[00:00] <yoasif> DanaG: ah, i see
[00:00] <DanaG> I haven't tried RC.  Anyway, on my ubuntu, lemme' count my notification-area stuff:
[00:00] <ienorand> cwillu: Yea, I guess, everyone without volume controls otherwise would scream...
[00:01] <yoasif> cwillu: the volume applet doesn't show up in the notification area though anyway
[00:01] <DanaG> update-notifier: not usually there.  vuze: rarely run; quodlibet (often there), network, padevchooser, battery, volume, bluetooth, SCIM.
[00:01] <DanaG> s/tooth/man/
[00:01] <DanaG> BlueMan.  Because gnome's bluetooth thingy can't do jack-diddly-squat.
[00:02] <cwillu> netapplet is useful to have around too though
[00:02] <yoasif> cwillu: it's so buggy.
[00:02] <cwillu> I turn off wireless on battery if I'm not planning to use it, for instance,
[00:03] <cwillu> yoasif, eh?
[00:03] <yoasif> nm-applet, right?
[00:03] <ienorand> If you are mobile yes, if you are on wired... not so much.
[00:03] <cwillu> yoasif, I can't remember the last time I ran into an nm-applet bug
[00:04] <BUGabundo1> since JJ nm-applet seems stable
[00:04] <yoasif> cwillu: 158 open bugs in launchpad, and i see the one where it fills in garbage info when trying to reconnect to a network -- just fills in the password field with crap
[00:04] <BUGabundo1> but netspeed applet is just crazy
[00:05]  * BUGabundo1 goes to bed
[00:10] <cwillu> yoasif, as opposed to the 674 open bugs in gedit, or the 1367 open bugs in gnome-panel?
[00:11] <yoasif> cwillu: either way, there are bugs that affect me that have not been fixed - i've used wicd, but that's not so great either
[00:11] <Ubuntudad> hello, i tried out the alpha of kubuntu and konquerer closes with every attempt to open a webpage and then on a restart i get nothing but a terminal...seems very unstable right now
[00:11] <cwillu> yoasif, I never said it was flawless, and I never said that nobody sees issues with it.  But one person's bad experience doesn't mean the whole package is buggy (with the implication that it should just be ripped out and replaced)
[00:12] <cwillu> pulseaudio, _that_ was buggy back in the day.  Compiz in edgy, that was buggy.  nm-applet these days, not so much :p
[00:12] <yoasif> cwillu: no, the implication is that it should be fixed.
[00:13] <yoasif> cwillu: pulseaudio/alsa/kernel is still buggy for me
[00:13] <cwillu> yoasif, then every package in ubuntu is buggy
[00:13] <cwillu> at which point, the word isn't really adding much to the conversation
[00:13] <yoasif> cwillu: you don't see me disagreeing with that
[00:13] <yoasif> cwillu: why not?
[00:14] <cwillu> yoasif, because it's a tautology
[00:14] <yoasif> i'm not saying the same thing twice, they are buggy. full stop.
[00:14] <cwillu> the only way buggy-as-a-word has any real value is if it's in comparison to something else.  "Ubuntu is buggy (compared to gentoo)" for instance
[00:15] <yoasif> cwillu: ubuntu is buggy compared to windows/mac os x then
[00:15] <cwillu> HAH
[00:16] <yoasif> cwillu: i'm running karmic, aren't i, you aren't going to convince me that ubuntu isn't at least as buggy as those OSes...
[00:16] <DanaG> My mom's iMac has had more random issues than my systems have ever had -- most of MY issues have been ones I've brought upon myself.  =þ
[00:16] <cwillu> lol, you really mean to compare a random alpha of ubuntu to a released and commercially supported os?
[00:17] <yoasif> cwillu: not at all -- me running karmic was really just a way of showing that i've been around the block
[00:17] <yoasif> cwillu: but i have run stable copies of ubuntu that have issues as well, and i'm sure you have too
[00:17] <yoasif> like pulseaudio and compiz and all that
[00:17] <Ubuntudad> is there a pulseaudio replacement coming?
[00:18] <yoasif> Ubuntudad: no, supposedly it is being fixed, but we've heard that for at least 3 releases
[00:18] <DanaG> I like PulseAudio -- it's awesomely useful for multiple audio devices.
[00:18] <Ubuntudad> how many people actually run multiple audio devices though? you should have seen my trying to get my internal mic to work, what a mess
[00:18] <Ubuntudad> there are about 50 different ways to adjust inputs and levels
[00:19] <Ubuntudad> sound is a disaster in ubuntu
[00:19] <DanaG> I do.  USB sound card for music and games; internal for web audio.
[00:19] <DanaG> That way, if anything that gets by adblockplus makes noise... I just hit mute, and bam, it's muted!
[00:19] <cwillu> Ubuntudad, any replacement to pulseaudio is going to have the same problem there, it's a problem of how much information audio devices present versus how much information we need to make sane default choices
[00:20] <cwillu> DanaG, that's what flashblock is for :p
[00:20] <yoasif> it's kinda sad... ubuntu is decent, but the quality control isn't there for whatever reason -- might be the fact that the developer community is small
[00:20] <DanaG> Same with IM-logon sounds -- low volume on internal speakers.
[00:20] <Ubuntudad> maybe just a more centralized place to control sound then
[00:20] <cwillu> yoasif, the lts releases are generally where you're going to find very good production values
[00:20] <cwillu> I treat the whole 6 month cycle as alphas and betas to the next lts personally
[00:21] <Ubuntudad> that is he way 9.04 feels to me
[00:21] <yoasif> cwillu: yes, but even those aren't that amazing, and if you are going to go with that, why not just run lenny?
[00:21] <Ubuntudad> 9.10 is going to be what i stick with for years
[00:21] <cwillu> that also means I wouldn't even consider putting a non lts on a machine that I wasn't available to support
[00:22] <Ubuntudad> file sharing needs to improve as well
[00:22] <yoasif> cwillu:  there's a marketing problem here -- jaunty shouldn't be on the front page of ubuntu.com if the QA effort isn't being put into that
[00:22] <Ubuntudad> network file sharing that is...ssh just stinks to configure
[00:22] <cwillu> yoasif, I'll give you that
[00:22] <cwillu> yoasif, hell, I don't like how much they push the betas
[00:23]  * cwillu cringes as he reads yet another review of karmic on reddit
[00:23] <cwillu> yes, really
[00:23] <cwillu> they're reviewing it, and nothing major has even landed yet :p
[00:23] <cwillu> although they fixed the kitten eating bug I see
[00:23] <yoasif> cwillu: i want to be clear that i want desktop linux to succeed -- but we need to be more conservative, imo
[00:24] <cwillu> I'd disagree on the whole.  I'm sure there's room for improvement (of course), but I think the lts + 6 month cycle is actually a good fit
[00:25] <Ubuntudad> i like the release cycle, plus the press everytime is good for exposure
[00:25] <cwillu> weird, I have karma on reddit, where did that come from?
[00:25] <yoasif> cwillu: yeah, except that the LTS versions should be the ones on the front page of ubuntu.com :)
[00:25] <yoasif> cwillu: comment karma
[00:25] <Ubuntudad> but the last lts was terrible for me
[00:25] <cwillu> yoasif, at least more promently than they are
[00:25] <cwillu> yoasif, no, this is submission karma
[00:26]  * cwillu checks
[00:26] <cwillu> I've got single comments that got over a hundred upvotes
[00:26] <cwillu> oh, lol, it's actually the kitten eating bug submission that gave me 125 karma
[00:26] <cwillu> first submission I've ever had that actually got upvoted :p
[00:28] <yoasif> is GNOME 3 going to be in karmic or no?
[00:28] <cwillu> gnome 3 doesn't exist yet
[00:28] <Ubuntudad> not that i have heard
[00:28] <yoasif> ah no, looks like LTS
[00:29] <Ubuntudad> i have seen the screenshots of gnome 3...it looks nice
[00:29] <yoasif> is there a compositing metacity?
[00:29] <yoasif> yet*
[00:29] <cwillu> yoasif, metacity has had builtin compositing (but disabled by default) for a while now, no real effects beyond shadows though
[00:29] <cwillu> there's a gconf-key to enable it
[00:29] <yoasif> cwillu: oh shit, about to try that now
[00:29] <DanaG> ...but enabling it tends to block compiz from starting.
[00:30] <Ubuntudad> home encryption
[00:30] <Ubuntudad> why is that not on the main install CD?
[00:30] <cwillu> DanaG, shouldn't, unless compiz isn't running being launched with --replace
[00:30] <yoasif> cwillu: any particular reason that it's not enabled? really buggy?
[00:30] <cwillu> yoasif, you know of xcompmgr?
[00:30] <DanaG> "Unable to obtain compositing manager selection."
[00:30] <yoasif> cwillu: yes
[00:30] <DanaG> !g Unable to obtain compositing manager selection.
[00:30] <cwillu> yoasif, it's a fork
[00:30] <DanaG> dang, no google bot command.
[00:30] <cwillu> metacity's compositing is, rather
[00:31] <cwillu> DanaG, that's unfortunate
[00:31] <yoasif> cwillu: ahh, xcompmgr wasnt that great when i used it in openbox
[00:31] <cwillu> yoasif, it has its uses, and it's been tweaked a little, but generally, ya
[00:32] <Ubuntudad> anyone have ubuntuone yet?
[00:32] <cwillu> big performance win by avoided the dirty redraws, and works on more older cards than compiz ever will, but ya, you understand why it's not enabled by default :)
[00:32] <Ubuntudad> and i wonder if its interface and expansion is being built into karmic?
[00:32] <yoasif> cwillu: it's really pretty atm... not seeing any weird issues yet
[00:32] <cwillu> which, metacity?
[00:32] <yoasif> cwillu: yep
[00:32] <cwillu> yoasif, slow scrolling is one of the usual issues, if you don't see that (in firefox, for instance), you'll probably be fine
[00:33] <yoasif> cwillu: slightly slower alt tab switching windows, but no slow scrolling in minefield
[00:33] <cwillu> k, good signs
[00:33] <cwillu> I'm forgetting something, I know I am
[00:34] <thiebaude1> no problems on my 9.10 and im using intel graphics card
[00:34] <cwillu> thiebaude1, which, compiz or metacity?
[00:34] <thiebaude1> cwillu: metacity
[00:34] <cwillu> intel should work fine unless you're talking really really old intel (like 810 or older)
[00:35] <thiebaude1> my card cant run compiz, wish it could
[00:35] <thiebaude1> i have i815
[00:35] <cwillu> there's nothing fancy going on with xcompmgr and its descendants
[00:35] <thiebaude1> but that fixed 2 days before 9.04 final
[00:35] <thiebaude1> edited my xorg.conf
[00:36] <cwillu> don't think that series has the required features to accelerated compiz to any sane level of performance
[00:36] <yoasif> cwillu: is this something that isn't getting any developer attention?
[00:36] <yoasif> not that it matters, compiz is dead too, heh
[00:36] <cwillu> which, metacity?  they're replacing the whole compositing engine with gnome3.0 anyway
[00:37] <ienorand> Ubuntudad: well there's plans on ubuntuone integration into ubuntu...
[00:37] <cwillu> it really was just a hack, of the "let's see if this works" sort
[00:37] <cwillu> hence the use of xcompmgr
[00:37] <yoasif> cwillu: ah gotcha... i need gnome3 to be out now :) ...compiz is too weird, i need the gnome philosophy for a compositing manager
[00:38] <DanaG> I have my compiz all tweaked: lamp effect on minimize and maximize, and "vacuum" on menu animations.
[00:38] <DanaG> Open and Close are "Dream" and "Sidekick", respectively.
[00:39] <ienorand> hmm, my only problem with compiz is the gazillion different options.. once you get the nailed down, it's pretty ok...
[00:39] <thiebaude1> DanaG: do you have the burning effect when closing a window?
[00:39] <DanaG> Naah, I found it too distracting.
[00:39] <thiebaude1> haha
[00:39] <DanaG> Sidekick is like flicking the corner of a window and watching it spin off into the distance.
[00:39] <yoasif> burn lags a bit on my card sadly
[00:40] <ienorand> I use te zoom effects for open/close and lamp for minimize (hacked to 0 waves...)
[00:40] <DanaG> heh, koala: http://users.csc.calpoly.edu/~dgoyette/koala.gif -- found it on some forums somewhere.
[00:41] <ienorand> But scale is the one I crave though...
[00:41] <thiebaude1> cant wait to buy a new computer
[00:45] <DanaG> I love having a high-resolution display... a matte high-res display has a subjective feel that's slightly like paper.
[00:45] <DanaG> Combine that with the Nodoka gtk2 engine, and it's wonderfully non-glossy -- yet not dull, because I made it bright.\
[00:46] <ienorand> Matte display, I wish I could find that anywhere...
[00:47] <DanaG> Business laptops are where you have to look for those.
[00:48] <DanaG> Consumer ones tend to all be glossy.
[00:49] <ienorand> Yea... but as for the rest of the spcifications, gpu etc. consumer stuff normally matches better..
[00:50] <DanaG> Yeah, business ones are more expensive for the price.
[00:50] <DanaG> I have an EliteBook 8530w that I bought customized to have ATI and 1920x1200 -- I specifically wanted ATI.
[00:58] <tux11> hi
[01:01] <yoasif> cwillu: see msg
[01:01] <tux11> see what player?
[02:10] <wirechief__> i have a issue kernel 2.6.30-5 not being installed because of with the upgrade-manager  update ? https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/377796
[02:12] <wirechief__> sudo dpkg --configure -a' to correct the problem.   doesnt,  the error says:   cpio: ./lib/udev/vol_id: Cannot stat: No such file or directory
[02:29] <Superdweeb> Hey guys , my recovery menu opens every boot. I know this belongs in #ubuntu,  but face it: sometime this last release someone integrated the "recovery" option, and I need to know how to turn it off.
[02:34] <Superdweeb> I removed the recovery package.. someone needs to write a script to ensure automatic scripts don't somehow get run when they shouldn't.
[06:06] <eagles0513875> morning guys
[06:14] <eagles0513875> !gpgerr
[06:18] <DanaG> what about keyserver.ubuntu.com?
[06:18] <eagles0513875> DanaG: adding kubuntu-experimental
[06:18] <eagles0513875> there is newer snapshot of kvirc in there
[06:19] <DanaG> Whenever I use a PPA repo, I use --keyserver keyserver.ubuntu.com
[06:20] <eagles0513875> it works but i need to get to the 2nd part of the command
[06:20] <eagles0513875> export then apt-key add
[06:20] <eagles0513875> brb
[06:21] <eagles0513875> back
[06:25] <eagles0513875> im starting to notice some really nasty things here :(
[07:26] <eagles0513875> anyone alive in here
[07:45] <acicula> yo
[07:46] <eagles0513875> hey hey
[08:21] <ultratek> can i upgrade jaunty 32 bit to 64 bit? using live cd and not over write my current files?
[08:23] <eagles0513875> ultratek: ask in #kubuntu this is the support channel for those testing and working on 9.10
[08:24] <ultratek> eagles, ty
[11:21] <jagadeesh> how do I configure Globespan modem
[11:22] <BUGabundo> jagadeesh: hi
[11:22] <jagadeesh> this is something PPP on USB
[11:22] <BUGabundo> isn't it detected by NM ?
[11:22] <jagadeesh> BUGabundo: no
[11:22] <BUGabundo> jagadeesh: please come to #ubuntu-mozillateam and ping asac on it, ok?
[11:22] <BUGabundo> he is the mantainer of NM
[11:47] <BUGabundo> if anyone sees jagadeesh again, please tell him to pop up on #ubuntu-mozillateam again
[13:06] <Twigathy> I found a bug! Maybe.
[13:06] <Twigathy> My SATA port muliplier works in ubuntu 9.04 live CD but not in my ubuntu 9.10 install...
[13:07] <Twigathy> in 9.10 it seems to cycle between 3gbit and 1.5gbit link speed continuously and never boots
[13:18] <JMFTheVCI> Just installed karmic on a VMware Workstation 6.5.1 VM. No problems seen with the OS. VMware tools will not compile at present.
[13:20] <eagles0513875> Twigathy: JMFTheVCI if you guys find any bugs file on launch pad against the respective packages if you know what bug the package is in
[13:21] <JMFTheVCI> I noticed on the "alternative" CD there was no "live test" option on the CD boot display.
[13:21] <JMFTheVCI> esagles: This is not a karmic issue but a VMware support issue.
[13:22] <eagles0513875> gotcha
[13:23] <JMFTheVCI> I was expecting a bit more issues from the first Alpha. None so far.
[13:24] <JMFTheVCI> Clearly this is virtual hardware and not real but it shows real promise out of the box.
[13:33] <JMFTheVCI> (just read the release notes - No Live CD!)
[13:36] <JMFTheVCI> Just read that gcc is udated. This might be causing the VMware tools to not compile. Does anyone know of possible global switches to make it like the Jaunty gcc?
[13:41] <joaopinto> JMFTheVCI, you should not assum it's a gcc problem unless you understand the error that you are getting
[13:41] <joaopinto> it could be kernel version related
[13:42] <JMFTheVCI> joaopinto, Just looking at the error messages it might be down to some freebsd flags in the Vmware code. I'll ignore it for now.
[13:45] <JMFTheVCI> here is a pastbin of it http://paste.ubuntu.com/174907/
[13:49] <joaopinto> JMFTheVCI, the vmtools module defines a type which conflicts with a kernel header type
[14:02] <JMFTheVCI> joaopinto: guess this will have to wait until VMware update their code. Cheers.
[14:12] <Twigathy> eagles0513875: I'm not sure where the fault lies; if I file it under 'kernel' or something will somebody reclassify it if needed? :)
[14:14] <wirechief> Twigathy: waiting and patience. (this is the toughest part) i think all the bugs get reviewed and then classified but what happens after is a who knows.
[14:14] <Twigathy> *grin* okay
[14:15] <Twigathy> It's okay really, I'm shifting the array (and port multiplier) to a 9.04 box shortly anyway
[14:15]  * wirechief has a bug thats been classified but now what ...
[14:16] <wirechief> i will probably give my  bug a week or so before i decide to punt and reinstall
[14:16] <wirechief> some things are just not fixable.
[14:16] <Twigathy> heh
[14:17] <Twigathy> well, I'm using 9.10 as my desktop/workstation machine and 9.04 on my server
[14:17] <wirechief> but at least by filing a bug they will get looked at.
[14:17] <Twigathy> It doesn't matter hugely if my desktop breaks :)
[14:18] <wirechief> same here, i have several hard drives to test on,  but moveing slowly on problem seems to be a good idea atm
[14:18]  * Twigathy twiddles thumbs and waits for launchpad
[14:18] <wirechief> https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/377796
[14:19] <Twigathy> hmm
[14:19] <wirechief> i got it so the 2.6.30-5 is not a problem, but i am unable to upgrade to it
[14:20] <wirechief> its a amd machine with x1300 ATI card so im not really concerned, just have questions as to why this is stuck.
[14:26] <wirechief>  sudo dpkg --configure -a' to correct the problem.   doesnt,  the error says:   cpio: ./lib/udev/vol_id: Cannot stat: No such file or directory
[14:28] <wirechief> i cant find that ./libudev/vol_id on any installs that im currently testing  (that is the puzzle)
[14:28] <Twigathy> woo, bug filed c_c
[14:32] <BluesKaj> howdy
[14:34] <BUGabundo> hey everyone
[14:34] <BluesKaj> hi BUGabundo
[14:34] <wirechief> hey BUGabundo
[14:35] <BUGabundo> hi BluesKaj wirechief gnomefreak
[14:35] <gnomefreak> hi BUGabundo
[14:37] <BluesKaj> I found the linux driver for the Belkin USB Wifi , but the install didn't work very well. The readme has so many adjustments that have to be made after compiling it's ridiculous , too bad ndiswrapper /windows driver doesn't work either
[14:39] <BluesKaj> guess I have buy more cat5 for the bedroom pc. if i can't get the wifi working on this box
[14:40] <wirechief> BluesKaj: what does dhclient eth0 or eth1 do ?
[14:41] <BluesKaj> eth0 works fine , the lan0 doesn't
[14:41] <wirechief> hmm, well when you use ifconfig  is wlan0 there ?
[14:42] <BluesKaj> iwconfig saysI have no witess extensions on lo , eth0 or pan0
[14:43] <BluesKaj> wireless
[14:43] <BluesKaj> yer lsusb shows the belkin components
[14:43] <BluesKaj> yet
[14:44] <wirechief>   just curious can you pastebinit your /etc/network/interfaces
[14:48] <BluesKaj> wirechief, auto lo , iface lo inet loopback
[14:48] <wirechief> k that sounds normal
[14:49] <wirechief> my infconfig has wlan0 in it.
[14:55] <eagles0513875> Twigathy: you can always file a bug then someone like a dev can pin it against the appropriate package
[14:56] <BluesKaj> wirechief, http://www.pastebin.ca/1426402
[14:56] <Twigathy> eagles0513875: I filed it against 'linux', I think it's a kernel issue :)
[14:57] <eagles0513875> Twigathy: you can alwasy ask in ubuntu-kernel
[14:57] <eagles0513875> try link them the bug and see what they say
[14:58] <wirechief> Twigathy: interesting, you are getting a ip with the eth0, is that your wifi  or the rj45 connection ?
[14:59] <Twigathy> eth0 / gigE :)
[15:02] <wirechief> well that makes no sense to me and the ip looks like it just made a wild guess.  192.168.2 , if it were 192.168.1 then you might have something.
[15:03] <wirechief> it definently sounds like its confused at this point ;)
[15:05] <wirechief> i was able to get knoppix to connect with wifi by forceing the ip with ifconfig but that driver doesnt sound to be sane yet.
[15:05] <Twigathy> oh wait, I think we have our wires crossed here >_>
[15:05] <Twigathy> ignore me :)
[15:06] <eagles0513875> cross over Twigathy
[15:06] <eagles0513875> hehe
[15:06] <eagles0513875> nice to see the network manager widget doing what its supposed to do finally
[15:06] <eagles0513875> works with both wired and static ips
[15:07] <Twigathy> I have to disable network manager otherwise it takes down the network during boot. Not terribly useful for NFS root >_<
[15:07] <Twigathy> It goes 'Oh hey! A network interface. Lets configure it. Hm. Where's /bin gone?' :)
[15:07] <BluesKaj> wirechief, , I plugged in the Belkin USB , and it's prolly confusing the issue cuz now there's 2 choices
[15:09] <eagles0513875> Twigathy: strange i never had that problem
[15:09] <eagles0513875> jaunty i had hell getting it online had to bypass the nm all together
[15:09] <Twigathy> ouch
[15:09] <eagles0513875> had to use the old fashioned resolv.conf and /etc/network/interfaces method
[15:09] <Twigathy> I have 'ip=dhcp' appended to my kernel boot parameters c_c
[15:10] <Twigathy> hacky hacky setup
[15:10] <eagles0513875> Twigathy: you should test out the nm in karmic
[15:10] <eagles0513875> ya
[15:10] <eagles0513875> well nm works both with dhcp and static
[15:10] <eagles0513875> im on dhcp now
[15:10] <Twigathy> I may do -- would need to back up this system first =)
[15:13] <wirechief> BluesKaj are you using both onboard and usb wifi ?  if so you really have it confused, try disabling the onboard with the switch.
[15:14] <eagles0513875> wait
[15:14] <eagles0513875> wire
[15:15] <eagles0513875> there is an issue with nm which is probably driver related
[15:15] <BluesKaj> wirechief, no dhcp eth0 is a regular cat 5 connection . i just plugged the USB Belkin in to see what would happen - if it was even seen
[15:15] <eagles0513875> you have the hardware switch and then the nm or driver switch
[15:15] <wirechief> BluesKaj: ah, ok.
[15:15] <eagles0513875> if you run dmesg the nm or driver turn the card on disabling the hardware switch and vice versa
[15:17] <wirechief> BluesKaj: you might have to modprobe the Belkin after insertion, if its not installed already (just a guess)
[15:19] <BluesKaj> wirechief, I removed all the linux driver asociated files with rm -rf , to start clean since compiling the driver wasn't working. I thought of resorting to the windows driver inside ndiswrapper , but that isn't working either
[15:20] <wirechief> BluesKaj: right, well thats a punt, did you check your windows drivers to make sure they are shown in lower case ? (wont work unless they are)
[15:20] <BluesKaj> yes , rt2870.inf
[15:20] <wirechief> k
[15:21] <wirechief> also the .sys file too
[15:22] <BluesKaj> i haven't installed ndiswrapper and the belkin windows files yet , but I'm quite sure they are lower case iirc
[15:23] <wirechief> BluesKaj: i wrote up a how to for ndiswrapper back in 07 when i first tried using it, when i copied the files from my windows partition the extention came in UPPER CASE
[15:23] <wirechief> it had me baffled for a long time.
[15:24] <BluesKaj> wirechief, I'm going to switch to the laptop so we can try to get this to work . I had the windows driver working on jaunty btw
[15:24]  * wirechief doubts the thread i made is still around ;)
[15:24] <BluesKaj> bbiab
[15:39] <wirechief>   BluesKaj-laptop i found my old thread as olddogface2007 here: http://forum.freespire.org/showthread.php?t=4829&page=2
[15:39] <BluesKaj-laptop> ok wirechief, thx ...looking
[15:40] <wirechief> BluesKaj-laptop: not sure it is releavant (its old) but it was my attempt with ndiswrapper.
[15:41] <eagles0513875> man ndiswrapper was hell
[15:41] <BluesKaj-laptop> i had ndiswrapper working on jaunty, it quit working on Karmic
[15:41] <eagles0513875> for some reason kubuntu devs decided to split it into 3 different packages back when i was using it on edgy
[15:41] <eagles0513875> i had samba working on jaunty then that quit on me
[15:44] <BluesKaj-laptop> ok, installing ndiswrapper
[15:46] <BluesKaj> big upgrade came down aswell
[15:46] <eagles0513875> uhoh
[15:46] <eagles0513875> good thing or bad thing
[15:48] <eagles0513875> is kdenlive gonna be in karmic
[15:48] <BluesKaj> prolly should disconnect the pc so the wifi can run without interferences from eth0
[15:49] <eagles0513875> might help there granted ive run my laptop on both
[15:49] <eagles0513875> i would connect first then disconnect
[15:49] <BluesKaj> haven't installed the driver yet
[15:57] <BluesKaj-laptop> ok, installed river and network manager crashed ,luvly ;(
[15:57] <BluesKaj-laptop> DRIVER
[15:59] <BluesKaj-laptop> it keeps blinking and tryinto connect, but nothing
[15:59] <BluesKaj-laptop> just keeps asking for the pw
[16:00] <eagles0513875> BluesKaj-laptop: this on karmic im guessing
[16:00] <eagles0513875> or jaunty again
[16:00] <wirechief> BluesKaj-laptop: do you have a wpa or wep enabled on it ? might try to not have it enabled and see
[16:00] <BluesKaj-laptop> round&round it goes
[16:00] <BluesKaj-laptop> yup,WPAPSK
[16:01] <wirechief> did it give you a ip ? with ifconfig ?
[16:03] <eagles0513875> !info xorg
[16:03] <eagles0513875> whats changed between the version in jaunty and the one in karmic
[16:07] <wirechief> bbl
[16:07]  * wirechief-bughun is goes to lunch: Gone away for now
[16:09] <BluesKaj-laptop> yeah, i'm getting a strange IP on the pan0
[16:15] <BluesKaj-laptop> just keeps going around in a cycle trying to connect then asking for the pw as if it hadn't been seen before.
[16:28] <eagles0513875> BluesKaj-laptop: try the old fashioned way with /etc/network/interfaces and resolv.conf see if you can connect that way
[16:29] <BluesKaj-laptop> what's that ..it isn't old fashioned for me ...wireless is new to me
[16:32] <BluesKaj-laptop> well eagles0513875, i'm waiting, how does that work?
[16:32] <eagles0513875> BluesKaj-laptop: bypasses the widget all together
[16:33] <eagles0513875> but reboots will be required
[16:33] <BluesKaj-laptop> ok, shoot
[16:34] <BluesKaj-laptop> i have the network interfaces file open
[16:35] <BluesKaj-laptop> now what, eagles0513875 ?
[16:35] <eagles0513875> BluesKaj-laptop: ill paste you what  i had in mine and adjust accordingly but fyi static ips seem to only work havent really tried with dynamic ip
[16:36] <BluesKaj-laptop> a static ip behind a router
[16:37] <eagles0513875> ya
[16:37] <eagles0513875> i have my layout all on router a small range of ips given out by dhcp and one or 2 machines on static ips
[16:37] <eagles0513875> http://paste.ubuntu.com/175006/
[16:37] <eagles0513875> the nameserver part is the ip of the external dns server for some reason i can only have one
[16:38] <BluesKaj-laptop> its always the same so i assume it's static
[16:39] <eagles0513875> you can replace static with dhcp it might work
[16:39] <eagles0513875> you can give it a try
[16:39] <eagles0513875> yesterday i had  to hack to get on jaunty after clean reinstall
[16:40] <BluesKaj-laptop> this resides in the network interfaces file?
[16:40] <eagles0513875> the 2nd part of that yes
[16:40] <eagles0513875> then create the resolv.conf in /etc
[16:40] <eagles0513875> the after you put in the resolv.conf and ip info in network interface restart networking
[16:40] <BluesKaj-laptop> \there's nothing even close to that in the file
[16:40] <eagles0513875> in what file
[16:41] <eagles0513875> just add what i pasted ya the 2nd part and where it says static if you want to try with dhcp replace static with dhcp
[16:41] <eagles0513875> then add the nameserver ip of ur isps name server or open dns or what ever
[16:42] <eagles0513875> BluesKaj: you might need to reboot for some reason restarting networking with the script doesnt work
[16:42] <BluesKaj> i have to paste it from here
[16:42] <BluesKaj> url again?
[16:42] <eagles0513875> http://paste.ubuntu.com/175006/
[16:43] <eagles0513875> fyi if you use dhcp you dont need the rest of the info for that device like ip etc
[16:45] <BluesKaj> would the network IP and the gateway IP be the same?
[16:45] <eagles0513875> look at your static ip you gave it for instance mine is 192.168.2.2 the network ip would be 192.168.2.0 that which means any number up to 255
[16:46] <eagles0513875> its like the range the next part of that would be 192.168.2.255
[16:46] <BluesKaj-laptop> what part?
[16:47] <eagles0513875> network in my case is 192.168.2.0 broadcast is 192.168.255 then last you have gateway
[16:47] <BluesKaj-laptop> obviously the nameserver is different than yours
[16:48] <eagles0513875> ya
[16:48] <eagles0513875> that would be one of your isps name servers
[16:48] <BluesKaj-laptop> how do i find that?
[16:48] <eagles0513875> i accessed my router and used the web interface
[16:48] <BluesKaj-laptop> ok
[16:49] <eagles0513875> once you have your name server ip set reboot using /etc/init.d/networking restart
[16:49] <eagles0513875> if that fails to work reboot is required
[16:52] <BluesKaj-laptop> default gateway ?
[16:57] <BluesKaj-laptop> rebooting
[16:57] <eagles0513875> ok
[16:57] <eagles0513875> default gateway is the internal ip of the router
[17:00] <BluesKaj-laptop> nope, the card blinked afew times , but that's all
[17:01] <BluesKaj-laptop> SIOCADDRT: no such process, when trying to restart
[17:02] <eagles0513875> what does dmesg say
[17:02] <BluesKaj-laptop> a lot
[17:03] <eagles0513875> dmesg | grep network
[17:03] <BluesKaj-laptop> yeah did that too, ..nothing
[17:05] <BluesKaj-laptop> that's the wrong cmnd i think ..no output on this laptop either
[17:07] <eagles0513875> does it say anything near the bottom of dmesg
[17:09] <BluesKaj-laptop> interesting  , one line says: wlan0: no IPV6 routers present
[17:11] <yoasif> anyone having an issue playing divx/mp3 files and getting major crackling?
[17:11] <eagles0513875> BluesKaj-laptop: that is normal is there anything that is showing disabled or enabled
[17:15] <BluesKaj-laptop> weird it says the driver is loaded , but wlan0 not using net device ops yet
[17:18] <eagles0513875> on mine at least i had conflicts between driver and my hardware switch
[17:19] <eagles0513875> i would enable it form the switch on my tablet the something in the driver would disable it
[17:20] <eagles0513875> devs are gonna get a boost with 4.3
[17:21] <BluesKaj-laptop> wonder if the router is even picking up the broadcast from the belkin
[17:21] <BluesKaj-laptop> it keeps asking for the same pw over and over asif , it's not seeing the info
[17:23] <eagles0513875> humm
[17:23]  * eagles0513875 wonders if you missing a module for it
[17:24] <BluesKaj-laptop> think i might try the linux driver one more time
[17:25] <eagles0513875> i think you might be missing a module somewhere
[17:26] <BluesKaj-laptop> wel, i'm not gonna waste any more time on searching for missing modules :)
[17:27] <BluesKaj-laptop> lunchtime here and otherstuff to do
[17:27] <BluesKaj-laptop> bbl
[17:38] <eagles0513875> kde4 version of kopete man its different
[19:50] <DanaG> Random question: if I were using an SSD... would APM and laptop-mode still be useful?  I'm curious if SSDs implement ALPM, or such.
[20:05] <mphill> DanaG: I have no clue, but I assume it would not be useful.
[20:06] <DanaG> It could still save power.  ALPM is the powering down of the SATA link itself.
[21:03] <BUGabundo> guud evening peeps
[21:04] <pace_t_zulu> hi BUGabundo
[21:04] <pace_t_zulu> i've had the following packages held back from upgrade for a few weeks now... 'libthai-data libthai0' is there something i can do to resolve this?
[21:08] <BUGabundo> hey pace_t_zulu
[21:08] <BUGabundo> never saw that on my system
[21:08] <pace_t_zulu> BUGabundo: thanks
[21:09]  * ienorand thinks you should install libthnxbai0
[21:09] <ienorand> Never saw that as well... I think, *look* what apt-get dist-upgrade wants to do?
[21:10]  * pace_t_zulu thinks ienorand doesn't take me seriously
[21:10] <pace_t_zulu> ienorand: that'll solve it
[21:10] <pace_t_zulu> ienorand: i've been relying on 'aptitude safe-upgrade'
[21:11] <lamalex>  pfft, go balls out
[21:11] <lamalex> aptitude full-upgrade
[21:11] <ienorand> pace_t_zulu: Yea, some things seems only to get through using a dist-upgrade, dangerous thing though, since for some time it wanted to kill openoffice...
[21:12] <pace_t_zulu> i've been burned by not going the 'safe-upgrade' route before... but these two packages were being held back for too long now
[21:14] <ienorand> Whenever something has to be installed/removed to allow the upgrade a safe one wont cut it... unfortunately, now and then the "unsafe" one will cut your head off, it seems.
[21:18] <maxb> Open the aptitude interactive UI, see what it makes of the upgrade when you press "U", if sane, good!
[21:18] <BUGabundo> I usually don't use aptitu
[21:18] <BUGabundo> I rather use apt-get and UM
[21:19] <BUGabundo> but with the KDE breakege I don't have any other change
[21:19] <maxb> I used to be the same.
[21:19] <maxb> Then I realized how immensely cool aptitude was for navigating around dependency problems
[21:22] <robin0800> can't connect to wireless network in kubuntu (karmic) ubuntu (Karmic) works fine
[21:23] <BUGabundo> maxb: it is. I didn't know about it!
[21:23] <BUGabundo> beats synaptic
[21:23] <maxb> The other useful thing is every so often I go "Why am I bothering to download that weird package!? Don't upgrade, remove!"
[21:24] <maxb> and over time I end up with a slimmed down system suited to my needs and hardware
[21:26]  * wirechief back.
[21:47] <IngForigua> Hello
[21:47] <BUGabundo> IngForigua: hi
[21:47] <IngForigua> someone have problems with gnome-power-manager
[21:48] <IngForigua> ???
[21:48]  * IngForigua my english is poor :P
[21:49] <BUGabundo> IngForigua: on Karmic 9.10 ?
[21:49] <IngForigua> that's right
[21:49] <rski> what is the problem
[21:51] <IngForigua> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-power-manager/+bug/376058
[21:51] <IngForigua> it's a problem
[21:53] <IngForigua> gnome-power-manager show the remainig time, but it's not change never
[21:56] <IngForigua> !bug 376058
[21:57] <BUGabundo> IngForigua: we just saw it
[21:57] <BUGabundo> calm down , ok? don't flood the channel
[21:58] <IngForigua> sorry, i test the bot :)
[21:58] <BUGabundo> please don't!
[21:58] <BUGabundo> go to #ubuntu-bots or query the bot on PVT
[21:58] <BUGabundo> don't flood the channel, ok ?
[22:00] <GatoLoko> can somebody change bug 377718 importance to wishlist? i can't
[22:06] <IngForigua> Sorry BUGabundo
[22:06] <BUGabundo> GatoLoko: ask on #ubuntu-bugs not here
[22:07] <GatoLoko> BUGabundo sorry, wrong tab on xchat
[22:08] <gnomefreak> GatoLoko: done
[22:08] <BUGabundo> gnomefreak: you spoil them :)))
[22:09] <GatoLoko> gnomefreak thanks
[22:09] <gnomefreak> no you were right about going to #ubuntu-bugs i just dont have enough pateints to search 35 channles for the right one
[22:10] <gnomefreak> import should be merged or sync
[22:10] <gnomefreak> but anyway its done
[22:10] <BUGabundo> IngForigua: the bug looks good, its filed upstream and triaged
[22:10] <BUGabundo> you just have to wait
[22:10] <IngForigua> jejeje oks, i understand
[22:45] <Sevenhill> Hello
[22:45] <thiebaude> hi
[22:45] <BUGabundo> love how ppl describe bugs https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/377926
[22:45] <thiebaude> hi BUGabundo
[22:46] <BUGabundo> hey thiebaude
[22:46] <Sevenhill> there is a bug about wpasupplicant in lastest package
[22:46] <thiebaude> !ubuntuone
[22:47] <BUGabundo> thiebaude: OT
[22:47] <thiebaude> OT?
[22:47] <BUGabundo> thiebaude: #ubuntuone
[22:47] <thiebaude> oh ,ok thanks
[22:47] <Sevenhill> i have to downgrade wpasupplicant to connect to a wpa wireless network
[22:47] <BUGabundo>  !ot
[22:47] <BUGabundo> Sevenhill: do you have a bug for it?
[22:47] <Sevenhill> not opened yet
[22:48] <Sevenhill> but i'm sure that there is a problem about it
[22:48] <Sevenhill> because after i downgrade and restart system it starts to connect my wpa network
[22:48] <BUGabundo> Sevenhill: please talk to asac on #ubuntu-mozillateam ok ?
[22:49] <BUGabundo> thiebaude: you left before I could talk to you
[22:49] <thiebaude> i'll go back in
[22:49] <BUGabundo> heeh
[22:53] <BUGabundo> thiebaude: left again... I was going to offer you an invite
[22:54] <thiebaude> im in there now
[23:56] <Arand> By the way, I'm doing a nickchange, from here on ienorand will be arand.
[23:57] <BUGabundo> oiii ?
[23:57] <BUGabundo> and why is that ienorand?
[23:58] <ienorand> BUGabundo: simpler name, basically, and I have actually used arand longer, although not on irc
[23:59] <BUGabundo> arand: actually for autocomple its longer :(