| tvakah | how come nothing depends on kde-icons-oxygen in karmic | 00:28 |
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| JontheEchidna | probably because it's not part of kdebase-runtime anymore | 00:43 |
| JontheEchidna | it's a valid bug, though | 00:44 |
| ScottK | JontheEchidna: Why? Is Oxgyen required as a theme? | 04:38 |
| * ScottK takes a shot at fixing qt4-x11 on armel .... | 07:03 | |
| InitMass | when i preview a raw file in digikam i get a nice looking image. when i choose to develop it into a jpeg using digikam the image turns out a lot less nice. any idea why? | 09:51 |
| InitMass | i'm using version 0.10 but this was present in the previous version as well | 09:52 |
| eagles0513875 | InitMass: please ask in kubuntu | 09:53 |
| InitMass | sorry | 09:53 |
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| seele | rgreening: besides the specs, do you have a list of topics you wanted to discuss tomorrow? | 14:30 |
| JontheEchidna | So, is anybody going to announce KDE 4.3 beta packages? | 14:37 |
| * ScottK prods at ryanakca. | 14:38 | |
| jussi01 | JontheEchidna: they are here? | 14:42 |
| JontheEchidna | jussi01: yeah | 14:43 |
| jussi01 | hrm.... | 14:43 |
| JontheEchidna | https://edge.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ppa/+archive/experimental | 14:44 |
| * jussi01 upgrades | 14:47 | |
| jussi01 | JontheEchidna: I should now remove the 4.2.3 ppa, no? | 14:48 |
| JontheEchidna | doesn't matter, I don't think | 14:48 |
| JontheEchidna | it wouldn't hurt anything | 14:49 |
| jussi01 | ok | 14:49 |
| ScottK | Wiat | 14:49 |
| jussi01 | :) | 14:49 |
| ScottK | Wiat even | 14:49 |
| jussi01 | lol | 14:49 |
| ScottK | Wait even | 14:49 |
| ScottK | Why are we removing 4.2.3? | 14:49 |
| ScottK | We ought to get it into jaunty-backports first. | 14:49 |
| jussi01 | ScottK: Im updating to the 4,3 beta, was wondering if I should remove the 4.2.3 ppa from my sources | 14:49 |
| ScottK | jussi01: OK. | 14:50 |
| * jussi01 giggles at ScottK getting paranoid :D | 14:50 | |
| ScottK | Sorry, I jumped in the middle are read that as deleting 4.2.3 packages FROM the PPA. | 14:50 |
| jussi01 | JontheEchidna: http://paste.ubuntu.com/174935/ | 14:51 |
| JontheEchidna | meh, where do these keep coming from? | 14:52 |
| jussi01 | JontheEchidna: good thing I tested it :D - could it be from the fact I had 4.2.3 installed? | 14:54 |
| JontheEchidna | could be | 14:54 |
| JontheEchidna | but I tested from 4.2.3 too | 14:54 |
| jussi01 | JontheEchidna: I can just --force-all install them for now, right? | 14:56 |
| JontheEchidna | yeah | 14:56 |
| JontheEchidna | as long as I have the log I can fix 'em | 14:56 |
| jussi01 | well that paste is enough, rihgt? | 14:57 |
| * jussi01 is a bit out of things... | 14:57 | |
| JontheEchidna | yeah | 14:57 |
| * JontheEchidna will be back | 15:00 | |
| jjesse | morning | 15:10 |
| jussi01 | hi jjesse | 15:31 |
| jussi01 | Hrm, thats interesting - new menu structure in the beta | 15:31 |
| JontheEchidna | The "map containments to virtual desktops" feature seems to be working great, I think we should conisder enabling it by default | 15:38 |
| eagles0513875 | also the new network manager is really looking promising both dhcp and static wired works for me granted when setting up the connection i get random plasma crashes | 15:39 |
| eagles0513875 | JontheEchidna: any chance the newer snapshot of network manager widget can be pushed to jaunty as an update. for me the one currently in jaunt seems to dislike my chipset and i wasnt able to get on the net without by passing it all together. | 15:40 |
| JontheEchidna | one is undergoing testing, it will be pushed as soon as prudently possible | 15:41 |
| eagles0513875 | im currently on karmic and the one on here is working fine for me | 15:42 |
| ScottK | That's the one we're testing for an update. | 15:42 |
| JontheEchidna | what happens if two source packages both provide a binary package of the same name? | 15:54 |
| JontheEchidna | oh, it's just the .install file sticking around. The package isn't in debian/control anymore | 15:55 |
| JontheEchidna | ScottK: I have a new kdepim and kdebase. Soon to be a new -runtime | 16:00 |
| ScottK | Again? | 16:00 |
| jussi01 | JontheEchidna: Im getting a weird message in ktorrent - Could not start process Unable to create io-slave: klauncher said: Error loading 'kio_http'. . | 16:00 |
| JontheEchidna | yeah, jussi01 found some new ones :/ | 16:00 |
| jussi01 | JontheEchidna: where do you want bugs`? | 16:00 |
| JontheEchidna | thanks for those new ones, btw :) | 16:00 |
| jussi01 | no probs... :D | 16:00 |
| JontheEchidna | bugs can go in the bug tracker, since we have 4.2.85 in karmic | 16:01 |
| ScottK | JontheEchidna: I think I got armel, ia64, and sparc figured out. | 16:01 |
| jussi01 | JontheEchidna: event though im on jaunty? | 16:01 |
| JontheEchidna | jussi01: yes, the packages are nearly identical | 16:01 |
| jussi01 | JontheEchidna: ok, great. | 16:02 |
| JontheEchidna | ScottK: oh? | 16:02 |
| ScottK | JontheEchidna: Yeah. ia64 and sparc look like archive skew. I got qedje to build last night and am waiting for workspace now. | 16:03 |
| JontheEchidna | cool, maybe we can really, really get ports down this release | 16:03 |
| ScottK | I think Armel has a boost related problem. I uploaded a new boost1.35 last night and I'm waiting for qt4-x11 rise t to the top of the queue. | 16:03 |
| JontheEchidna | we did get sparc last time, right? | 16:04 |
| ScottK | Last time we had everything but hppa built. | 16:06 |
| ScottK | Sparc and ia64 had kernel installability problems though | 16:07 |
| JontheEchidna | Oh, did I tell you guys I found a similar RSSNow bug in KDE 4.2.85? (kde bug 193123) | 16:07 |
| ubottu | KDE bug 193123 in widget-misc "RSSNow widget's content becomes blank after accessing ZUI" [Normal,New] http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=193123 | 16:07 |
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| JontheEchidna | One might conjecture that there's a chance that if that gets fixed, the other invisibility bug will get fixed too | 16:08 |
| jussi01 | well n o bug report at this moment, LP is being evil and timinig out | 16:09 |
| ScottK | JontheEchidna: Good news. | 16:11 |
| ScottK | jussi01: Email interface FTW. | 16:11 |
| jussi01 | ScottK: yeah, I should learn how that works at some point... :D | 16:12 |
| eagles0513875 | thought i would let you guys know there is a bug in the kdenlive package when i try to run the presentation that i have created it crashes plasma but i compiled it form source in the repos it doesnt crash plasma | 16:13 |
| ScottK | eagles0513875: Karmic? | 16:14 |
| eagles0513875 | ya | 16:14 |
| ScottK | No great suprise there. | 16:14 |
| ScottK | Do file a bug though so we remember to deal with it. | 16:14 |
| eagles0513875 | will do | 16:15 |
| eagles0513875 | also working im guessing with upstream dev to test something for him | 16:15 |
| ScottK | OK. Tonio_ is interested in kdenlive, IIRC. | 16:15 |
| eagles0513875 | should i ping him and discuss it with him | 16:16 |
| ScottK | eagles0513875: I just did. | 16:16 |
| eagles0513875 | thanks | 16:16 |
| Tonio_ | eagles0513875: plop ! | 16:18 |
| eagles0513875 | hey Tonio_were you the one who packaged kdenlive for karmic | 16:18 |
| Tonio_ | eagles0513875: nope | 16:18 |
| Tonio_ | eagles0513875: jaunty | 16:18 |
| Tonio_ | eagles0513875: hum maybe I just uploaded an update, but that's just a new dep added (frei0r plugin afaik) | 16:19 |
| Tonio_ | eagles0513875: are you using karmic ? | 16:19 |
| eagles0513875 | well the karmic one when trying to run the presentation that one creates causes plasma to crash. when i compiled from source it doesnt cause plasma to crash any more but a differernt error which im working with peace- who seems to be upstream dev. | 16:19 |
| eagles0513875 | ya i am | 16:19 |
| eagles0513875 | testing out some other issues that jaunty was pissing me off with | 16:19 |
| Tonio_ | eagles0513875: yup kdenlive is far from being stable atm... | 16:20 |
| Tonio_ | eagles0513875: hopefully, there will be another release before karmic comes out | 16:20 |
| Tonio_ | eagles0513875: to be honnest, I'm a bit out of kubuntu atm, just a matter of 2 or 3 weeks :) | 16:21 |
| eagles0513875 | would a recompilation from current source in repos help anything | 16:21 |
| Tonio_ | eagles0513875: I have to find a job, which is a lot more important for me :) | 16:21 |
| eagles0513875 | ya i understand | 16:21 |
| Tonio_ | eagles0513875: well you can test locally to rebuild the package, and eventually I'll reupload if it happens to fix it for you | 16:21 |
| eagles0513875 | will have to figure out how to do that tomorrow once im finally free for summer | 16:22 |
| larsivi | hi, I tried to upgrade to kde 4.2.3 for jaunty but got a key error | 17:10 |
| larsivi | no public key | 17:10 |
| larsivi | and there was no mention of keys on the kubuntu page either (as there has been in the pas) | 17:10 |
| larsivi | *past | 17:10 |
| eagles0513875 | !gpgerr | larsivi | 17:12 |
| ubottu | larsivi: Getting GPG errors after adding custom repositories? Find the GPG keyword for the repository (it's 437D05B5 for the standard ones) and run « gpg --keyserver hkp://subkeys.pgp.net --recv-keys <key> ; gpg --export --armor <key> | sudo apt-key add - » | 17:12 |
| eagles0513875 | larsivi: you would need to find the key for the repo 4.2.3 is in | 17:12 |
| larsivi | eagles0513875: right - but why not add this info to the 4.2.3 page on kubuntu.org? | 17:13 |
| eagles0513875 | tbh i am not sure let me try and find it for you | 17:13 |
| eagles0513875 | larsivi: the key is 493b3065 follow the commands above and you should be good to go | 17:15 |
| * ScottK notes https://blueprints.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/security-karmic-no-sudo/ to Kuubntu people going to UDS as he doesn't want to be the only Kubuntu person there. | 17:15 | |
| larsivi | eagles0513875: thanks :) but I still recommend adding it to your web page ;) | 17:15 |
| eagles0513875 | larsivi: also that is a question for the kubuntu channel btw this is just development channel | 17:16 |
| larsivi | eagles0513875: I know, but fixing the web page is a dev request | 17:16 |
| eagles0513875 | i hear ya | 17:17 |
| jussi01 | larsivi: probably a good idea to file a bug | 17:17 |
| ScottK | rgreening: Would you please mark yourself 'essential' for https://blueprints.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/dx-karmic-kde-integration | 17:18 |
| larsivi | jussi01: it would take me longer to file a bug in launchpad than to actually copy/paste the gpg key message from earlier KDE updates | 17:19 |
| jussi01 | larsivi: true, but ryanakca isnt around at the moment and a bug will make sure that the correct person is notified and therefore the issue gets fixed | 17:20 |
| larsivi | My launchpad+bugs.kde quota has been filled today :P | 17:21 |
| jussi01 | :P | 17:21 |
| eagles0513875 | 4.3 has something the devs will like in regards to upstream bug reporting | 17:22 |
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| eagles0513875 | is it gonna be the norm in 4.3 that all kde apps report bugs upstream directly to kde instead of to lp | 18:21 |
| ScottK | eagles0513875: No. | 18:29 |
| eagles0513875 | ok thats interested cuz for instance kopete and konqueror which crashed on me had me report the bugs directly to bugs.kde.org | 18:29 |
| rgreening | I think It need the launchpad integration patch | 18:32 |
| rgreening | ScottK, eagles0513875^ | 18:32 |
| * ScottK looks at JontheEchidna | 18:33 | |
| eagles0513875 | was thinking bout that probably some sorta integration was missing | 18:33 |
| rgreening | actually, nope, thats in there... maybe its because of non-existnat bindings | 18:33 |
| ScottK | rgreening: To the extent you consider Launchpad integration a feature on your desktop, sure. | 18:33 |
| rgreening | ScottK: now now... :P | 18:34 |
| ScottK | rgreening: Hey, if I wanted non-free stuff in my desktop I'd have signed up for Ubuntu One. | 18:34 |
| rgreening | lol | 18:34 |
| ScottK | More precisely, ... integration with non-free stuff .... | 18:35 |
| rgreening | well, once LP is opened, the point is moo , yes, moo! :) | 18:35 |
| ScottK | rgreening: Unfortunately there are no plans for opening LP. | 18:35 |
| ScottK | Although in the specific case of our LP integration patches the parts they deal with will be opened, so that partial opening is relevant. | 18:36 |
| rgreening | yeah | 18:37 |
| eagles0513875 | scott if i ever start random inappropriate convo in here feel free to take a mallet to me head and remind me plz and ty | 18:41 |
| * rgreening whacks eagles0513875over the head with a mallet | 18:42 | |
| rgreening | just in case :) | 18:42 |
| eagles0513875 | i havent forgotten i have been rather good and behaving sith appropriate dev questions pertaing to karmic | 18:43 |
| ryanakca | ScottK: Back, sorry, was off camping. Did you still need the announcement? | 18:55 |
| ScottK | ryanakca: I haven't looked. | 18:55 |
| ScottK | ryanakca: Looks like we do. | 18:55 |
| ScottK | ryanakca: We also had a comment in here earlier about mentioning adding the key to the 4.2.3 announcement. | 18:56 |
| ryanakca | ScottK: Have it somewheres? | 18:56 |
| ScottK | No. | 18:56 |
| ScottK | Just something about KDE 4.3 Beta 1 being in the Karmic repos. Packages for Jaunty in Kubuntu Experimental | 18:57 |
| ryanakca | ScottK: *nod*, I'll go do that | 18:59 |
| ryanakca | ScottK: posted | 19:12 |
| ScottK | ryanakca: Thanks. | 19:19 |
| neversfelde | ryanakca: I think the repo url is wrong. | 19:22 |
| neversfelde | https://edge.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ppa/+archive/experimental | 19:22 |
| neversfelde | in the old experimental repo is only 4.2.3 | 19:23 |
| eagles0513875 | also someone was complaining about the key not being on kubuntu.or for kubuntu-experimental repo and 4..2.3 | 19:24 |
| ScottK | I don't recall where 4.3 went. | 19:25 |
| ScottK | https://edge.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ppa/+archive/experimental | 19:25 |
| ScottK | Found it | 19:25 |
| harolddong | is the entire update in there yet? I added the edge repo but I'm not showing any updates | 19:40 |
| Mamarok_ | which repo are those Jaunty packages in? I can't see any... | 19:47 |
| Mamarok_ | ok, found it, but only 24 packages? that seems to be not enough | 19:48 |
| neversfelde | Mamarok: https://edge.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ppa/+archive/experimental | 19:48 |
| harolddong | its not showing any updates for me? Is there a certain way I'm supposed to do it? | 19:49 |
| Mamarok_ | neversfelde: sure I will not get pulseaudio installed again with all these meta packages? | 19:50 |
| neversfelde | Mamarok: I do only know the link and have not tested the packages, but I doubt that there is any pulseaudio stuff in this ppa | 19:51 |
| Mamarok_ | neversfelde: well, I still have about 60 instalnces of pulsesomething installed on my system I can't get rid of | 19:52 |
| Mamarok_ | and it came in through the libxine1 plugins | 19:53 |
| Mamarok_ | instances* even... | 19:53 |
| Mamarok_ | cause every time I try to remove those it tries to remove all KDE | 19:53 |
| neversfelde | Mamarok: I have only libpulse0 installed here and this lib seems to be necessary | 19:55 |
| Mamarok_ | neversfelde: I wonder what for, KDE doesn't ue pulseaudio at all... | 19:57 |
| hunger | Is there currently major breakage in karmic? | 20:04 |
| smarter | ryanakca: the deb line in the announcement is wrong | 20:04 |
| smarter | ryanakca: it should be deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/kubuntu-ppa/experimental/ubuntu karmic main | 20:04 |
| smarter | with jaunty instead of karmic | 20:04 |
| smarter | (damn copy-paste which includes a linebreak :p) | 20:04 |
| harolddong | and then I can get it with aptitude full-upgrade? | 20:05 |
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| Sput | neversfelde / Mamarok_: I don't have pulseaudio on my system, I can assure you that it's not needed for xine :) | 21:25 |
| Sput | it probably is when you use gnome, which shows yet again the power of USE flags :) | 21:26 |
| Mamarok_ | Sput: I know itŝ not needed, that doesn't change the fact that it ended up in my Jaunty as it did for hundreds of others and kills the sound in Amarok | 21:26 |
| Sput | yeah I think you'd need different packages for users with and without gnome | 21:26 |
| Sput | with quassel in *buntu it's the other way round, it pulls in kdelibs and stuff even for ubuntu users :/ | 21:26 |
| Mamarok_ | Sput: ... funny, not | 21:26 |
| * Sput got complaints about that | 21:27 | |
| Mamarok_ | where do you get the manpower form to do that? | 21:27 |
| Mamarok_ | from* | 21:27 |
| Sput | Mamarok_: it's an inherent problem of binary distro, unfortunately :/ | 21:27 |
| * ScottK wonder what channel he wondered into. | 21:27 | |
| Sput | probably you can't split libxine in modules? | 21:27 |
| Mamarok_ | ScottK: why? | 21:27 |
| ScottK | Mamarok: See /topic and a Gentoo user is doing most of the talking | 21:28 |
| ScottK | Sput: It's something around that. I don't recall the details. | 21:28 |
| Sput | uh... fedora? | 21:28 |
| Sput | or is my quassel acting up? | 21:28 |
| ScottK | Yeah. | 21:29 |
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| Mamarok_ | ScottK: well, he is the Quassel Man, so it's normal he does all the talking | 21:29 |
| Mamarok_ | Quasseln is German for Chatting | 21:29 |
| ScottK | Right, it was that in conjunction with the /topic change. | 21:29 |
| Sput | yeah, that was a fun mixup :) | 21:29 |
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| Sput | ScottK: did you mention that you intend to package two versions of quassel in the future, or do I remember wrong? | 21:30 |
| ScottK | We're looking at it. | 21:30 |
| Sput | k | 21:30 |
| ScottK | Do a double build. | 21:31 |
| * Sput intends to make things like KDE notifications optional in the future even with KDE integration, but that won't be happening in 0.4.x | 21:31 | |
| harolddong | having a problem with kdebase-runtime-data package in the upgrade | 21:41 |
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| ScottK | What problem? I think JontheEchidna has some fixes queued already. | 22:43 |
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| Tonio_ | ScottK: hi ! tried to install kde 4.3 b1 for jaunty ? | 23:14 |
| Tonio_ | ScottK: | 23:14 |
| Tonio_ | I can get it to install... | 23:14 |
| ScottK | Tonio_: I have not. | 23:14 |
| Tonio_ | that's pretty strange... when I browse the repo with firefox, I can see the good versioned files, and the dist content is correct | 23:15 |
| ScottK | I'm trying to keep my system pristine for 4.2.3 testing if we get it into the official repos. | 23:15 |
| Tonio_ | but apt keeps seeing 4.2.3..... that's weird | 23:15 |
| ScottK | There's two different PPAs with very similar urls. | 23:17 |
| ScottK | You have the wrong one. | 23:17 |
| ScottK | https://edge.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ppa/+archive/experimental | 23:18 |
| Tonio_ | ScottK: how messy.... | 23:19 |
| ScottK | We're in the midst of transitioning. | 23:20 |
| ScottK | 4.2.3 is the last (probably) to be done on the old one. | 23:20 |
| Tonio_ | yup | 23:20 |
| Tonio_ | did anyone tested before installing this ? there are so many file conflicts.... it is barelly installable right now... | 23:30 |
| ScottK | We got most of them. JontheEchidna put some more fixes in bzr if you want to upload. | 23:31 |
| Tonio_ | ScottK oh sure, I have no pb, since I didn't help :) | 23:31 |
| Tonio_ | ScottK I'm just surprised we announced it on kubuntu.org.... | 23:31 |
| Tonio_ | ScottK and that when you install it'll just kick your dpkg ass... | 23:31 |
| ScottK | Tonio_: There are updates for kdepim and kdebase and maybe kdebase-runtime. Can you look them over and sponsor (these are for Karmic). | 23:32 |
| ScottK | Apparently when we merged with Debian a lot of stuff got shoved around. | 23:33 |
| Tonio_ | ScottK hehe :) | 23:33 |
| Tonio_ | ScottK the only problem is that annoucing will lend people to test and that is what gives us a bad reputation.. | 23:33 |
| ScottK | Tonio_: OK. Start fixing. | 23:34 |
| Tonio_ | maybe we shouldn't care as much in having the package as soon as possible... | 23:34 |
| Tonio_ | ScottK sure | 23:34 |
| ScottK | ;-) | 23:34 |
| Tonio_ | ScottK but right now I have to go bed, I have an interview tomorrow early for a job... | 23:34 |
| ScottK | Bah. | 23:34 |
| Tonio_ | ScottK nevermind that wasn't rude criticism at all :) | 23:34 |
| Tonio_ | the one that doesn't do sholdn't complain | 23:34 |
| ScottK | Tonio_: It's fine. | 23:34 |
| ScottK | Tonio_: Just make sure we know what needs doing. | 23:35 |
| Tonio_ | but.... we should take care at announcing things when they are ready :) | 23:35 |
| ScottK | Well I kind of thought they were. | 23:35 |
| harolddong | is the air theme not in the beta? | 23:42 |
| ScottK | It's not | 23:46 |
| harolddong | I can'tget dolphin to open now since updating | 23:46 |
| ScottK | Tonio_: ^^^ How about you? | 23:47 |
| harolddong | konqueror won't open either actuallly | 23:47 |
| harolddong | actually konqueror will work fine as a web browser but if I try to open a folder with it it won't open | 23:48 |
| ScottK | harolddong: Are you on Jaunty or Karmic? | 23:48 |
| harolddong | jaunty | 23:49 |
| ScottK | JontheEchidna: ^^^ I think you needed those other *private*.so that are still in not-installed. | 23:49 |
| Tonio_ | ScottK I'm just reverting to 4.2.3 :) | 23:50 |
| Tonio_ | ScottK unusable atm, I noticed files conflicts between many package.... and no time to fix on my own... | 23:50 |
| ScottK | Tonio_: Can you pastebin your errors somewher? | 23:51 |
| harolddong | hmmm dolphin finally did open for over here after about a 15 minute wait | 23:51 |
| ScottK | OK, well that's something. | 23:52 |
| Tonio_ | ScottK I don't have the logs right now... | 23:52 |
| ScottK | OK. | 23:52 |
| Tonio_ | ScottK I'm free to work on thursday, I'll test then and eventually fix the packages | 23:52 |
| ScottK | OK | 23:52 |
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