[01:35] Guys, you know what, there are so many questiosn for Edubunu development, I must just go ahead and create my own Education distro now and everybody who wants to can join in. [16:18] greets Lns, alkisg [16:18] Hey nubae, what's up? :) [16:18] highvoltage too :-) [16:18] ah, just came back from Sugar Camp [16:19] in Paris [16:19] it was an amazing experience [16:19] so much wonderful enthusiasm and energy [16:19] if we could do something like that for edubuntu, it would really drive the community up again [16:20] hey nubae [16:20] nubae: awesome, we will certainly ahve to take you up on that [16:20] I don't think it's enthusiasm that edubuntu lacks, but specific goals... :( [16:21] I'd be happy to help/contribute however I can if it became a distro again. [16:23] alkisg: I hear u [16:23] as u know, I've been using opensuse-edu, and to be honest, at this point its run circles around edubuntu [16:23] sadly [16:23] and in every possible way too [16:24] I mean, sugar doesnt even run on ubuntu anymore... on opensuse, not only does it run, but every activitiy works and is packaged [16:24] Yeah... and I love their live dvd [16:25] by the way, if u are interested, we are having a meeting in #sugar concerning what we're doing on opensuse in about 6 minutes [16:25] It even has scratch and kde_edu apps on it... If edubuntu was something similar, many people would be using it [16:25] I'm not really familiar with sugar... I'll come just to have a look :) [16:26] yes indeed, and its got total nomad, AOE support, Sugar support, tons of edu apps, LDAP in very few steps, pretty much every service gui'd and working [16:26] its just a delight to work with [16:27] if it had deb packages it would be perfect [16:27] Have you put it in any "producation" sites? [16:27] *production [16:27] I'm on that at the moment... from the Sugar side especially, since thats my focus [16:27] u should really check it out [16:27] download the Sugar Suse CD [16:28] or start it straight from the DVD [16:28] its an icon on the desktop [16:28] It's not easy for me to switch, because I'm in charge of writing a manual about ubuntu/ltsp for all greek teachers, so that would mean changing what we advice them [16:28] for kids it excellent [16:28] well, take a look at sugar [16:28] that might make it more agnostic [16:28] I'd really like for edubuntu to become something similar, so we could continue working with ubuntu as a base [16:29] its really really improved and its amazingly cool to have collaboration working to that extent [16:29] yeah well... unless there's a fork, I dont see it happening, we just dont have a community anymore [16:29] I think if someones picks it up and goes in that direction, others will follow. [16:30] Of course if noone does, it'll just die... [16:31] well like u know, Laserjock has done all the work for Jaunty edubuntu, even the web page write ups, I just published it... [16:31] unless that changes drastically, its gonna die in the next release [16:31] I dont see laserjock doing this for fun for ever if its just him alone [17:36] Hey [17:36] Anyone willing to help me out on uninstalling Ubuntu, or helping me fix something so I don't have to [17:38] well, ubuntu is more of an #ubuntu thing [17:38] now if u have #edubuntu installed, then u're in the right place :-) [17:43] ty [17:54] highvoltage: hi [17:55] hi again bencrisford_ [17:55] * bencrisford_ is desperate to help :D [17:55] I saw your e-mail, thanks! [17:55] how can i contribute d'ya think? [17:57] how's your documentation skills? [17:57] pretty neat [17:57] ive done docbook for spux project [17:57] and html [17:59] http://trac.spuxproject.net/trac/spux/browser/trunk/Other/Docs/trunk/spux.xml [18:00] u know we also need to update the applicactions page on the edubuntu site for Jaunty [18:01] hmm, well i was hoping to leave the whole documentation area, because ive done alot [18:01] but im happy to help with it [18:02] when i say leave i mean do other things also [18:02] well u should talk to Laserjock [18:02] my main experience is with graphics, web devel, and docs [18:03] nubae: i saw he was the one to talk to through launchpad [18:03] but he hasnt been on at the same time as me [18:04] well, u're more likely to catch him via email these days [18:04] and he might make an appearance when u suggest a set date/time [18:04] ah ok [18:04] i sent to the mailing list [18:04] there hasnt been a edubuntu development meeting in a really long time [18:04] so he might see that [18:04] but there should be [18:04] yes I saw [18:05] to be honest, I don't really know what to tell you, but there is an incredible amount of work to do... our community is a little in tatters at the moment [18:05] it could really do with some new blood to push people's spirits back up [18:06] hmm [18:07] well i would suggest just a meeting for all areas of development [18:07] just to make sure we hear everyones ideas [18:07] yeah [18:07] and if we advertise the meeting a bit [18:07] get some fresh people in [18:07] then have meetings for sub-groups [18:07] well push laserjock a bit... tell him u're really serious and u'd like a meeting, and I'm sure it will help [18:10] bencrisford_: sorry, my internet connection keeps dropping [18:11] bencrisford_: I see you mention web skills, if you'd like to work on the website, that would also help a lot [18:11] ill do whatever, but I would love that [18:12] highvoltage: I think there needs to be some specifics... some page that shows what needs to be done [18:12] something like trac even [18:12] nubae: yes, you're right [18:12] I dunno [18:12] I like trac a lot, not sure how that will go down with everyone [18:12] we could use launchpad though [18:12] that would be more appropriate ? [18:13] probably, but it's just so big [18:13] yeah [18:13] trac is very specific [18:13] well ubuntu is done via launchpad [18:13] to just bug/features [18:13] people would search for edubuntu on launchpad [18:13] blueprints resemble tickets in trac i believe [18:13] well, not if its mentioned on the edubuntu page [18:14] edubuntu is independent enough at this point to use trac, I just dont think ubuntu would host it [18:19] trac is easy to host though [18:22] yep [18:41] sorry, my internet is REALLY faulty [18:41] highvoltage - as I was saying, i would love to help with the website if you need me to :) [19:15] anyone here? :) [20:36] http://www.telegraph.co.uk/education/educationnews/5343111/Ball-and-chain-to-force-children-to-study.html - ....Can we safely assume that some people are just completely insane?? [20:37] Yeah, that's too harsh for study... but I could use it to make my younger daughter eat all of her food :) [20:39] alkisg: =p~~ [20:39] I mean, wow. If that is really a serious product, i have my doubts about humanity, heh [20:49] lol [20:49] well it might help me study [20:49] but i could lift 21kg [20:49] if it was maths [20:49] i would definately be motivated to walk off with it [21:01] The mental impact of using something like that would likely curb any motivation to study in the future, I'd think ("Hmm, I could study, ...wait...heavy ball tied to my leg....no, I think I'll go do something fun") [21:03] lol yeah i agree [21:03] hmm, if it caught on we could use it to market edubuntu [21:04] a picture of a kid studying with the ball/chain [21:04] then a cross through it [21:04] and a picture of him having a ton of fun on edubuntu :P [21:04] brb