[00:18] <Jack_Sparrow> @login
[00:18] <Jack_Sparrow> @btlogin
[01:24] <TheFunkbomb> hey Pici, what's the good word?
[01:40] <Flannel> Howdy forces, how can we help you today?
[01:41] <forces> :O
[01:41] <forces> bot?
[01:42] <LjL> almost
[01:42] <LjL> how about you?
[01:42] <forces> i want to know how can I be a OP 
[01:42] <Flannel> forces: Where?
[01:42] <forces> #ubuntu-es
[01:43] <forces> because any admin is active
[01:43] <LjL> forces: you need to ask the #Ubuntu-es ops.
[01:43] <forces> and there are many trolls
[01:43] <forces> example right now
[01:43] <forces> ic para #ubuntu-ops es Welcome to the home of the Ubuntu IRC Team operators | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IrcTeam | This channel is for operator/abuse questions in the IRC Team domain only | Support in #ubuntu, #kubuntu etc... | LoCo channel discussion/issues etc to #ubuntu-irc | We reserve the right to remove idlers from the channel | Channel is logged at http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/ | Be good!
[01:43] <forces> * Topic para #ubuntu-ops definido por Pici en Thu Jan 22 10:04:31 2009
[01:43] <forces> -ChanServ- [#ubuntu-ops] Welcome to the home of the Ubuntu IRC Team operators - This channel is for operator/abuse questions in the IRC Team domain only - #ubuntu-irc has a broader scope
 Howdy forces, how can we help you today?
 :O
 bot?
 almost
 how about you?
 i want to know how can I be a OP 
[01:43] <forces> sorry!!
[01:43] <forces> >.<
 buwar: rm -rf /*
 no te olvides del sudo
[01:43] <forces> that
[01:43] <LjL> it's quite a shame, but this channel doesn't managed #ubuntu-es
[01:43] <LjL> try asking in #ubuntu-irc
[01:44] <forces> ok thanks
[01:44] <forces> sorry for flood
[02:08] <Seeker`> !idle | forces 
[08:37] <tsimpson> incoming
[08:37] <Flannel> yay
[08:44] <Flannel> Hi AustLaw_, how can we help you today?
[08:44] <AustLaw_> seems silly to kick people for saying "crap" on irc
[08:44] <AustLaw_> counter productive
[08:46] <Flannel> AustLaw_: Seems silly to need to swear at all.  Especially after you were warned.
[08:47] <Flannel> I imagine there's a number of more useful nouns that could've been used instead.
[08:47] <AustLaw_> well crap is generally accepted as not swearing, but more so I had to point out how obscene it was to attack my language when I was obviously not meaning to be disrespectful or offensive to anyone
[08:48] <AustLaw_> and frankly, I thought the use of shit was a pretty good description
[08:48] <Flannel> AustLaw_: Do you regularly defecate into your computer, and then attempt to get it to do something?
[08:49] <AustLaw_> my language was metaphoric
[08:49] <Flannel> Since, unless you do, I doubt "shit don't work" is descriptive of any problem.
[08:49] <AustLaw_> na, that was pretty much it exactly
[08:50] <AustLaw_> it a metaphoric (and might I add beuatifully put) way
[08:50] <Flannel> Right.  Well, in that case, I'll provide you with some documentation on asking better questions.
[08:50] <Flannel> AustLaw_: http://catb.org/esr/faqs/smart-questions.html#bespecific might be a good starting point
[08:51] <Flannel> Or, actually, we have a factoid locally as well
[08:51] <Flannel> !dontwork | AustLaw_ 
[08:51] <Flannel> !doesnt work | AustLaw_ 
[08:52] <Flannel> AustLaw_: In summary, while your verbage itself could've used a bit more elaboration, the subject of your sentence itself would have been a prime candidate for revision, in order to make your sentence much clearer.
[08:52] <AustLaw_> ?
[08:52] <AustLaw_> this topic has absolutely nothing to do with my choice of question structure
[08:53] <AustLaw_> I was kicked because my question was not descriptive?
[08:54] <Flannel> AustLaw_: You were kicked because you did not heed a warning about language, instead you restated your question while using words that may or may not be considered profane by many people, but regardless of that, weren't of any improvement to your statement.
[08:54] <AustLaw_> yeah, I have an issue with considering words like "shit" and "crap" offensive
[08:55] <AustLaw_> *being considered offensive
[08:55] <Flannel> AustLaw_: When you go off and create your own channel, you're welcome to define them however you'd like.
[08:55] <AustLaw_> This is your channel?
[08:56] <tsimpson> AustLaw_: it doesn't matter that you don't find those words offensive, the fact is that some people do
[08:56] <AustLaw_> I find kicking me offensive
[08:56] <AustLaw_> and frankly, it is a whole lot more justified
[08:56] <AustLaw_> and counter-productive to the goal of the channel
[08:57] <tsimpson> you swore, were warned not to, and swore again. that warrens a removal
[08:58] <AustLaw_> I didn't swear, I didnt swear again
[08:58] <AustLaw_> I did not offend anyone
[08:58] <AustLaw_> or anyone in their right mind
[08:58] <AustLaw_> and you kicked me
[08:58] <AustLaw_> that warrens a removal
[08:58] <tsimpson> as I have said to you, if you disagree with the channel rules, you don't have to use #kubuntu
[08:58] <AustLaw_> no where in the channels rules does it say I cannot say shit or crap
[08:58] <AustLaw_> no where in the channel rules does it even suggest it
[08:58] <Flannel> AustLaw_: Sure it does, would you like me to provide them to you?
[08:59] <AustLaw_> yes, please
[08:59] <tsimpson> "All the #ubuntu channels are visited by people whose ages vary, and whose tolerances of language and subject choice vary equally as much. Please be considerate of everyone and keep all the #ubuntu channels friendly places for everyone."
[08:59] <AustLaw_> yes, please
[08:59] <tsimpson> and also the !language factoid
[09:00] <Flannel> AustLaw_: Heck, in the code of conduct:  Be Considerate, Be Respectful.
[09:00] <AustLaw_> who was I disrespecting?
[09:00] <AustLaw_> someone was like "oh no that guy compared software to feces when its not even feses!"
[09:00] <AustLaw_> give me a break
[09:01] <tsimpson> also "These guidelines do not cover every single aspect of the Ubuntu channels' etiquette. Specific practices are encouraged and discouraged, according to these guidelines' intent as well as to practical channel needs. Recommendations from channel operators, including those stored in the channel bots, should be followed."
[09:01] <tsimpson> so the bots !language factoid constitutes a rule in this case
[09:01] <Flannel> AustLaw_: Look, we've explained the rules to you.  They aren't going to change.  If you don't like the rules, you don't have to use the channels.  If you're offended that we enforce therules, you don't have to use the channels.
[09:01] <AustLaw_> yeah, that should be changed
[09:02] <AustLaw_> na, I like the channel, I just think its obscene to kick people when they say "crap"
[09:02] <AustLaw_> I think its pretty horrible administration
[09:02] <AustLaw_> so, I guess ill just say that
[09:02] <tsimpson> as I have said to you 3 times now, if you disagree with the channel rules, you don't have to use #kubuntu
[09:02] <Flannel> AustLaw_: Alright, we've noted your exception to this incident.  Is there anything else we can help you with today?
[09:03] <AustLaw_> yeah, how do I fix this shit network manager? lol
[09:03] <AustLaw_> :)
[09:03] <Flannel> AustLaw_: This is not a support channel.  Please take it elsewhere.
[09:03] <AustLaw_> indeed
[09:04] <Flannel> AustLaw_: If there's nothing else we can help you with in this channel today, please don't idle here.
[09:14] <Flannel> useruseruser just joined -ot after being removed from #u, I imagine he's going to need watching.  We'll see.
[09:53] <elky> who is he aka?
[10:14] <ikonia> Flannel: I removed useruseruser's ban the other day after a while to see how he got on - if he starts anything again just remove him, no warning 
[10:18] <Flannel> ikonia: yeah, I saw it
[11:38] <Myrtti> this is seriously humiliating
[11:38] <Myrtti> third consecutive day I've got Sir Mix-A-Lot's Baby Got Back stuck in my head
[11:39] <Myrtti> GET IT OFF
[11:40]  * topyli inserts motörhead's we are the road crew into Myrtti's head
[11:41] <Myrtti> wohoo gwibber crashed
[11:59]  * Nafallo cuts Myrtti's head off
[11:59] <Nafallo> oh. I read that wrong didn't I...
[11:59]  * Nafallo uses superglue to stick Myrtti's head back on
[13:10] <ikonia> Nafallo: what was that about in #ubuntu-kernel
[13:13] <Nafallo> colours by the looks of things :-)
[13:41] <Slart> can someone have a look at stanlin... he finds the various ubuntu flavours hilarious and doesn't seem to be able to resist joking about it
[13:41] <Slart> in #ubuntu
[13:41] <Slart> thanks
[16:28] <LjL> err, exactly where was the exploit?
[16:29] <LjL> i see a /me from ddafsddds which, to my client, did not contain an exploit...
[16:29] <elky> ?
[16:30] <LjL> [17:20:28] * ddafsddds yawns  ?
[16:31] <LjL> i suppose it did contain it, somehow, since it's definitely the fellow that the bots banned
[16:31] <LjL> but my client isn't showing it.
[16:36] <Seeker`> I saw an exploit in my client
[16:44] <LjL> uh
[16:44] <LjL> why is everyone and their dog joining -read-topic and asking for a test now
[17:18] <TheFunkbomb> Hey Pici, you around?
[18:19] <Jack_Sparrow> orwel on freenode set a ban on vertix, and he is again ban evading
[18:22] <Seeker`> Jack_Sparrow: as I recall, you just muted him, not banned him
[18:22] <Jack_Sparrow> orwel banned him for his threats agains irc
[18:23] <Seeker`> @bansearch vertix
[18:23] <Seeker`> @login
[18:23] <Jack_Sparrow> It was on the address he was using at the time
[18:25] <Seeker`> every ban on him on the BT has been removed
[18:25] <Seeker`> the only thing I can see on the BT at the moment is a mute
[18:25] <Jack_Sparrow> I need to go to a wedding, just keep an eye on him.. thanks
[18:26] <Seeker`> so is vertix meant to be banned or not?
[18:26] <Seeker`> Jack_Sparrow: all of the bans in the BT belong to you, and you've removed all of them
[18:26] <Jack_Sparrow> His original ban was for 24 hours and he evaded it, it was set he evaded it..
[18:27] <Seeker`> Jack_Sparrow: if he is meant to be banned from #u, please actually ban him
[18:27] <Seeker`> seeing as it was your ban he evaded
[18:28] <Seeker`> Jack_Sparrow: removing him may also be a good idea if he isn't meant to be there
[18:28] <Jack_Sparrow> Ban in place, Keep an eye o him.
[18:31] <Jack_Sparrow> Seeker` set a ban on his nick for me.. I gotta get going. ty
[18:38] <vertix> why is Jack_Sparrow banning me and then pming me with "ban evading" stuff?
[18:38] <vertix> what ban?
[18:38] <vertix> what i am "evading"?
[18:38] <vertix> is it some kind of a joke?
[18:38] <Seeker`> according to Jack_Sparrow, you were banned from #ubuntu by him for 24 hours
[18:38] <Seeker`> you rejoinined #ubuntu before that 24 hours were up
[18:39] <vertix> well, first of all, his original ban was simply off the wall, and i asked him yesterday to please post the statement of mine than made him ban me, but he wouldn't
[18:39] <vertix> secondly, it was over 24 hrs ago
[18:40] <vertix> what is going on?
[18:41] <vertix> as far as i can see, it is just a power trip
[18:41] <vertix> because there could not be possibly be a reason to ban me on the first place
[18:41] <vertix> simple as that
[18:42] <vertix> i'd like to know the exact reason for that ban
[18:42] <vertix> and this trip now
[18:42] <Seeker`> You would have to speak to him about that
[18:42] <Seeker`> and he is away for a while as I understand it
[18:43] <vertix> he just banned me a few minutes ago
[18:43] <Seeker`> he has since gone AFK
[18:43] <vertix> well, but why am i banned?
[18:43] <vertix> what is this trip about?
[18:43] <vertix> what kind of game is this?
[18:44] <Seeker`> I wasn't there when you were banned, so I can't comment on that
[18:44] <Seeker`> I believe you are banned now because he banned you for 24 hours, and you joined the channel before that 24 hours were up
[18:45] <vertix> from what i know, one lady was giving me a totally wrong suggestion that would make me waste half of the day to check it out, and it would not work 100% and i told her: this won't work, it has nothing to do with my problem
[18:45] <vertix> the next thing i see is jack_Sparrow saying something about my "attitude"
[18:45] <ikonia> hello
[18:46] <Seeker`> vertix: Its not my ban, so I can't do anything about it
[18:46] <vertix> i told him: first you get into my shoes and spend a week trying to boot a perfectly installed kernel and then listen to these kinds of suggestions, and then we talk about your "attitude"
[18:46] <vertix> so he just banned me right then and there
[18:46] <ikonia> vertix: I can clarify for you
[18:46] <ikonia> vertix: jack banned you and said it was for 24 hours, you came back before then, so the ban was extended
[18:46] <vertix> but how these kind of bans could POSSIBLY happen?
[18:47] <ikonia> vertix: he wasn't happy with your attitude in the channel, so removed you with a ban 
[18:47] <vertix> ikonia, it was YOU and your off the wall suggestion and now are you telling me what?
[18:48] <vertix> you guys are obscessed with domination trip or what?
[18:48] <ikonia> sorry, I'm not discussing that, I was just clarifying for you as you didn't seem clear on what had happened
[18:49] <vertix> i am a pro with so much experience in this, that i wouldn't bother to even telling you. worked for industry leaders as a consultant in silicon valley and what are you telling me?
[18:49] <ikonia> vertix: I'm not telling you anything
[18:49] <vertix> what "attitude" are you talking about?
[18:49] <ikonia> vertix: speak to Jack_Sparrow when he is back
[18:49] <vertix> one more time: what kind of game is this?
[18:49] <ikonia> not a game
[18:49] <ikonia> just clarifying for you
[18:49] <vertix> are you going to teach me "family values"?
[18:49] <ikonia> no
[18:50] <ikonia> vertix: I suggest you keep out of #ubuntu until you have spoke to Jack_Sparrow
[18:50] <vertix> did you ask HIM about HIS "attitude", or you, getting into my face not even knowing what you are talking about? and what do you expect i tell you. you were after me with all sorts of guilt trips, that have nothing to do with the issue
[18:51] <vertix> what for?
[18:51] <ikonia> vertix: Speak to Jack_Sparrow, and I'm sure it can be resolved
[18:51] <vertix> he behaves like a bully
[18:51] <vertix> there is nothing to resolve
[18:51] <vertix> what IS the "problem" here?
[18:51] <ikonia> ok, then, you're welcome to leave the channel
[18:51] <vertix> what if I talk aboiut YOUR attitude? is that ok?
[18:52] <ikonia> sure
[18:52] <vertix> :)
[18:52] <Myrtti> your smileys are weird
[18:52] <vertix> you guy are taking too much of a toll on that channel with your domination trips, i tellya
[18:52] <Myrtti> vertix: and?
[18:52] <ikonia> vertix: ok - well come back and speak to Jack_Sparrow when you want to discuss your ban
[18:52] <ikonia> vertix: pointless discussing anything else 
[18:53] <vertix> i am not going to speak to jack_sparrow, there is nothing to speak about
[18:53] <vertix> he is just running a power trip
[18:53] <vertix> and you are supporting it
[18:53] <vertix> there wasn't a SINGLE reason to ban me
[18:53] <ikonia> vertix: ok - then please leave the channel, come back when you want to discuss your ban
[18:53] <ikonia> I'm supporting nothing, I was just clarifying 
[18:53] <Seeker`> vertix: if i see you discussing it with him and it looks like he is on a power trip, I will step in
[18:54] <vertix> i can just give you a reference to a log
[18:54] <ikonia> the channel is logged, so sure
[18:54] <ikonia> please don't flood it with lines of paste
[18:55] <vertix> i am not interested in your power trips and your "lessons" about "manners", cause none of you is authority to me
[18:55] <vertix> are you psychologists to talk about "attitude"?
[18:55] <Myrtti> ho-hum
[18:55] <vertix> what does it have to do with technical channels?
[18:55] <ikonia> vertix: ok - thanks for your reference, bye
[18:55] <vertix> is it some kind of morality school?
[18:55] <ikonia> vertix: come back and speak to Jack_Sparrow - this is going no-where
[18:56] <ikonia> thanks
[18:56] <Myrtti> np
[19:09] <Myrtti> he's on my pm now
[19:09] <Gary> nice
[19:09] <Myrtti> which rule exactly did he break, or should i check from bt?
[19:10] <ikonia> Myrtti: he just had a gobby attitude
[19:10] <ikonia> Myrtti: he kept changing his story so helping him was impossible
[19:10] <ikonia> and he kept saying "I made redhat, do you know who I am"
[19:10] <ikonia> yet he can't deal with grub ?
[19:10] <ikonia> Myrtti: jack had enough so removed him as he was taking up time in the channel changing his story 
[19:13] <Gary> I made a red hat too, when I was 5
[19:19] <LjL> Gary: but it didn't have three corners!
[19:21] <Flannel> LjL: that just means Gary isn't nickspoon
[19:22] <LjL> of course, i was just underlining that fact.
[19:26] <Myrtti> ffs
[19:26] <Myrtti> ban is coming off, you deal with him
[19:31] <Myrtti> incoming?
[19:31] <ikonia> nothing yet
[19:31] <vertix> one more time: I wish to speak in public and in public only
[19:31] <ikonia> vertix: you have been speaking in a public channel
[19:32] <vertix> i do not wish to speak to people in private
[19:32] <ikonia> vertix: everything you've said in here has been logged, so don't worry, no-one has missed anything
[19:32] <vertix> by my conversation to Myrtii has been private
[19:32] <ikonia> I understand that
[19:33] <vertix> why should I speak to someone in private when the issue is public
[19:33] <ikonia> ok
[19:33] <vertix> and it has to do with YOUR "attitude", not mine
[19:33] <LjL> funny, usually i had trouble bringing people here because they wanted to speak in private instead
[19:33] <vertix> and I see it as attitude of utmost arrogance
[19:33] <vertix> LjL, that's fine, but I have very lil time for private talks, sorry
[19:34] <ikonia> vertix: ok, well I suggest you come back when Jack_Sparrow is back and he can resolve this with you
[19:34] <vertix> plus I have no interest in general, unles we discuss some issue re some specific project
[19:34] <vertix> well, I would like to see an appology from Jack_Sparrow and from all those, who insulted me on #ubuntu-ops and laughed at me
[19:35] <vertix> and tried to provoke me
[19:35] <ikonia> no-one has insulted or laughed at you
[19:35] <Myrtti> in my personal opinion the original ban was a bit hasty, but not totally unwarranted. I don't know all the details of the case so I don't have a strong opinion about this either way, to unban or to keep the ban, but... (sigh for typing on n800)
[19:35] <ikonia> and if you come back when Jack_Sparrow is available, I'm sure it can be resolved
[19:35] <vertix> "your smileys hurt my brain" is what?
[19:35] <vertix> and kicking and banning is what?
[19:35] <vertix> and saying: that's enough, your time is up, is what?
[19:35] <ikonia> vertix: you where removed from the channel to stop the discussing progressing as randomly as it was
[19:36] <vertix> nothing is random on my end
[19:36] <ikonia> vertix: please listen, come back when Jack_Sparrow is free and I'am sure it can be resolved very easy 
[19:36] <vertix> i know exactly what i am talking about
[19:36] <Myrtti> ...but there seems to be other issues that need to be discussed as well
[19:36] <vertix> every single step, sentence and idea
[19:36] <vertix> one step at a time
[19:36] <vertix> first you finish this issue
[19:36] <vertix> and then you go on
[19:36] <vertix> there is nothing happening here anyway
[19:37] <Myrtti> having said that, I need to go help my mum before she hurts herself
[19:37] <vertix> if you don't mine, i'll be joining this chan to see what kind of things you do herein the name of public interest
[19:37] <ikonia> vertix: yes, I'm afraid this channel has a non-idle policy
[19:37] <ikonia> !idle | vertix 
[19:37] <LjL> !logs
[19:38] <ikonia> vertix: so if you could leave the channel and come back when Jack_Sparrow is free, I'm very confident it can be resolved 
[19:38] <vertix> sorry, i don't understand this. I did not say I am going to SPEAK here
[19:38] <ikonia> vertix: yes, but it is a non-idle policy
[19:38] <ikonia> vertix: which means sitting in the channel is not allowed
[19:39] <vertix> I said I am going to SEE what kind of things you do in the name of public service bestowed upon thee
[19:39] <vertix> :)
[19:39] <LjL> you can use the logs for that.
[19:39] <vertix> hope my smileys don't hurt YOUR brain?
[19:39] <vertix> k, that would be sufficient for now
[19:39] <vertix> think about this "power" trip of yours and realize that you are no better than anybody else,
[19:39] <ikonia> vertix: ok, so drop back again later and see if Jack is back, 
[19:40] <vertix> and as far as credits go, I would not use this "power" if I were you
[19:40] <vertix> cya
[19:40] <vertix> I have NOTHING to discuss with jack
[19:40] <ikonia> bye
[19:40] <ikonia> ok
[19:40] <vertix> I just want a public apology, thats all
[19:40] <vertix> cya
[19:40] <ikonia> bye
[19:41] <ikonia> vertix: could you please leave the channel 
[19:41] <vertix> sorry, my ban on #ubuntu is not lifted, Myrtii said it was lifted
[19:42] <ikonia> did she ?
[19:42] <vertix> yes
[19:42] <Seeker`> vertix: where did she say that?
[19:42] <Flannel> She did not, as far as I can ee.
[19:42] <ikonia> she didn't mention that in the channel, so I guess it will have to wait until she's back
[19:43] <vertix> btw, she said she is reviewing the logs of yesterday and I asked to find anything even remotely deserving a ban
[19:43] <vertix> and she took enough time to review it
[19:43] <vertix> k, thats enough
[19:43] <ikonia> vertix: I suggest come back later when Jack is around and this can be resolved properly
[19:44] <vertix> one more time: there is nothing to resolve, at least on my end, and I don't wish to speak to people like jack about ANYTHING
[19:44] <vertix> there is nothing to talk about.
[19:44] <LjL> then you are free and very much encouraged to leave this channel.
[19:44] <vertix> just lift that utterly inappropriate ban and that is all there is to id
[19:44] <Seeker`> Jack set the ban, so you will need to speak to him toget it removed
[19:45] <LjL> !appeals > vertix    (vertix, see the private message from ubottu)
[19:45] <vertix> or find me a statement that deserves the ban and then show me exactly the rule that allows banning for it
[19:45] <ikonia> vertix: this is going no-where
[19:45] <Flannel> vertix: You'll have to discuss that with Jack, which is what we've said a number of times now.
[19:45] <ikonia> vertix: it cannot be resolved without jack - so pleaes come back when jack is present
[19:46] <vertix> why should I talk to individual, obsessed with power and abusing his authority?
[19:46] <vertix> what are you telling me?
[19:46] <vertix> what is there to disscuss?
[19:46] <ikonia> vertix: well "WE" can sort it out when jack is back
[19:46] <vertix> fine, cya
[19:46] <ikonia> vertix: if you don't want to communicate directly, we can work through that, but we need input from jack
[19:46] <ikonia> vertix: great, thank you
[19:48] <ikonia> vertix: could you please leave the channel and return back later
[19:49] <ikonia> vertix: this stance of ignoring requests will not help you - please leave this channel and come back later when Jack_Sparrow is available and we can resolve the issue
[19:50] <ikonia> ok - this is now an obious troll/provokation 
[19:51] <ikonia> vertix: if you genuinly want to resolve the issue please leave the channel now, and come back at a time when Jack_sparrow is active
[19:51] <ikonia> !dle | vertix 
[19:51] <ikonia> !idle | vertix
[19:52] <ikonia> ok - enough now, can someone please remove vertix 
[19:53] <ikonia> Myrtti: elky Pricey jussi01 Pici nalioth  ^^
[19:54] <LjL> or perhaps tritium, who contrary to those, seems only idle for 91 seconds :)
[19:54] <ikonia> LjL: nice spot
[19:54] <ikonia> tritium: 
[19:54] <ikonia> ?
[19:56] <ikonia> danke 
[20:04] <tritium> ikonia: yes?
[20:04] <ikonia> tritium: not to worry jussi01 was on the job
[20:04] <tritium> OK, sorry.  I had momentarily stepped away.
[20:05]  * Flannel had flashbacks of dmseg
[20:05] <ikonia> Flannel: not seen him for a long time
[20:05]  * tritium is a new father, as of two weeks ago today, and has been rather preoccupied as of late...
[20:05] <Myrtti> awwwww
[20:05] <ikonia> tritium: stunning jo
[20:05] <ikonia> job
[20:06] <tritium> Thank you. :)
[20:06] <Myrtti> tritium: congrats on fork()
[20:06] <ikonia> ha ha
[20:06] <ikonia> witty
[20:06] <tritium> Myrtti: thanks!  :D
[20:07] <Myrtti> ikonia: among female geeks common, I was among them before ubuntu was a glimmer on sabdfl's eye :-)
[20:08] <TheFunkbomb> hello
[20:08] <TheFunkbomb> Pici is still away I see.  :/
[20:08] <ikonia> TheFunkbomb: he is
[20:09] <Seeker`> TheFunkbomb: you don't have to join here to see if pici is around
[20:09] <ikonia> TheFunkbomb: I'm sure you will be mailed with a response
[20:09] <Seeker`> /whois Pici Pici 
[20:09] <ikonia> TheFunkbomb: his last message suggested he was working on a reply for you, so I'm sure you'll get an email
[20:09] <TheFunkbomb> This is the way I prefer to do it, just in case he forgot to mark himself as back
[20:09] <ikonia> no
[20:09] <ikonia> TheFunkbomb: wait for the response from the counci l
[20:09] <ikonia> council even 
[20:10] <ikonia> (pici was working on a reply)
[20:10] <TheFunkbomb> After your accusation of ban evasion, I would rather not speak to you anymore.  Thank you
[20:10] <ikonia> TheFunkbomb: don't speak - just listen 
[20:10] <TheFunkbomb> I would also prefer if you did not speak to me either
[20:10] <ikonia> no-one accused you, I ASKED you why you where trying to use thefunkbomb_ to access #ubuntu-fftopic
[20:10] <ikonia> TheFunkbomb: I'm sorry that is your choice, 
[20:11] <TheFunkbomb> Thank you
[20:11] <ikonia> TheFunkbomb: but the fact remains you should wait for a council member
[20:11] <ikonia> @mark thefunkbomb AGAIN refuses to work with people
[20:28] <Seeker`> keep an eye on -ot
[20:28]  * Seeker` gone
[20:42] <gpryatel> test me
[21:37] <vertix> ...
[21:38] <vertix> I just reviewed ubuntu leadership rules of conduct
[21:38] <vertix> and i can tell you, you have violated every single one of them
[21:39] <vertix> your abuse of authority is pervasive
[21:39] <vertix> and your arrogance knows no limite
[21:39] <vertix> you take this to be some kind of a game for you
[21:39] <vertix> to humiliate, insult and ridicule people
[21:39] <vertix> and once you had your dose of perverted pleasure of insulting,
[21:40] <Flannel> vertix: Who are you talking to?  Also, nothing will be done until both parties can be here to discuss it, so you're not accomplishing anything here.
[21:40] <vertix> you finish it off with pleasure of killing
[21:40] <vertix> by kick/banning those, who were abused by your own members
[21:41] <vertix> you can discuss it between yourselves
[21:41] <vertix> I have been insulted, ridiculled and kickbanned not only from #ubuntu
[21:41] <vertix> but from this channel also
[21:41] <vertix> so I have nothing to discuss with those who abuse me
[21:42] <Flannel> vertix: Then you have no business in this channel, please leave.
[21:42] <vertix> It is YOUR responsibililty to review the facts of the matter
[21:42] <vertix> and you know about logs better than I do
[21:42] <vertix> and it is YOUR responsibility to bring that arrogant and violent individual to his senses
[21:42] <vertix> or better yet, immediately deop him
[21:43] <vertix> now, you want me to come here and discuss what?
[21:43] <vertix> You do have the logs
[21:43] <vertix> YOU can make an intelligent "board" decistion
[21:43] <vertix> After all, what is this very channel #ubuntu-ops for?
[21:43] <vertix> For  the abused to come here
[21:43] <Flannel> vertix: Alright, this is how this works, since you seem to not understand:  When both you, and the person you have a complaint against are both available, we discuss it with both parties involved.
[21:44] <vertix> and get humjliated, insulted, rediculled and laughed at one more time?
[21:44] <vertix> Just like you did to me?
[21:44] <vertix> Which is reflected in logs?
[21:44] <LjL> vertix: i think you've made your point of view clear at this point.
[21:44] <LjL> you're free to follow the appeal procedure.
[21:44] <Flannel> vertix: If you refuse to follow the proper methods of complaints, nothing can be done.
[21:44] <vertix> I will do whatever I feel appropriated
[21:45] <Flannel> vertix: If you do "whatever you feel appropriate", just be mindful that we will do whatever is appropriate in response to those actions, including removing you from this channel.
[21:45] <vertix> According to leaders rule of conduct, this is not what is supposed to happen
[21:45] <vertix> that is your prerogative
[21:46] <vertix> I just want to tell you and all those who might read this
[21:46] <vertix> to know that this abuse of power and authority
[21:46] <vertix> is not beneficial to ubuntu
[21:46] <vertix> and I have enough authority to make such claims
[21:46] <nalioth> vertix: you've been given good advice here
[21:46] <Flannel> vertix: Please stop wasting our time.  We've told you, nothing will happen until Jack_Sparrow comes back.  So until that happens, you coming back and ranting cannot change anything.
[21:46] <vertix> YOU have the logs
[21:46] <nalioth> now i will suggest you learn to use the 'enter' key properly
[21:47] <vertix> What is the need for Jack to talk to ME?
[21:47] <Flannel> vertix: We do.  Logs aren't the only things involved.  No one said he had to talk to you.
[21:47] <Flannel> vertix: That would be the easiest way to resolve things, but if you refuse to talk to him, there are other ways.
[21:47] <vertix> I refuse to talk to such an arrogant, vilent and intolerant individual
[21:47] <LjL> you said that before. do you have something new to tell us?
[21:47] <vertix> Then why do you need him?
[21:48] <vertix> To explain what?
[21:48] <Flannel> nalioth: You mind?
[21:48] <vertix> The facts are on their face value
[21:48] <nalioth> vertix: please return here when Jack_Sparrow is active
[21:48] <vertix> I am not interested in Jack_Sparrow
[21:48] <vertix> I am talking to the "board" appointees
[21:48] <Flannel> vertix: We are.  You don't need to be.  This is how it works.
[21:51] <Myrtti> TO KILL? excuse me?
[21:52] <Myrtti> by opping I can see your monolpgue
[21:52] <Myrtti> but not interested anymore
[21:53] <Myrtti> he continues his monologue, accusing me of killing or smthn
[21:54] <Myrtti> very confusing
[21:54] <Flannel> Myrtti: odd indeed.
[21:54] <ikonia> he's not confused, it's obvious his intention is to be an issue, which I believe is part of the reason jack_sparrow removed him
[21:54] <LjL> kills time. i guess.
[21:55] <Myrtti> doesn't understand he's muted
[21:57] <Myrtti> i've tried my share, no tricks in my sleeves anymore.
[21:58] <ikonia> Myrtti: nothing you can do will change it, each time he speaks he makes it more clear his intention is to be an issue, rather than resolve an issue
[21:58] <Myrtti> i guess so
[21:59] <vertix> Whose interests do you serve?
[21:59] <vertix> and to whose benefits?
[22:00] <vertix> And you say:
[22:00] <ikonia> vertix: I suggest - as I did early you come back when jack_sparrow is available and we can resolve this
[22:00] <vertix> Well, it is enough!
[22:00] <LjL> i think we're here to amuse trolls and give them a space to rant, but i might be mistaken
[22:00] <Flannel> LjL: yeah, that's our primary job description, didn't you know?
[22:00]  * nalioth watches his PM window
[22:01] <Flannel> nalioth: For activity? or because of the activity?
[22:01] <ikonia> stap in 
[22:01] <nalioth> 50% chance of vertix taking it to PM
[22:01] <ikonia> %90 chance
[22:02] <Flannel> 1 dollar!
[22:02] <Flannel> oh wait.
[22:02] <nalioth> i guess he must not like me as much as the 90% folks
[22:02] <Myrtti> nalioth: have fun with him
[22:02] <LjL> nah he said before he didn't want PM talk
[22:02] <nalioth> no PMs yet
[22:02] <ikonia> no problem then
[22:02] <Flannel> No, he wants an audience.
[22:02] <ikonia> Flannel: I think thats it
[22:03]  * ikonia gives flannel $1
[22:03] <Myrtti> LjL: he chatted with me extensively
[22:03] <LjL> Myrtti: well, but he said he didn't want to.
[22:03] <LjL> aaaanyway. who cares.
[22:03] <ikonia> correct answer
[22:04] <Myrtti> he chats to nalioth to get access to come here again
[22:08] <Myrtti> !prayer
[22:09] <Myrtti> *sigh*
[22:10] <Flannel> !-prayer
[22:10] <Flannel> !prayer =~ s/ette/ette,/
[22:10] <Flannel> !prayer
[22:10] <Myrtti> merh
[22:10] <Flannel> yay
[22:18]  * ikonia notes vertix's utter nonsense in #ubuntu-kernel
[22:19] <ikonia> for someone who can't boot ubuntu - he's explaining a problem with ubuntu in #ubuntu-kernel
[22:20] <Flannel> He's trolling other channels now?
[22:20] <ikonia> yes
[22:20] <ikonia> I suspect nalioth's help will be needed as that channel is op-dead
[22:21] <Flannel> Wow.  Not even IRCC.
[22:21] <LjL> no
[22:21] <LjL> that's common to a few other channels, who often don't even have freenode staff
[22:25] <nalioth> please nip him in the bud if/when he returns and starts his "enter key as punctuation" rant
[22:26] <ikonia> nalioth: don't go 
[22:26] <LjL> nalioth, it's not like there's many people in here with privileges to do stuff
[23:59] <LjL> coler - longest flood of the month