[04:11] <micahg> hggdh: ping
[04:14] <ethan> hi
[04:14] <ethan> Anybody here
[04:17] <pperera> just state your problem .. request and if anyone 'can' answer they will
[04:18] <ethan> why cant i download Google Earth or Skype via Terminal?
[04:30] <micahg> ethan: that's more of a support question, but here: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Medibuntu
[05:30] <pace_t_zulu> hey micahg
[05:34] <micahg> hi pace_t_zulu
[05:34] <pace_t_zulu> how're u doing?
[05:35] <micahg> ok
[05:35] <pace_t_zulu> micahg: what is your launchpad username
[05:35] <micahg> micahg :)
[05:35] <micahg> why?
[05:36] <pace_t_zulu> i googled 'micahg site:launchpad.net" and got nothing
[05:36] <micahg> that would be a bug with google :)
[05:36] <pace_t_zulu> you've got some great karma my friend
[05:37] <pace_t_zulu> a man with answers...
[05:37] <micahg> :)
[05:37] <micahg> That's where I started
[05:37] <micahg> and I moved into bugs
[05:53] <micahg> pace_t_zulu: are you a member of bug control?
[05:53] <pace_t_zulu> micahg: i don't think so
[05:53] <pace_t_zulu> micahg: i think i'm just lowly BugSquad
[05:54] <micahg> ok
[05:54] <micahg> I need someone with triaged privs
[05:54] <pace_t_zulu> micahg: sorry... i'm not it
[05:58] <micahg> ok
[05:59] <darizzle> if you just post it n here
[05:59] <darizzle> they will deal wth it when they see it
[06:00] <micahg> well I have a list of issues
[06:00] <micahg> so I'll jsut wait
[06:14] <Hew> micahg: What do you need?
[06:20] <micahg> Hew: I'm testing something else right now
[06:20] <micahg> will you be around for a little while?
[06:21] <Hew> micahg: I don't know, but I suggest you post whatever you need here so anyone able can help you with it.
[06:22] <Hew> micahg: It's hard to help with something we have no idea about.
[06:22] <micahg> it's ok
[06:23] <micahg> it can wait till morning
[06:23] <micahg> I have a list of issues I was going to go over with my mentor
[06:27] <Hew> ah ok
[10:53] <balachmar> Hi, wan t to fix bug #370261 by specifying the mentioned flags in the makefile. Compiling with -D_FORTIFY_SOURCE=0 -fno-stack-protector makes the package work. (Have verified this on my own machine) However I am not a compiling expert are there any downsides of these arguments to the compiler?
[10:53] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 370261 in nvram-wakeup "nvram-wakeup  buffer overflow detected" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/370261
[10:54] <balachmar> I know it is only a temporary work around, but I think it is better to have a working package instead of a broken one...
[10:55] <balachmar> Especially because this is often used for htpc recording stuff. Which will now not wakeup for the next recording.
[10:57] <bencrisford_> Hey balachmar! :D
[10:57] <bencrisford_> this channel is mainly about bug triaging
[10:57] <bencrisford_> I suggest you visit #ubuntu-motu
[10:57] <bencrisford_> for some packaging advice :)
[10:57] <balachmar> ooh, ok! :) Thanks
[10:58] <persia> Technically, this is compilation advice rather than packaging advice, but the same forum is probably useful :)
[10:58] <bencrisford_> oh :S
[10:59] <bencrisford_> but compiling is kind of packaging
[10:59] <bencrisford_> because packaging involves makefiles also right?  im probably wrong
[10:59] <bencrisford_> but the motu will be able to help
[10:59] <persia> bencrisford_, Well, it's more complicated than that, and depends on who you ask, and ... :)
[10:59] <persia> But yes, the MOTU ought be able to help.
[10:59] <bencrisford_> ok :)
[11:00] <balachmar> already asked in motu :)
[11:03] <persia> Note that sometimes discussion here gets quite technical, so it's never wrong to ask about a bug here, but if nobody responds, it can be worth asking elsewhere, just to get a different bunch of people.
[11:03] <bencrisford_> ok :)
[11:03] <bencrisford_> yeah
[11:03] <bencrisford_> but this channel is technically about bug triaging
[11:04] <bencrisford_> thats why its here
[11:04] <bencrisford_> so people on here arent always expected to know
[11:04] <bencrisford_> thats all i meant :)
[11:16] <balachmar> no worries, I like being pointed the right way :) Glad that someone takes the time to do that.
[11:16] <bencrisford_> :)
[11:19] <persia> bencrisford_, Right.  Some people might, some might not.  There's a diverse mix of people here :)
[11:19] <persia> bencrisford_, And pointing to #ubuntu-motu was definitely the right advice: I'm just noting that, depending on relative channel traffic, etc. sometimes this isn't a bad place for some discussions.
[11:20] <bencrisford_> im not disputing that people on here would know
[11:20] <bencrisford_> im just saying that people wouldnt be expected to
[11:20] <bencrisford_> well not all people
[11:20] <bencrisford_> because this is the triaging chat :)
[11:20] <persia> And I completely agree :)
[11:21] <bencrisford_> :)
[11:23] <bencrisford_> persia: dont suppose you have a minute to review my bug-control application?
[11:23] <bencrisford_> i sent it about a week ago, i have two responses -  1 indifferent and 1 positive
[11:23] <bencrisford_> it'd be great if you could give me your opinion :)
[11:28] <persia> bencrisford_, My apologies, but I've not been following your work closely.  Based solely on your application, I'd have to send an indifferent response, and I suspect it would be better to give you feedback directly, rather than through the application.
[11:29] <bencrisford_> ok
[11:29] <persia> The work you've done is largely positive, and has benefited at least those bugs.
[11:29] <persia> A couple areas in which I think you could improve:
[11:29] <bencrisford_> ive learnt alot since i submitted my application
[11:29] <persia> 1) Searching for more similar bugs when finding an issue
[11:29] <persia> for example: the bluez bug is related to a complex set of issues, and isn't hardware specific, etc.
[11:30] <bencrisford_> k...
[11:30] <persia> There's already a bug about the gnome-user-share thing (being chased by Baptiste Mile-Mathias), to which I suspect that's a dupe, but being sure would require working with the submitter more.
[11:30] <persia> 2) being more careful about slang
[11:31] <bencrisford_> :S
[11:31] <bencrisford_> oh?
[11:31] <persia> In a few bugs, I see words with which I'm not overly familiar, although I can deduce the meaning in context.  As many users (and developers) of Ubuntu only have English as a second, third, or even fourth language, it's especially important to be careful.
[11:32] <bencrisford_> i am very careful about slang
[11:32] <bencrisford_> but i often use complex words
[11:32] <bencrisford_> such as wherefore, and furthermore
[11:33] <persia> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kompozer/+bug/374062/comments/1 was the one that caught my ele especially.
[11:33] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 374062 in kompozer "Can't edit while search dialog is open" [Wishlist,Confirmed]
[11:34] <persia> s/ele/eye/
[11:34] <bencrisford_> ah
[11:34] <bencrisford_> ill try not to use 'brill' again :)
[11:34] <bencrisford_> but as i said; i learnt alot in the last week
[11:35] <persia> And lastly, trying to look for alternate workarounds.  There's a heap of known bugs that aren't easily solved (like the Broadcomm chipset stuff).
[11:35] <persia> Many of these are documented in forums, etc.
[11:36] <persia> While often the developers can determine the cause of a bug from the hardware data, etc., if it can be narrowed by trying a couple things, that can help verify it's part of something else.
[11:36] <persia> (I guess this is part of #1 above, really).
[11:36] <bencrisford_> yeah
[11:37] <persia> But like I said at the beginning, you're definitely making the bugs show progress.
[11:37] <persia> It might be just that the 5 bugs you selected are no longer your best, or similar.
[11:38] <persia> If you don't get enough positive responses in another week or two, I'd suggest following up to the thread with an update: "I've learned a lot more about bug triage in the past few weeks, and I'd like to submit these 5 (different) candidates to demonstrate that and renew my application" or some such.
[11:39] <balachmar> aah, I thought bencrisford_ had written a computer application to help with bugs... But it is an application to join bug-control :)
[11:40] <bencrisford_> :) :P :)
[11:41] <bencrisford_> persia: i have many more than 5 new ones at https://bugs.launchpad.net/bencrisford
[11:41] <bencrisford_> if you want to see my latest work
[11:41] <bencrisford_> its all there :)
[11:42] <persia> bencrisford_, Hrm.  I'm not familiar enough with current approval processes for bug-control to know if I'm supposed to consider that, unless I've been working with you directly.
[11:43] <bencrisford_> you have been :) all this morning :P
[11:43] <persia> You might ask someone more actively involved in bug-control.
[11:43] <bencrisford_> ok
[11:43] <persia> Well, yeah, but no on bugs :)
[11:43] <persia> s/no/not/
[11:44] <persia> (and I'm trying to do something else, so not paying enough attention, except when I was reading your application)
[11:45] <bencrisford_> ok
[14:28] <blueyed> Can somebody confirm bug 377395? Or help me to fix it? :)
[14:28] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 377395 in udev "Karmic: encrypted root device (RAID+cryptsetup+LVM) gets not found" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/377395
[16:27] <BUGabundo> hi
[16:27] <BUGabundo> I'm trying to get in touch with hew
[16:28] <BUGabundo> anybody seen him?
[16:28] <BUGabundo> trying to decide what to do with bug 342751
[16:28] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 342751 in wammu "Wammu crash" [Medium,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/342751
[18:21] <chrisccoulson> anyone know where /etc/init.d/alsasound comes from, and whether it's likely to be from a third party package?
[18:22] <BUGabundo> running dkpg -S...
[18:22] <chrisccoulson> it's not on my system
[18:22] <BUGabundo> taking a while on mine
[18:22] <BUGabundo> $ dpkg -S  /etc/init.d/alsasound
[18:22] <BUGabundo> dpkg: /etc/init.d/alsasound not found.
[18:23] <chrisccoulson> someone reported a bug about a really slow boot, and their bootchart shows that the boot hangs on running S08alsasound, but that doesn't exist on my system
[18:23] <BUGabundo> yeah ask for a dpkg -L
[18:23] <BUGabundo> and see if you find the origen
[18:23] <bencrisford__> i dont have alsa
[18:23] <bencrisford__> i use pulseaudio
[18:23] <chrisccoulson> yeah, i think i'll do that
[18:27] <andol> Should these kinds of build errors be reported as bugs, or are there sufficient alarms in place for the right people to notice them anyway?
[18:27] <andol> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/lablgl/1.04-2/
[18:27] <charlie-tca> Doesn't exist in 8.04, either. and a package search doesn't find it using https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+search?text=alsasound
[18:28] <BUGabundo> the name is not strange to me though
[18:28]  * charlie-tca wonders what version of Ubuntu that is?
[18:30] <charlie-tca> No, but if alsasound is 7.10, it won't show up anymore
[18:30] <chrisccoulson> charlie-tca, BUGabundo - thanks. i commented on the bug report to try and find out where the file comes from.
[18:43] <dtchen> chrisccoulson: / BUGabundo: alsasound is shipped in upstream alsa-driver
[18:44] <dtchen> chrisccoulson: / BUGabundo: we do not ship it in either Debian or Ubuntu
[18:44] <Vittorio> hi
[18:44] <dtchen> chrisccoulson: / BUGabundo: we have a separate script (Debian ships it in /usr/sbin/alsa; Ubuntu ships it in /sbin/alsa)
[18:44] <Vittorio> can any1help me fix my soundcard ?
[18:45] <dtchen> bencrisford__: you have alsa as well as pulseaudio.
[18:45] <dtchen> charlie-tca: ^ regarding upstream alsa-driver
[18:45] <Vittorio> yes
[18:45] <bencrisford__> dtchen: yeah i said wrong thing
[18:45] <bencrisford__> what i meant was
[18:45] <bencrisford__> i use esound
[18:45] <bencrisford__> :)
[18:46] <Vittorio> lol
[18:46] <Vittorio> my soundcard is dead
[18:46] <bencrisford__> lol
[18:46] <Vittorio> i am searching for a solution over 3 days now
[18:46] <bencrisford__> :(
[18:46] <charlie-tca> dtchen: but alsasound won't show up in package searches?
[18:46] <dtchen> Vittorio: this really isn't a support channel per se. please use #ubuntu or #ubuntu-audio-help
[18:46]  * bencrisford__ hugs vittorio
[18:46] <dtchen> charlie-tca: it won't, because we don't install it.
[18:47] <charlie-tca> Thanks
[18:47] <dtchen> any bugs that reference alsasound need to be invalidated
[19:14] <chrisccoulson> dtchen - thanks. so the user with the slow boot has probably installed the upstream alsa driver?
[19:15] <dtchen> chrisccoulson: yes, and forgotten to rm /etc/init.d/alsasound
[19:15] <dtchen> chrisccoulson: however, i have not read the bug report (which one? no backscroll here)
[19:16] <chrisccoulson> ah, 1 second
[19:16] <chrisccoulson> it's bug 376375
[19:16] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 376375 in ubuntu "Ubuntu takes long to boot" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/376375
[19:16] <chrisccoulson> you can't see S08alsasound on the graphical bootchart, but you can see it if you look in the tar file attached to the bug report
[19:18] <dtchen> hmm? it's in the graphical bootchart, too
[19:19] <chrisccoulson> i probably need to zoom in further ;)
[19:20] <dtchen> (& triaged)
[19:49] <VilasBoas1> dtchen: o meu ubuntu 9.04 não dá som podes me ajudar?
[19:50] <BUGabundo1> VilasBoas1: english please
[19:50] <BUGabundo1> dtchen: ping. can you help VilasBoas1 debug his audio prob?
[19:51] <dtchen> BUGabundo1: if there's an existing bug report, perhaps
[19:51] <VilasBoas1> dtchen: Hy my ubuntu 9.04 i386 doesn't make sond can you help me?
[19:51] <BUGabundo1> dtchen: still no bug.. I'll ask it
[19:52] <BUGabundo1> VilasBoas1: please open a terminal, and run : ubuntu-bug alsa-base
[19:52] <BUGabundo1> then paste here the bug report link, ok?
[19:57] <VilasBoas1> dtchen: http://paste.ubuntu.com/174466/
[19:57] <BUGabundo1> VilasBoas1: the LP link
[19:58] <BUGabundo1> not a pastebin
[19:58] <BUGabundo1> ehehe
[19:58] <BUGabundo1> I got a apport bug
[19:58] <BUGabundo1> LOL
[19:58] <BUGabundo1> IOError: [Errno 2] Ficheiro ou directoria inexistente: '/proc/asound/cards'
[19:58] <BUGabundo1> I actually like this
[19:59] <BUGabundo1> VilasBoas1: guess we need to do this the old way
[19:59] <dtchen> i'm guessing that's akin to "No such file or directory"?
[20:00] <BUGabundo1> VilasBoas1: download http://www.alsa-project.org/alsa-info.sh
[20:00] <dtchen> my .pt is nonexistent
[20:00] <BUGabundo1> dtchen: yep
[20:00] <dtchen> sigh, i had better fix the apport hook
[20:00] <BUGabundo1> eheh
[20:00] <VilasBoas1> BUGabundo1: i can't find the lp link
[20:01] <BUGabundo1> VilasBoas1: wait. you found another bug
[20:01] <BUGabundo1> VilasBoas1: download http://www.alsa-project.org/alsa-info.sh
[20:01] <VilasBoas1> ĩ reported but i can't find the link
[20:01] <BUGabundo1> then chmod it : $ chmod a+x alsa-info.sh
[20:01] <BUGabundo1> VilasBoas1: it never run... it failed with that error
[20:08] <VilasBoas1> BUGabundo1: o you want to run this script? [y/n] : read: 365: Illegal option -e
[20:08] <VilasBoas1> ?????????
[20:08] <dtchen> VilasBoas1: you need to use bash
[20:09] <BUGabundo1> VilasBoas1: after chmod, on a terminal run:
[20:09] <BUGabundo1> . /alsa-info.sh
[20:09] <BUGabundo1>  ./alsa-info.sh
[20:09] <VilasBoas1> Do you want to run this script? [y/n] : y
[20:09] <VilasBoas1> cat: /proc/asound/version: No such file or directory
[20:09] <VilasBoas1> grep: /proc/asound/cards: No such file or directory
[20:09] <VilasBoas1> cat: /proc/asound/cards: No such file or directory
[20:09] <VilasBoas1> cat: /proc/asound/modules: No such file or directory
[20:10] <dtchen> lovely. we'll do it manually, then.
[20:10] <BUGabundo1> now I know why you have no sound
[20:10] <BUGabundo1> eheh
[20:10] <dtchen> lspci -nv|grep -A1 040[13]
[20:10] <BUGabundo1> VilasBoas1: for long outpus use pastebin
[20:13] <VilasBoas1> BUGabundo1: http://paste.ubuntu.com/174471/
[20:13] <BUGabundo1> VilasBoas1: not me... dtchen
[20:13] <VilasBoas1> ok
[20:13] <dtchen> err
[20:13] <BUGabundo1> at least there's a link for the script
[20:13] <VilasBoas1> dtchen: http://paste.ubuntu.com/174471/ can you please help me
[20:13] <dtchen> there are no sound modules at all
[20:13] <BUGabundo1> http://www.alsa-project.org/db/?f=2d9715abd8bf76140715821ef3040414695ae66b
[20:14] <dtchen> sudo apt-get --reinstall install linux-image-$(uname -r)
[20:14] <dtchen> BUGabundo1: / VilasBoas1: this is more suited for #ubuntu or #ubuntu-audio-help
[20:15] <VilasBoas1> dtchen: tanks
[20:15] <BUGabundo1> yeah dtchen.... lets meet on #ubuntu-audio-help
[20:23] <VilasBoas> dtchen: sorry after reinstalling the linux generic my ATI grafic crached
[20:24] <VilasBoas> i will need to reinstall everything
[20:24] <VilasBoas> dtchen: thanks for your help ;)
[20:25] <dtchen> mmkay
[20:25] <BUGabundo1> VilasBoas: go to #ubuntu-audio-help
[23:00] <vocx> Anybody noticed bug 354995
[23:00] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 354995 in brasero "Brasero Checksum Error" [Low,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/354995
[23:02] <vocx> If I recall correctly the package was updated, but it throws those errors. I guess it doesn't provide much confidence when it errors.
[23:20] <YoBoY> hi