=== micahg1 is now known as micahg [04:11] hggdh: ping [04:14] hi [04:14] Anybody here [04:17] just state your problem .. request and if anyone 'can' answer they will [04:18] why cant i download Google Earth or Skype via Terminal? [04:30] ethan: that's more of a support question, but here: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Medibuntu [05:30] hey micahg [05:34] hi pace_t_zulu [05:34] how're u doing? [05:35] ok [05:35] micahg: what is your launchpad username [05:35] micahg :) [05:35] why? [05:36] i googled 'micahg site:launchpad.net" and got nothing [05:36] that would be a bug with google :) [05:36] you've got some great karma my friend [05:37] a man with answers... [05:37] :) [05:37] That's where I started [05:37] and I moved into bugs === micahg1 is now known as micahg [05:53] pace_t_zulu: are you a member of bug control? [05:53] micahg: i don't think so [05:53] micahg: i think i'm just lowly BugSquad [05:54] ok [05:54] I need someone with triaged privs [05:54] micahg: sorry... i'm not it [05:58] ok [05:59] if you just post it n here [05:59] they will deal wth it when they see it [06:00] well I have a list of issues [06:00] so I'll jsut wait [06:14] micahg: What do you need? [06:20] Hew: I'm testing something else right now [06:20] will you be around for a little while? [06:21] micahg: I don't know, but I suggest you post whatever you need here so anyone able can help you with it. [06:22] micahg: It's hard to help with something we have no idea about. [06:22] it's ok [06:23] it can wait till morning [06:23] I have a list of issues I was going to go over with my mentor [06:27] ah ok [10:53] Hi, wan t to fix bug #370261 by specifying the mentioned flags in the makefile. Compiling with -D_FORTIFY_SOURCE=0 -fno-stack-protector makes the package work. (Have verified this on my own machine) However I am not a compiling expert are there any downsides of these arguments to the compiler? [10:53] Launchpad bug 370261 in nvram-wakeup "nvram-wakeup buffer overflow detected" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/370261 [10:54] I know it is only a temporary work around, but I think it is better to have a working package instead of a broken one... [10:55] Especially because this is often used for htpc recording stuff. Which will now not wakeup for the next recording. [10:57] Hey balachmar! :D [10:57] this channel is mainly about bug triaging [10:57] I suggest you visit #ubuntu-motu [10:57] for some packaging advice :) [10:57] ooh, ok! :) Thanks [10:58] Technically, this is compilation advice rather than packaging advice, but the same forum is probably useful :) [10:58] oh :S [10:59] but compiling is kind of packaging [10:59] because packaging involves makefiles also right? im probably wrong [10:59] but the motu will be able to help [10:59] bencrisford_, Well, it's more complicated than that, and depends on who you ask, and ... :) [10:59] But yes, the MOTU ought be able to help. [10:59] ok :) [11:00] already asked in motu :) [11:03] Note that sometimes discussion here gets quite technical, so it's never wrong to ask about a bug here, but if nobody responds, it can be worth asking elsewhere, just to get a different bunch of people. [11:03] ok :) [11:03] yeah [11:03] but this channel is technically about bug triaging [11:04] thats why its here [11:04] so people on here arent always expected to know [11:04] thats all i meant :) [11:16] no worries, I like being pointed the right way :) Glad that someone takes the time to do that. [11:16] :) [11:19] bencrisford_, Right. Some people might, some might not. There's a diverse mix of people here :) [11:19] bencrisford_, And pointing to #ubuntu-motu was definitely the right advice: I'm just noting that, depending on relative channel traffic, etc. sometimes this isn't a bad place for some discussions. [11:20] im not disputing that people on here would know [11:20] im just saying that people wouldnt be expected to [11:20] well not all people [11:20] because this is the triaging chat :) [11:20] And I completely agree :) [11:21] :) [11:23] persia: dont suppose you have a minute to review my bug-control application? [11:23] i sent it about a week ago, i have two responses - 1 indifferent and 1 positive [11:23] it'd be great if you could give me your opinion :) [11:28] bencrisford_, My apologies, but I've not been following your work closely. Based solely on your application, I'd have to send an indifferent response, and I suspect it would be better to give you feedback directly, rather than through the application. [11:29] ok [11:29] The work you've done is largely positive, and has benefited at least those bugs. [11:29] A couple areas in which I think you could improve: [11:29] ive learnt alot since i submitted my application [11:29] 1) Searching for more similar bugs when finding an issue [11:29] for example: the bluez bug is related to a complex set of issues, and isn't hardware specific, etc. [11:30] k... [11:30] There's already a bug about the gnome-user-share thing (being chased by Baptiste Mile-Mathias), to which I suspect that's a dupe, but being sure would require working with the submitter more. [11:30] 2) being more careful about slang [11:31] :S [11:31] oh? [11:31] In a few bugs, I see words with which I'm not overly familiar, although I can deduce the meaning in context. As many users (and developers) of Ubuntu only have English as a second, third, or even fourth language, it's especially important to be careful. [11:32] i am very careful about slang [11:32] but i often use complex words [11:32] such as wherefore, and furthermore [11:33] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kompozer/+bug/374062/comments/1 was the one that caught my ele especially. [11:33] Launchpad bug 374062 in kompozer "Can't edit while search dialog is open" [Wishlist,Confirmed] [11:34] s/ele/eye/ [11:34] ah [11:34] ill try not to use 'brill' again :) [11:34] but as i said; i learnt alot in the last week [11:35] And lastly, trying to look for alternate workarounds. There's a heap of known bugs that aren't easily solved (like the Broadcomm chipset stuff). [11:35] Many of these are documented in forums, etc. [11:36] While often the developers can determine the cause of a bug from the hardware data, etc., if it can be narrowed by trying a couple things, that can help verify it's part of something else. [11:36] (I guess this is part of #1 above, really). [11:36] yeah [11:37] But like I said at the beginning, you're definitely making the bugs show progress. [11:37] It might be just that the 5 bugs you selected are no longer your best, or similar. [11:38] If you don't get enough positive responses in another week or two, I'd suggest following up to the thread with an update: "I've learned a lot more about bug triage in the past few weeks, and I'd like to submit these 5 (different) candidates to demonstrate that and renew my application" or some such. [11:39] aah, I thought bencrisford_ had written a computer application to help with bugs... But it is an application to join bug-control :) [11:40] :) :P :) [11:41] persia: i have many more than 5 new ones at https://bugs.launchpad.net/bencrisford [11:41] if you want to see my latest work [11:41] its all there :) [11:42] bencrisford_, Hrm. I'm not familiar enough with current approval processes for bug-control to know if I'm supposed to consider that, unless I've been working with you directly. [11:43] you have been :) all this morning :P [11:43] You might ask someone more actively involved in bug-control. [11:43] ok [11:43] Well, yeah, but no on bugs :) [11:43] s/no/not/ [11:44] (and I'm trying to do something else, so not paying enough attention, except when I was reading your application) [11:45] ok === WelshDragon is now known as YDdraigGoch [14:28] Can somebody confirm bug 377395? Or help me to fix it? :) [14:28] Launchpad bug 377395 in udev "Karmic: encrypted root device (RAID+cryptsetup+LVM) gets not found" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/377395 === ejat is now known as e-jat [16:27] hi [16:27] I'm trying to get in touch with hew [16:28] anybody seen him? [16:28] trying to decide what to do with bug 342751 [16:28] Launchpad bug 342751 in wammu "Wammu crash" [Medium,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/342751 === kyselejsyrecek1 is now known as kyselejsyrecek === yofel_ is now known as yofel [18:21] anyone know where /etc/init.d/alsasound comes from, and whether it's likely to be from a third party package? [18:22] running dkpg -S... [18:22] it's not on my system [18:22] taking a while on mine [18:22] $ dpkg -S /etc/init.d/alsasound [18:22] dpkg: /etc/init.d/alsasound not found. [18:23] someone reported a bug about a really slow boot, and their bootchart shows that the boot hangs on running S08alsasound, but that doesn't exist on my system [18:23] yeah ask for a dpkg -L [18:23] and see if you find the origen [18:23] i dont have alsa [18:23] i use pulseaudio [18:23] yeah, i think i'll do that [18:27] Should these kinds of build errors be reported as bugs, or are there sufficient alarms in place for the right people to notice them anyway? [18:27] https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/lablgl/1.04-2/ [18:27] Doesn't exist in 8.04, either. and a package search doesn't find it using https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+search?text=alsasound [18:28] the name is not strange to me though [18:28] * charlie-tca wonders what version of Ubuntu that is? [18:30] No, but if alsasound is 7.10, it won't show up anymore [18:30] charlie-tca, BUGabundo - thanks. i commented on the bug report to try and find out where the file comes from. [18:43] chrisccoulson: / BUGabundo: alsasound is shipped in upstream alsa-driver [18:44] chrisccoulson: / BUGabundo: we do not ship it in either Debian or Ubuntu [18:44] hi [18:44] chrisccoulson: / BUGabundo: we have a separate script (Debian ships it in /usr/sbin/alsa; Ubuntu ships it in /sbin/alsa) [18:44] can any1help me fix my soundcard ? [18:45] bencrisford__: you have alsa as well as pulseaudio. [18:45] charlie-tca: ^ regarding upstream alsa-driver [18:45] yes [18:45] dtchen: yeah i said wrong thing [18:45] what i meant was [18:45] i use esound [18:45] :) [18:46] lol [18:46] my soundcard is dead [18:46] lol [18:46] i am searching for a solution over 3 days now [18:46] :( [18:46] dtchen: but alsasound won't show up in package searches? [18:46] Vittorio: this really isn't a support channel per se. please use #ubuntu or #ubuntu-audio-help [18:46] * bencrisford__ hugs vittorio [18:46] charlie-tca: it won't, because we don't install it. [18:47] Thanks [18:47] any bugs that reference alsasound need to be invalidated === kyselejsyrecek1 is now known as kyselejsyrecek [19:14] dtchen - thanks. so the user with the slow boot has probably installed the upstream alsa driver? [19:15] chrisccoulson: yes, and forgotten to rm /etc/init.d/alsasound [19:15] chrisccoulson: however, i have not read the bug report (which one? no backscroll here) [19:16] ah, 1 second [19:16] it's bug 376375 [19:16] Launchpad bug 376375 in ubuntu "Ubuntu takes long to boot" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/376375 [19:16] you can't see S08alsasound on the graphical bootchart, but you can see it if you look in the tar file attached to the bug report [19:18] hmm? it's in the graphical bootchart, too [19:19] i probably need to zoom in further ;) [19:20] (& triaged) === micahg1 is now known as micahg [19:49] dtchen: o meu ubuntu 9.04 não dá som podes me ajudar? [19:50] VilasBoas1: english please [19:50] dtchen: ping. can you help VilasBoas1 debug his audio prob? [19:51] BUGabundo1: if there's an existing bug report, perhaps [19:51] dtchen: Hy my ubuntu 9.04 i386 doesn't make sond can you help me? [19:51] dtchen: still no bug.. I'll ask it [19:52] VilasBoas1: please open a terminal, and run : ubuntu-bug alsa-base [19:52] then paste here the bug report link, ok? [19:57] dtchen: http://paste.ubuntu.com/174466/ [19:57] VilasBoas1: the LP link [19:58] not a pastebin [19:58] ehehe [19:58] I got a apport bug [19:58] LOL [19:58] IOError: [Errno 2] Ficheiro ou directoria inexistente: '/proc/asound/cards' [19:58] I actually like this [19:59] VilasBoas1: guess we need to do this the old way [19:59] i'm guessing that's akin to "No such file or directory"? [20:00] VilasBoas1: download http://www.alsa-project.org/alsa-info.sh [20:00] my .pt is nonexistent [20:00] dtchen: yep [20:00] sigh, i had better fix the apport hook [20:00] eheh [20:00] BUGabundo1: i can't find the lp link [20:01] VilasBoas1: wait. you found another bug [20:01] VilasBoas1: download http://www.alsa-project.org/alsa-info.sh [20:01] ĩ reported but i can't find the link [20:01] then chmod it : $ chmod a+x alsa-info.sh [20:01] VilasBoas1: it never run... it failed with that error [20:08] BUGabundo1: o you want to run this script? [y/n] : read: 365: Illegal option -e [20:08] ????????? [20:08] VilasBoas1: you need to use bash [20:09] VilasBoas1: after chmod, on a terminal run: [20:09] . /alsa-info.sh [20:09] ./alsa-info.sh [20:09] Do you want to run this script? [y/n] : y [20:09] cat: /proc/asound/version: No such file or directory [20:09] grep: /proc/asound/cards: No such file or directory [20:09] cat: /proc/asound/cards: No such file or directory [20:09] cat: /proc/asound/modules: No such file or directory [20:10] lovely. we'll do it manually, then. [20:10] now I know why you have no sound [20:10] eheh [20:10] lspci -nv|grep -A1 040[13] [20:10] VilasBoas1: for long outpus use pastebin [20:13] BUGabundo1: http://paste.ubuntu.com/174471/ [20:13] VilasBoas1: not me... dtchen [20:13] ok [20:13] err [20:13] at least there's a link for the script [20:13] dtchen: http://paste.ubuntu.com/174471/ can you please help me [20:13] there are no sound modules at all [20:13] http://www.alsa-project.org/db/?f=2d9715abd8bf76140715821ef3040414695ae66b [20:14] sudo apt-get --reinstall install linux-image-$(uname -r) [20:14] BUGabundo1: / VilasBoas1: this is more suited for #ubuntu or #ubuntu-audio-help [20:15] dtchen: tanks [20:15] yeah dtchen.... lets meet on #ubuntu-audio-help [20:23] dtchen: sorry after reinstalling the linux generic my ATI grafic crached [20:24] i will need to reinstall everything [20:24] dtchen: thanks for your help ;) [20:25] mmkay [20:25] VilasBoas: go to #ubuntu-audio-help === yoasif_ is now known as yoasif === edson is now known as epcanto === epcanto is now known as edson === edson is now known as epcanto === epcanto is now known as edson === micahg1 is now known as micahg === micahg1 is now known as micahg === paul_ is now known as Elbrus === micahg1 is now known as micahg === BUGabundo1 is now known as BUGabundo [23:00] Anybody noticed bug 354995 [23:00] Launchpad bug 354995 in brasero "Brasero Checksum Error" [Low,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/354995 [23:02] If I recall correctly the package was updated, but it throws those errors. I guess it doesn't provide much confidence when it errors. [23:20] hi === andre__ is now known as andre_k === micahg1 is now known as micahg