[00:28] <tvakah> how come nothing depends on kde-icons-oxygen in karmic
[00:43] <JontheEchidna> probably because it's not part of kdebase-runtime anymore
[00:44] <JontheEchidna> it's a valid bug, though
[04:38] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: Why?  Is Oxgyen required as a theme?
[07:03]  * ScottK takes a shot at fixing qt4-x11 on armel ....
[09:51] <InitMass> when i preview a raw file in digikam i get a nice looking image. when i choose to develop it into a jpeg using digikam the image turns out a lot less nice. any idea why?
[09:52] <InitMass> i'm using version 0.10 but this was present in the previous version as well
[09:53] <eagles0513875> InitMass: please ask in kubuntu
[09:53] <InitMass> sorry
[14:30] <seele> rgreening: besides the specs, do you have a list of topics you wanted to discuss tomorrow?
[14:37] <JontheEchidna> So, is anybody going to announce KDE 4.3 beta packages?
[14:38]  * ScottK prods at ryanakca.
[14:42] <jussi01> JontheEchidna: they are here?
[14:43] <JontheEchidna> jussi01: yeah
[14:43] <jussi01> hrm....
[14:44] <JontheEchidna> https://edge.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ppa/+archive/experimental
[14:47]  * jussi01 upgrades
[14:48] <jussi01> JontheEchidna: I should now remove the 4.2.3 ppa, no?
[14:48] <JontheEchidna> doesn't matter, I don't think
[14:49] <JontheEchidna> it wouldn't hurt anything
[14:49] <jussi01> ok
[14:49] <ScottK> Wiat
[14:49] <jussi01> :)
[14:49] <ScottK> Wiat even
[14:49] <jussi01> lol
[14:49] <ScottK> Wait even
[14:49] <ScottK> Why are we removing 4.2.3?
[14:49] <ScottK> We ought to get it into jaunty-backports first.
[14:49] <jussi01> ScottK: Im updating to the 4,3 beta, was wondering if I should remove the 4.2.3 ppa from my sources
[14:50] <ScottK> jussi01: OK.
[14:50]  * jussi01 giggles at ScottK getting paranoid :D
[14:50] <ScottK> Sorry, I jumped in the middle are read that as deleting 4.2.3 packages FROM the PPA.
[14:51] <jussi01> JontheEchidna: http://paste.ubuntu.com/174935/
[14:52] <JontheEchidna> meh, where do these keep coming from?
[14:54] <jussi01> JontheEchidna: good thing I tested it :D - could it be from the fact I had 4.2.3 installed?
[14:54] <JontheEchidna> could be
[14:54] <JontheEchidna> but I tested from 4.2.3 too
[14:56] <jussi01> JontheEchidna: I can just --force-all install them for now, right?
[14:56] <JontheEchidna> yeah
[14:56] <JontheEchidna> as long as I have the log I can fix 'em
[14:57] <jussi01> well that paste is enough, rihgt?
[14:57]  * jussi01 is a bit out of things...
[14:57] <JontheEchidna> yeah
[15:00]  * JontheEchidna will be back
[15:10] <jjesse> morning
[15:31] <jussi01> hi jjesse
[15:31] <jussi01> Hrm, thats interesting - new menu structure in the beta
[15:38] <JontheEchidna> The "map containments to virtual desktops" feature seems to be working great, I think we should conisder enabling it by default
[15:39] <eagles0513875> also the new network manager is really looking promising both dhcp and static wired works for me granted when setting up the connection i get random plasma crashes
[15:40] <eagles0513875> JontheEchidna: any chance the newer snapshot of network manager widget can be pushed to jaunty as an update. for me the one currently in jaunt seems to dislike my chipset and i wasnt able to get on the net without by passing it all together.
[15:41] <JontheEchidna> one is undergoing testing, it will be pushed as soon as prudently possible
[15:42] <eagles0513875> im currently on karmic and the one on here is working fine for me
[15:42] <ScottK> That's the one we're testing for an update.
[15:54] <JontheEchidna> what happens if two source packages both provide a binary package of the same name?
[15:55] <JontheEchidna> oh, it's just the .install file sticking around. The package isn't in debian/control anymore
[16:00] <JontheEchidna> ScottK: I have a new kdepim and kdebase. Soon to be a new -runtime
[16:00] <ScottK> Again?
[16:00] <jussi01> JontheEchidna: Im getting a weird message in ktorrent - Could not start process Unable to create io-slave: klauncher said: Error loading 'kio_http'. .
[16:00] <JontheEchidna> yeah, jussi01 found some new ones :/
[16:00] <jussi01> JontheEchidna: where do you want bugs`?
[16:00] <JontheEchidna> thanks for those new ones, btw :)
[16:00] <jussi01> no probs... :D
[16:01] <JontheEchidna> bugs can go in the bug tracker, since we have 4.2.85 in karmic
[16:01] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: I think I got armel, ia64, and sparc figured out.
[16:01] <jussi01> JontheEchidna: event though im on jaunty?
[16:01] <JontheEchidna> jussi01: yes, the packages are nearly identical
[16:02] <jussi01> JontheEchidna: ok, great.
[16:02] <JontheEchidna> ScottK: oh?
[16:03] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: Yeah.  ia64 and sparc look like archive skew.  I got qedje to build last night and am waiting for workspace now.
[16:03] <JontheEchidna> cool, maybe we can really, really get ports down this release
[16:03] <ScottK> I think Armel has a boost related problem.  I uploaded a new boost1.35 last night and I'm waiting for qt4-x11 rise t to the top of the queue.
[16:04] <JontheEchidna> we did get sparc last time, right?
[16:06] <ScottK> Last time we had everything but hppa built.
[16:07] <ScottK> Sparc and ia64 had kernel installability problems though
[16:07] <JontheEchidna> Oh, did I tell you guys I found a similar RSSNow bug in KDE 4.2.85? (kde bug 193123)
[16:08] <JontheEchidna> One might conjecture that there's a chance that if that gets fixed, the other invisibility bug will get fixed too
[16:09] <jussi01> well n o bug report at this moment, LP is being evil and timinig out
[16:11] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: Good news.
[16:11] <ScottK> jussi01: Email interface FTW.
[16:12] <jussi01> ScottK: yeah, I should learn how that works at some point... :D
[16:13] <eagles0513875> thought i would let you guys know there is a bug in the kdenlive package when i try to run the presentation that i have created it crashes plasma but i compiled it form source in the repos it doesnt crash plasma
[16:14] <ScottK> eagles0513875: Karmic?
[16:14] <eagles0513875> ya
[16:14] <ScottK> No great suprise there.
[16:14] <ScottK> Do file a bug though so we remember to deal with it.
[16:15] <eagles0513875> will do
[16:15] <eagles0513875> also working im guessing with upstream dev to test something for him
[16:15] <ScottK> OK.  Tonio_ is interested in kdenlive, IIRC.
[16:16] <eagles0513875> should i ping him and discuss it with him
[16:16] <ScottK> eagles0513875: I just did.
[16:16] <eagles0513875> thanks
[16:18] <Tonio_> eagles0513875: plop !
[16:18] <eagles0513875> hey Tonio_were you the one who packaged kdenlive for karmic
[16:18] <Tonio_> eagles0513875: nope
[16:18] <Tonio_> eagles0513875: jaunty
[16:19] <Tonio_> eagles0513875: hum maybe I just uploaded an update, but that's just a new dep added (frei0r plugin afaik)
[16:19] <Tonio_> eagles0513875: are you using karmic ?
[16:19] <eagles0513875> well the karmic one when trying to run the presentation that one creates causes plasma to crash. when i compiled from source it doesnt cause plasma to crash any more but a differernt error which im working with peace- who seems to be upstream dev.
[16:19] <eagles0513875> ya i am
[16:19] <eagles0513875> testing out some other issues that jaunty was pissing me off with
[16:20] <Tonio_> eagles0513875: yup kdenlive is far from being stable atm...
[16:20] <Tonio_> eagles0513875: hopefully, there will be another release before karmic comes out
[16:21] <Tonio_> eagles0513875: to be honnest, I'm a bit out of kubuntu atm, just a matter of 2 or 3 weeks :)
[16:21] <eagles0513875> would a recompilation from current source in repos help anything
[16:21] <Tonio_> eagles0513875: I have to find a job, which is a lot more important for me :)
[16:21] <eagles0513875> ya i understand
[16:21] <Tonio_> eagles0513875: well you can test locally to rebuild the package, and eventually I'll reupload if it happens to fix it for you
[16:22] <eagles0513875> will have to figure out how to do that  tomorrow once im finally free for summer
[17:10] <larsivi> hi, I tried to upgrade to kde 4.2.3 for jaunty but got a key error
[17:10] <larsivi> no public key
[17:10] <larsivi> and there was no mention of keys on the kubuntu page either (as there has been in the pas)
[17:10] <larsivi> *past
[17:12] <eagles0513875> !gpgerr | larsivi
[17:12] <eagles0513875> larsivi: you would need to find the key for the repo 4.2.3 is in
[17:13] <larsivi> eagles0513875: right - but why not add this info to the 4.2.3 page on kubuntu.org?
[17:13] <eagles0513875> tbh i am not sure let me try and find it for you
[17:15] <eagles0513875> larsivi: the key is 493b3065 follow the commands above and you should be good to go
[17:15]  * ScottK notes https://blueprints.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/security-karmic-no-sudo/ to Kuubntu people going to UDS as he doesn't want to be the only Kubuntu person there.
[17:15] <larsivi> eagles0513875: thanks :) but I still recommend adding it to your web page ;)
[17:16] <eagles0513875> larsivi: also that is a question for the kubuntu channel btw this is just development channel
[17:16] <larsivi> eagles0513875: I know, but fixing the web page is a dev request
[17:17] <eagles0513875> i hear ya
[17:17] <jussi01> larsivi: probably a good idea to file a bug
[17:18] <ScottK> rgreening: Would you please mark yourself 'essential' for https://blueprints.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/dx-karmic-kde-integration
[17:19] <larsivi> jussi01: it would take me longer to file a bug in launchpad than to actually copy/paste the gpg key message from earlier KDE updates
[17:20] <jussi01> larsivi: true, but ryanakca isnt around at the moment and a bug will make sure that the correct person is notified and therefore the issue gets fixed
[17:21] <larsivi> My launchpad+bugs.kde quota has been filled today :P
[17:21] <jussi01> :P
[17:22] <eagles0513875> 4.3 has something the devs will like in regards to upstream bug reporting
[18:21] <eagles0513875> is it gonna be the norm in 4.3 that all kde apps report bugs upstream directly to kde instead of to lp
[18:29] <ScottK> eagles0513875: No.
[18:29] <eagles0513875> ok thats interested cuz for instance kopete and konqueror which crashed on me had me report the bugs directly to bugs.kde.org
[18:32] <rgreening> I think It need the launchpad integration patch
[18:32] <rgreening> ScottK, eagles0513875^
[18:33]  * ScottK looks at JontheEchidna
[18:33] <eagles0513875> was thinking bout that probably some sorta integration was missing
[18:33] <rgreening> actually, nope, thats in there... maybe its because of non-existnat bindings
[18:33] <ScottK> rgreening: To the extent you consider Launchpad integration a feature on your desktop, sure.
[18:34] <rgreening> ScottK: now now... :P
[18:34] <ScottK> rgreening: Hey, if I wanted non-free stuff in my desktop I'd have signed up for Ubuntu One.
[18:34] <rgreening> lol
[18:35] <ScottK> More precisely, ... integration with non-free stuff ....
[18:35] <rgreening> well, once LP is opened, the point is moo , yes, moo! :)
[18:35] <ScottK> rgreening: Unfortunately there are no plans for opening LP.
[18:36] <ScottK> Although in the specific case of our LP integration patches the parts they deal with will be opened, so that partial opening is relevant.
[18:37] <rgreening> yeah
[18:41] <eagles0513875> scott if i ever start random inappropriate convo in here feel free to take a mallet to me head and remind me plz and ty
[18:42]  * rgreening whacks eagles0513875over the head with a mallet
[18:42] <rgreening> just in case :)
[18:43] <eagles0513875> i havent forgotten i have been rather good and behaving sith appropriate dev questions pertaing to karmic
[18:55] <ryanakca> ScottK: Back, sorry, was off camping. Did you still need the announcement?
[18:55] <ScottK> ryanakca: I haven't looked.
[18:55] <ScottK> ryanakca: Looks like we do.
[18:56] <ScottK> ryanakca: We also had a comment in here earlier about mentioning adding the key to the 4.2.3 announcement.
[18:56] <ryanakca> ScottK: Have it somewheres?
[18:56] <ScottK> No.
[18:57] <ScottK> Just something about KDE 4.3 Beta 1 being in the Karmic repos.  Packages for Jaunty in Kubuntu Experimental
[18:59] <ryanakca> ScottK: *nod*, I'll go do that
[19:12] <ryanakca> ScottK: posted
[19:19] <ScottK> ryanakca: Thanks.
[19:22] <neversfelde> ryanakca: I think the repo url is wrong.
[19:22] <neversfelde> https://edge.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ppa/+archive/experimental
[19:23] <neversfelde> in the old experimental repo is only 4.2.3
[19:24] <eagles0513875> also someone was complaining about the key not being on kubuntu.or for kubuntu-experimental repo and 4..2.3
[19:25] <ScottK> I don't recall where 4.3 went.
[19:25] <ScottK> https://edge.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ppa/+archive/experimental
[19:25] <ScottK> Found it
[19:40] <harolddong> is the entire update in there yet?  I added the edge repo but I'm not showing any updates
[19:47] <Mamarok_> which repo are those Jaunty packages in? I can't see any...
[19:48] <Mamarok_> ok, found it, but only 24 packages? that seems to be not enough
[19:48] <neversfelde> Mamarok: https://edge.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ppa/+archive/experimental
[19:49] <harolddong> its not showing any updates for me?  Is there a certain way I'm supposed to do it?
[19:50] <Mamarok_> neversfelde: sure I will not get pulseaudio installed again with all these meta packages?
[19:51] <neversfelde> Mamarok: I do only know the link and have not tested the packages, but I doubt that there is any pulseaudio stuff in this ppa
[19:52] <Mamarok_> neversfelde: well, I still have about 60 instalnces of pulsesomething installed on my system I can't get rid of
[19:53] <Mamarok_> and it came in through the libxine1 plugins
[19:53] <Mamarok_> instances* even...
[19:53] <Mamarok_> cause every time I try to remove those it tries to remove all KDE
[19:55] <neversfelde> Mamarok:  I have only libpulse0 installed here and this lib seems to be necessary
[19:57] <Mamarok_> neversfelde: I wonder what for, KDE doesn't ue pulseaudio at all...
[20:04] <hunger> Is there currently major breakage in karmic?
[20:04] <smarter> ryanakca: the deb line in the announcement is wrong
[20:04] <smarter> ryanakca: it should be deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/kubuntu-ppa/experimental/ubuntu karmic main
[20:04] <smarter> with jaunty instead of karmic
[20:04] <smarter> (damn copy-paste which includes a linebreak :p)
[20:05] <harolddong> and then I can get it with aptitude full-upgrade?
[21:25] <Sput> neversfelde / Mamarok_: I don't have pulseaudio on my system, I can assure you that it's not needed for xine :)
[21:26] <Sput> it probably is when you use gnome, which shows yet again the power of USE flags :)
[21:26] <Mamarok_> Sput: I know itŝ not needed, that doesn't change the fact that it ended up in my Jaunty as it did for hundreds of others and kills the sound in Amarok
[21:26] <Sput> yeah I think you'd need different packages for users with and without gnome
[21:26] <Sput> with quassel in *buntu it's the other way round, it pulls in kdelibs and stuff even for ubuntu users :/
[21:26] <Mamarok_> Sput: ... funny, not
[21:27]  * Sput got complaints about that
[21:27] <Mamarok_> where do you get the manpower form to do that?
[21:27] <Mamarok_> from*
[21:27] <Sput> Mamarok_: it's an inherent problem of binary distro, unfortunately :/
[21:27]  * ScottK wonder what channel he wondered into.
[21:27] <Sput> probably you can't split libxine in modules?
[21:27] <Mamarok_> ScottK: why?
[21:28] <ScottK> Mamarok: See /topic and a Gentoo user is doing most of the talking
[21:28] <ScottK> Sput: It's something around that.  I don't recall the details.
[21:28] <Sput> uh... fedora?
[21:28] <Sput> or is my quassel acting up?
[21:29] <ScottK> Yeah.
[21:29] <Mamarok_> ScottK: well, he is the Quassel Man, so it's normal he does all the talking
[21:29] <Mamarok_> Quasseln is German for Chatting
[21:29] <ScottK> Right, it was that in conjunction with the /topic change.
[21:29] <Sput> yeah, that was a fun mixup :)
[21:30] <Sput> ScottK: did you mention that you intend to package two versions of quassel in the future, or do I remember wrong?
[21:30] <ScottK> We're looking at it.
[21:30] <Sput> k
[21:31] <ScottK> Do a double build.
[21:31]  * Sput intends to make things like KDE notifications optional in the future even with KDE integration, but that won't be happening in 0.4.x
[21:41] <harolddong> having a problem with kdebase-runtime-data package in the upgrade
[22:43] <ScottK> What problem?  I think JontheEchidna has some fixes queued already.
[23:14] <Tonio_> ScottK: hi ! tried to install kde 4.3 b1 for jaunty ?
[23:14] <Tonio_> ScottK:
[23:14] <Tonio_> I can get it to install...
[23:14] <ScottK> Tonio_: I have not.
[23:15] <Tonio_> that's pretty strange... when I browse the repo with firefox, I can see the good versioned files, and the dist content is correct
[23:15] <ScottK> I'm trying to keep my system pristine for 4.2.3 testing if we get it into the official repos.
[23:15] <Tonio_> but apt keeps seeing 4.2.3..... that's weird
[23:17] <ScottK> There's two different PPAs with very similar urls.
[23:17] <ScottK> You have the wrong one.
[23:18] <ScottK> https://edge.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ppa/+archive/experimental
[23:19] <Tonio_> ScottK: how messy....
[23:20] <ScottK> We're in the midst of transitioning.
[23:20] <ScottK> 4.2.3 is the last (probably) to be done on the old one.
[23:20] <Tonio_> yup
[23:30] <Tonio_> did anyone tested before installing this ? there are so many file conflicts.... it is barelly installable right now...
[23:31] <ScottK> We got most of them.  JontheEchidna put some more fixes in bzr if you want to upload.
[23:31] <Tonio_> ScottK oh sure, I have no pb, since I didn't help :)
[23:31] <Tonio_> ScottK I'm just surprised we announced it on kubuntu.org....
[23:31] <Tonio_> ScottK and that when you install it'll just kick your dpkg ass...
[23:32] <ScottK> Tonio_: There are updates for kdepim and kdebase and maybe  kdebase-runtime.  Can you look them over and sponsor (these are for Karmic).
[23:33] <ScottK> Apparently when we merged with Debian a lot of stuff got shoved around.
[23:33] <Tonio_> ScottK hehe :)
[23:33] <Tonio_> ScottK the only problem is that annoucing will lend people to test and that is what gives us a bad reputation..
[23:34] <ScottK> Tonio_: OK.  Start fixing.
[23:34] <Tonio_> maybe we shouldn't care as much in having the package as soon as possible...
[23:34] <Tonio_> ScottK sure
[23:34] <ScottK> ;-)
[23:34] <Tonio_> ScottK but right now I have to go bed, I have an interview tomorrow early for a job...
[23:34] <ScottK> Bah.
[23:34] <Tonio_> ScottK nevermind that wasn't rude criticism at all :)
[23:34] <Tonio_> the one that doesn't do sholdn't complain
[23:34] <ScottK> Tonio_: It's fine.
[23:35] <ScottK> Tonio_: Just make sure we know what needs doing.
[23:35] <Tonio_> but.... we should take care at announcing things when they are ready :)
[23:35] <ScottK> Well I kind of thought they were.
[23:42] <harolddong> is the air theme not in the beta?
[23:46] <ScottK> It's not
[23:46] <harolddong> I can'tget dolphin to open now since updating
[23:47] <ScottK> Tonio_: ^^^ How about you?
[23:47] <harolddong> konqueror won't open either actuallly
[23:48] <harolddong> actually konqueror will work fine as a web browser but if I try to open a folder with it it won't open
[23:48] <ScottK> harolddong: Are you on Jaunty or Karmic?
[23:49] <harolddong> jaunty
[23:49] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: ^^^ I think you needed those other *private*.so that are still in not-installed.
[23:50] <Tonio_> ScottK I'm just reverting to 4.2.3 :)
[23:50] <Tonio_> ScottK unusable atm, I noticed files conflicts between many package.... and no time to fix on my own...
[23:51] <ScottK> Tonio_: Can you pastebin your errors somewher?
[23:51] <harolddong> hmmm dolphin finally did open for over here after about a 15 minute wait
[23:52] <ScottK> OK, well that's something.
[23:52] <Tonio_> ScottK I don't have the logs right now...
[23:52] <ScottK> OK.
[23:52] <Tonio_> ScottK I'm free to work on thursday, I'll test then and eventually fix the packages
[23:52] <ScottK> OK