[00:19] <kwwii> SiDi: pong
[00:20] <kwwii> the corners are a bit hard on hte buttons
[00:20] <kwwii> but otherwise it looks similar
[00:20] <kwwii> work on the buttons
[00:20] <SiDi> its quite hard actually
[00:20] <SiDi> i resized them via gimp
[00:20] <kwwii> I am going to bed in 5 minutes
[00:21] <kwwii> yeah, it is a bitch
[00:21] <kwwii> I agree
[00:21] <SiDi> the original ones are twice bigger, but the author uses metacity's resizing
[00:21]  * knome starts counting
[00:21] <SiDi> and xfwm doesnt support this :P
[00:21] <kwwii> but learning that will make things different for you
[00:21] <SiDi> if you know any better tool for resizing i'm up for it :p
[00:21] <kwwii> it is a matter of trade-offs
[00:21] <kwwii> and you need to get it right to make things work as best as they can
[00:22] <kwwii> so good luck
[00:22]  * SiDi didnt understand _at all_ :P
[00:22] <kwwii> keep trying
[00:22] <kwwii> it takes time
[00:22] <kwwii> the close button it good
[00:22] <SiDi> its because it was bigger :p
[00:22] <kwwii> but the ratio on the others is a bit too harsh
[00:22] <kwwii> yeah, exactl
[00:22] <kwwii> y
[00:22] <SiDi> i'll resize with photoshop :]
[00:23] <knome> lol
[00:23] <kwwii> so how do you fake that on the others?
[00:23] <SiDi> its just a 50% resize
[00:23] <kwwii> make the dark parts lighter
[00:23] <knome> kwwii, you have two minutes left
[00:23] <SiDi> on _all_ the buttons
[00:23] <knome> ;]
[00:23] <SiDi> i took the metacity files as they were actually
[00:23] <SiDi> nothing tweaked
[00:23] <meoblast001> hi
[00:23] <kwwii> and make extra light grey squares for the rounded corners
[00:24] <SiDi> (well, i added a window bg because xfwm doesnt support transparent bgs and i resized)
[00:24] <meoblast001> by any chance is this the place for ubuntu audio as well as art?
[00:24] <kwwii> if you can draw a line you can draw a square
[00:24] <SiDi> kwwii: i dont think xfwm supports alpha transparency
[00:24] <kwwii> meoblast001: yes, indeed
[00:24] <meoblast001> ok
[00:24] <kwwii> but I am passing out soon
[00:24] <SiDi> meoblast001: no its not :P
[00:24] <SiDi> kwwii: go bed, you seem to needa rest ! :P
[00:24] <kwwii> and I am one of the few who is interested in it :p
[00:24] <meoblast001> one of my biggest issues with Ubuntu is that i feel the themes and sounds don't change enough
[00:25] <meoblast001> i think there needs to be a consistant change
[00:25] <kwwii> knome is keeping track of how much time I have left, no worries :)
[00:25] <SiDi> hahah :D I agree the theme doesnt change enough :D
[00:25] <SiDi> knome: plug his pc off :P
[00:25] <knome> the best way to change that is to start working on it yourself
[00:25] <meoblast001> maybe, every LTS release has a heavily modified GDM, GTK theme, and sound scheme along with the regular background change
[00:25] <knome> kwwii, TIME!
[00:25] <kwwii> meoblast001: I agree that there should be a change, but I think that we need to be very carefull when changing things
[00:25] <meoblast001> i can probably make new sounds
[00:25] <kwwii> and with that, I will piss off
[00:26] <meoblast001> i used to use FL Studio and i was making sounds like crazy
[00:26] <kwwii> meoblast001: put them on the wiki somewhere, or send me an email
[00:26] <SiDi> kwwii: i cant make the borders any better btw P
[00:26] <knome> meoblast001, like shouting "mooo" at the microphone? i'd definitely want that sound scheme.
[00:26] <meoblast001> thing is, only FL 7 works in WINE, and Image-Line doesn't offer FL7 anymore
[00:26] <knome> kwwii, you're overtime
[00:26] <SiDi> kwwii: you're sleeping btw
[00:26] <knome> kwwii, go to sleep :]
[00:27] <knome> SiDi, actually he talked about *going to bed* in 5
[00:27] <knome> not actually sleeping
[00:27] <knome> and he might have a laptop..
[00:27] <meoblast001> i really wish Ubuntu would change colors, but i guess orange is the de facto standard
[00:28] <meoblast001> de facto standard for Ubuntu colors
[00:29] <meoblast001> i'd love a video like this for ubuntu http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_hEZZVYXFsA
[00:30] <knome> i'd change the logo at least
[00:30] <knome> ;]
[00:31] <knome> personally i think it's a bit boring
[00:31] <knome> too long and not really inspirating music
[00:31] <SiDi> i think my bandwidth sucks too much to watch a video
[00:31] <knome> and it seems to show off the new hardware more than vista
[00:32] <knome> like "wow, you can have a mouseless pc"
[00:32] <meoblast001> no... not the hardware
[00:32] <meoblast001> that's what i don't like about the video
[00:32] <meoblast001> i think there needs to be a video like that for Ubuntu that shows off Ubuntu's features
[00:33] <knome> offtopic: i hate people with this kind of attitude: "ya i know YouTube as been riding my ass about copyright because its most of what i post lol"
[00:33] <knome> "lol noob there is reason for copyrights lol?"
[00:34] <meoblast001> i agree with RMS that the copyright length needs to be shortened to 10 years
[00:34] <knome> that's a different thing
[00:34] <meoblast001> it's hard to make large profits on direct sales of a work after 3 years anyway
[00:34] <knome> i'm not saying everything even should have the copyright as we know it now
[00:34] <knome> but that attitude just irritates me
[00:35] <meoblast001> i thought up a cool idea that, if i ever made my own distro, i would put it in that, but i think it'd be best to submit it to branstorm for ubuntu
[00:35] <meoblast001> something in the installer that dumps lshw into a file
[00:36] <meoblast001> and then checks it's data against a good/bad list of hardware
[00:36] <meoblast001> and says whether A) a device is fully compatible with Ubuntu B) proprietary drivers will be needed or C) not compatible at all
[00:36] <knome> not a bad idea at all
[00:36] <knome> i'm bleeding.
[00:36] <meoblast001> knome: ha
[00:37] <meoblast001> get a bandage
[00:37] <knome> i have
[00:37] <meoblast001> knome: i think the idea would be easy to implement
[00:37] <meoblast001> knome: i'm not even a great programmer and i think i could do that
[00:37] <knome> the only thing needed would be a hw list
[00:37] <knome> and an internet connection to connect to it
[00:37] <meoblast001> yes.... and that could be created with user input
[00:37] <meoblast001> knome: it would be necessary that a local list exist too
[00:37] <knome> yes
[00:38] <meoblast001> but it should ask the user whether he/she wants to use the local or get it from online
[00:38] <knome> but what if the user has no internet devices that are supported?
[00:38] <knome> nope, should not ask.
[00:38] <meoblast001> knome: i wanted, at one time, to make a distro that is as compatible as Debian but easy to use as Ubuntu
[00:38] <knome> use internet if possible
[00:38] <meoblast001> i half way gave up on that :(
[00:38] <knome> but if not, then use local copy
[00:38] <meoblast001> knome: yes
[00:39] <knome> mmm... i like blood
[00:39] <knome> it's the third time this week when my nose bleeds
[00:39] <knome> second time today
[00:40] <meoblast001> knome: i cut myself up when i built my mom her computer
[00:40] <knome> ouch
[00:40] <meoblast001> i get the feeling she's starting to want Windows
[00:40] <knome> failure
[00:41] <knome> lol
[00:41] <meoblast001> our camera doesn't work on it
[00:41] <meoblast001> i wanted to file a bug tonight
[00:41] <meoblast001> my dad was ticked at me when i installed it
[00:41] <meoblast001> for some reason, magically, only I have completely Ubuntu compatible hardware
[00:41] <meoblast001> well.. my mom's is too because i made sure of it
[00:42]  * meoblast001 hates Broadcom
[00:42] <knome> hah
[00:42] <meoblast001> i think Nouveau is an amazing project
[00:42] <meoblast001> i hate nVidia drivers
[00:42] <meoblast001> who do they think they are.... trying to tie chains to people looking for freedom
[00:42] <knome> ;)
[00:43] <SiDi> meoblast001: it wouldnt be that easy
[00:43] <meoblast001> for nVidia to make theirs free?
[00:43] <knome> atm i have no problems with even propietary drivers if they work.
[00:43] <meoblast001> they could make two drivers
[00:43] <SiDi> on each kernel / hal / acpi update you'd have to check the WHOLE list of hardware
[00:43] <SiDi> there'd be errors and false positives
[00:43] <meoblast001> sure, the proprietary drivers would perform better
[00:43] <meoblast001> because S3TC is a patented, proprietary piece of software
[00:44] <meoblast001> but screw it... i'd rather have free drivers than S3TC
[00:44] <meoblast001> we need libsfreetc
[00:44] <meoblast001> :P
[00:44] <SiDi> meoblast001: who do nvidia think they are ? The best GPU manufacturers around maybe ? </troll>
[00:45] <SiDi> They dont release drivers for the sake of industrial secret, that's more than understandable
[00:45] <meoblast001> SiDi: they are the best GPU hardware manufacturers
[00:45] <meoblast001> on the software side, no
[00:45] <SiDi> and ati only releases specs, not full drivers either
[00:45] <meoblast001> secrets destroy inovation
[00:45] <meoblast001> how are people to inovate if we all hide things from each other to maximize profits
[00:45] <SiDi> and even if their drivers wont support kms/gallium3D for a while, they get the best performances benchmarks
[00:46] <SiDi> that's another debate :)
[00:46] <meoblast001> i don't care about performance benchmarks
[00:46] <meoblast001> i care about my freedoms
[00:46] <SiDi> if they release their knowledge to their opponents, they lose their technological advance
[00:46]  * meoblast001 actually has #gnu on his autojoin list
[00:46] <SiDi> and end up as SiS or similar companies
[00:46] <meoblast001> SiDi: real "work" is releasing your information, and always trying to be better
[00:46] <SiDi> use nouveau then :]
[00:46] <meoblast001> ok.. sure.. they can copy off you, but in order to stay advanced, you should make something new up
[00:47] <meoblast001> always trying to get better and better
[00:47] <meoblast001> why does Windows suck? because they don't need to make it better because they know no one's going to use it
[00:47] <meoblast001> false inovation at work right there
[00:47] <meoblast001> s/no one's going to use it/no one's going to stop using it
[00:47] <SiDi> i dont think windows / nvidia is the most relevant comparison :p
[00:47] <meoblast001> free software promotes inovation
[00:48] <meoblast001> as long as people keep trying to work (oh no... that's a problem in the world today), no profits will decrease
[00:50]  * knome goes to bed
[00:50] <knome> good night.
[00:50] <meoblast001> night knome
[11:15] <SiDi> kwwii: http://www.opendesktop.org/content/show.php?content=104935 cleaner on second screen ?
[12:35] <kwwii> SiDi: yes, much better
[12:35] <SiDi> good :p
[12:35] <SiDi> well, the rest is up to you
[12:36] <SiDi> as soon as i finished uni i'll grab the whole list of community-themes and try to get proper xfwms for all of these
[14:56] <xanax`> hello
[14:57] <xanax`> anyone knows what happened to the Face-browser GDM project ?
[15:00] <thorwil> xanax`, afaik, it's still on the table, but inclusion has been postponed several times. there might be technical difficulties and the developer is busy with other stuff
[15:00] <thorwil> like all that notification stuff
[15:06] <kwwii> the new gdm browser relies on us using the gdm2 code
[15:07] <kwwii> which is still missing some features we need
[15:07] <kwwii> the current plan is try and see what we can get done for karmic
[15:07] <kwwii> and definitely have it by +1
[15:17] <xanax`> ok, thank you thorwil.
[15:18] <xanax`> (and kwwii)
[15:18] <xanax`> :-)
[16:12] <xanax`> congratulations to authors of Dust and New Wave themes
[16:13] <xanax`> they both look very professional
[16:20] <SiDi> Heh
[16:20] <SiDi> dashua: ^
[16:26]  * zniavre is away: Occupé
[17:56] <Viper550> I know this is an odd place to ask, even though it involves artwork, but anyone wish to help with artwork for a bowling related project?
[17:56] <xanax`> what's the website url ?
[17:57] <Viper550> well, I'm gonna be setting it up on launchpad
[18:05] <Viper550> basically, linux based scoring system for bowling
[18:10] <dashua> SiDi: Sup mate?
[18:11] <SiDi> fine, you ?
[18:12] <SiDi> you had a fan around there dashua but not sure if hes still logged in :p
[18:12] <dashua> Ah nice, building a deck.  Just stopped by for lunch.
[18:13] <dashua> What is that Carbon theme?  An idea for Karmic?
[18:14] <SiDi> its a secret project from kwwii :P
[18:15] <dashua> Sweet.
[18:16] <dashua> My next venture is to base a theme somewhat on the Jaunty GDM, start around 310000 for the palette.
[18:16] <dashua> That color looks really nice on glossy screens
[18:16] <dashua> Dark purplish brown
[18:16] <SiDi> red is sexy yeh
[18:17] <SiDi> but not suitable for the eyes on a long time length :P
[18:17] <dashua> Yeah, Gilouche style base with dark brown seems to be very easy on mine.
[18:18] <dashua> That pretty much where Hanso is now with darker menus
[18:18] <dashua> That's*
[18:18] <dashua> Other than that I think my work is done as we wait for GNOME 3
[18:19]  * SiDi doesn't wait much for gnome 3 :D
[18:20] <SiDi> if you feel inspired, help knome to get a super sexy blue theme :p
[18:21] <dashua> Yeah, Alvaro could head in that direction for a darker / bluish theme
[18:21] <SiDi> darker ?
[18:22] <SiDi> Your screen must be damn light dashua, cause its already very dark :P
[18:22] <dashua> Ha, no if he wanted a darker theme.  (Yes, that is dark) ;)
[18:24] <dashua> Cool, Banshee trunk works with notify-osd now without a patch.
[18:25] <dashua> I have noticed a lot more brown based themes lately.
[18:26] <dashua> As we moved from brown, the world begins to embrace it =/
[18:26] <SiDi> yeh true
[18:26] <dashua> move away*
[18:26] <SiDi> i've been quite surprised to see brown become an usual color for themes, i didnt believe it'd ever happen
[18:27] <Viper550> cause I wanna kill off this plague infesting scoring monitors across my city http://lh3.ggpht.com/_yApw4gLxzGU/SSqy_Ro3vkI/AAAAAAAAHxc/A55iGm53f7w/s800/bowling-score.jpg
[18:27] <dashua> Yeah, actually my favorite base if you couldn't tell
[18:28] <Viper550> though the bg isn't always pink, it usually starts off blue
[18:32] <dashua> Viper550: Not sure I can help you with bowling software.
[18:32] <dashua> SiDi: Back to work, ttyl
[18:32] <SiDi> see you dashua
[18:32] <SiDi> good luck !
[18:32] <dashua> Thx :)
[18:33] <Viper550> but, http://bowlingtrophy.files.wordpress.com/2008/05/bowling059.jpg this is what I get stuck with at my home lanes (different color scheme, but still)
[21:11] <knome> nice colors
[21:13] <SiDi> thanks :p theme is from dashua
[21:14] <knome> lol, the one on bowlingtrophy? :D
[21:16] <SiDi> no, not that thing at all :D
[21:16] <SiDi> http://www.ubuntu-art.org/content/show.php/Alvaro?content=104145 & http://xfce-look.org/content/show.php/Alvaro+XFWM+theme?content=104246
[21:17] <knome> right :P
[21:17] <knome> as i said earlier, it is not bad, but has some areas which need improvement
[21:18] <SiDi> well, feel free to hack it, knome ;)
[21:18] <SiDi> i'm not good with editing themes
[21:18] <knome> i'd rather get dashua hacking it so we could include the default in xubuntu thus not needing to maintain ;P