[01:35] <Svenstaro> Guys, you know what, there are so many questiosn for Edubunu development, I must just go ahead and create my own Education distro now and everybody who wants to can join in.
[16:18] <nubae> greets Lns, alkisg
[16:18] <alkisg> Hey nubae, what's up? :)
[16:18] <nubae> highvoltage too :-)
[16:18] <nubae> ah,  just came back from Sugar Camp
[16:19] <nubae> in Paris
[16:19] <nubae> it was an amazing experience
[16:19] <nubae> so much wonderful enthusiasm and energy
[16:19] <nubae> if we could do something like that for edubuntu, it would really drive the community up again
[16:20] <highvoltage> hey nubae
[16:20] <highvoltage> nubae: awesome, we will certainly ahve to take you up on that
[16:20] <alkisg> I don't think it's enthusiasm that edubuntu lacks, but specific goals... :(
[16:21] <alkisg> I'd be happy to help/contribute however I can if it became a distro again.
[16:23] <nubae> alkisg: I hear u
[16:23] <nubae> as u know, I've been using opensuse-edu, and to be honest, at this point its run circles around edubuntu
[16:23] <nubae> sadly
[16:23] <nubae> and in every possible way too
[16:24] <nubae> I mean, sugar doesnt even run on ubuntu anymore... on opensuse, not only does it run, but every activitiy works and is packaged
[16:24] <alkisg> Yeah... and I love their live dvd
[16:25] <nubae> by the way, if u are interested, we are having a meeting in #sugar concerning what we're doing on opensuse in about 6 minutes
[16:25] <alkisg> It even has scratch and kde_edu apps on it... If edubuntu was something similar, many people would be using it
[16:25] <alkisg> I'm not really familiar with sugar... I'll come just to have a look :)
[16:26] <nubae> yes indeed, and its got total nomad, AOE support, Sugar support, tons of edu apps, LDAP in very few steps, pretty much every service gui'd and working
[16:26] <nubae> its just a delight to work with
[16:27] <nubae> if it had deb packages it would be perfect
[16:27] <alkisg> Have you put it in any "producation" sites?
[16:27] <alkisg> *production
[16:27] <nubae> I'm on that at the moment... from the Sugar side especially, since thats my focus
[16:27] <nubae> u should really check it out
[16:27] <nubae> download the Sugar Suse CD
[16:28] <nubae> or start it straight from the DVD
[16:28] <nubae> its an icon on the desktop
[16:28] <alkisg> It's not easy for me to switch, because I'm in charge of writing a manual about ubuntu/ltsp for all greek teachers, so that would mean changing what we advice them
[16:28] <nubae> for kids it excellent
[16:28] <nubae> well, take a look at sugar
[16:28] <nubae> that might make it more agnostic
[16:28] <alkisg> I'd really like for edubuntu to become something similar, so we could continue working with ubuntu as a base
[16:29] <nubae> its really really improved and its amazingly cool to have collaboration working to that extent
[16:29] <nubae> yeah well... unless there's a fork, I dont see it happening, we just dont have a community anymore
[16:29] <alkisg> I think if someones picks it up and goes in that direction, others will follow.
[16:30] <alkisg> Of course if noone does, it'll just die...
[16:31] <nubae> well like u know, Laserjock has done all the work for Jaunty edubuntu, even the web page write ups, I just published it...
[16:31] <nubae> unless that changes drastically, its gonna die in the next release
[16:31] <nubae> I dont see laserjock doing this for fun for ever if its just him alone
[17:36] <m0r0n> Hey
[17:36] <m0r0n> Anyone willing to help me out on uninstalling Ubuntu, or helping me fix something so I don't have to
[17:38] <nubae> well, ubuntu is more of an #ubuntu thing
[17:38] <nubae> now if u have #edubuntu installed, then u're in the right place :-)
[17:43] <m0r0n> ty
[17:54] <bencrisford_> highvoltage: hi
[17:55] <highvoltage> hi again bencrisford_
[17:55]  * bencrisford_ is desperate to help :D
[17:55] <highvoltage> I saw your e-mail, thanks!
[17:55] <bencrisford_> how can i contribute d'ya think?
[17:57] <highvoltage> how's your documentation skills?
[17:57] <bencrisford_> pretty neat
[17:57] <bencrisford_> ive done docbook for spux project
[17:57] <bencrisford_> and html
[17:59] <bencrisford_> http://trac.spuxproject.net/trac/spux/browser/trunk/Other/Docs/trunk/spux.xml
[18:00] <nubae> u know we also need to update the applicactions page on the edubuntu site for Jaunty
[18:01] <bencrisford_> hmm, well i was hoping to leave the whole documentation area, because ive done alot
[18:01] <bencrisford_> but im happy to help with it
[18:02] <bencrisford_> when i say leave i mean do other things also
[18:02] <nubae> well u should talk to Laserjock
[18:02] <bencrisford_> my main experience is with graphics, web devel, and docs
[18:03] <bencrisford_> nubae: i saw he was the one to talk to through launchpad
[18:03] <bencrisford_> but he hasnt been on at the same time as me
[18:04] <nubae> well, u're more likely to catch him via email these days
[18:04] <nubae> and he might make an appearance when u suggest a set date/time
[18:04] <bencrisford_> ah ok
[18:04] <bencrisford_> i sent to the mailing list
[18:04] <nubae> there hasnt been a edubuntu development meeting in a really long time
[18:04] <bencrisford_> so he might see that
[18:04] <nubae> but there should be
[18:04] <nubae> yes I saw
[18:05] <nubae> to be honest, I don't really know what to tell you, but there is an incredible amount of work to do... our community is a little in tatters at the moment
[18:05] <nubae> it could really do with some new blood to push people's spirits back up
[18:06] <bencrisford_> hmm
[18:07] <bencrisford_> well i would suggest just a meeting for all areas of development
[18:07] <bencrisford_> just to make sure we hear everyones ideas
[18:07] <nubae> yeah
[18:07] <bencrisford_> and if we advertise the meeting a bit
[18:07] <bencrisford_> get some fresh people in
[18:07] <bencrisford_> then have meetings for sub-groups
[18:07] <nubae> well push laserjock a bit... tell him u're really serious and u'd like a meeting, and I'm sure it will help
[18:10] <highvoltage> bencrisford_: sorry, my internet connection keeps dropping
[18:11] <highvoltage> bencrisford_: I see you mention web skills, if you'd like to work on the website, that would also help a lot
[18:11] <bencrisford_> ill do whatever, but I would love that
[18:12] <nubae> highvoltage: I think there needs to be some specifics... some page that shows what needs to be done
[18:12] <nubae> something like trac even
[18:12] <highvoltage> nubae: yes, you're right
[18:12] <nubae> I dunno
[18:12] <highvoltage> I like trac a lot, not sure how that will go down with everyone
[18:12] <bencrisford_> we could use launchpad though
[18:12] <bencrisford_> that would be more appropriate ?
[18:13] <highvoltage> probably, but it's just so big
[18:13] <nubae> yeah
[18:13] <nubae> trac is very specific
[18:13] <bencrisford_> well ubuntu is done via launchpad
[18:13] <nubae> to just bug/features
[18:13] <bencrisford_> people would search for edubuntu on launchpad
[18:13] <bencrisford_> blueprints resemble tickets in trac i believe
[18:13] <nubae> well, not if its mentioned on the edubuntu page
[18:14] <nubae> edubuntu is independent enough at this point to use trac, I just dont think ubuntu would host it
[18:19] <highvoltage> trac is easy to host though
[18:22] <nubae> yep
[18:41] <bencrisford_> sorry, my internet is REALLY faulty
[18:41] <bencrisford_> highvoltage - as I was saying, i would love to help with the website if you need me to :)
[19:15] <bencrisford__> anyone here? :)
[20:36] <Lns> http://www.telegraph.co.uk/education/educationnews/5343111/Ball-and-chain-to-force-children-to-study.html - ....Can we safely assume that some people are just completely insane??
[20:37] <alkisg> Yeah, that's too harsh for study... but I could use it to make my younger daughter eat all of her food :)
[20:39] <Lns> alkisg: =p~~
[20:39] <Lns> I mean, wow. If that is really a serious product, i have my doubts about humanity, heh
[20:49] <bencrisford_> lol
[20:49] <bencrisford_> well it might help me study
[20:49] <bencrisford_> but i could lift 21kg
[20:49] <bencrisford_> if it was maths
[20:49] <bencrisford_> i would definately be motivated to walk off with it
[21:01] <Lns> The mental impact of using something like that would likely curb any motivation to study in the future, I'd think ("Hmm, I could study, ...wait...heavy ball tied to my leg....no, I think I'll go do something fun")
[21:03] <bencrisford_> lol yeah i agree
[21:03] <bencrisford_> hmm, if it caught on we could use it to market edubuntu
[21:04] <bencrisford_> a picture of a kid studying with the ball/chain
[21:04] <bencrisford_> then a cross through it
[21:04] <bencrisford_> and a picture of him having a ton of fun on edubuntu :P
[21:04] <bencrisford_> brb