87888e41.." - A) did that message get logged somewhere? B) what did I do wrong?
[18:49] <ktebit> carl@gw42:~$ blkid /dev/sdb1; /dev/sdb1: UUID="5e9644f2-f31b-48ac-92a7-c4b7048d0d2f" TYPE="ext4"
[18:50] <dazjorz> the UUID seems different
[18:50] <dazjorz> also: the message was probably logged in dmesg, /var/log/boot or /var/log/syslog
[18:51] <ktebit> what should I do?
[18:52] <ktebit> what do you use?
[19:44] <acicula> hmm i have trouble updating some kde-runtime packages(apt-get fails with it meddling with files belonging to other packages), known issue/fix commited yet?
[19:54] <wirechief> karmic remix boots to initramfs   error SQUASHFS error: Major/Minor mismatch, older Squashfs 3.1 filesystems are unsupported
[19:54] <wirechief> exit suggested  to give init= someplace
[20:13] <joetheodd> Is there a schedule for how often things get released to the repos?
[20:14] <rski> no
[20:14] <BUGabundo> there is a schedule
[20:14] <BUGabundo>  !schedule
[20:14] <BUGabundo> but regular packages come as soon as some dev or auto sync gets them
[20:14] <rski> that's now what he wanted
[20:14] <dazjorz> BUGabundo: what did you mean earlier today? :)
[20:15] <BUGabundo> dazjorz: no idea
[20:15] <BUGabundo> what was it ?
[20:15] <BUGabundo> ahh the kde depends
[20:15] <dazjorz> 17:49:16 < BUGabundo> dazjorz: you seem be able to shift around the depencies
[20:15] <dazjorz> 17:49:30 < BUGabundo> other them local install what can I do?
[20:15] <dazjorz> ooh right
[20:15] <BUGabundo> I guess apitute gained a new lover
[20:15] <dazjorz> I compiled kdebase-workspace and kdebase myself
[20:15] <dazjorz> for the other dependencies
[20:15] <dazjorz> I just used dpkg --force-depends and in other places, dpkg --force-overwrite :p
[20:17] <BUGabundo> aptitude sufices for me
[20:25] <joetheodd> Anyone know when 2.6.30 will get restricted modules? I'm stuck on 2.6.28 so that I can use my wireless.
[20:26] <BUGabundo> joetheodd: luckly my intel works!
[20:26] <joetheodd> BUGabundo, on the new kernel?
[20:27] <BUGabundo> Linux blubug 2.6.30-5-generic #6-Ubuntu SMP Mon May 11 20:46:57 UTC 2009 x86_64 GNU/Linux
[20:28] <ienorand> Yea, does not the old restricted work with the new kernel? (I am woefully ignorant of these things)
[20:29] <DanaG> What module?
[20:30] <yoasif> hey guys -- where should i file a bug report if i want a new filtype to be recognized?
[20:31] <BUGabundo> lets see if this now works
[20:31] <BUGabundo> Linux blubug 2.6.30-5-generic #6-Ubuntu SMP Mon May 11 20:46:57 UTC 2009 x86_64 GNU/Linux
[20:31] <ienorand> nautilus?
[20:31] <BUGabundo> ahh
[20:31] <BUGabundo> fixed
[20:31] <yoasif> is it shared-mime-info?
[20:39] <DanaG> ugh, quodlibet doesn't play well with notify-osd.
[20:40] <DanaG> It creates new notifications... so you can end up with like a 15-minute backlog of song-change notifications if you're skipping around a lot.
[20:40] <DanaG> okay, more like 5... but it's still damn annoying.
[20:50] <blueyed> anybody using Karmic with RAID on root? (I have raid+cryptsetup+lvm) It seems like the raid setup does not get picked up anymore.
[20:50] <BUGabundo> blueyed: better ask on #ubuntu-server
[21:23] <blueyed> BUGabundo: thanks, no response there though. File bug 377395 about it now.
[21:23] <blueyed> Off for another round to get the debuglog.
[21:36] <joetheodd> Can things like "bluetooth support packages shouldn't be installed on systems that aren't bluetooth enabled" be submitted as bugs?
[21:38] <BUGabundo> joetheodd: nope
[21:38] <BUGabundo> they will be closed with invalid or won't fix
[21:38] <BUGabundo> since Ubuntu aims to work with any system
[21:38] <BUGabundo> BT support should be present so that if you connect a dongle or card it works
[21:39] <BUGabundo> if user doesn't wish them they can remove the packages
[21:39] <BUGabundo> but the desktop seed will install it again on upgrades, and currently is builted into the kernel
[21:47] <joetheodd> Ideally, there should be a hardware detection thingy, so when you plug it in it'll be like "o hai der dongle, want me to get these packages?"
[21:48] <joetheodd> The same goes with cups, in my opinion. I don't have a printer, and don't ever plan on using one. ubuntu-desktop even requires cups.
[21:49] <BUGabundo> actually on karmic for some reason synaptics is telling me it can remove CUPS!
[21:49] <BUGabundo> I found that very strange
[21:54] <lamalex> that hardware detection jawn would be sweet :)
[21:54] <lamalex> joetheodd: sounds like a good project for you
[21:54] <BUGabundo> this is FLOSS. feel free to implement it
[21:55] <lamalex> devicekit + packagekit integration thing
[21:55] <lamalex> BUGabundo: even if it wasn't FOSS you'd still be free to implement it
[21:55] <BUGabundo> lamalex: not as easy, would it?
[21:56] <lamalex> i dont see how it would be any less easy
[21:56] <lamalex> windows for example sure the source code isn't available, but the apis are still there, otherwise no one could write software for it
[21:57] <lamalex> you dont need the source code to every piece of software to write software that talks to it
[21:57] <lamalex> frankly you shouldnt look at a projects code when writing another app that interacts with it, only the api docs
[21:57] <BUGabundo> correct
[21:57] <ikonia> gents, "/topic" please ?
[21:58] <lamalex> this is not off topic enough to warrant telling us to get back on topic
[21:58] <BUGabundo> lamalex: don't go there...
[21:59] <lamalex> we're talking about programming, with respect to a daemon that watches for new hardware then offers to install packages you need for it to run
[21:59] <BUGabundo> eheh
[22:00] <lamalex> maybe if we were talking about our favourite stir fry techniques you could gives us a nudge about topic
[22:01] <joaopinto> lamalex, despite you having a printer or not, other software depends on printing functions provide by cups for it's printing, your suggestion with require, print-less software
[22:02] <joaopinto> that could be done, but make things much more complex
[22:03] <BUGabundo> joaopinto: and what about BT?
[22:03] <BUGabundo> eheh
[22:03] <lamalex> joaopinto: CUPS doesn't really fall into scope with this at all
[22:04] <ikonia> PLEASE this is 9,10 discussion
[22:04] <joaopinto> ikonia, were discussing about to remove cups or not from 9.10
[22:04] <lamalex> ikonia: relax
[22:04] <joaopinto> to make it on topic
[22:05] <lamalex> joaopinto: :)
[22:05] <lamalex> im sure the technical board will approve that no question
[22:06] <joetheodd> joaopinto, i think the problem with that is, CUPS is the common unix printing server. Nothing should depend on it that doesn't have to do with printing.
[22:07] <joetheodd> I always envision GNU as a spiderweb. Some packages are connected, and some aren't, with the core in the middle. CUPS is tied to things that have nothing to do with printing, which is a bad thing.
[22:40] <ktebit> im tryin to get my logitech quick cam messenger plus working in ubuntu 9.04 i got the drive thing qc-usb-0.6.6 and it says run a $ make all command where do i do this at?
[22:41] <rski> ktebit: ask in #ubuntu
[22:42] <BUGabundo> ktebit: this # is meant for 9.10 karmic discussion
[22:42] <BUGabundo> not that many of it happens here....
[22:42] <BUGabundo> but that's another storie
[22:48] <robin0800_> can you install gnome in kde?
[22:48] <rski> s
[22:48] <rski> yes
[22:48] <ikonia> robin0800_: on ubuntu 9.10 ?
[22:48] <BUGabundo> robin0800_: yep
[22:48] <BUGabundo> sudo aptitude install ubuntu-desktop
[22:49] <BUGabundo> I'm just recomending aptitude due to depencies being broken on KDE
[22:50] <robin0800_> BUGabundo: thanks yes dependencie problems in kde
[22:50] <BUGabundo> robin0800_: so apitude seems to help a lot, right now
[22:50] <yoasif> anyone want to check out my patch here: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/zsnes/+bug/377409
[22:51] <acicula> hmm i have trouble updating some kde-runtime packages(apt-get fails with it meddling with files belonging to other packages), known issue/fix commited yet?
[23:42] <ienorand> [slightly ot] How can I send a command to be executed from another tty to the gdm tty , it happens every so often (on Karmic) that both metacity and compiz fails, and I get stuck with an operational, but useless tty7 (no interaction), is there any way to pass a "metacity --replace" command to it, from tty1, or otherwise, not having to restart x completely?
[23:43] <BUGabundo> ienorand: it's a nice question
[23:43] <BUGabundo> I just kill compiz on a TTY
[23:43] <BUGabundo> get back to TTY7 and reload it with fusion icon
[23:45] <crd1b> DISPLAY=:0 metacity --replace &
[23:45] <ienorand> Hmm, yea, but i seem to get stuck with neither compiz nor metacity crd1b: will test that :)
[23:46] <Twigathy> whee, updates time...
[23:49] <BUGabundo> thanks crd1b
[23:49] <BUGabundo> making and alias for easy access
[23:59] <ienorand> crd1b: that worked nicely, cheers :)