[01:06] <Viper550> dashua, well, you can help with artwork
[01:07] <SiDi> Don't steal my dashua ! :O
[01:41] <SiDi> Night people
[01:53] <Viper550> heck did some tango-esque bowling pin graphics
[03:25] <Viper550> and http://bayimg.com/image/fapnkaabl.jpg
[03:26] <Viper550> hey
[09:40] <SiDi> hello
[13:28] <SiDi> anyone here working on breathe ?
[13:36] <dashua> Dell Mini 9 shipped FINALLY. w00t.
[13:36] <dashua> They must have been swamped with orders.
[13:38] <SiDi> lol dashua :d
[13:38] <SiDi> enjoy
[13:39] <SiDi> (thats when u're happy to have negociated D+1 support)
[13:39] <dashua> Yeah, it worked.
[13:40] <dashua> I have my NBR USB loaded and ready to go.
[13:40] <dashua> or UNR whatever the abbreviation is.
[13:40] <SiDi> unr :p
[13:40] <SiDi> try xubuntu too ! :D
[13:41] <dashua> I will.
[13:55] <dashua> SiDi: Are you using Breathe from trunk?
[13:55] <dashua> Those navigation icons were fixed.
[13:55] <SiDi> not sure
[13:55] <SiDi> i think im on the repo
[13:55] <SiDi> oh damn
[13:55] <SiDi> i again sent an useless mail
[13:55] <dashua> I'll send you the new .deb
[13:55] <SiDi> alright, cheers :p
[13:57] <dashua> Check your gmail :)
[13:57] <SiDi> Thanks
[13:58] <dashua> Np
[13:59] <SiDi> yummie, folder icons are cleaner
[13:59] <dashua> Yeah
[14:16] <zniavre> i believed first screen shot as new feature
[14:16] <zniavre> it looks "nice"
[14:17] <zniavre> oops sorry
[14:17] <SiDi> hello zniavre ;)
[14:17] <zniavre> http://img30.imageshack.us/img30/6182/leftrightj.png
[14:17] <zniavre> salut SiDi
[14:17] <zniavre> i was reading your mail
[14:17] <SiDi> heh
[14:17] <SiDi> I personally don't like having a big left arrow everywhere
[14:18] <SiDi> even if in firefox it doesnt look bad
[14:20] <zniavre> a guy made a mockup with nautilus like that
[14:20] <zniavre> i would like to try if it's "usable"
[14:20] <SiDi> mockups often remain at the state of a nice gimp collage unfortunately :)
[14:21] <zniavre> remain > harraps mode ON
[14:22] <zniavre> yes ! taht s true
[14:22] <zniavre> th*
[14:35] <zniavre> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/Intrepid/Ubuntu_8.10_Theme_-_Art_Team?action=AttachFile&do=view&target=SampleNautilus.png
[14:35] <zniavre> was quite nice no?
[14:37] <SiDi> yeh :)
[14:37] <Viper550> yep
[14:37] <SiDi> thats the main problem of stuff such as gtk/qt, compared to windows's gui
[14:37] <Viper550> kinda reminds me of firefox
[14:38] <SiDi> since we want modulable things, we can't hardcode such stuff everywhere as they do
[14:38] <SiDi> but we can theme our GUIs :)
[14:39]  * SiDi goes back to his desperate project report..
[14:46] <Viper550> I'm kinda designing a UI for something http://bayimg.com/image/fapnkaabl.jpg
[14:48] <Viper550> hey
[15:22] <Viper550> andreasn, been kinda designing a UI for a project
[15:22] <andreasn> hi Viper550
[15:23] <Viper550> http://bayimg.com/image/fapnkaabl.jpg
[15:23] <andreasn> what is it for?
[15:23] <Viper550> https://launchpad.net/kba
[15:23] <Viper550> tis a mockup
[15:24] <andreasn> is it to be used in those monitoes you see in the bowling lane?
[15:24] <andreasn> monitors
[15:25] <thorwil> Viper550, why do you only use such a small part of the screen?
[15:25] <Viper550> andreasn, yeah. thorwil, this is only one player
[15:26] <thorwil> Viper550, needs more space between the 2 lines in the buttons
[15:26] <andreasn> Viper550, wow, cool challenge
[15:26] <thorwil> Viper550, "TOTAL" should line up with the "75"
[15:27] <Viper550> I just arranged it like this because I get sick and tired of getting my name reduced to 1 or 3 letters.
[15:27] <andreasn> how many players can there be in total?
[15:28] <Viper550> Maybe 6 per lane, but if we scale it correctly it could fit 12
[15:29] <thorwil> Viper550, you could gain  a lot my not sticking boxes into boxes. rely on whitespace for separation and maybe lines if really needed
[15:30] <Viper550> okay, let's see how my rivals do it. qubicaamf... http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_ir1CmpeK8ag/SDDHhPAU3jI/AAAAAAAAAGs/cHaUJ0w0o3U/s400/BowlingScore.JPG
[15:30] <Viper550> their's has this stupid thing that literally STRETCHES the active bowler name in a very horrid looking look
[15:31] <Viper550> they can scale their rows, I saw screenshot of it with 12 players loaded in.
[15:32] <Viper550> http://www.kwib.de/highscore.gif the newer Brunswick Vector...is
[15:33] <thorwil> cool, looks 20 years old
[15:33] <Viper550> thorwil, http://lh3.ggpht.com/_yPD_ZiWcIDY/SIK5uU_PRMI/AAAAAAAAA7A/3NOtJd4zdtA/Bowling+Score.JPG and this is something I see alot in my town. two alleys in my area has this older AMF AccuScore
[15:34] <Viper550> and vector to me only looks about maybe 3 years :P
[15:35] <Viper550> though despite its dos-ish look, that one does has this cute effect for changing players. the highlighted row kinda drains its highlight, then fills in on the new player
[15:36] <thorwil> Viper550, anyway, i guess that you have to take crappy displays and bad viewing conditions into account. that means you should use minimal graphics
[15:36] <Viper550> But I don't wanna be too minimal
[15:37] <Viper550> let me see if I can pull up this YouTube video I saw with this Amiga-based one I have bowled on before
[15:43] <Viper550> and someone suggested I go for that HP Mi look
[15:54] <andreasn> thorwil, yeah, I think gradients are tricky on crappy displays like CRT TV's
[16:03] <Viper550> so, how should we go about this?
[16:03] <Viper550> note in 5-pin, you throw 3 balls
[16:06] <Viper550> andreasn, they are using LCD more now. Place I went to few weeks ago had HDTV's (though I swear it was probably an upconverted feed)
[16:22] <Viper550> so, got any influence I could use?
[16:26] <Viper550> I am thinking of either using a Tango style or Breathe in the manager UI
[16:41] <andreasn> the manager UI is a totally different UI to use on regular desktop machines?
[16:42] <Viper550> andreasn, yeah,
[16:42] <Viper550> http://www.qubicaamf.com.ro/images/boss_schermate_2big.jpg this is what qubica's looks like, though we may try to stray towards Gnome HIG maybe
[16:43] <andreasn> wow, that looks,um, interesting
[16:43] <Viper550> it runs off Windows...
[16:43] <andreasn> touch screen UI?
[16:44] <Viper550> I think
[16:46] <andreasn> if you can make the buttons bigger at the expense of loosing some of the icons, I think you should do that
[16:47] <andreasn> the icons in that UI don't really convey anything special and forces the text to remain small
[16:47] <SiDi> though, icons are very practical for spotting an element on a crowded screen
[16:47] <SiDi> but its true on this UI they're useless
[16:47] <Viper550> and its a smaller screenshot
[16:47] <andreasn> well, the icons makes the screen crowded in themselves
[16:50] <Viper550> ours, will probably not have "as many" functions as Conqueror
[16:51] <Viper550> it'll probably have lane manager, league squad thing, setup, etc
[17:04] <Viper550> maybe an evolution-like design?
[17:09] <Viper550> as I read through the HIG
[19:46] <thorwil> kwwii, heh, looks what silly map the fedora guys use: http://fedoraproject.org/w/uploads/a/a2/Tours_Fedora11_001_Install_Timezone.png ;)
[20:06] <Viper550> thorwil, http://bayimg.com/image/hapapaabm.jpg
[20:06] <Viper550> improved a bit
[20:07] <thorwil> Viper550, make sure the numbers stand out. they shouldn't get in a fight with the edges
[20:08] <Viper550> I have to fit up to 3 digits in that total column
[20:09] <knome> Viper550, sure, but a bowling counter must be easily readable
[20:10] <Viper550> reduce the brightness of those borders?
[20:11] <knome> maybe add a bit more padding
[20:12] <Viper550> between score cards?
[20:12] <knome> between the numbers and the borders
[20:18] <Viper550> and should that status panel be at the top or bottom?
[20:20] <knome> i'm not sure. bottom looks good
[20:36] <Viper550> thorwil, wondering what kind of bowling I've specifically designed this for? (non-free plugin requiring site ahead)
[20:48] <Viper550> Anyway, I found out from email corrospondence, the old manager that the previous Joystick Scoring system used, was coded with Borland C++