[00:00] <_Groo_> JontheEchidna: yes, see the pastebin i just paste here
[00:00] <_Groo_> im using kde 4.2.3 from jaunty
[00:00] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: eventually make a whitelist (i.e. if package == kdebase or package == kde4libs...)
[00:00] <_Groo_> when doing the dist upgrade , its kepting back kdebase
[00:00] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: but it really should go into cdbs one way or another
[00:02] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: that way it also can't get lost in a merge :D
[00:02] <apachelogger> well, at least not that easily ;-)
[00:03] <JontheEchidna> the larger the diff, the more likely things are to get lost, so we might as well put it in pkg-kde-tools
[00:03] <apachelogger> that is what I am saying :P
[00:03] <apachelogger> what I was saying all along :P
[00:03] <JontheEchidna> ok, just clarifying
[00:03] <smarter> _Groo_: kdebase is just a metapackage, it contains nothing itself
[00:03] <apachelogger> but as always you weren't listening :P
[00:04]  * apachelogger notes that not listening to him might actually be a good thing at times though :D
[00:04] <JontheEchidna> ;)
[00:05] <_Groo_> smarter: ok, thanks :)
[00:07] <_Groo_> apachelogger: im rebuilding amarok 2.1 beta2 + today svn without the mysql patches... gonna check it and get back to you guys
[00:07] <apachelogger> don't get back to me, I ain't got no clue about the amarok 2 stuff :P
[00:09] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: I'm heading out for a bit.  Let me know when you have plasma-addons ready
[00:10] <JontheEchidna> ok
[00:10] <ScottK> Looks like everything else is building OK.
[00:12] <neversfelde> gnah, I might need some help with bilbo blogger. That seems to be not so easy
[00:13] <neversfelde> I think upstream sorted out that license probs, but bilbokblog is a monster
[00:13] <_Groo_> apachelogger: so would his in charge for amarok 2.1 in jaunty?
[00:14] <ScottK> I slightly take that back.  Looks like powerpc got caught in some archive skew.  I'll retry them later.
[00:14] <_Groo_> neversfelde: i built bilbo almost on a daily basis.. i love it :)
[00:14] <apachelogger> Riddell and JontheEchidna I suppose
[00:14] <_Groo_> apachelogger: ah ok :)
[00:14] <neversfelde> _Groo_: I like it too, but packaging is not so easy
[00:15] <_Groo_> neversfelde: true, i splitted it into bilbolib and main app
[00:15] <neversfelde> _Groo_: I would like to avoid that, because devs are backmerging their changes in kblog
[00:16] <apachelogger> neversfelde: what is the problem anyway?
[00:16] <neversfelde> apachelogger: the problem with splitting it?
[00:16] <apachelogger> the problem you are having
[00:17] <_Groo_> neversfelde: so bilbo will become kblogger again?
[00:17] <neversfelde> apachelogger: ah, james_w rejected it because I did this override. He said that it should split
[00:18] <neversfelde> _Groo_: no, kblogger and bilbo are different apps
[00:18] <apachelogger> neversfelde: go talk to him
[00:19] <_Groo_> neversfelde: so they are just borrowing code from each other?
[00:19] <neversfelde> apachelogger: yeah, will do, but upstream is not a big help, because of some language limits
[00:19] <apachelogger> neversfelde: there is no need to split the package as the library is not used outside bilbo, nor will it ever be because it basically just enhances the kblog lib from kdepim to which most changes get merged back anyway
[00:19] <apachelogger> neversfelde: no need to have upstream support on that
[00:19] <apachelogger> the lib just doesn't need to be splitted
[00:20] <apachelogger> otherwise amarok woudl need a lib and akregator and probably any half big KDE app would as well
[00:20] <neversfelde> apachelogger: yes, I am the same opinion, but upstream told me that he is glad that others can use libbilbokblog
[00:20] <_Groo_> guys: a few broken packages when upgrading.. the old story, trying to override files that are in other package.. as soon as the update is over, i gonna paste bin it here, so you can fix them
[00:20] <neversfelde> I guess I have to talk to him again
[00:20] <apachelogger> neversfelde: yeah
[00:20] <apachelogger> if he wants others use the lib
[00:20] <apachelogger> he should split it source wise
[00:21] <neversfelde> he do not want to, I think
[00:21] <apachelogger> there is no point in having bilbo (the app) installed so that you can compile kblogger or whatever
[00:21] <neversfelde> but not sure :)
[00:21] <neversfelde> kblogger is dead
[00:21] <apachelogger> just an example!
[00:21] <neversfelde> yes
[00:21] <neversfelde> he removed the GPL2 files, thats a progress
[00:21] <neversfelde> and will release 1.0 soon
[00:21] <apachelogger> neversfelde: anyway, either he splits the lib out or you should establish an email communication between him and me
[00:22] <apachelogger> then I can beat him up about how it is so not good practise to have a lib bundled with an application while the lib is supposed to be used by other apps as well
[00:22] <_Groo_> ouch a lot of packages gave errors :P thats on a stock 4.2.3
[00:22] <neversfelde> apachelogger: I ll wait till he released 1.0 and then I will send a new try to revu
[00:23] <neversfelde> I think it will correct all issues, but not that bilbokblogthing
[00:23] <neversfelde> and then I ll talk to james
[00:23] <_Groo_> http://pastebin.ca/1424994
[00:23] <apachelogger> neversfelde: first talk to upstream
[00:23] <neversfelde> apachelogger: I already did
[00:23] <neversfelde> 1.0 should be really better
[00:24] <apachelogger> neversfelde: better in what sense?
[00:24] <apachelogger> if it still contains the lib, and the lib is still supposed to be used by other applications than bilbo it is still as bad as before
[00:24] <neversfelde> without a tray icon :) and it removes several files that are gplv2
[00:24] <neversfelde> apachelogger: that will be the only problem, hopefully
[00:25] <neversfelde> apachelogger: I think he did not understand me, he is backmerging everything to kblog and libbilbokblog is not supposed to be used by other applications
[00:26] <neversfelde> but it could be and nobody wants to :)
[00:26] <apachelogger> well
[00:26] <apachelogger> where is the point?
[00:26] <neversfelde> ah and he adds COPYING files
[00:26] <apachelogger> if the changes get merged back to kblog
[00:26] <neversfelde> apachelogger: I am confused, thats the point^^
[00:26] <apachelogger> why would anyone want to use that library that comes bundled with an application?
[00:27] <_Groo_> apachelogger: JontheEchidna: ok, this are the errors upgrading to kde 4.3 beta 1: http://pastebin.ca/1425000
[00:27] <apachelogger> dude
[00:27] <neversfelde> no ione wants to, but it was rejected because it installs to /usr/lib
[00:27] <neversfelde> but than digikam should be rejected too
[00:27] <apachelogger> that is what I said earlier
[00:28] <apachelogger> amarok does
[00:28] <apachelogger> and akregator does
[00:28] <neversfelde> hehe
[00:28] <apachelogger> and half the KDE apps do
[00:28] <neversfelde> jep
[00:28] <apachelogger> and IMHO this is no valid reason for rejection anyway
[00:29] <_Groo_> brb, restarting x
[00:29] <neversfelde> and for that I probably need support, I will not split a lib
[00:29] <neversfelde> because it is not necessary
[00:30] <apachelogger> neversfelde: any dev in here can probably explain why it doesn't make sense, so just drag him in here ;-)
[00:31] <apachelogger> or just reupload and make Riddell pass it through NEW before james_w notices :P
[00:31] <neversfelde> hehe, the license problems are there atm
[00:32] <apachelogger> neversfelde: what are the problems there?
[00:32] <neversfelde> apachelogger: some GPL2 files and some missing copyright holders in copyright
[00:32] <neversfelde> usptream will remove all GPL2 files in version 1.0
[00:33] <apachelogger> neversfelde: GPL2-only?
[00:33] <neversfelde> and I did not find the missing copyright holders for now
[00:33] <neversfelde> apachelogger: everything will be GPL3 + LGPL in 1.0
[00:33] <neversfelde> in 0.9 it is a mix of v2 and v3 + lgpg
[00:33] <apachelogger> where is the problem with that? Oo
[00:34] <apachelogger> well
[00:34] <apachelogger> nevermind
[00:34] <neversfelde> I missed the v2 files
[00:34] <apachelogger> just wait for 1.0 :P
[00:34] <neversfelde> apachelogger: 1.0 will be released soon, so I am waiting for it
[00:34] <neversfelde> ah :)
[00:34] <neversfelde> hehe
[00:34] <apachelogger> neversfelde: that is no good reason for rejection anyway, because then half the archive would have to be revised as the copyright files are out-of-date or incomplete :P
[00:35] <neversfelde> apachelogger: feature freeze is far away, so no problem
[00:35] <neversfelde> and upstream would not have corrected it without my input, I thinkl
[00:36] <neversfelde> well, at least I hope he understood me :)
[00:40] <JontheEchidna> ugh, akonadi-kde and kdebase-runtime-data both provide the same file upstream
[00:45] <neversfelde> apachelogger: I totally forgot about writing a mail to -devel about that groupwre kdepim problems. Any updates on that?
[00:46] <apachelogger> not that I know of
[00:46] <apachelogger> neversfelde: drop a mail
[00:46] <apachelogger> if the bug didn't progress the fix didn't either I'd say
[00:46] <neversfelde> ok
[00:47] <JontheEchidna> the groupware stuff is a part of kdepim-groupware now in karmic
[00:48] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: needs SRU
[00:48] <apachelogger> serious SRU actually it renders novell groupware stuff unusable I have heared
[00:50] <neversfelde> so if SRU is a backport, how is that possible now?
[00:50] <apachelogger> that question ain't make no sense
[00:50] <apachelogger> SRU is not backport
[00:50] <apachelogger> backport is not SRU
[00:50] <neversfelde> last time it was :)
[00:51] <apachelogger> different kind of process, different sections of the archive, even different workflow
[00:51] <neversfelde> ok, it is only an update :)
[00:51] <neversfelde> I ll write someting about that to -devel and someone should correct it after^^
[01:10]  * ScottK looks around for JontheEchidna's ping that -addons is ready ....
[01:10] <JontheEchidna> it's shlibdeppign
[01:12] <JontheEchidna> and taking quite long doing it, I might add :/
[01:21] <ScottK> NCommander: Would you please rescore kdebase on amd64?
[01:22] <NCommander> ScottK, done
[01:22] <JontheEchidna> yay, done
[01:22] <ScottK> NCommander: tHANKS
[01:22] <JontheEchidna> finally
[01:22] <ScottK> Thanks even
[01:23] <ScottK> \0/
[01:25] <NCommander> ScottK, you going to be at UDS?
[01:25] <ScottK> Yes
[01:26] <jjesse> evening
[01:26] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: Where do I get the package?
[01:26] <ScottK> jjesse: Good evening.
[01:26] <jjesse> hello scottk
[01:26]  * JontheEchidna is composing a suitable debian/changelog entry before committing plasma-addons to bzr
[01:27] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: OK.  How about the tarball?
[01:29] <JontheEchidna> vorian's server should have it
[01:29] <JontheEchidna> and while I'm at it I'm test-installing to prevent the need for re-uploads for conflicts stuff
[01:30] <neversfelde> apachelogger: everything ok with alfred?
[01:31] <ScottK> Test installing is good.
[01:33] <JontheEchidna> I'm glad I did, I almost missed one
[01:40] <ScottK> OK, well time for me to go retrieve a teenager from the mall.
[01:40] <JontheEchidna> packaging pushed to bzr, and I'm uploading the tarball to the ppa in a bit. It'll be ready by the time you get back
[01:40] <_Groo_> hi/2 all
[01:40] <_Groo_> JontheEchidna: john, konsole is broken in kde 4.3
[01:41] <_Groo_> JontheEchidna: konsole: error while loading shared libraries: libkonsoleprivate.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[01:41] <_Groo_> JontheEchidna: and because of it, yakuake, etc are broken aswell
[01:41] <JontheEchidna> ./debian/not-installed:./usr/lib/libkonsoleprivate.so
[01:41] <JontheEchidna> fail
[01:42] <ScottK> So I guess you'll have another one for me too ....
[01:42] <JontheEchidna> yeah, I actually have another pim and workspace too
[01:42] <_Groo_> JontheEchidna: im right , correct / :P
[01:42] <JontheEchidna> thanks to Groo's testing
[01:43] <JontheEchidna> _Groo_: yeah, you are correct
[01:43] <_Groo_> JontheEchidna: will i see it tonight still? ;)
[01:43] <_Groo_> JontheEchidna: i miss my yakuake :D
[01:43] <JontheEchidna> I'll try
[01:43] <JontheEchidna> _Groo_: do dolphin and konq work?
[01:43] <_Groo_> just a sec
[01:44] <ScottK> _Groo_: The buildd's are pretty backed up from what we already uploaded, so it'll be some time in any case.
[01:44] <JontheEchidna> because I spy with my little eye /usr/lib/libkonquerorprivate.so in not-installed, along with dolphin's
[01:46] <_Groo_> konq and dolphin work just fine
[01:46] <JontheEchidna> huh, ok
[01:46] <JontheEchidna> I guess konsole is just "different"
[01:47] <_Groo_> JontheEchidna: how about kdebindings? i miss my spuerkaramba aio too :P
[01:47] <_Groo_> JontheEchidna: probably its the konsole kpart from konki.. let me check
[01:47] <JontheEchidna> bindings wasn't released in a compilable state this time
[01:47] <JontheEchidna> no bindings for beta1 :(
[01:47] <_Groo_> JontheEchidna: cant we use a more svn recent build?
[01:47] <JontheEchidna> if you wanna do it, sure :P
[01:48] <_Groo_> or use kde 4.2.3?
[01:48] <_Groo_> ok, im gonna see what i can do ¬¬
[01:48] <JontheEchidna> karamba is part of kdeutils, so I think it should work
[01:48] <JontheEchidna> plasma-scriptengine-karamba
[01:49] <JontheEchidna> brb, restarting X
[01:49] <_Groo_> yes, but the superkaramba themes mostly use python, that uses the kdebindings..
[01:49] <_Groo_> ok
[01:51] <ScottK> Let JontheEchnidna konw when he gets back that I uploaded kdeplasma-addons
[01:52] <neversfelde> he should really use Quassel :)
[01:52] <neversfelde> JontheEchidna: wb, and you should really use Quassel :)
[01:52] <neversfelde> JontheEchidna: [02:51:58] <ScottK> Let JontheEchnidna konw when he gets back that I uploaded kdeplasma-addons
[01:55] <JontheEchidna> crap, konsole is broke for me too
[01:55] <neversfelde> yes, here on karmic too
[01:56] <_Groo_> JontheEchidna: no? really? :P
[01:56] <JontheEchidna> it's always best to reproduce the problem ;-P
[01:56] <ScottK> NCommander: Would you please rescore kdeplasma-addons on i386, amd64, lpia, and powerpc?
[01:56] <_Groo_> JontheEchidna: :D
[01:56] <_Groo_> argh.. F12, i want my f12 back aaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhh
[01:57] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: Got another shell to work in in the meantime?
[01:57] <NCommander> ScottK, it FTBFS on powerpc, already built on amd64 and i386
[01:57] <JontheEchidna> xterm always works, I suppose
[01:57] <ScottK> NCommander: Wow.  That was fast.
[01:57] <_Groo_> JontheEchidna: im using xterm. just tested konqeuror, he also needs the same lib for the konsole kpart to work
[01:58] <_Groo_> gonna test kmail and akregator now
[01:58] <JontheEchidna> wow, new systray icons are niice
[01:59] <ScottK> NCommander: I think it didn't show up yet.  I want 4.2.85-0ubuntu1
[01:59] <NCommander> ScottK, oh, it didn't
[02:02] <ScottK> NCommander: I did upload it to Ubuntu (double checked), but I didn't get the accept yet.
[02:02] <JontheEchidna> I just got the acceptance email
[02:02] <Woodbj> Hello, just wondering if all the KDE 4.3 beta packages are avaliable now through kubuntu 9.10
[02:02] <ScottK> Cool
[02:02] <ScottK> NCommander: It should be there now.
[02:03] <ScottK> Woodbj: Mostly.  There's a few bits we're still sorting out.
[02:03] <ScottK> Right.  I got it too.
[02:03] <Woodbj> ScottK: Ok maddness thanks for the hard work
[02:04]  * JontheEchidna throws up a fixed kdebase for the ppa
[02:06] <JontheEchidna> fixed kdebase pushed to bzr
[02:06] <JontheEchidna> er, almost
[02:10] <JontheEchidna> crap, I messed up the fix for the ppa
[02:15] <JontheEchidna> and kdeplasma-addons failed on all archs, great
[02:19] <JontheEchidna> sigh
[02:21] <jjesse> yay?
[02:26] <_Groo_> JontheEchidna: jon the kget is missing the bittorrent lib also.. breaks the plugin
[02:26] <_Groo_> brb
[02:27] <JontheEchidna> someone else should handle it, I'm all packaged out
[02:27]  * JontheEchidna has been at this 6 hours straight
[02:28] <JontheEchidna> once I fix my FTBFS I'm taking the night off
[02:32] <JontheEchidna> what. the. fuck.
[02:32] <JontheEchidna> Now with the Qt Phonon patch, it fails to compile :/
[02:33] <JontheEchidna> oh, in the ppa, where we're still using regular phonon
[02:40] <JontheEchidna> ok, kdeplasma-addons fix pushed to bzr and to the ppa
[02:46] <jjesse> JontheEchidna: bed time now?
[02:46] <JontheEchidna> probably not bed, but I'm taking a break from packaging
[02:53]  * ScottK looks at bzr
[02:54] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: Anything other than -addons ready for upload?
[02:57]  * _Groo_ is ready to compile kdebindings from master today... if you guys want i can test it and send a diff so at least we have a working kdebindings
[02:58] <ScottK> _Groo_: All the stuff that depends on kdebindings still works with the oldone
[02:59] <_Groo_> ScottK: but can i install old kdebindings over kde 4.3?
[02:59] <ScottK> Should be able to
[03:01] <_Groo_> ScottK: it misses python-plasma, so superkaramba themes which use python dont work at all, like aio which works fine till kde 4.2.3
[03:01] <ScottK> Ah
[03:02] <ScottK> Well let's get all the released stuff working first ....
[03:04] <_Groo_> ScottK: agreed. but after that i believe a little updated kdebidings is better that no one at all
[03:04] <_Groo_> ScottK: im also looking at whats wrong with amarok and mysqld
[03:04] <ScottK> _Groo_: Cool.
[03:07] <_Groo_> ScottK: strange, cmake is bitching about  /usr/share/kde4/apps/cmake/modules/FindQImageBlitz.cmake:50 (find_package_handle_standard_args)
[03:08] <_Groo_> ScottK: but i have kdelibs5-dev installed
[03:08] <_Groo_> ScottK: do you guys know something about missing qimageblitz?
[03:09] <ScottK> _Groo_: Add a build-dep on libqimageblitz-dev
[03:09] <_Groo_> ah ok
[03:09] <ScottK> Now that we're using phonon from Qt instead of the separate one we need to build-dep on that too.
[03:09] <JontheEchidna> ScottK: kdebase
[03:09] <ScottK> Something like that.
[03:13] <ScottK> _Groo_: What error do you get on Konsole?
[03:14] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: OK.
[03:14] <ScottK> So he fixed that already.
[03:15] <_Groo_> ScottK: konsole: error while loading shared libraries: libkonsoleprivate.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[03:15] <JontheEchidna> also there's a new pim and workspace
[03:16] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: Is it OK to leave the dolphin/konq private so's in not-installed?
[03:16] <_Groo_> JontheEchidna: yeah, upgrading as we speak
[03:16] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: OK.
[03:17] <JontheEchidna> ScottK: yeah, they seem to work without it (and they've been in there for a while, by the looks of it)
[03:17] <ScottK> OK
[03:17] <_Groo_> my machine is a statemnt of the cutting edge :P kernel 2.6.29 with radeon branch, mesa from master, drm/xf86 ati from radeon branch, kde 4.3, k3b, konversation etc etc
[03:17] <_Groo_> and incredibly all works mostly bug free
[03:18] <JontheEchidna> heh
[03:18] <daskreech1> _Groo_: No Git 2.6.30? :-)
[03:18] <JontheEchidna> That new "highlight the window you hovered over on the taskbar and make other windows transparent" effect is annoying :/
[03:19] <daskreech1> It's on by default?
[03:19] <_Groo_> daskreech1: radeon rewrite drm still doesnt compile with latest kernel ;)
[03:19] <JontheEchidna> apparently
[03:20] <ScottK> kdebase done (and plasma-addons)
[03:21] <_Groo_> thank goodness, yakuake is back...
[03:21]  * _Groo_ missed you so much
[03:22] <_Groo_> oh btw i forgot to say... qt 4.5.1 with raster enabled by default.. speed demon
[03:22] <JontheEchidna> truths
[03:22] <_Groo_> works mostly bug free, just some plama related crashes on exit, no data loss still
[03:23] <JontheEchidna> I run konsole in raster because the prop. nvidia drivers for my card do nasty things with konsole
[03:23] <JontheEchidna> (scrolling back up gives artifacts)
[03:23] <_Groo_> JontheEchidna: im using it with all the system because for now dri2 with radeon screws up the rgba channels.. so raster fixes it
[03:24] <_Groo_> what is the kde dev channel?
[03:24] <JontheEchidna> #kde-devel
[03:25] <JontheEchidna> oh, and if anybody cares to fix it, the kdebase-runtime failures here: http://pastebin.ca/1425000 still need taking care of
[03:25] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: Workspace is a good one to have to do over, I forgot to fix vcs* in that one last time ...
[03:25]  * JontheEchidna won't get around to runtime until tomorrow unless someone else gets to it first
[03:25] <JontheEchidna> ...in which case I will also not do it
[03:25]  * JontheEchidna must be tired
[03:26] <_Groo_> could anyone send me the kdebindings diff that we are using and failed? gonna see if i can cook a new one from master
[03:26] <JontheEchidna> rgreening was working on that
[03:27] <_Groo_> JontheEchidna: on the kdebindings?
[03:27] <JontheEchidna> yeah
[03:27] <_Groo_> JontheEchidna: is he around here?
[03:35] <JontheEchidna> hmm, not at the moment
[03:35] <ScottK> -workspace uploaded (again)
[03:41] <daskreech1> When is the next KOffice release coming out?
[03:41] <_Groo_> daskreech1: when its ready? ;)
[03:41] <daskreech1> I doubt it
[03:45] <ScottK> OK, pim done
[03:46] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: I think I caught up with you.
[03:48] <daskreech1> It's on a time based release
[03:51] <_Groo_> daskreech1: well yes, but they need 2.0 to be on a usable state... its a milestone release, much like kde 4.0 was
[03:51] <_Groo_> but is very good and promising, i use it whenever i can
[03:51]  * ScottK needs a fresh minion now that JontheEchidna is all worn out.
[03:52]  * _Groo_ oO
[03:52] <daskreech1> Which should prove that it doesn't ahve to be usable
[03:52] <daskreech1> Zing!
[03:52] <_Groo_> ouch auehauheuaheuhae
[03:52]  * _Groo_ thinks, im not usable :P im worthless :D
[03:58] <daskreech1> You use Koffice?
[04:08] <_Groo_> daskreech1: whenever i can
[04:09] <daskreech1> What do you think of 2.0 so far ?
[04:10] <_Groo_> daskreech1: like i said, its a milestone, still some way to go, but holds a lot of promisse and it has a lot of inovating ideas and concepts..
[04:10] <daskreech1> Yep :-) I hope that it can garner users by 2.2
[04:14] <daskreech1> Goodness knows we need an OO.o opponent
[04:16] <_Groo_> daskreech1: agreed, and koffice shows a lot of potencial, and since it works in all 3 platforms we should see more fast development
[04:16] <daskreech1> If it gets users
[04:18] <_Groo_> daskreech1: it will, dont be so negative :)
[04:18] <daskreech1> Im' not there are two major differences betwen KDE and KOffice
[04:20] <_Groo_> daskreech1: which are? bvesides the name and version? :D
[04:23] <daskreech1> KDE had a whole lot of devs behind it and for KDE most of the hard work/coding was early on
[04:24] <nixternal> anyone see this -> http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php/Oxygen-Molecule+KDE+%26+GTK%2B+unified+theme?content=103741
[04:24] <nixternal> KDE & GTK unified theme
[04:24] <_Groo_> daskreech1: its a matter of exposure.. koffice 2.0 is better then all the 1.x series... more robust, more easy to code, qt 4.x , etc etc... and for 3 platforms instead of one.. developers will come ventually
[04:24] <_Groo_> nixternal: yeah i saw it
[04:24] <nixternal> it is really good actually
[04:24] <daskreech1> As you said mater of exposure
[04:33] <daskreech1> I forget. It doesn't support MS Office file right _Groo_ ?
[04:34] <ScottK> Not very well.
[04:35] <_Groo_> daskreech1: used to.. and there isnt such thing as a msoffice format
[04:35] <ScottK> That's a fatal flaw for me.
[04:35] <daskreech1> It can't open .docs and .xls then
[04:35] <_Groo_> even with ms office, it changes dramatically from version to veriosn, and dont get me talking about docx
[04:35] <daskreech1> I'm pretty sure it doesn't save it
[04:35] <ScottK> _Groo_: Call it what you want.  If I can't mail stuff to my customers and have it look good, then it won't work for me.
[04:35] <daskreech1> You can't complain about docx changing from version to version yet
[04:36] <_Groo_> daskreech1: he can open openoffice files, its native now.. just use the script it has to convert files to odf format
[04:36] <daskreech1> ;-)
[04:36] <_Groo_> daskreech1: yes i can...
[04:36] <_Groo_> daskreech1: since docx is a half baked pseudo standard that not even MS finished in ms2007
[04:37] <daskreech1> Well they said that before
[04:37] <daskreech1> as well as they may never quite ship the standard
[04:37] <daskreech1> Which given the full support they have for ODF so far is a hell of a statement
[04:39] <ScottK> plasma-addons will neeed Newing, so maybe tomorrow after it's built on at least am64
[04:39]  * ScottK heads to bed.
[04:39]  * _Groo_ is going,, seeya all tomorrow :)
[04:39] <daskreech1> Well then again OO.o doesn't use the ODF standard so...
[04:40] <daskreech1> 2 of one a duo of the other
[04:41] <_Groo_> daskreech1: what? sure it does.. and ms office 2007 sp2 now has odf support built in.. not perfect but ms bend over
[04:42] <daskreech1> Yeah but they follow the letter of the spec while making it impossible to be opened by anything than MS office
[04:42] <daskreech1> Well not impossible but highly improbable. As well as it not opening any spreadsheets with formulas correctly from anything anyone else made
[04:43] <daskreech1> Which is possibly a worse flaw than openeing a document incorrectly
[04:43] <daskreech1> OO.o has quitea few things that are outside the ODF spec and thigns which are in the spec aren't implemented correctly
[04:43] <daskreech1>  Course that means that people think the OO.o output is correct
[06:00] <_Groo_> amarok without the mysql patches still crashes.. oh well
[06:00] <daskreech1> _Groo_: Bed!!
[06:01] <_Groo_> daskreech1: mom is that you? auheuaheuhae
[06:01] <daskreech1> YES!!!
[06:01] <_Groo_> hmm could it be a taglib extra problem, me wonders :P
[06:03] <_Groo_> well im gonna see ya tomorrow :) seeya all ppl, later...
[07:48] <freeflying> how to name a applet? plasma-applet-xxxxxx, like this?
[08:30] <MelisU> Hello, what is the exec key for the directory the file is in?  Like okular %f is for file .. but which key is the dir?
[09:09] <apachelogger> neversfelde: re alfred: yes, so far, though I didn't get much chance using it yet :)
[09:25] <vishalrao> all bow down low... the sabdfl lurks...
[11:50] <sabdfl> vishalrao: no need for bowing. who's looking forward to UDS?
[13:34] <apachelogger> rofl
[13:34] <apachelogger> neversfelde: I told you that you people introduced way too much politics into the project
[13:38] <Tscheesy> apachelogger : we try not to - but the people seem not to understand making a brake there is neccessary - concerning our Forum ? nor
[13:42] <apachelogger> Tscheesy: concerning people being burned out and having no fun anymore
[13:43] <apachelogger> like, how many people are active anymore?
[13:43] <apachelogger> 5?
[13:43] <Tscheesy> about
[13:44]  * apachelogger seems to remember that in the days when there was less politics and less obligation there were like 18 or something
[13:44] <apachelogger> if I had more spare time I would hijack the project right now :P
[13:45] <Tscheesy> we try to stop politics - otherwise you p** off even mor people..
[13:45] <apachelogger> try is not good enough
[13:45] <apachelogger> drop all of it
[13:45] <apachelogger> relaunch the project infrastructure
[13:45] <Tscheesy> so - we should have kicked some people earlier you want to say?
[13:46] <apachelogger> people who don't fit in leave
[13:46] <apachelogger> no need to kick them out
[13:46] <apachelogger> either they contribute to the good of the project or they don't
[13:46] <Tscheesy> atm it's a bit depressing..
[13:46] <apachelogger> that is my point
[13:47] <apachelogger> you are constantly worrying about stuff
[13:47] <apachelogger> who is gonna write that news, who is gonna sort this and that ...
[13:47] <Tscheesy> hm. i do understanf neversfeldevery good in this point - german law is awful in this
[13:48] <jtechidna> freeflying: the current convention is plasma-widget-xxxx
[13:49] <apachelogger> hm
[13:49]  * Tscheesy is away for a while
[13:49] <apachelogger> plasma-widget-xxx would be cool :D
[13:49] <JontheEchidna> lol
[13:50]  * apachelogger goes outside
[13:50] <apachelogger> lets hope the nm plasmoid works :P
[14:01] <vishalrao> hello - is the 4.3b1 air theme available in karmic repos?
[14:04] <JontheEchidna> nope, it wasn't released with the beta
[14:06] <vishalrao> :(  where would i go to manually checkout and build? kde svn? or are there packages somewhere out there?
[14:11] <JontheEchidna> svn checkout svn://anonsvn.kde.org/home/kde/trunk/playground/base/plasma/desktoptheme/air
[14:12] <JontheEchidna> then copy that air directory to ~/.kde/share/apps/desktoptheme
[14:12] <JontheEchidna> er, maybe make that checkout an export
[14:13] <ScottK> apachelogger: I think most of the 'politics' come from outside the core of people working on Kubuntu.
[14:14] <apachelogger> one more depeche mode!
[14:14] <apachelogger> ScottK: well, I was talking about kubuntu-de
[14:14] <ScottK> apachelogger: Ah.  I'm not familiar with there, so don't mind me then.
[14:14] <apachelogger> which always got a way too small team for the amount of politics they introduced
[14:15] <apachelogger> they mostly copied the project infrastructure of kubuntu though
[14:15] <apachelogger> with less productive meetings though :P
[14:15] <ScottK> Right.  I remember some about that.
[14:18] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: bug 287313
[14:21] <JontheEchidna> what can we do about it?
[14:23] <apachelogger> nodisco!
[14:23] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: close it
[14:23] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: find some reasonable excuse ;-)
[14:23] <JontheEchidna> uhm
[14:23] <JontheEchidna> hmm
[14:25] <JontheEchidna> I was thinking something like: "Sad to say, but this bug is not fixable. Both packages install files to the same location, so there isn't a way we could get to coexist peacefully."
[14:29] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: you could also point out that the rationale of porting is crap :P
[14:30] <JontheEchidna> rationale of porting?
[14:30] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: the second comment says something about that preventing the porting from kde3 to 4
[14:30] <apachelogger> like you really will be able to build the kde 3 version with cmake once you executed the magic scripts ;-)
[14:31]  * apachelogger will get a badass sunburn
[14:43] <Mamarok> apachelogger: no need to be so angry about my bug whish...
[15:09] <JontheEchidna> looks like extragear got updated for KDE 4.2.3 too
[16:23] <JontheEchidna> http://imagebin.ca/view/3TUXFb.html
[17:40] <JontheEchidna> could someone ping me please?
[17:41] <freeflying> JontheEchidna: ping you?
[17:41] <JontheEchidna> whoa, it works
[17:41]  * JontheEchidna ported konversation to libknotificationitem over his lunch
[17:42] <JontheEchidna> freeflying: again in about 5 seconds please
[17:42] <freeflying> JontheEchidna: ping again
[17:42] <JontheEchidna> thx
[17:43] <freeflying> JontheEchidna: np, I upload kimpanel to revu, if you have time,  please have a look
[18:05]  * JontheEchidna can probably be considered the first person to ever have a sideways konversation tray icon
[18:35] <_Groo_> hi/2 all
[18:54] <daskreech1> Morning _Groo_
[18:54] <_Groo_> hi daskreech1
[18:54]  * _Groo_ is a happy camper, agd5f fixed xv with dri2 :)
[18:54] <daskreech1> Why is the insinuation that most campers are unhappy?
[18:56] <_Groo_> daskreech1: i believe its the other way around...
[18:56] <_Groo_> daskreech1: most campers should be happy, im just one more :D
[18:56] <_Groo_> or a happy clam!
[18:56] <_Groo_> i've never seen a clam claiming its not happy
[18:57] <daskreech1> That is a good point
[18:58] <daskreech1> Always grinning from my plate
[19:01] <_Groo_> :)
[19:17] <daskreech1> _Groo_: Why so far forward on the software side?
[19:20] <_Groo_> daskreech1: what do you mean?
[19:23] <daskreech1> You are running quite a lot from svn/git it seems
[19:23] <Sput> daskreech1: it's fun!
[19:24]  * Sput runs X11 and KDE from git/svn, among other things
[19:24] <_Groo_> daskreech1: well i run because i want the funcionality
[19:26]  * _Groo_ also runs X backported from debian unstable, dri2/kms/mesa/ddx for radeon-rewrite, kde 4.3 beta1 and a lot of packages he makes/backports and sends to the kubuntu devs for evaluation, like konversation, basket, rekonq, etc
[19:27] <daskreech1> basket :-)
[19:28] <_Groo_> daskreech1: you can get latest kde4 version from my ppa
[19:28] <_Groo_> brb
[19:34] <apachelogger> Mamarok: I am not angry about the wish, I am angry about KHC
[19:35] <apachelogger> anyway
[19:35] <apachelogger> off until thursday I guess
[19:42] <daskreech1> Wasn't there a lancelot package?
[19:42] <daskreech1> !find lancelot
[19:43] <daskreech1> Ah
[19:48] <_Groo_> anyone had the time to check why amarok 2.1 beta 2 is breaking in kubuntu?
[19:49] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: So we have a new wallpaper called Virus?
[19:50] <JontheEchidna> ScottK: yeah
[19:51] <JontheEchidna> next beta, when we're hopefully less-pressed for time, we should also build the marble one too
[19:51] <ScottK> kdeplasma-addons accepted from binary New.
[19:51] <ScottK> So that's the lot then.
[19:51] <JontheEchidna> \o/
[19:52] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: You might look at the bug I filed about the new wallpaper package description
[19:52]  * ScottK runs off again
[19:53] <JontheEchidna> oops
[19:53] <JontheEchidna> bad copypaste
[20:24] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: Not a big deal.  Part of the archive-admin thing is to file bugs for stuff we see that's not rejection worthy.
[21:07] <ScottK> KDE 4.2 is hitting Debian Testing tonight.
[21:52] <JontheEchidna> So, anybody with access to the website want to write up a beta1 story?
[21:57] <nalioth> i don't know what to do, none of my kde4 stuff works
[22:01] <JontheEchidna> it doesn't work?
[22:06] <nalioth> JontheEchidna: nope.  i've been in here for a few days with the issue
[22:08] <nalioth> http://www.pastebin.ca/1425804  konsole debug output: http://www.pastebin.ca/1418697  JontheEchidna
[22:10] <JontheEchidna> What's the output of apt-cache policy kdelibs5 and apt-cache policy konsole?
[22:18] <nalioth> JontheEchidna: nothing exciting:  http://pastebin.ca/1425812
[22:19]  * JontheEchidna wonders why the symbol error if nothing's really wrong
[22:19]  * ScottK looks at ryanakca for a web site announcement of KDE 4.3 beta 1.
[22:19] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: Did the -runtime (I think that's what it was) conflicts get fixed?
[22:20] <JontheEchidna> yeah, I fixed that this morning
[22:20] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: Is it uploaded already?
[22:21] <JontheEchidna> ScottK: nope
[22:21] <ScottK> OK.  I'll look in bzr then. JontheEchidna <--- It is in bzr, right?
[22:21] <JontheEchidna> yes
[22:22] <JontheEchidna> ScottK: also there's a new kdepim
[22:22] <ScottK> OK
[22:23] <nalioth> i'm beginning to wonder if it'd be easier to remove all graphical programs or just reinstall
[22:26] <nalioth> JontheEchidna: a little background: this is a freshly installed jaunty box (ubuntu cd and apt-get kubuntu-desktop)
[22:28] <ScottK> -runtime launched
[22:31] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: Why does your kdepim change modify debian/changelog for the previous upload?
[22:31] <JontheEchidna> it does?
[22:31] <ScottK> -  * Bump replaces version on kdebase-runtime-data for akonadi-kde
[22:32] <ScottK> It does
[22:32] <ScottK> I'll assume that wasn't intentional and put it back ....
[22:34] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: ^^
[22:35] <JontheEchidna> ScottK: yeah, unintentional
[22:35] <ScottK> K
[22:39] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: pim uploaded.
[22:39]  * ScottK is off again
[23:07] <blizzz> hell, my external keyboard uses a different layout than my built-in one, but only german is installed/configured!
[23:21] <smarter> blizzz: there is a way to assign a keymap to each keyboard
[23:22] <blizzz> and how do i get rid off? (however it happend...)
[23:24] <smarter> if you haven't touched stuff like /etc/hal/fdi/policy/10-keymap.fdi (which shouldn't exist anyway) it shouldn't happen
[23:25] <blizzz> well i didn|t do anzthing
[23:26] <blizzz> just plugged out the usb receiver because i was short of usb ports. after plugging it in back again it was all messed up
[23:27] <smarter> try xinput list --short, get the id of the keyboard(e.g. id=42), do setxkbmap -device 42 de
[23:29] <blizzz> it says "Error loading new keyboard description"
[23:30] <smarter> blizzz: google suggest trying with more verbose output by adding -v 10
[23:31] <smarter> also, sudo mkdir /var/lib/xkb
[23:32] <blizzz> the folder exists
[23:32] <blizzz> and the verbose output says that de is applied...
[23:32] <blizzz> *try to switch to us and back again*
[23:34] <blizzz> doesn't work either
[23:35] <smarter> no idea then, sorry
[23:37] <blizzz> i try simple logout-in later on or a reboot, perhaps that's enough. thank you for your ideas. i learned something new again at least :)
[23:37] <smarter> you're welcome ;)