| === SiDi`Laptop is now known as SiDi | ||
| kwwii | SiDi: pong | 00:19 |
|---|---|---|
| kwwii | the corners are a bit hard on hte buttons | 00:20 |
| kwwii | but otherwise it looks similar | 00:20 |
| kwwii | work on the buttons | 00:20 |
| SiDi | its quite hard actually | 00:20 |
| SiDi | i resized them via gimp | 00:20 |
| kwwii | I am going to bed in 5 minutes | 00:20 |
| kwwii | yeah, it is a bitch | 00:21 |
| kwwii | I agree | 00:21 |
| SiDi | the original ones are twice bigger, but the author uses metacity's resizing | 00:21 |
| * knome starts counting | 00:21 | |
| SiDi | and xfwm doesnt support this :P | 00:21 |
| kwwii | but learning that will make things different for you | 00:21 |
| SiDi | if you know any better tool for resizing i'm up for it :p | 00:21 |
| kwwii | it is a matter of trade-offs | 00:21 |
| kwwii | and you need to get it right to make things work as best as they can | 00:21 |
| kwwii | so good luck | 00:22 |
| * SiDi didnt understand _at all_ :P | 00:22 | |
| kwwii | keep trying | 00:22 |
| kwwii | it takes time | 00:22 |
| kwwii | the close button it good | 00:22 |
| SiDi | its because it was bigger :p | 00:22 |
| kwwii | but the ratio on the others is a bit too harsh | 00:22 |
| kwwii | yeah, exactl | 00:22 |
| kwwii | y | 00:22 |
| SiDi | i'll resize with photoshop :] | 00:22 |
| knome | lol | 00:23 |
| kwwii | so how do you fake that on the others? | 00:23 |
| SiDi | its just a 50% resize | 00:23 |
| kwwii | make the dark parts lighter | 00:23 |
| knome | kwwii, you have two minutes left | 00:23 |
| SiDi | on _all_ the buttons | 00:23 |
| knome | ;] | 00:23 |
| SiDi | i took the metacity files as they were actually | 00:23 |
| SiDi | nothing tweaked | 00:23 |
| meoblast001 | hi | 00:23 |
| kwwii | and make extra light grey squares for the rounded corners | 00:23 |
| SiDi | (well, i added a window bg because xfwm doesnt support transparent bgs and i resized) | 00:24 |
| meoblast001 | by any chance is this the place for ubuntu audio as well as art? | 00:24 |
| kwwii | if you can draw a line you can draw a square | 00:24 |
| SiDi | kwwii: i dont think xfwm supports alpha transparency | 00:24 |
| kwwii | meoblast001: yes, indeed | 00:24 |
| meoblast001 | ok | 00:24 |
| kwwii | but I am passing out soon | 00:24 |
| SiDi | meoblast001: no its not :P | 00:24 |
| SiDi | kwwii: go bed, you seem to needa rest ! :P | 00:24 |
| kwwii | and I am one of the few who is interested in it :p | 00:24 |
| meoblast001 | one of my biggest issues with Ubuntu is that i feel the themes and sounds don't change enough | 00:24 |
| meoblast001 | i think there needs to be a consistant change | 00:25 |
| kwwii | knome is keeping track of how much time I have left, no worries :) | 00:25 |
| SiDi | hahah :D I agree the theme doesnt change enough :D | 00:25 |
| SiDi | knome: plug his pc off :P | 00:25 |
| knome | the best way to change that is to start working on it yourself | 00:25 |
| meoblast001 | maybe, every LTS release has a heavily modified GDM, GTK theme, and sound scheme along with the regular background change | 00:25 |
| knome | kwwii, TIME! | 00:25 |
| kwwii | meoblast001: I agree that there should be a change, but I think that we need to be very carefull when changing things | 00:25 |
| meoblast001 | i can probably make new sounds | 00:25 |
| kwwii | and with that, I will piss off | 00:25 |
| meoblast001 | i used to use FL Studio and i was making sounds like crazy | 00:26 |
| kwwii | meoblast001: put them on the wiki somewhere, or send me an email | 00:26 |
| SiDi | kwwii: i cant make the borders any better btw P | 00:26 |
| knome | meoblast001, like shouting "mooo" at the microphone? i'd definitely want that sound scheme. | 00:26 |
| meoblast001 | thing is, only FL 7 works in WINE, and Image-Line doesn't offer FL7 anymore | 00:26 |
| knome | kwwii, you're overtime | 00:26 |
| SiDi | kwwii: you're sleeping btw | 00:26 |
| knome | kwwii, go to sleep :] | 00:26 |
| knome | SiDi, actually he talked about *going to bed* in 5 | 00:27 |
| knome | not actually sleeping | 00:27 |
| knome | and he might have a laptop.. | 00:27 |
| === kwwii is now known as kwwii_ | ||
| === kwwii_ is now known as kwwii | ||
| meoblast001 | i really wish Ubuntu would change colors, but i guess orange is the de facto standard | 00:27 |
| meoblast001 | de facto standard for Ubuntu colors | 00:28 |
| meoblast001 | i'd love a video like this for ubuntu http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_hEZZVYXFsA | 00:29 |
| knome | i'd change the logo at least | 00:30 |
| knome | ;] | 00:30 |
| knome | personally i think it's a bit boring | 00:31 |
| knome | too long and not really inspirating music | 00:31 |
| SiDi | i think my bandwidth sucks too much to watch a video | 00:31 |
| knome | and it seems to show off the new hardware more than vista | 00:31 |
| knome | like "wow, you can have a mouseless pc" | 00:32 |
| meoblast001 | no... not the hardware | 00:32 |
| meoblast001 | that's what i don't like about the video | 00:32 |
| meoblast001 | i think there needs to be a video like that for Ubuntu that shows off Ubuntu's features | 00:32 |
| knome | offtopic: i hate people with this kind of attitude: "ya i know YouTube as been riding my ass about copyright because its most of what i post lol" | 00:33 |
| knome | "lol noob there is reason for copyrights lol?" | 00:33 |
| meoblast001 | i agree with RMS that the copyright length needs to be shortened to 10 years | 00:34 |
| knome | that's a different thing | 00:34 |
| meoblast001 | it's hard to make large profits on direct sales of a work after 3 years anyway | 00:34 |
| knome | i'm not saying everything even should have the copyright as we know it now | 00:34 |
| knome | but that attitude just irritates me | 00:34 |
| meoblast001 | i thought up a cool idea that, if i ever made my own distro, i would put it in that, but i think it'd be best to submit it to branstorm for ubuntu | 00:35 |
| meoblast001 | something in the installer that dumps lshw into a file | 00:35 |
| meoblast001 | and then checks it's data against a good/bad list of hardware | 00:36 |
| meoblast001 | and says whether A) a device is fully compatible with Ubuntu B) proprietary drivers will be needed or C) not compatible at all | 00:36 |
| knome | not a bad idea at all | 00:36 |
| knome | i'm bleeding. | 00:36 |
| meoblast001 | knome: ha | 00:36 |
| meoblast001 | get a bandage | 00:37 |
| knome | i have | 00:37 |
| meoblast001 | knome: i think the idea would be easy to implement | 00:37 |
| meoblast001 | knome: i'm not even a great programmer and i think i could do that | 00:37 |
| knome | the only thing needed would be a hw list | 00:37 |
| knome | and an internet connection to connect to it | 00:37 |
| meoblast001 | yes.... and that could be created with user input | 00:37 |
| meoblast001 | knome: it would be necessary that a local list exist too | 00:37 |
| knome | yes | 00:37 |
| meoblast001 | but it should ask the user whether he/she wants to use the local or get it from online | 00:38 |
| knome | but what if the user has no internet devices that are supported? | 00:38 |
| knome | nope, should not ask. | 00:38 |
| meoblast001 | knome: i wanted, at one time, to make a distro that is as compatible as Debian but easy to use as Ubuntu | 00:38 |
| knome | use internet if possible | 00:38 |
| meoblast001 | i half way gave up on that :( | 00:38 |
| knome | but if not, then use local copy | 00:38 |
| meoblast001 | knome: yes | 00:38 |
| knome | mmm... i like blood | 00:39 |
| knome | it's the third time this week when my nose bleeds | 00:39 |
| knome | second time today | 00:39 |
| meoblast001 | knome: i cut myself up when i built my mom her computer | 00:40 |
| knome | ouch | 00:40 |
| meoblast001 | i get the feeling she's starting to want Windows | 00:40 |
| knome | failure | 00:40 |
| knome | lol | 00:41 |
| meoblast001 | our camera doesn't work on it | 00:41 |
| meoblast001 | i wanted to file a bug tonight | 00:41 |
| meoblast001 | my dad was ticked at me when i installed it | 00:41 |
| meoblast001 | for some reason, magically, only I have completely Ubuntu compatible hardware | 00:41 |
| meoblast001 | well.. my mom's is too because i made sure of it | 00:41 |
| * meoblast001 hates Broadcom | 00:42 | |
| knome | hah | 00:42 |
| meoblast001 | i think Nouveau is an amazing project | 00:42 |
| meoblast001 | i hate nVidia drivers | 00:42 |
| meoblast001 | who do they think they are.... trying to tie chains to people looking for freedom | 00:42 |
| knome | ;) | 00:42 |
| SiDi | meoblast001: it wouldnt be that easy | 00:43 |
| meoblast001 | for nVidia to make theirs free? | 00:43 |
| knome | atm i have no problems with even propietary drivers if they work. | 00:43 |
| meoblast001 | they could make two drivers | 00:43 |
| SiDi | on each kernel / hal / acpi update you'd have to check the WHOLE list of hardware | 00:43 |
| SiDi | there'd be errors and false positives | 00:43 |
| meoblast001 | sure, the proprietary drivers would perform better | 00:43 |
| meoblast001 | because S3TC is a patented, proprietary piece of software | 00:43 |
| meoblast001 | but screw it... i'd rather have free drivers than S3TC | 00:44 |
| meoblast001 | we need libsfreetc | 00:44 |
| meoblast001 | :P | 00:44 |
| SiDi | meoblast001: who do nvidia think they are ? The best GPU manufacturers around maybe ? </troll> | 00:44 |
| SiDi | They dont release drivers for the sake of industrial secret, that's more than understandable | 00:45 |
| meoblast001 | SiDi: they are the best GPU hardware manufacturers | 00:45 |
| meoblast001 | on the software side, no | 00:45 |
| SiDi | and ati only releases specs, not full drivers either | 00:45 |
| meoblast001 | secrets destroy inovation | 00:45 |
| meoblast001 | how are people to inovate if we all hide things from each other to maximize profits | 00:45 |
| SiDi | and even if their drivers wont support kms/gallium3D for a while, they get the best performances benchmarks | 00:45 |
| SiDi | that's another debate :) | 00:46 |
| meoblast001 | i don't care about performance benchmarks | 00:46 |
| meoblast001 | i care about my freedoms | 00:46 |
| SiDi | if they release their knowledge to their opponents, they lose their technological advance | 00:46 |
| * meoblast001 actually has #gnu on his autojoin list | 00:46 | |
| SiDi | and end up as SiS or similar companies | 00:46 |
| meoblast001 | SiDi: real "work" is releasing your information, and always trying to be better | 00:46 |
| SiDi | use nouveau then :] | 00:46 |
| meoblast001 | ok.. sure.. they can copy off you, but in order to stay advanced, you should make something new up | 00:46 |
| meoblast001 | always trying to get better and better | 00:47 |
| meoblast001 | why does Windows suck? because they don't need to make it better because they know no one's going to use it | 00:47 |
| meoblast001 | false inovation at work right there | 00:47 |
| meoblast001 | s/no one's going to use it/no one's going to stop using it | 00:47 |
| SiDi | i dont think windows / nvidia is the most relevant comparison :p | 00:47 |
| meoblast001 | free software promotes inovation | 00:47 |
| meoblast001 | as long as people keep trying to work (oh no... that's a problem in the world today), no profits will decrease | 00:48 |
| * knome goes to bed | 00:50 | |
| knome | good night. | 00:50 |
| meoblast001 | night knome | 00:50 |
| SiDi | kwwii: http://www.opendesktop.org/content/show.php?content=104935 cleaner on second screen ? | 11:15 |
| kwwii | SiDi: yes, much better | 12:35 |
| SiDi | good :p | 12:35 |
| SiDi | well, the rest is up to you | 12:35 |
| SiDi | as soon as i finished uni i'll grab the whole list of community-themes and try to get proper xfwms for all of these | 12:36 |
| xanax` | hello | 14:56 |
| xanax` | anyone knows what happened to the Face-browser GDM project ? | 14:57 |
| thorwil | xanax`, afaik, it's still on the table, but inclusion has been postponed several times. there might be technical difficulties and the developer is busy with other stuff | 15:00 |
| thorwil | like all that notification stuff | 15:00 |
| kwwii | the new gdm browser relies on us using the gdm2 code | 15:06 |
| kwwii | which is still missing some features we need | 15:07 |
| kwwii | the current plan is try and see what we can get done for karmic | 15:07 |
| kwwii | and definitely have it by +1 | 15:07 |
| xanax` | ok, thank you thorwil. | 15:17 |
| xanax` | (and kwwii) | 15:18 |
| xanax` | :-) | 15:18 |
| xanax` | congratulations to authors of Dust and New Wave themes | 16:12 |
| xanax` | they both look very professional | 16:13 |
| SiDi | Heh | 16:20 |
| SiDi | dashua: ^ | 16:20 |
| * zniavre is away: Occupé | 16:26 | |
| Viper550 | I know this is an odd place to ask, even though it involves artwork, but anyone wish to help with artwork for a bowling related project? | 17:56 |
| xanax` | what's the website url ? | 17:56 |
| Viper550 | well, I'm gonna be setting it up on launchpad | 17:57 |
| Viper550 | basically, linux based scoring system for bowling | 18:05 |
| dashua | SiDi: Sup mate? | 18:10 |
| SiDi | fine, you ? | 18:11 |
| SiDi | you had a fan around there dashua but not sure if hes still logged in :p | 18:12 |
| dashua | Ah nice, building a deck. Just stopped by for lunch. | 18:12 |
| dashua | What is that Carbon theme? An idea for Karmic? | 18:13 |
| SiDi | its a secret project from kwwii :P | 18:14 |
| dashua | Sweet. | 18:15 |
| dashua | My next venture is to base a theme somewhat on the Jaunty GDM, start around 310000 for the palette. | 18:16 |
| dashua | That color looks really nice on glossy screens | 18:16 |
| dashua | Dark purplish brown | 18:16 |
| SiDi | red is sexy yeh | 18:16 |
| SiDi | but not suitable for the eyes on a long time length :P | 18:17 |
| dashua | Yeah, Gilouche style base with dark brown seems to be very easy on mine. | 18:17 |
| dashua | That pretty much where Hanso is now with darker menus | 18:18 |
| dashua | That's* | 18:18 |
| dashua | Other than that I think my work is done as we wait for GNOME 3 | 18:18 |
| * SiDi doesn't wait much for gnome 3 :D | 18:19 | |
| SiDi | if you feel inspired, help knome to get a super sexy blue theme :p | 18:20 |
| dashua | Yeah, Alvaro could head in that direction for a darker / bluish theme | 18:21 |
| SiDi | darker ? | 18:21 |
| SiDi | Your screen must be damn light dashua, cause its already very dark :P | 18:22 |
| dashua | Ha, no if he wanted a darker theme. (Yes, that is dark) ;) | 18:22 |
| dashua | Cool, Banshee trunk works with notify-osd now without a patch. | 18:24 |
| dashua | I have noticed a lot more brown based themes lately. | 18:25 |
| dashua | As we moved from brown, the world begins to embrace it =/ | 18:26 |
| SiDi | yeh true | 18:26 |
| dashua | move away* | 18:26 |
| SiDi | i've been quite surprised to see brown become an usual color for themes, i didnt believe it'd ever happen | 18:26 |
| Viper550 | cause I wanna kill off this plague infesting scoring monitors across my city http://lh3.ggpht.com/_yApw4gLxzGU/SSqy_Ro3vkI/AAAAAAAAHxc/A55iGm53f7w/s800/bowling-score.jpg | 18:27 |
| dashua | Yeah, actually my favorite base if you couldn't tell | 18:27 |
| Viper550 | though the bg isn't always pink, it usually starts off blue | 18:28 |
| dashua | Viper550: Not sure I can help you with bowling software. | 18:32 |
| dashua | SiDi: Back to work, ttyl | 18:32 |
| SiDi | see you dashua | 18:32 |
| SiDi | good luck ! | 18:32 |
| dashua | Thx :) | 18:32 |
| Viper550 | but, http://bowlingtrophy.files.wordpress.com/2008/05/bowling059.jpg this is what I get stuck with at my home lanes (different color scheme, but still) | 18:33 |
| knome | nice colors | 21:11 |
| SiDi | thanks :p theme is from dashua | 21:13 |
| knome | lol, the one on bowlingtrophy? :D | 21:14 |
| SiDi | no, not that thing at all :D | 21:16 |
| SiDi | http://www.ubuntu-art.org/content/show.php/Alvaro?content=104145 & http://xfce-look.org/content/show.php/Alvaro+XFWM+theme?content=104246 | 21:16 |
| knome | right :P | 21:17 |
| knome | as i said earlier, it is not bad, but has some areas which need improvement | 21:17 |
| SiDi | well, feel free to hack it, knome ;) | 21:18 |
| SiDi | i'm not good with editing themes | 21:18 |
| knome | i'd rather get dashua hacking it so we could include the default in xubuntu thus not needing to maintain ;P | 21:18 |
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