[00:05] ienorand: I made 4 alias, just in case [00:05] eheh [03:45] hi guys [03:46] ubuntu develop very fast and unstable versions :S [03:46] please relesead newest version in 1 year later [03:46] :S [03:50] slipttees_: This decision is very much up to Mr Shuttleworth, and he seems to want to stick with 6-months, also, if you want stable, use LTS. [03:51] 8.04 sucks :-S [03:51] 6.06 the best [03:51] after this, only crap versions :S [03:53] ubuntu 9.12, 10.12, 11.12, [03:53] :-) [03:54] !ot > slipttees_ [03:54] slipttees_, please see my private message === ripps_ is now known as ripps [04:02] hows karmic so far, any big changes? planning on installing soon [04:06] yoasif: some breakage here and there... I keep hearing bad things about kde and ati, so far a pretty smooth ride for me on nvidia, gnome, and a bit of caution when it comes to new updates... [04:52] Does anyone know when restricted modules will be available for the 2.6.30 kernels? [04:52] I'm stuck using 2.6.28 right now because my wifi card uses a restricted driver (broadcom) [06:22] joetheodd: just sudo apt-get install bcmwl-kernel-source for broadcom's drivers on karmic if b43 doesnt work for some reason === ripps_ is now known as ripps === mib_rhcnp2 is now known as idorock [10:57] 2.6.30-rc doesn't work with the nvidia driver (180-51 from PPA) for me. Do I need a patch? [10:58] DKMS is building fine.. but it doesn't come up [10:58] :/ [10:59] lazka: u mean like a nicotine patch? [11:00] idorock, I just wnated to know if there are known problems with this combination.. if not I will investigate further myself. [11:01] but the source seems to have proper 2.6.30 ifdefs.. [11:01] ok === idorock is now known as uh989mkh === uh989mkh is now known as idorock [11:57] will hal be completely removed in karmic or just a part of it will be removed? [12:52] hi guys, wanna try something special, will Koala run on par with say debian testing? [12:52] run on par? [12:53] and how to upgrade seamlessly? just add Koala repos? [12:53] in terms of stability [12:53] Persi: you can't compare then [12:53] I don`t use special features [12:53] upgrade from debian to ubuntu? [12:53] unles you test both on same hardware [12:53] err [12:53] nono [12:53] im on jaunty [12:53] update-manager -d [12:53] thx [12:54] how do I roll it back if it goes awry? [12:54] you cant [12:54] :D [12:54] cool [12:54] also no seamless upgrade [12:54] well it will upgrade [12:54] but stuff will break ;) [12:54] they have not had upgrades from debian since breezy [12:54] :)) which stuff usually breaks first? [12:55] Im not on debian! [12:55] I`m on jaunty [12:55] ran debian testing once and it never broke [12:55] the kernel and x never work [12:55] and I was on intrepid very early [12:55] I have .30rc5 kernel and it works [12:56] or you messed up with kernel for koala and its not ready yet? [12:56] well seems to be poor reward for a lot of risk then anyways [12:56] is there anything special besides cloud capabilities? [12:57] newer kernel/x/gcc/intel driver [12:58] as far as risk, it's alpha [12:58] eucalyptus is in jaunty [12:58] I have them from swap squad - not crack pushers but the related bunch [12:58] and xfce doesnt even have notifications so I guess not that much to expect [12:58] not even new color [12:59] aafaik alpha 1 is just a package refresh [12:59] mostly anyway [12:59] I see, thanks [13:00] by x you mean xorg? [13:00] off course [13:00] it comes with a driver I think, right? [13:00] off course [13:00] :) thanks [13:00] so I have them from daily builds anyway [13:00] if you want to try karmic, grab the live cd, use a virtual machine or make an usb stick, that way you can experiment easy enough [13:01] i have an external usb disk with a few different installations too, very practical and nearly as fast as my laptop hd [13:01] yeah you`re right, having unetbootin I shouldnt have even asked in the 1st place [13:02] but you listed the key changes and I`m not using gcc so with drivers, kernel, and firefox up to date I feel like I am upgraded enough :D [13:02] thank you [13:02] well i'm sure my list is not exaustive [13:02] exhaustive? [13:03] yeah with h [13:03] it`s just that I became obsessed with updates after seeing Minefield literally kicking ass [13:03] while being stable and working with adblocker [13:04] and also latest drivers improving performance, although I think it got back to usiing 50% of CPU with latest update [13:06] btw are you guys among the koala devs? [13:06] what will you do with intel video problems? [13:06] i'm not a dev [13:07] then why hang out here? dedicated tester? [13:07] though it seems with the newer intel driver things are improving [13:07] it really is, cpu usage has dropped to 5% with some update [13:08] but then got back to 50 for some reason :( [13:08] it's a support channel for people running karmic [13:08] I know but you gotta have some reasons to run alpha and not being a dev [13:08] but you seem to run it from flash so you are probably just curious [13:09] no main install for me [13:09] because of driver support [13:10] isnt it all in kernel? [13:10] * Twigathy is running alpha and not a dev because he wants to check NFS root doesn't break :) [13:10] and I didnt even notice the update to rc5 in terms of problems [13:10] I don`t even know what is NFS :) [13:11] No it's not all in the kernel [13:11] and what you have? cutting edge wifi? g4 maybe? [13:11] intel gma4500 [13:11] i.e. wimax, although I think it is supported already [13:12] so not so cutting edge [13:12] Persi: networked file system. Basically this machines root is actually on another machine and it gets all its files over the network :) [13:14] cant see any advantage, Ive tried ssh and it looked way cooler [13:14] with I think root capabilities on remote pc as well [13:16] ok I wanted to have some fun anyways so I guess Ill just try crack pushers [13:16] thanks for the info guys, goodbye [13:17] yw === WelshDragon is now known as YDdraigGoch [14:45] Anybody using RAID with Karmic? (preferably +cryptsetup+LVM) === yofel_ is now known as yofel [18:23] holy sh*** [18:23] * BUGabundo lends a trap hole to dazjorz [18:24] my sound just stopped, when it restored, I had a few hundred popups pop up, all KMess new message sounds play, of a few hours [18:24] KNotify is catching up on the sounds it had to play, the notifications it had to display [18:24] just when sound started working again :') [18:43] yay, found the fix for bug 377395 - in case somebody gets bitten by it, too. [18:43] Launchpad bug 377395 in util-linux "Karmic: encrypted root device (RAID+cryptsetup+LVM) gets not found; might fail for RAID in general" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/377395 [19:28] hey guys hows karmic starting to look [19:28] eagles0513875: fairly good for me [19:29] how can one get it granted its not released yet [19:29] i need to see if this one nasty issue i am having after a clean install resurfaces in karmic [19:29] eagles0513875: either upgrading with UM [19:30] or livecd from dailies [19:30] !daily [19:30] Daily builds of the CD images of the current development version of Ubuntu are available at http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily/current/ and http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/ [19:30] or change your sources.list [19:30] BUGabundo1: i have had bad experiences with that so im rather apprehensive but i guess for right nwo i would rather use the upgrade manager [19:30] thiebaude: NEVER CHANGE YOUR SOURCES [19:30] that's what i did [19:30] BUGabundo1: how can i do it with the upgrade manager [19:30] thiebaude: me too.... but just because UM was not updated yet [19:31] eagles0513875: what trouble did you had? [19:31] BUGabundo1: yea, thats true [19:31] i would be guessing though by doing that you have no way of checking what packages have changed from one release to the next [19:31] eveything just gets updated [19:31] i always seem to end up with some pita problems that a clean install wouldnt have but i guess in this case since im on a clean install i can give it a shot [19:32] man i had one hella time trying to get this machine online with a wired connectino [19:32] tion [19:32] this system has came from devel cycle from hardy [19:32] the default widget is borked up the backside hat to do it the old fashioned way with /etc/network/interfaces and resolv.conf it wasnt even pullingn an ip via dhcp [19:33] ive been on kubuntu since edgy [19:33] BUGabundo1: eventually ,i will do a fresh install with the 9.10 live cd [19:33] its come a long way [19:33] thiebaude: dont [19:33] i have been having one hella time with it [19:34] eagles0513875: just keep updating it until final? [19:34] yes [19:34] im an update fanatic [19:34] always checking for updates as soon as i get on the pc and maybe 2 three times more [19:34] that's all? [19:34] I UM 5x a day [19:34] im having no problems at all, like 8.10 with intel, but xorg.conf is customized anyway [19:34] how can i upgrade to karmic [19:35] sveral ways [19:35] apachlogger mentioned earlier today they making the 8.10 x stack available in a ppa [19:35] several [19:35] im gonna do online upgrade dont wanna waste a cd [19:37] eagles0513875: $ update-manager -d [19:37] thanks [19:37] the usual way [19:37] eagles0513875: do you have an USB stick? [19:37] says command not found O_O [19:37] ya but has data on it atm [19:37] you can just get the iso and use usbcreator [19:38] i normally use unetbootn [19:38] bootin [19:38] naaa [19:38] usbc is better [19:38] the pidgin tabs in chat look orange now [19:38] never really tried [19:38] well i have another project i wanna use it for [19:38] make a persistent install of kubuntu on it [19:39] is the command $ update-manager -d [19:39] cuz im getting command not found O_O [19:39] thiebaude: not here [19:39] found the answer [19:39] its back to normal now, BUGabundo1 [19:39] eagles0513875: stupid idea: don't write the '$' [19:40] sry [19:40] :my bad [19:40] been studying all day for my last exam on tuesday im brain dead [19:40] once i finish school i gotta study my ass off for my linux cert exams [19:40] eagles0513875: your good,:) [19:41] there few things i wanna see if they occur in karmic [19:41] for starters with the nvidia 180 driver been getting nasty freezes [19:41] have to do a hard reset [19:41] as well as the cursed network manager widget [19:41] eagles0513875: like x freezing? [19:41] dunno [19:41] I have to prepare for LPI too [19:41] not sure if its the nvidia driver that is in the repos or what [19:42] will need it to get my next job [19:42] BUGabundo1: what level im doing 101 102 [19:42] 101 for now [19:42] im getting a jump on my certs [19:42] 1st time I went for it, I went without even studing [19:42] you are lukcy when i did it thsi time last yr the syllabus was alot harder [19:42] they took out x [19:42] not the best result [19:42] :( [19:42] me neither commands raped me lol [19:42] i did really good on apt-get and yum commands and everything else [19:43] i have actually a rather nice book called a practical guide to commands editors and shell programming for linux [19:45] upgrade on the way [19:45] question [19:45] is it ok to mix karmic repos lets say with jaunty repos [19:46] repos should be the same [19:46] lets say there is an older version of somethign i want [19:46] eagles0513875: bad idea [19:46] ok [19:46] but UM should take care of that [19:46] thiebaude: actually no... many differences by now [19:46] one thing i would really like to see chage has to do with drivers [19:46] что за глюк не работает на клаве стрелки влево вправо [19:47] O_O [19:47] !ru [19:47] Пожалуйста посетите #ubuntu-ru для получения помощи на русском языке / Pozhalujsta posetite #ubuntu-ru dlya polucheniya pomoshi na russkom yazyke [19:47] вверх стрелка почему скриншот делает [19:47] seeing some interesting characters in russian [19:47] как второй монитор добавил началась такая байда [19:48] it would be nice to have the update manager poll the websites of intel nvidia and ati and have the user install them manually that way [19:49] !ru | Volkodav [19:49] Volkodav: Пожалуйста посетите #ubuntu-ru для получения помощи на русском языке / Pozhalujsta posetite #ubuntu-ru dlya polucheniya pomoshi na russkom yazyke [19:50] sorry wrong window lol [19:50] lol [19:51] как второй монитор добавил началась такая байда - точнее компиз на втором [19:51] darn it [19:51] eheh [19:51] it download the driver to the local machine then let the user know where the driver is and steps to install it [19:52] thiebaude: i think the issue with the nasty freezing i have been having was the driver and being on 4.2.3 even i had with desktop effects random plasma and kwin crashes [19:52] omfg think i need to change the name server im using [19:52] :( [19:52] driver? [19:53] what did I loose? [19:53] 180.44 [19:53] nvidia website has 180.51 [19:53] DON'T [19:53] what [19:53] i havent install either driver yet [19:53] don't use drivers from outside the archive [19:53] y is that [19:53] well that what happened before borked my x all together had to reinstall [19:53] BUGabundo1: they will break? [19:54] thiebaude: can for sure [19:54] and its very hard to get the system working again after it [19:54] heheh [19:54] i totally agree [19:54] but now that i have all my data off there im kool [19:54] BUGabundo1: i'll stick with my xorg.conf [19:55] 180.51 was complaining bout modules earlier and it having modules for 180.44 and not .51 [19:55] BUGabundo1: check out the new revised syllabi for 101 and 102 [19:56] they made 101 easier and took out the x stuff from it [19:57] syllabi!?!?!? [19:57] my prob with the 101 is that my exam was really old... [19:57] from 2005 [19:57] all about Redhat [19:59] BUGabundo1: ahhh [19:59] syllabi = syllabus plural form [19:59] well i have a place you can get these exams and a program that is like an exam simulator and you can stay practicing these questions its free [19:59] and what not [20:00] If you want newer nvidia, there's a PPA for them. [20:00] http://ubuntu-ky.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1099866 [20:00] er [20:00] eagles0513875: you got a link? [20:00] i dont get whats wrong with the ones from nvidia [20:00] lpi.org is the site [20:00] that was a feeling-lucky link... lemme dig up the actual one. [20:00] kewl [20:00] thanks [20:00] thats for the linux certification [20:00] for those exmas not limited to linux but also msft exams etc its www.examcollections.com [20:01] i need to learn all i can, eagles0513875 [20:01] https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-x-swat/+archive/x-updates [20:01] thiebaude: i hear ya [20:01] im dying to finish college [20:01] 22 this past wednesday and have at least another 2 yrs [20:02] eagles0513875: you studying linux admin? [20:02] bsc computing informatino systems [20:02] getting a jump on certifications [20:02] at least linux stuff [20:02] wow, i wish i had the money to do that [20:02] im spoiled [20:02] parents [20:02] and the governemnt here spoil students [20:02] i heard that,lol [20:02] get paid to study [20:02] and [20:03] they give tax refunds up to 75% of tuition fees even cert exam fees [20:03] there is such a high demand for IT [20:03] is karmic gonna have 4.2.3 [20:04] bbl ppl [20:04] later [20:04] ok [20:04] eagles0513875: you are lucky [20:04] here its expensive [20:04] 400€ [20:04] im originally from usa [20:05] used to pay bout 17k usd yearly [20:05] im in central europe now [20:05] parents migrated there over 30 yrs ago sis and i born there but coming back to our roots to study here and be with relatives [20:05] I meant the LPIs [20:05] ya they are [20:05] but worth it [20:06] think bout this [20:07] anyone know a list that has all the ppa's and whats in them [20:07] or list with links to their pages on launchpad [20:08] yep [20:08] its called google [20:08] i know but someone who doesnt know the name of particular ppa [20:08] what they supposed to do [20:08] i tried just to google kubuntu ppas didnt bring any of htem up only a link to what ppas were [20:09] eagles0513875: IIRC there has been some post about it on some ML, somebody having setup something like that. [20:09] well ill keep looking [20:09] ill come across it at some point in time [20:11] <|eagles0513875|> sry bout that [20:12] <|eagles0513875|> dunno y the name karmic koala i picture a tie die colored psychadelic koala [20:12] <|eagles0513875|> !ghost [20:12] If you own an IRC nick that is currently being used, you can make it change nicks by typing: /msg nickserv release | If you have a dead (ghost) connection, you can make it quit by typing: /msg nickserv ghost === |eagles0513875| is now known as eagles0513875 === yoasif_ is now known as yoasif [20:47] can someone clarify why its nto good to use the nvidia video card drivers over the ones int he repo [20:47] eagles0513875: humm taste? [20:47] basicly because it can mess your system [20:48] and then devs can't provide you with support [20:48] cant it do that if you install it ontop of the one thats in the repos cuz that what happened to me earlier [20:48] since you used 3rd parties [20:48] humm [20:49] you know if there is a newer x version in karmic or is it the same version as in jaunty [20:49] x um [20:49] here goes nothing with the reboot [20:51] im trying to pin down an issue of random nasty freeses where i have to hard reboot my machine rski [20:51] humm thats a nice way to start with all the icons jumbled lol [20:51] intel?? [20:51] no [20:51] nvidia [20:51] motherboard has an nforce chipset [20:52] and video is an 8800gt [20:54] now this is getting annoying i have half the icons smashed up near the left side of the bottom panel like the cclock and other icons [20:54] and i cant remove any spacers [20:54] uhoh [20:55] well im impressed that i can stil boot onto my machine lol [20:55] * BluesKaj stares at the Update manager and wonders [20:55] BluesKaj: do you have your data backed up [20:56] BluesKaj: Karmic is NOT RELEASED and may break your system if you use it [20:56] yeah , it's all on W7 :) [20:56] on the same machine lol [20:56] you are kinda playing with fire that way [20:56] if you fudge up grub you have a mission control we have a problem style problem [20:57] not really , I also use wife's pc for the real essential media stuff [20:57] im seeming to make this even worse [20:57] lol [20:58] I have grub disks and gparted , between them i can setup and reinstall mostly anything [20:58] this like atoy in some ways but i do get frustrated if stuff freezes [21:00] nice [21:00] and i fixed the panel issue [21:04] grr, stupid hal... doesn't realize eSATA is hotpluggable. [21:12] whats the name of the widget to switch between multiple desktops [21:13] eagles0513875: workspace switcher? [21:14] ty rob [21:14] interesting im trying to add that widget and its not in the list [21:14] robin0800: its called pager which is rather a confusing name to use to be honest [21:15] eagles0513875: not in ubuntu its not [21:18] im on kubuntu [21:18] now im still having issues movign stuff to the other side of the panel [21:20] yeah , it's sort of hit and miss on jaunty , one never knows if moving icons will work ...using the widgets panel seems to make things work better [21:21] eagles0513875: perhaps perhaps ask in #kubuntu [21:21] robin0800: this is karmic that im on i think we are all in one room [21:22] * BluesKaj gets adventurous and installs Karmic ...always thought that jaunty name was lame anyway :) [21:22] eagles0513875: Yes but what your asking is kde [21:22] robin0800: they will send me back in here [21:23] ill figure it out [21:23] i think its a sign i need to hit the sack [21:23] news about 10.04 Leaky Leopard ? [21:23] yay for BluesKaj [21:23] BUGabundo1, howdy :) [21:24] upgrades coming down the pipe as we speak [21:24] channel ubuntu+2 [21:24] ? [21:24] slipttees: rofl [21:25] i hope [21:26] BluesKaj: on this laptop kubuntu karmic installed but the update to kde 4.3 beta 1 completly stopped it back on ubuntu now [21:27] what repo is 4.3 [21:27] in [21:27] ya upgrade to upgraded packages taht i updated are coming down my pipe line [21:32] night [21:33] nite eagles0513875 [22:02] well, karmic installed ok, but the wifi needs some help , prolly ndiswrapper again [22:02] BluesKaj: what card? [22:03] ndis project seems to be close to dead! [22:04] Belkin USB adapter , we ran out of router ports so i use this on my pc when kids are visiting [22:05] uses the rt2870 driver I think [22:05] I used one of those and it worked out of the boz [22:05] ahhhh [22:05] rt [22:05] wonderfull [22:17] gents: start your engines: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/sprints/uds-karmic [22:22] * ienorand is opening 26 new tabs [22:23] ienorand: I filed a bug on LP to improve the way we can subsc to blueprints and bugs [22:23] without getting carpic syndrom [22:23] woo hoo, on karmic now! :) [22:23] yoasif: Good so far? [22:23] yoasif: welcome [22:24] ienorand: seems the same as jaunty so far, except that my wifi light on my laptop works now :) [22:24] hheh [22:24]