[00:06] <firsm> Mmh, the "back button" in firefox doesn't work in jaunty anymore, it's greyed out. any ideas?
[00:07] <SiDi> works very well here
[00:07] <firsm> yeah stopped working today, which is 1 day after upgrade
[00:07] <knome> firsm, you are at the first page?
[00:07] <knome> :P
[00:07] <SiDi> not directly linked to upgrade imo firsm
[00:07] <SiDi> its pretty much the same version
[00:08] <firsm> knome: No I am not.
[00:08] <knome> firsm, do you run any plugins?
[00:08] <firsm> knome: nope, except for the stuff that came with ubuntu
[00:08] <firsm> if I right-click on the back button, I can see the history, but it's still greyed out
[00:09] <knome> firsm, what happens if you run "firefox -safe-mode" from terminal?
[00:09] <knome> (after closing all firefox windows)
[00:09] <firsm> knome: then it works again
[00:10] <knome> firsm, close all windows again and start firefox again
[00:10] <SiDi> its a session problem
[00:10] <knome> firsm, what happens then?
[00:10] <SiDi> (kill any firefox window till "pgrep firefox" returns nothing, even)
[00:10] <firsm> knome: Mmh, after running it in safemode, it works again... hmm weird, thanks
[00:10] <knome> np.
[00:10] <SiDi> (also, you can browse about:config but i'm not sure which value manages this)
[00:10] <firsm> I think these days ff is just more broken than IE
[00:11] <SiDi> nah
[00:12] <firsm> I'd like to use opera if they had 64bit qt4 builds :(
[00:34] <artistxe> chrome is supposed to be ready by June (for linux)
[00:34] <firsm> mmh, that's good
[00:35] <artistxe> other than that there is opera. which is supposed to be better than firefox.
[00:36] <SiDi> supposed *
[00:36] <firsm> which I just mentioned
[00:36] <firsm> there are not qt4 builds for amd64 yet
[00:37] <SiDi> Opera has _the_ rendering engine, but its qt :[ and still no support for extensions :p
[00:37]  * SiDi brbs with ff 3.6
[00:37] <firsm> actually, I don't mind qt anymore (since qgtkstyle)
[00:37] <firsm> I tried opera a while back and it didn't crash as often as firefox, but I don't want qt3 (only option for amd64)
[00:38]  * artistxe tries out opera for first time right now
[00:38] <firsm> SiDi: Hmm? Opera does have support for extensions?!
[00:39] <SiDi> They do ?
[00:39] <SiDi> As well as ff's sexy extensions ? :P
[00:39] <firsm> SiDi: yes, since 1999 or something like that
[00:39] <SiDi> huh
[00:39] <SiDi> ive been using opera for a while
[00:39] <SiDi> when i say extensions i mean extensions :p
[00:39] <SiDi> Where is adblock for opera ? :p
[00:40] <SiDi> (and i know they got an adblocking tool since ages but it cant sync to a list, thus sucks :p)
[00:40] <firsm> it's built in
[00:40] <firsm> bookmark synchro is built in too
[00:41] <artistxe> does not seem much faster than my tweaked firefox .
[00:41] <artistxe> SiDi : adblocking ? you do not use hosts file ?
[00:42] <firsm> or use privoxy
[00:42] <artistxe> yes
[01:01] <jacobu> How can I make the volume icon in the top right of the screen display a volume control on left click (like in gnome) instead of opening xfce4-mixer?
[01:04] <SiDi> you can't :p
[01:04] <SiDi> but if you install xfapplet you can use gnome's one
[01:04] <jacobu> NOOOOO!!!!
[01:04] <jacobu> oh
[01:04] <SiDi> !info xfce4-goodies-xfapplet
[01:04] <SiDi> failure.
[01:04] <jacobu> well shucks
[01:04] <jacobu> Are there any window manager-independent solutions?
[01:04] <SiDi> xfce4-xfapplet-plugin
[01:05] <SiDi> I don't think so.
[01:05] <jacobu> or that
[01:05] <SiDi> You can scroll up/down the mixer icon by the way.
[01:05] <jacobu> oh, didn't know that
[01:05] <jacobu> thanks
[01:05] <SiDi> ;)
[01:05] <SiDi> you'll see how faster to manage it is than *clicking*
[01:05] <jacobu> Still a little new to xfce, appreciate the support
[01:05] <SiDi> you're welcome
[01:06] <Rolaulten> Heya, I just got round to updating my desktop to 9.04...and I've run into a couple blips. The first is I can find no way to edit the contux menu's (on the desktop and such). Also (And I dont remember how I did this) holding down buttons 1 and 2 on my mouse would activate auto scrolling (in Firefox) or the compiz cube, now its just contex menu's...
[01:07] <SiDi> http://wiki.xfce.org/howto/customize-menu Rolaulten
[01:07] <SiDi> menu editor should hopefully land for xfce 4.8
[01:08] <Rolaulten> Ok...thanks. dont know how I've missed that...
[01:13] <SiDi> You're welcome
[01:38] <MoonTiger> hi :)
[01:41] <SiDi> Hi
[03:11] <Jeepste1>  hit there
[03:11] <Jeepste1> oops hi :)
[03:13] <Jeepste1> trying to install Ubuntu /Xubuntu.. tried safe graphics mode... screen goes to cursor then blank
[03:21] <zoredache> how much memory does your system have?
[03:21] <Jeepste1> 2Gig
[03:22] <zoredache> ah... insufficient ram would cause a black screen but 2gb is more then enough
[03:23] <Jeepste1> I tried Ctrl+alt+F1 too.. screen went blank too
[03:39] <Jeepste1> quiet here... all must be asleep
[04:18] <anom01y> how do I get kde 3.5 apps for xubuntu 9.04 ?     like the old konqueror, and adept_manager ect ect..
[04:31] <Jeepste1> trying to install Ubuntu /Xubuntu.. tried safe graphics mode... screen goes to cursor then blank.. changed CD and CDRom now have flashing out of range on monitor
[04:49] <anom01y> is ther any way I can install kde 3.5 in xubuntu 9.04 ?
[05:17] <dylan_> hi guys, I just installed xubuntu 9.04, I have a nvidia  8800 gt and a monitor that is capapble of 1280 x 1024, but, for some reason, the highest resolution in nvidia's settings is 1024x768, aside from some obscure widescreen formats.   How can I force 1280x 1024 ?
[05:42] <dylan_> anyone know how I can force 1280 x 1024 resolution,
[05:42] <dylan_> in windows xp I get this no probs, I have nvidia 8800 gt
[05:57] <artistxe> http://practical-tech.com/operating-system/microsoft-to-users-dont-switch-to-vista/
[05:58] <artistxe> stories like this make me laugh :D
[07:52] <Kai_wp> How exactly does one access a network in XUbuntu without a "Network" or "Connect To Server" option in the "Places" menu?
[08:06] <artistxe> Kai_wp, ?
[08:07] <artistxe> Kai_wp : if , in the places menu... that is where it is found in Windows ?
[08:07] <artistxe> anyway.  I just added the NetworkManager applet to my panel . works nicely here.
[08:08] <artistxe> uh. right click panel add new item if you did not know that already
[08:10] <corey_> Hello all, I have been trying to fix a minor issue for a few hours and am stumped.  I came here in hopes one smarter than I may be able to help.
[08:11] <corey_> I installed xubuntu 9.04 alternate install on my ps3 and cannot seem to figure out how to reboot into recovery mode.
[08:11] <corey_> It seems somehow my account never got added to the sudoers list so I cannot make any system changes or install anything.
[08:12] <corey_> Anyone have any ideas?
[08:14] <Feldegastr> are you able to boot the cd and then modify the config file to add yourself?
[08:16] <corey_> Haven't tried that.
[08:16] <corey_> Is there no way to get to recovery mode?
[08:19] <Feldegastr> i have not tried on the ps3
[08:19] <Feldegastr> but on the pc i have a boot menu that has the option in my grub list
[08:20] <corey_> When I turn on my ps3 it goes right to kboot:
[08:20] <corey_> I have no grub list.
[08:21] <Feldegastr> kboot? sorry i have never tried on a ps3 so i am not sure what happens there
[08:21] <corey_> Dang.
[08:21] <corey_> Well this is frustrating to say the least. :(
[08:21] <Feldegastr> so how do you start it up?
[08:22] <Feldegastr> kboot: is the commandline???
[08:22] <corey_> Just press enter at the kboot: prompt
[08:22] <Feldegastr> oh
[08:22] <Feldegastr> sounds like you might have lilo installed then?
[08:22] <corey_> All the articles I find say to press esc and pick it from the grub list.
[08:23] <Feldegastr> if you have lilo you don't have grub
[08:23] <corey_> Never heard of lilo.
[08:23] <Feldegastr> lilo is what existed before grub
[08:24] <Feldegastr> and on some hardware lilo is still used as it is hard to get grub working
[08:25] <corey_> I have only ever used linux on ps3's sorry.  And this is my first experience with Ubuntu.  I am used to Gentoo but figured I would give this a shot.
[08:25] <artistxe> eeep. trying to stop package installer. too many gnome dependencies !!!
[08:25] <corey_> I think I plan on sticking with this distro if I can ever figure this issue out.
[08:27] <corey_> Well I guess I will try booting from the cd and fixing it.  Thanks for trying to help.  Have a good one.
[10:05] <Wizard> is there no icedtea for powerpc?
[10:06] <SiDi> I don't know about icedtea but i know some packages are missing
[10:28] <wildonj> Just installed and updated with 9.04, whenever I run firefox.. I get a bud error.  Any ideas?
[10:28] <wildonj> err bus error
[10:31] <slow-motion> hi
[10:39] <artistxe> hey
[10:40] <artistxe> wildonj : no idea. I chose not to be update crazy this go round and wait for all of the kinks (as in possibly yours) to get worked out
[10:42] <artistxe> he left. maybe after he noticed on google that it has been reported several times as a bug.
[10:42] <artistxe> ono
[10:56]  * MoonTiger waves hello
[10:57] <MoonTiger> does anybody know how to actually edit the main app menu?
[10:57] <artistxe> yes. I do
[10:58] <MoonTiger> hehe could you enlighten a poor lost soul?
[10:58] <artistxe> usr/share/aplications dir . there you can remove ( I assume you want to remove something)
[10:59] <MoonTiger> yes ... the "about" and "help" and "add/remove" stuff
[11:00] <MoonTiger> may i ask another q?
[11:00] <SiDi> http://wiki.xfce.org/howto/customize-menu
[11:00] <SiDi> And for the about help and add remove, its in /etc/xdg/menus/xfce4/
[11:00] <SiDi> if i remember well
[11:01] <MoonTiger> thnx much :)
[11:01] <MoonTiger> do you know why the human theme makes the menu really big?
[11:03] <artistxe> SiDi : thanks. you just reminded me where the defaults.lst was
[11:03] <SiDi> artistxe: np :P
[11:03] <SiDi> MoonTiger: i dont know
[11:05] <artistxe> interfaces can be aggravating .
[11:06] <MoonTiger> ok np thnx for the help :)
[11:07] <artistxe> http://clam-project.org/wiki/images/8/83/NetEditQt4-PortMonitor-SpectralPeaks.png
[11:07] <artistxe> for an example  :)
[11:08] <MoonTiger> wow thats purdy
[11:08] <artistxe> eeeeeeeeeep
[11:09] <artistxe> for a node based ui . it is horrible ( trying to squeeze too much info into one space)
[12:23] <having-wireless-> hello !
[12:23] <having-wireless-> anyone wireless network expert in here can help me ?
[12:24] <gabkdlly> having-wireless-: explain your problem and we will see
[12:25] <having-wireless-> thanks!
[12:25] <having-wireless-> basiclly, xubuntu not detect my usb wireless stick
[12:26] <having-wireless-> it's listed as acx111 based
[12:26] <having-wireless-> listed on the web
[12:27] <having-wireless-> [   90.627153] acx: Loaded combined PCI/USB driver, firmware_ver=1.2.1.34
[12:27] <having-wireless-> [   90.627168] acx: compiled to use 32bit I/O access. I/O timing issues might occur, such as non-working firmware upload. Report them
[12:27] <having-wireless-> [   90.627314] usbcore: registered new interface driver acx_usb
[12:33] <gabkdlly> having-wireless-: how do you know it is not being detected ?
[12:33] <gabkdlly> did you click around in the network manager?
[12:33] <gabkdlly> did you try iwconfig on the terminal ?
[12:35] <having-wireless-> lshw -C network
[12:35] <having-wireless-> and only my eth0 is listed
[12:36] <having-wireless-> ifconfig
[12:36] <having-wireless-> only eth0 lo
[12:37] <having-wireless-> iwconfig
[12:37] <having-wireless-> lo        no wireless extensions.
[12:37] <having-wireless-> eth0      no wireless extensions.
[12:37] <having-wireless-> pan0      no wireless extensions.
[12:39] <having-wireless-> i went through for quite a few day, from changing the firware version from 2.3.1.31 to 1.2.1.34  to compile the acx driver module
[12:39] <having-wireless-> non seems to work
[12:41] <having-wireless-> most of the references on the web are mentioned about simply dont use the default firmware version 2.3.1.34  and use version 1.2.1.34
[12:41] <having-wireless-> and this should do the trick - but it doesn't seem to work for me
[12:43] <gabkdlly> sounds like you are already smarter than me on this issue, maybe someone else will come around who can tell you more
[12:44] <having-wireless-> oh ...
[12:45] <having-wireless-> thanks
[12:46] <MoonTiger> hi guys :) does anyone know how to get rid of the "new" launch bar icon tooltips? thnx
[12:56] <SiDi> What is that, MoonTiger ?
[13:00] <MoonTiger> SiDi, sorry didnt see the reply
[13:00] <MoonTiger> i mean if you have a launcher icon (like the quicklaunch thing in windows)
[13:00] <MoonTiger> and you hold the mouse over it
[13:00] <MoonTiger> you get a huge tooltip with an icon and such
[13:00] <SiDi> i see
[13:00] <MoonTiger> i want the old way back with just a small tooltip that has text
[13:00] <SiDi> and you dont want this ?
[13:01] <MoonTiger> :)
[13:01] <SiDi> i think you should go to #xfce and ask for that, or even better, bugzilla.xfce.org
[13:01] <SiDi> and fill a bug report as feature request
[13:01] <MoonTiger> ok thnx
[13:01] <MoonTiger> :)
[13:04] <having-wireless-> any wireless network expert here ?
[14:31] <slow-motion> bye
[15:37] <cemunal> hi all
[15:37] <cemunal> what is the name of default cursor theme in xubuntu?
[15:37] <SiDi> 'default' ? :p
[15:37] <charlie-tca> yeah, same one I am thinking of, SiDi
[15:38] <SiDi> DMZ White, cemunal
[15:38] <SiDi> Afaik it's this one by default.
[15:38] <cemunal> package name?
[15:38] <SiDi> charlie-tca: see, isn't that 'default' great user support ? :)
[15:38] <SiDi> cemunal: its installed by default :/
[15:38] <charlie-tca> well, not great, but accurate!
[15:39] <charlie-tca> :-)
[15:39] <SiDi> cemunal: it doesnt have its own package, and i don't know in which its included
[15:40] <charlie-tca> dmz-cursor-theme is the source package
[15:40]  * SiDi feels dumb now.
[15:41] <charlie-tca> I cheated - looked it up here: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+search
[15:42] <cemunal> charlie-tca, thanks so much :)
[15:42] <charlie-tca> You are welcome
[15:42] <charlie-tca> You can find almost any source there
[15:48] <cemunal> charlie-tca, thanks again
[15:48] <charlie-tca> no problem
[17:15] <Chicken_combo> hey... how do i remove the login screen so that the machine auto boots with no prompts?
[17:16] <charlie-tca> well...
[17:22] <SiDi> patience is a virtue. A shame some people forget this
[17:22] <Kangarooo> what's GDM? and does xubuntu have it?
[17:22] <Kangarooo> and ubuntu?
[17:22] <SiDi> GDM is the login manager
[17:22] <charlie-tca> and yes
[17:22] <SiDi> both xubuntu and ubuntu use it, while kubuntu uses kdm
[17:22] <charlie-tca> and yes
[17:22] <SiDi> you can also test slim, if you feel like
[17:23] <SiDi> and you can manage gdm with Apps -> System -> Connection window (or whatever the true menu entry's name is :x)
[17:23] <charlie-tca> I keep trying to remember patience, SiDi
[17:23] <charlie-tca> :-)
[17:24] <SiDi> oh, i often forget it too
[17:25] <SiDi> see, after 5 months of working with totally uncapable people, i finally sent them a kind of rough email to make fun of their work; They reviewed it by then. It was still a failure, but was a little less epic than the previous one :P
[17:25] <charlie-tca> Applications -> Settings -> Login window  for 8.10 and 8.04, Session and Startup for 9.04
[17:25] <charlie-tca> Sometimes things just work like that ;-)
[17:29] <SiDi> meh :)
[17:31] <Kangarooo> ok I googled slim so configuration of started apps will still work? its just a different login screen?
[17:32] <zerothis>  I have a USB harddrive with a live bootable partitiion and a partition with a normal instalation. how can set it up to select which to boot?
[17:32] <Kangarooo> or it will make desktop different also?
[17:33] <Kangarooo> in bios? zerothis
[17:34] <zerothis> No, bios isn't problem. It will boot whatever installtion I installed last. But there is not option in the bootloader that allows me to *select* which partition to boot.
[17:39] <Kangarooo> http://clonezilla.org/clonezilla-live/liveusb.php
[17:42] <zerothis> kangaroo: I'll consider clonezilla. but this means starting from scratch and using FAT.
[17:45] <SiDi> Kangarooo: its a different login screen. If you're happy with gdm, don't bother with Slim.
[17:48] <Kangarooo> well I don't ever see login couse if have autologin so ill stay with GDM but maybe slim has some more pros?
[17:50] <Kangarooo> I mean then no difference but if some more pros.. (pluses..) so I could consider since without more pluses I don't know :) or just ok thanks 4 help :) and thanks 4 helping what makes this community better
[17:51] <SiDi> its lighter
[17:51] <SiDi> but it has cons
[17:51] <Kangarooo> zerothis: http://www.google.com/search?ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&sourceid=navclient&gfns=1&q=ubuntu+live+usb
[17:51] <SiDi> no buttons, only keyboard shortcuts, and it doesnt have all gdm's features
[17:52] <SiDi> zerothis: you got grub on your normal install, right ? add a line there, pointing to your hdd
[17:53] <SiDi> for instance if you have 1 hdd, your hdd is hdd(0,#) in grub, so the external one would be hd(1,#) if plugged
[17:53] <SiDi> !grub
[17:54] <Kangarooo> zerothis: BTW on installed system click System -> Administration -> USB startup disk creator .. maybe 4 more information consider check that also.. I haven't tryd that
[17:56] <zerothis> SiDi: yes, grub on the normal install. both partitions are on the same harddrive.
[17:58] <Kangarooo> I would do like this - 1.) start live cd if not installed hard drive (not usb) 2.) check what each code is 4 each partition (I don't know what command shows that) 3.) add correct one or both partiton codes to grub :)
[17:58] <Kangarooo> (and I don't know where to change grub) :)
[17:59] <Kangarooo> maybe it will smth like media/usb1(0,2) I don't know
[18:13] <SiDi> zerothis: edit your grub then, and boot your other partition from grub ?
[18:13] <SiDi> if you boot on the live part, the hdd order wont be the same :)
[18:13] <SiDi> just boot on the normal one, plug your "live" disk, and check it with sudo fdisk -l
[18:38] <scheid_> new to xubuntu-wondering if anyone can walk me through how to swith to external monitor from a laptop
[18:39] <knome> !ask | scheid_
[18:56] <gnoob> After I update my xubuntu install the volume knob on the front of my laptop no longer works.
[18:56] <gnoob> After I updated...
[19:04] <Slonkie> gnoob try looking if the volume buttons are still in Keyboard settings as Application shortcuts
[19:05] <gnoob> I do not see anything there
[19:05] <gnoob> related to sound or volume
[19:05] <Slonkie> all right
[19:06] <Slonkie> aumix -v-10 for is the command for down volume
[19:06] <Slonkie> aumix -v+10 is for up volume
[19:06] <Slonkie> aumix -v0 for mute
[19:07] <saketh> how would i change my window manager to metacity in xubuntu jaunty?
[19:07] <zerothis> scheid_: I'll give is a shot. do you know what video card you have for you lapyop?
[19:07] <saketh> nope
[19:07] <saketh> i probably dont have a good one
[19:07] <saketh> its old
[19:08] <saketh> oops
[19:08] <saketh> srry
[19:09] <zerothis> saketh: this is probably overkill, but if you install compiz-fusion and the compix-fusion-icon, is has easy options to trun compiz off, select another windows manager, and reload the windows manager
[19:09] <saketh> huh?
[19:10] <gnoob> saketh, thanks
[19:10] <saketh> welcum
[19:10] <gnoob> i mean Slonkie
[19:10] <saketh> oh
[19:10] <saketh> ok
[19:10] <gnoob> sorry
[19:10] <saketh> its ok
[19:11] <saketh> is there another way to do it?
[19:12] <zerothis1> most likely, but *I* don't know any other way
[19:12] <saketh> ok
[19:12] <saketh> thanx
[19:15] <saketh> anyone else kno?
[19:16] <Idzme> what?
[19:16] <saketh> how would i change my window manager to metacity in xubuntu jaunty?
[19:19] <SiDi> saketh: install gnome x_x
[19:19] <Idzme> sorry, don't now...install gnome??
[19:19]  * SiDi is having a hard time trying to see why use metacity inside of xfce.
[19:19] <charlie-tca> Just install metacity and remove xfwm, perhaps
[19:19] <SiDi> you can use "metacity --replace"
[19:19] <SiDi> but it'll more likely crash your session
[19:20] <Idzme> why would you run metacity in xubuntu?
[19:20] <knome> like sessions don't crash anyway
[19:20]  * knome hides
[19:20]  * SiDi throws an enraged mouse @ knome.
[19:21]  * charlie-tca agrees with knome 
[19:22]  * SiDi throws a kitten @ charlie-tca then.
[19:22] <knome> hihi
[19:22] <SiDi> Gotta finish my report Q_Q
[19:23] <knome> bah
[19:23] <knome> just finish it
[19:23] <knome> you've been talking about it forever
[19:23] <gordonjcp> hello
[19:24] <gordonjcp> how do I stop xubuntu 8.04 from restoring my session whenever I log in?
[19:24]  * charlie-tca gently sets the kitten down on the ks;kjadf;p9kjweurop
[19:24] <knome> charlie-tca, lol good one ;)
[19:24] <Slonkie> when you logout uncross the "Save sessions for...."
[19:24] <saketh> ok thanx
[19:25] <SiDi> knome: its just so long to type it all :p
[19:25] <charlie-tca> gordonjcp: and remove the ~/.cache
[19:39] <gordonjcp> Slonkie: I don't see an option for Save sessions for...
[19:40] <gordonjcp> charlie-tca: removed .cache, we'll see if that helps ;-)
[19:40] <Slonkie> it's in the left-down corner
[19:40] <gordonjcp> thanks for the advice guys
[19:57] <dylan_> anyone know how to generate modelines so I get get the full 1280x1024 like my monitor was intended to do ?
[19:59] <zerothis1> dylan_: your video card may be the limiting factor. other than that, try xrander to add modes (not sure how that works) and also xrander to change the resolution manually to 1280x1024
[20:00] <zerothis1> dylan_: xrandr --output VGA --mode 1280x1024. where VGA is the actualy name of you monitor. find the name with xrandr -q
[20:01] <gnoob> I would make sure that my video card supported that first.
[20:01] <dylan_> well the video card definately supports it, (nvidia 8800), and I can get this res in XP w/ the same hardware
[20:01] <zerothis1> gnoob has a point, you'll be blind if it doesn't and there is the very slight possiblity of hardware damage
[20:01] <dylan_> thannks zerothis1 I will try this
[20:03] <dylan_> zerothis1, I tried xrandr -q, and I don't see where the name of my monitor is.. ?
[20:03] <dylan_> http://pastebin.ca/1425712
[20:04] <zerothis1> can you copy paste what -q said to pastebin.org please
[20:04] <zerothis1> ohh,
[20:04] <dylan_> :)
[20:05] <zerothis1> I've never seen that before, but it looks like you monitor is called default
[20:05] <dylan_> hmm
[20:05] <dylan_> I will try that then
[20:05] <zerothis1> xrandr --output default --mode 1280x1024
[20:06] <dylan_> zerothis1, the output from that command is "xrandr: cannot find mode 1280 x 1024"
[20:07] <dylan_> its weird because I can get 1280 x 1024 with xp
[20:07] <dylan_> and the manual for the screen says it is 1280 x 1024
[20:07] <dylan_> sxvga
[20:09] <zerothis1> then it needs to be added first. try man xrandr to investigate adding modes
[20:10] <dylan_> ok I will try that, It's not being detected because there I am using a vga to pci adapter on the back of my video card
[20:11] <dylan_> er not pci, its that white connection
[20:11] <dylan_> lol nm
[20:11] <dylan_> can't explain it
[20:11] <Slonkie> dvi :)
[20:11] <dylan_> yes !
[20:12] <dylan_> I am using a vga->dvi adapter because the video card doesnt have vga
[20:12] <dylan_> so that might be confusing the nvidia drivers/software
[20:14] <zerothis1> dylan_: actually, that should register as vannilla VGA
[20:15] <zerothis1> xrandr --newmode <modeline>
[20:16] <dylan_> hmm ok , how do I determine a modeline ?
[20:16] <zerothis1> never in my life have I used a modeline, sorry
[20:17] <dylan_> maybe I should just edit my xorg.conf and add modelines in there,
[20:17] <dylan_> or does xrandr do this for me ?
[20:17] <zerothis1> xrandr will do it
[20:17] <rogi> Hello all, new to xubuntu (used to debian on my server though) and looking for suggestions for an iPhoto type package from Synaptic. Any recommendations? Doesn't need to be too heavyweight.
[20:17] <dylan_> ok
[20:17] <dylan_> now I am off to learn about modelines
[20:18] <zerothis1> xrandr doesn't use xorg.conf, that's kinda point
[20:18] <charlie-tca> rogi: not familiar with iPhoto; makes it hard
[20:18] <charlie-tca> Is that a viewer, editor, or what?
[20:18] <rogi> charlie-tca: ok well just any reasonable photo/album/image collection manager will do fine.
[20:19] <rogi> collection viewer rather than editor
[20:23] <jmburgess> rogi: Picasa or fspot are quite good
[20:24] <rogi> fspot is ok on xubuntu? Ok, I'll check it out. Thanks for the tip.
[20:25] <charlie-tca> what about gthumb?
[20:27] <rogi> charlie-tca: I have that already, just was looking for a little more functionality. I'm just about to try fspot. Thanks for the reply anyway. :)
[20:28] <charlie-tca> good luck :-)
[20:31] <jmburgess> rogi: ya fspot only requires mono really so any *buntu should work
[20:40] <zerothis1> ah, a modeline tool http://bohne-lang.de/spec/linux/modeline/
[20:44] <nikolam> hi i have an idea.
[20:44] <nikolam> is it possible to start some intensive 3d game on machine with very fast 3d graphics
[20:45] <nikolam> and to reedirect output to other machine over network?
[20:45] <nikolam> like, using vnc or redirecting x display?
[20:45] <nikolam> could it work? :)
[20:47] <zerothis>  nikolam: not unless the game is playable a less than 1 fps
[20:48] <Simetrical> I'm trying out Xubuntu because Ubuntu seemed to lag too much, but it doesn't seem to recognize my second monitor.  Applications -> Settings -> Display only shows one.
[20:48] <Simetrical> Any thoughts?
[20:48] <Simetrical> Other than that, it seems better so far.
[20:48] <charlie-tca> !info xrandr
[20:49] <charlie-tca> !info randr
[20:49] <zerothis> ?, I'm using xrandr on Jaunty
[20:50] <rogi> jmburgess: fspot is great. Just what I was looking for. Thanks.
[20:50] <zerothis> Simetrical: ignore ubottu, xrandr will do the job
[20:50] <Simetrical> So I should do it by command line?  xrandr does recognize two monitors, but one seems to be disabled.
[20:51] <zerothis> what is the output from xrandr -q ?
[20:51] <Simetrical> http://paste.ubuntu.com/174485/
[20:52] <zerothis> xrandr --output VGA2 --mode 1024x768 --right-of VGA1
[20:53] <Simetrical> Neat.
[20:53] <Simetrical> Thanks.
[20:54] <charlie-tca> matter of fact, xrandr is the only way to have two monitors in Xfce 4.6, I think
[20:54] <Simetrical> Will that stick, or do I have to do it on startup every time?
[20:54] <nikolam> zerothis, and on gigabit lan? doesn`t X is ment exactly for that, so you can redirect display of one (3D) application to terminal?
[20:55] <zerothis> nikolam: I wouldn't know about redirecting X to other terminals. But I think its called tunneling. I know VNC, and VNC is slow
[20:56] <zerothis> nikolam: http://www.cag.lcs.mit.edu/~wentzlaf/faq/ssh_X.html
[20:57] <zerothis> I recall seeing Xeyes tunneled over gb lan, it was slow too
[20:59] <Simetrical> The only other thing I've noticed about Xfce that I like less than GNOME is that the CPU monitor seems inferior.  My GNOME CPU monitor had different colors for user, system, and ionice; plus graphs for memory, swap, network use, etc.  I found it very handy to notice problems at a glance.
[21:00] <Simetrical> Does anyone know of a good widget (maybe not panel-based) for Xfce that will do that sort of thing?
[21:00] <charlie-tca> You could install the Gnome cpu monitor
[21:01] <nikolam> Simetrical, install xfApplet and use your beloved GNOME applet :)
[21:01] <Simetrical> That's the nice thing, I can take the best parts of all the window managers.  :)
[21:01]  * Simetrical <3 Linux
[21:01] <zerothis> Simetrical: so gnome used alot more of you CPU to show how much of your CPU was being used?
[21:01] <nikolam> Simetrical, :)
[21:02] <Simetrical> Well, this is actually a reasonably powerful machine.  Dual-core Athlon 5000+, 4G RAM, etc.  But I had insufferable latency when switching applications, and it drove me up the wall.  Xubuntu seems to be better.
[21:02] <nikolam> Simetrical, 32 or 64-bit?
[21:03] <Simetrical> (The real CPU hog here is XChat.  It's using something like 50% of one CPU continuously.)
[21:03] <Simetrical> 32-bit.
[21:03] <nikolam> Simetrical, wow, that is not right
[21:03] <nikolam> Simetrical, try 64, maybe it is faste ra bit
[21:03] <nikolam> what xchat version is that? you have some scripts runing in it?
[21:04] <Simetrical> I've heard enough complaints about 64-bit that I don't think it's worth reinstalling the OS to try out, at least for the moment.
[21:04] <nikolam> Simetrical, I use 64bit from 7.04 onwards. It works great.
[21:04] <Simetrical> No, no scripts that I'm aware of.  Packaged versions.  I have 17 windows of it open, though.
[21:04] <nikolam> But under 4gogs, no, 32 bit is good
[21:04] <Simetrical> 3G of RAM is more than enough for me anyway.
[21:05] <nikolam> I am planin to add 4gigs in few days. i won`t be able to do that on 32bit
[21:07] <Simetrical> How do I install xfApplet?  I don't see it as an option anywhere.
[21:07] <nikolam> synaptic? Simetrical
[21:09] <Simetrical> I'd have thought it would be installed by default as an option for "Add New Item", or at least show up in the Add/Remove... search.  Got it now, thakns.
[21:09] <Simetrical> thanks.
[21:12] <nikolam> np :) also install your beloved gnome applet
[21:14] <Simetrical> GNOME didn't even seem to let me put panels on the second monitor, unless I did dual-head.
[21:15] <Simetrical> So far there's pretty much nothing I dislike about Xfce.
[21:18] <SiDi> !info meld
[21:19] <jmburgess> ya XFCE's handling of 2 monitors is far superior to GNOMe
[21:19] <jmburgess> like I can set diff wallpapers for each monitor and all kinds of things
[21:19] <jmburgess> that isn't possible in gnome
[21:28] <nikolam> jmburgess, wow i didn`t know that. i should tcheck that out :)
[21:29] <jmburgess> nikolam: yeah it is awesome
[21:47] <corey_> Has anyone came across a fix for the problem in xubuntu 9.04 where it does not add the initial account to the sudoers list?
[21:48] <dylan_> how do I enable ctrl alt backspace in xubuntu 9.04 ???
[21:48] <dylan_> same with ctrl alt esc ?
[21:48] <dylan_> why would they be removed in the first place ?
[21:48] <Slonkie> Keyboard > Application shortcuts
[21:49] <Slonkie> Add whatever you like, dylan_.
[21:50] <dylan_> Slonkie, thanks, also, do you know how I can get the full 1280 x 1024 like my hardware is designed for ? in XP I get this res no probs, but I can't in Xubntu... I have tried adding a modeline, not quite sure if I did it properly though..
[21:50] <Slonkie> Sorry i don't know
[21:51] <dylan_> http://pastebin.ca/1425794
[21:51] <dylan_> ok
[21:51] <dylan_> I will keep trying different things
[21:52] <dylan_> Slonkie, in the keyboard shorcuts what would the command for resetting the X server be ?
[21:53] <Slonkie> sorry I don't know that either
[21:55] <SiDi> sudo /etc/init.d/gdm restart but needs sudo
[21:55] <SiDi> dylan_: if you wanna reenable ctrl + alt + backspace, download dontzap
[21:55] <SiDi> and use dontzap --disable once in the console
[21:55] <SiDi> (sudo apt-get install dontzap *)
[21:58] <dylan_> SiDi, I did that everything looks like it works, but ctrl alt bs does nothing, do I need to reboot the computer /
[21:58] <dylan_> ?
[22:00] <SiDi> possibly reboot the session for it to work
[22:00] <corey_> Does anyone know how to access recovery mode in xubuntu 9.04?
[22:01] <SiDi> same as in ubuntu
[22:01] <SiDi> on grub menu you have a menu entry for recovery mode
[22:01] <corey_> I don't have a grub menu/
[22:01] <corey_> When I turn on my system I have a kboot: prompt.
[22:01] <SiDi> if you lost it, copy a menu entry of your grub menu, and replace the ro quiet splash by ro single
[22:02] <SiDi> Can't help then
[22:02] <dylan_> SiDi, resetting the computer fixed it
[22:02] <dylan_> do you know how to get ctrl alt esc back ?
[22:15] <Slonkie> i by mistake turned of something, that does that thunar doesn't go infront of my other running application when i open a folder.
[22:15] <Slonkie> it just opens in minimized status
[22:23] <SiDi> dylan_: add a shortcut with xkill
[22:29] <dylan_> is there any way I can FORCE my resolution to 1280 x 1024 ? in win XP I get this no problem, but in xubuntu 9.04 max is 1024 x 768 ??
[22:39] <SiDi> install the gpu drivers;
[22:39] <SiDi> apps -> system -> hardware drivers
[22:39] <SiDi> if anything's listed there, then activate it, it'll help a lot
[22:40] <SiDi> and if theres nothing (likely if you have an Intel GPU), you'll have to wait for proper drivers from Intel
[22:40] <SiDi> or try to manually edit xorg.conf
[22:40] <SiDi> !xorg
[22:40]  * SiDi goes back to work, huh :p
[22:41] <Slonkie> Go finish that stupid report SiDi ! ;)
[22:41] <Slonkie> now i'm going to bed. night night.
[22:41] <SiDi> Slonkie: workin on it :) good night
[22:42] <dylan_> guys, I really need help getting my computer to display 1280 x 1024
[22:43] <dylan_> I can get it in winXP no problem, in xubuntu 9.04, I am not sure if my xorg.conf is correct, and I get different resolutions in the xubuntu display settings from the nvidia-settings program (two different sets of resolutions), but none of them give me the option for 1280 x 1024
[22:43] <dylan_> and my manually edited xorg.conf does not work
[22:53] <SiDi> dylan_: read above !
[22:53] <SiDi> what GPU do you have ?
[22:53] <SiDi> and are the latest drivers activated ?
[22:57] <dylan_> SidI nvidia drivers are installed
[22:59] <dylan_> Sidi its a nvidia 8800 gt video card w/ 1gb ram, and the screen is this one http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=2293955&CatId=167
[23:00] <dylan_> SiDi, I just don't know how to make a proper modeline
[23:01] <SiDi> dylan_: it should just work then :/
[23:01] <SiDi> what's the drivers version ? 177 at least ?
[23:02] <SiDi> i can't remember about modelines for xorg.conf though. Too tired for that.
[23:02] <dylan_> SiDi I am just used jockey-gtk
[23:02] <dylan_> er I just used
[23:02] <SiDi> What version does it say you have ?
[23:02] <SiDi> If you're on 8.10+ the drivers should be recent enough anyways
[23:04] <dylan_> SiDi,  I freshly installex xubuntu 9.04,
[23:08] <dylan_> I just dont understand how something SO SIMPLE in XP takes weeks to get working in Ubuntu
[23:08] <dylan_> isn;t there any way to force a resolution, or auto detect the screen ect ect. ?
[23:10] <SiDi> dylan_: so simple is fast said
[23:10] <SiDi> vista never managed to get my 1440x900 screen working
[23:10] <SiDi> it worked out of the box with any linux/solaris distro
[23:11] <SiDi> its just a dumb hardware recognition / driver problem. Wether you be on linux/windows won't change much, except we have more workarounds than them. But i'm not expert about xorg questions
[23:11] <SiDi> fill a bug in bugs.launchpad.net about nvidia drivers, they should be able to help you get it to work quickly
[23:12] <SiDi> btw, ive got a 8800GTS on my desktop with the said 1440x900 screen :p and same drivers / distro :p and it worked directly after the install :p
[23:20] <dylan_> SiDi do you have one of those dvi -> vga converters so you can plug your screen into your video card ?
[23:21] <SiDi> Yeh
[23:21] <SiDi> On the same GPU+Screen :P
[23:22] <SiDi> I don't think its the problem. Nvidia made a terrible mess with the 8xxx / 9xxx gpus, its possible its not recognising the card properly. You could try #nvidia or #xorg or bug some people who maintain this on launchpad.net
[23:22] <SiDi> they'll be more helpful than me
[23:54] <nijm> Hey guys, anyone know what package the man pages for math.h and ctype.h and the like belong to? I have build-essential and gcc-doc installed but no joy