[00:28] how come nothing depends on kde-icons-oxygen in karmic [00:43] probably because it's not part of kdebase-runtime anymore [00:44] it's a valid bug, though [04:38] JontheEchidna: Why? Is Oxgyen required as a theme? [07:03] * ScottK takes a shot at fixing qt4-x11 on armel .... [09:51] when i preview a raw file in digikam i get a nice looking image. when i choose to develop it into a jpeg using digikam the image turns out a lot less nice. any idea why? [09:52] i'm using version 0.10 but this was present in the previous version as well [09:53] InitMass: please ask in kubuntu [09:53] sorry === Tonio__ is now known as Tonio_ === dpm_ is now known as dpm [14:30] rgreening: besides the specs, do you have a list of topics you wanted to discuss tomorrow? [14:37] So, is anybody going to announce KDE 4.3 beta packages? [14:38] * ScottK prods at ryanakca. [14:42] JontheEchidna: they are here? [14:43] jussi01: yeah [14:43] hrm.... [14:44] https://edge.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ppa/+archive/experimental [14:47] * jussi01 upgrades [14:48] JontheEchidna: I should now remove the 4.2.3 ppa, no? [14:48] doesn't matter, I don't think [14:49] it wouldn't hurt anything [14:49] ok [14:49] Wiat [14:49] :) [14:49] Wiat even [14:49] lol [14:49] Wait even [14:49] Why are we removing 4.2.3? [14:49] We ought to get it into jaunty-backports first. [14:49] ScottK: Im updating to the 4,3 beta, was wondering if I should remove the 4.2.3 ppa from my sources [14:50] jussi01: OK. [14:50] * jussi01 giggles at ScottK getting paranoid :D [14:50] Sorry, I jumped in the middle are read that as deleting 4.2.3 packages FROM the PPA. [14:51] JontheEchidna: http://paste.ubuntu.com/174935/ [14:52] meh, where do these keep coming from? [14:54] JontheEchidna: good thing I tested it :D - could it be from the fact I had 4.2.3 installed? [14:54] could be [14:54] but I tested from 4.2.3 too [14:56] JontheEchidna: I can just --force-all install them for now, right? [14:56] yeah [14:56] as long as I have the log I can fix 'em [14:57] well that paste is enough, rihgt? [14:57] * jussi01 is a bit out of things... [14:57] yeah [15:00] * JontheEchidna will be back [15:10] morning [15:31] hi jjesse [15:31] Hrm, thats interesting - new menu structure in the beta [15:38] The "map containments to virtual desktops" feature seems to be working great, I think we should conisder enabling it by default [15:39] also the new network manager is really looking promising both dhcp and static wired works for me granted when setting up the connection i get random plasma crashes [15:40] JontheEchidna: any chance the newer snapshot of network manager widget can be pushed to jaunty as an update. for me the one currently in jaunt seems to dislike my chipset and i wasnt able to get on the net without by passing it all together. [15:41] one is undergoing testing, it will be pushed as soon as prudently possible [15:42] im currently on karmic and the one on here is working fine for me [15:42] That's the one we're testing for an update. [15:54] what happens if two source packages both provide a binary package of the same name? [15:55] oh, it's just the .install file sticking around. The package isn't in debian/control anymore [16:00] ScottK: I have a new kdepim and kdebase. Soon to be a new -runtime [16:00] Again? [16:00] JontheEchidna: Im getting a weird message in ktorrent - Could not start process Unable to create io-slave: klauncher said: Error loading 'kio_http'. . [16:00] yeah, jussi01 found some new ones :/ [16:00] JontheEchidna: where do you want bugs`? [16:00] thanks for those new ones, btw :) [16:00] no probs... :D [16:01] bugs can go in the bug tracker, since we have 4.2.85 in karmic [16:01] JontheEchidna: I think I got armel, ia64, and sparc figured out. [16:01] JontheEchidna: event though im on jaunty? [16:01] jussi01: yes, the packages are nearly identical [16:02] JontheEchidna: ok, great. [16:02] ScottK: oh? [16:03] JontheEchidna: Yeah. ia64 and sparc look like archive skew. I got qedje to build last night and am waiting for workspace now. [16:03] cool, maybe we can really, really get ports down this release [16:03] I think Armel has a boost related problem. I uploaded a new boost1.35 last night and I'm waiting for qt4-x11 rise t to the top of the queue. [16:04] we did get sparc last time, right? [16:06] Last time we had everything but hppa built. [16:07] Sparc and ia64 had kernel installability problems though [16:07] Oh, did I tell you guys I found a similar RSSNow bug in KDE 4.2.85? (kde bug 193123) [16:07] KDE bug 193123 in widget-misc "RSSNow widget's content becomes blank after accessing ZUI" [Normal,New] http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=193123 === lubyou_ is now known as lubyou [16:08] One might conjecture that there's a chance that if that gets fixed, the other invisibility bug will get fixed too [16:09] well n o bug report at this moment, LP is being evil and timinig out [16:11] JontheEchidna: Good news. [16:11] jussi01: Email interface FTW. [16:12] ScottK: yeah, I should learn how that works at some point... :D [16:13] thought i would let you guys know there is a bug in the kdenlive package when i try to run the presentation that i have created it crashes plasma but i compiled it form source in the repos it doesnt crash plasma [16:14] eagles0513875: Karmic? [16:14] ya [16:14] No great suprise there. [16:14] Do file a bug though so we remember to deal with it. [16:15] will do [16:15] also working im guessing with upstream dev to test something for him [16:15] OK. Tonio_ is interested in kdenlive, IIRC. [16:16] should i ping him and discuss it with him [16:16] eagles0513875: I just did. [16:16] thanks [16:18] eagles0513875: plop ! [16:18] hey Tonio_were you the one who packaged kdenlive for karmic [16:18] eagles0513875: nope [16:18] eagles0513875: jaunty [16:19] eagles0513875: hum maybe I just uploaded an update, but that's just a new dep added (frei0r plugin afaik) [16:19] eagles0513875: are you using karmic ? [16:19] well the karmic one when trying to run the presentation that one creates causes plasma to crash. when i compiled from source it doesnt cause plasma to crash any more but a differernt error which im working with peace- who seems to be upstream dev. [16:19] ya i am [16:19] testing out some other issues that jaunty was pissing me off with [16:20] eagles0513875: yup kdenlive is far from being stable atm... [16:20] eagles0513875: hopefully, there will be another release before karmic comes out [16:21] eagles0513875: to be honnest, I'm a bit out of kubuntu atm, just a matter of 2 or 3 weeks :) [16:21] would a recompilation from current source in repos help anything [16:21] eagles0513875: I have to find a job, which is a lot more important for me :) [16:21] ya i understand [16:21] eagles0513875: well you can test locally to rebuild the package, and eventually I'll reupload if it happens to fix it for you [16:22] will have to figure out how to do that tomorrow once im finally free for summer [17:10] hi, I tried to upgrade to kde 4.2.3 for jaunty but got a key error [17:10] no public key [17:10] and there was no mention of keys on the kubuntu page either (as there has been in the pas) [17:10] *past [17:12] !gpgerr | larsivi [17:12] larsivi: Getting GPG errors after adding custom repositories? Find the GPG keyword for the repository (it's 437D05B5 for the standard ones) and run « gpg --keyserver hkp://subkeys.pgp.net --recv-keys ; gpg --export --armor | sudo apt-key add - » [17:12] larsivi: you would need to find the key for the repo 4.2.3 is in [17:13] eagles0513875: right - but why not add this info to the 4.2.3 page on kubuntu.org? [17:13] tbh i am not sure let me try and find it for you [17:15] larsivi: the key is 493b3065 follow the commands above and you should be good to go [17:15] * ScottK notes https://blueprints.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/security-karmic-no-sudo/ to Kuubntu people going to UDS as he doesn't want to be the only Kubuntu person there. [17:15] eagles0513875: thanks :) but I still recommend adding it to your web page ;) [17:16] larsivi: also that is a question for the kubuntu channel btw this is just development channel [17:16] eagles0513875: I know, but fixing the web page is a dev request [17:17] i hear ya [17:17] larsivi: probably a good idea to file a bug [17:18] rgreening: Would you please mark yourself 'essential' for https://blueprints.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/dx-karmic-kde-integration [17:19] jussi01: it would take me longer to file a bug in launchpad than to actually copy/paste the gpg key message from earlier KDE updates [17:20] larsivi: true, but ryanakca isnt around at the moment and a bug will make sure that the correct person is notified and therefore the issue gets fixed [17:21] My launchpad+bugs.kde quota has been filled today :P [17:21] :P [17:22] 4.3 has something the devs will like in regards to upstream bug reporting === nhnFreespirit is now known as nhnElectionMeeti === nhnElectionMeeti is now known as nhnDebate === tvakah_ is now known as tvakah [18:21] is it gonna be the norm in 4.3 that all kde apps report bugs upstream directly to kde instead of to lp [18:29] eagles0513875: No. [18:29] ok thats interested cuz for instance kopete and konqueror which crashed on me had me report the bugs directly to bugs.kde.org [18:32] I think It need the launchpad integration patch [18:32] ScottK, eagles0513875^ [18:33] * ScottK looks at JontheEchidna [18:33] was thinking bout that probably some sorta integration was missing [18:33] actually, nope, thats in there... maybe its because of non-existnat bindings [18:33] rgreening: To the extent you consider Launchpad integration a feature on your desktop, sure. [18:34] ScottK: now now... :P [18:34] rgreening: Hey, if I wanted non-free stuff in my desktop I'd have signed up for Ubuntu One. [18:34] lol [18:35] More precisely, ... integration with non-free stuff .... [18:35] well, once LP is opened, the point is moo , yes, moo! :) [18:35] rgreening: Unfortunately there are no plans for opening LP. [18:36] Although in the specific case of our LP integration patches the parts they deal with will be opened, so that partial opening is relevant. [18:37] yeah [18:41] scott if i ever start random inappropriate convo in here feel free to take a mallet to me head and remind me plz and ty [18:42] * rgreening whacks eagles0513875over the head with a mallet [18:42] just in case :) [18:43] i havent forgotten i have been rather good and behaving sith appropriate dev questions pertaing to karmic [18:55] ScottK: Back, sorry, was off camping. Did you still need the announcement? [18:55] ryanakca: I haven't looked. [18:55] ryanakca: Looks like we do. [18:56] ryanakca: We also had a comment in here earlier about mentioning adding the key to the 4.2.3 announcement. [18:56] ScottK: Have it somewheres? [18:56] No. [18:57] Just something about KDE 4.3 Beta 1 being in the Karmic repos. Packages for Jaunty in Kubuntu Experimental [18:59] ScottK: *nod*, I'll go do that [19:12] ScottK: posted [19:19] ryanakca: Thanks. [19:22] ryanakca: I think the repo url is wrong. [19:22] https://edge.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ppa/+archive/experimental [19:23] in the old experimental repo is only 4.2.3 [19:24] also someone was complaining about the key not being on kubuntu.or for kubuntu-experimental repo and 4..2.3 [19:25] I don't recall where 4.3 went. [19:25] https://edge.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ppa/+archive/experimental [19:25] Found it [19:40] is the entire update in there yet? I added the edge repo but I'm not showing any updates [19:47] which repo are those Jaunty packages in? I can't see any... [19:48] ok, found it, but only 24 packages? that seems to be not enough [19:48] Mamarok: https://edge.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ppa/+archive/experimental [19:49] its not showing any updates for me? Is there a certain way I'm supposed to do it? [19:50] neversfelde: sure I will not get pulseaudio installed again with all these meta packages? [19:51] Mamarok: I do only know the link and have not tested the packages, but I doubt that there is any pulseaudio stuff in this ppa [19:52] neversfelde: well, I still have about 60 instalnces of pulsesomething installed on my system I can't get rid of [19:53] and it came in through the libxine1 plugins [19:53] instances* even... [19:53] cause every time I try to remove those it tries to remove all KDE [19:55] Mamarok: I have only libpulse0 installed here and this lib seems to be necessary [19:57] neversfelde: I wonder what for, KDE doesn't ue pulseaudio at all... [20:04] Is there currently major breakage in karmic? [20:04] ryanakca: the deb line in the announcement is wrong [20:04] ryanakca: it should be deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/kubuntu-ppa/experimental/ubuntu karmic main [20:04] with jaunty instead of karmic [20:04] (damn copy-paste which includes a linebreak :p) [20:05] and then I can get it with aptitude full-upgrade? === rdieter changed the topic of #kubuntu-devel to: Fedora-KDE forum. http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/SIGs/KDE , Current: F9/F10/F11: 4.2.2, updates-testing: 4.2.3, Rawhide (F12): 4.2.85 [21:25] neversfelde / Mamarok_: I don't have pulseaudio on my system, I can assure you that it's not needed for xine :) [21:26] it probably is when you use gnome, which shows yet again the power of USE flags :) [21:26] Sput: I know itŝ not needed, that doesn't change the fact that it ended up in my Jaunty as it did for hundreds of others and kills the sound in Amarok [21:26] yeah I think you'd need different packages for users with and without gnome [21:26] with quassel in *buntu it's the other way round, it pulls in kdelibs and stuff even for ubuntu users :/ [21:26] Sput: ... funny, not [21:27] * Sput got complaints about that [21:27] where do you get the manpower form to do that? [21:27] from* [21:27] Mamarok_: it's an inherent problem of binary distro, unfortunately :/ [21:27] * ScottK wonder what channel he wondered into. [21:27] probably you can't split libxine in modules? [21:27] ScottK: why? [21:28] Mamarok: See /topic and a Gentoo user is doing most of the talking [21:28] Sput: It's something around that. I don't recall the details. [21:28] uh... fedora? [21:28] or is my quassel acting up? [21:29] Yeah. === ScottK changed the topic of #kubuntu-devel to: You are beautiful! | https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuKarmicSpecs | Sync/Merges: http://qa.ubuntuwire.com/multidistrotools/kubuntu-desktop.html [21:29] ScottK: well, he is the Quassel Man, so it's normal he does all the talking [21:29] Quasseln is German for Chatting [21:29] Right, it was that in conjunction with the /topic change. [21:29] yeah, that was a fun mixup :) === JontheEchidna changed the topic of #kubuntu-devel to: Alpha 1 out! | https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuKarmicSpecs | Sync/Merges: http://qa.ubuntuwire.com/multidistrotools/kubuntu-desktop.html [21:30] ScottK: did you mention that you intend to package two versions of quassel in the future, or do I remember wrong? [21:30] We're looking at it. [21:30] k [21:31] Do a double build. [21:31] * Sput intends to make things like KDE notifications optional in the future even with KDE integration, but that won't be happening in 0.4.x [21:41] having a problem with kdebase-runtime-data package in the upgrade === fregl_ is now known as fregl [22:43] What problem? I think JontheEchidna has some fixes queued already. === gkiagia_ is now known as gkiagia [23:14] ScottK: hi ! tried to install kde 4.3 b1 for jaunty ? [23:14] ScottK: [23:14] I can get it to install... [23:14] Tonio_: I have not. [23:15] that's pretty strange... when I browse the repo with firefox, I can see the good versioned files, and the dist content is correct [23:15] I'm trying to keep my system pristine for 4.2.3 testing if we get it into the official repos. [23:15] but apt keeps seeing 4.2.3..... that's weird [23:17] There's two different PPAs with very similar urls. [23:17] You have the wrong one. [23:18] https://edge.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ppa/+archive/experimental [23:19] ScottK: how messy.... [23:20] We're in the midst of transitioning. [23:20] 4.2.3 is the last (probably) to be done on the old one. [23:20] yup [23:30] did anyone tested before installing this ? there are so many file conflicts.... it is barelly installable right now... [23:31] We got most of them. JontheEchidna put some more fixes in bzr if you want to upload. [23:31] ScottK oh sure, I have no pb, since I didn't help :) [23:31] ScottK I'm just surprised we announced it on kubuntu.org.... [23:31] ScottK and that when you install it'll just kick your dpkg ass... [23:32] Tonio_: There are updates for kdepim and kdebase and maybe kdebase-runtime. Can you look them over and sponsor (these are for Karmic). [23:33] Apparently when we merged with Debian a lot of stuff got shoved around. [23:33] ScottK hehe :) [23:33] ScottK the only problem is that annoucing will lend people to test and that is what gives us a bad reputation.. [23:34] Tonio_: OK. Start fixing. [23:34] maybe we shouldn't care as much in having the package as soon as possible... [23:34] ScottK sure [23:34] ;-) [23:34] ScottK but right now I have to go bed, I have an interview tomorrow early for a job... [23:34] Bah. [23:34] ScottK nevermind that wasn't rude criticism at all :) [23:34] the one that doesn't do sholdn't complain [23:34] Tonio_: It's fine. [23:35] Tonio_: Just make sure we know what needs doing. [23:35] but.... we should take care at announcing things when they are ready :) [23:35] Well I kind of thought they were. [23:42] is the air theme not in the beta? [23:46] It's not [23:46] I can'tget dolphin to open now since updating [23:47] Tonio_: ^^^ How about you? [23:47] konqueror won't open either actuallly [23:48] actually konqueror will work fine as a web browser but if I try to open a folder with it it won't open [23:48] harolddong: Are you on Jaunty or Karmic? [23:49] jaunty [23:49] JontheEchidna: ^^^ I think you needed those other *private*.so that are still in not-installed. [23:50] ScottK I'm just reverting to 4.2.3 :) [23:50] ScottK unusable atm, I noticed files conflicts between many package.... and no time to fix on my own... [23:51] Tonio_: Can you pastebin your errors somewher? [23:51] hmmm dolphin finally did open for over here after about a 15 minute wait [23:52] OK, well that's something. [23:52] ScottK I don't have the logs right now... [23:52] OK. [23:52] ScottK I'm free to work on thursday, I'll test then and eventually fix the packages [23:52] OK