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Hobbseeasac: yay!02:14
* ajmitch wonders what is being yayed02:22
Amaranthkarmic working02:23
ajmitchoh02:23
* ajmitch has only grabbed a few packages from karmic so far02:23
Amaranthonly thing not working so well for me is intel KMS02:23
ajmitchnot brave enough to do a full upgrade just yet02:23
Amaranthno backlight control02:23
ajmitchI love it when I have a merge prepared for testing, and then there's another debian release in that time02:24
dobeyugh. the uds schedule is in an iframe so scrolling is very painful02:34
FLjohngood evening/night06:34
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didrocksmorning o/08:16
seb128lut didrocks08:30
didrockshey seb128, enjoying spain already? ;)08:31
seb128no, travelling tomorrow morning, you? ;-)08:31
didrocksenjoying some rest after the ubuntu party ^^08:31
didrocks(some rest... at work ;))08:31
seb128didrocks: how was the ubuntu party this weekend?08:33
asacmvo: ping ;)08:35
seb128hey asac08:35
didrocksseb128: awesome! I'll blog later on the planet about it. Very very crowded and a lot of people telling us that the atmosphere was really good !08:35
asachi seb12808:35
seb128didrocks: excellent ;-)08:35
seb128didrocks: did you beat the previous record? ;-)08:35
didrocksseb128: can't say a word about it. Just "we did it again" :-)08:35
seb128asac: is mvo back from slac^W holidays? ;-)08:36
asaci would hope so ;)08:36
seb128didrocks: btw how did you count people previous time?08:36
didrocksseb128: it's the CSI (Cité des Sciences et de l'Industrie) which counts them for us. They use an automatic counter at the enter and correct the number in counting manually every hours, room by room the number of people08:37
seb128ah ok08:37
didrocksso, we can't cheat, it's how they count people \o/08:37
mvoasac: hey08:44
mvoseb128: yes08:44
seb128hey mvo!08:45
asacgood morning mvo08:45
seb128we need an holidays calendar which works in GNOME08:45
seb128it took me some days to realize that you were on holidays ;-)08:46
mvoseb128: heh :)08:52
al-maisanmoin mvo!08:58
mvohey al-maisan!09:00
seb128re09:27
crevetteheya, good noon10:58
crevetteeverybody is still sleeping :)11:00
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crevettehey andreasn12:52
andreasnhello crevette12:52
crevetteare you?12:52
andreasnpretty good, mondays are always weird.12:53
andreasnand you?12:53
crevettefine, I'm in holiday for 9 days starting today, going 4 days in brussels for a break with my wife and my son12:54
seb128how do you go there?12:55
seb128train?12:56
crevettehey seb128 !!!12:56
seb128lut crevette12:56
crevettewe're going to take plane12:56
seb128cool12:57
Mark__Ttedg: ping12:58
crevetteseb128: it's going to be kind of hard to traval with an 8 motnhs old boy :)12:58
crevettehe needs lot more stuff to carry than its parents12:58
crevetteandreasn: I'm trying to fix http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=49936112:59
ubottuGnome bug 499361 in Sidebar "No borders on the sidebar (and file window)" [Trivial,Unconfirmed]12:59
seb128crevette: good luck ;-)12:59
seb128or rather good luck to your son, it's probably scary to be in a plane for a small child13:00
crevetteseb128: are you at home this or still moving to any place in the world?13:00
crevetteI guess he won't notice13:00
crevetteI'll be more stressed than him as I fear a little airplane :)13:00
andreasncrevette, cool!13:01
seb128crevette: I'm at home right now but travelling to Spain tomorrow13:01
crevetteandreasn: coding is a pain in the ass for me :)13:03
andreasn:)13:04
dobeyandreasn: are you coming to UDS?!13:47
andreasndobey, I'm leaning towards not coming, I'm afraid13:47
dobeyandreasn: let me push your leaning back in the other direction :)13:48
andreasnare you coming to guadec?13:51
andreasnbecause I already ordered flight tickets for that, so can't back out of that one at least13:52
crevetteseb128: I tried make the ondemand bluetooth service working this weekend, as this is rather a big change, how so I do to submit my change, should I ask to review on ubuntu-dev mailing list ?13:54
seb128no, use a bug for review13:55
crevetteokay13:55
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tedgMark__T: Good morning.15:07
Mark__Ttedg: I'm trying to produce a xfce panel plugin for indicator, can't promise anything though, It's the first time i try to write a plugin15:18
tedgMark__T: Cool, are you the guy who was talking to kenvandine about it?  (just want to make sure people are working together if possible)15:18
Mark__TIf he didn't talk to somebody else about it, I'm that guy15:19
tedgMark__T: Cool, pleasure to meet you. :)15:21
Mark__Ttedg: bzr branch lp:indicator-applet <-- that's the branch to use?15:22
tedgMark__T: Yeah, we shuffled around the module loading stuff a little so that it's all defined with pkgconfig stuff instead of "magic strings."15:22
tedgI hear those packagers can screw with your magic strings ;)15:23
tedgIf you notice anything funky, don't be afraid to ask, I'm sure there are bugs :)15:23
Mark__TI hope to find out quickly how xfce plugins work, it might be possible to just borrow some code from the gnome applet15:24
Mark__Tand then get rid of the plugin wrapper in my pane15:25
Mark__Tpanel15:25
tedgMark__T: Yeah, really most of the GNOME Applet is wrapper.  It's basically designed that way, so that it can be moved to other desktops more easily.15:31
Mark__Twhat do you use to display the entries?15:32
Mark__Tis it just a gtkmenu or something?15:32
tedgMark__T: Yes, but basically the messaging indicator gives you three widgets.  A label, and icon, and a menu.  Then you can throw those in the panel.15:36
Mark__Ttedg: thanks :)15:40
* asac out to run some errands15:41
kenvandinetedg: glad to see Mark__T dropped by :)15:47
* kenvandine is heading out to the airport :)15:47
artirkenvandine: already going to barcelona?15:48
tedgkenvandine: Yup.  I'm not far behind you :)15:48
kenvandineyup15:48
tedgkenvandine: Actually get to meet in person :)15:48
kenvandinewoot15:48
kenvandinetedg i think we spoke briefly about inkscape at scale a couple years ago15:48
* tedg needs his computer to back up faster... all this IRC traffic must be slowing the network down ;)15:49
tedgkenvandine: Ah, probably.  Were you at the Foresight booth then?15:49
dobeyyou're heading out early15:50
kenvandineyes15:50
kenvandinedobey: gonna make a few stops15:50
kenvandinemy flight is at 115:50
kenvandine1:11 i think15:50
artirkenvandine: is the new theme (yeah, the one that canonical has been promising since edgy or so) ready to be shown at UDS?15:50
dobeyah15:50
kenvandineartir: i hope so15:50
kenvandinedobey: i have a long layover :)15:51
artirkenvandine: have you seen it?15:51
kenvandinenope15:51
dobeyyeah15:51
artirkenvandime: kenneth wiemer will, then15:51
slomoseb128: what's the state of the totem 2.27 package? i plan to put it into debian/experimental too19:04
slomoseb128: also, do you have a libgdata package in ubuntu already?19:05
hyperairslomo: if you're talking about gdata-sharp, it's in already.19:08
slomohyperair: does it provide "gdata.pc"? i probably mean the C library libgdata :)19:10
hyperairslomo: that's around also, i think.19:11
hyperairlibgdata-google1.2-1 - Client library for accessing Google POA through SOAP interface19:11
hyperairlibgdata-google1.2-dev - Client library for accessing Google POA (development files)19:11
hyperairlibgdata1.2-1 - Client library for accessing Google POA through SOAP interface19:11
hyperairlibgdata1.2-dev - Client library for accessing Google POA (development files)19:11
hyperairlibgdata1.4-cil - Google GData CLI client library19:11
hyperairprobably libgdata1.2-dev?19:11
slomono, that's from evolution and a different library19:11
hyperairhmm19:12
hyperairwhoops19:12
slomo:)19:12
slomoconfusing, isn't it?19:12
hyperairvery.19:12
hyperairi mean when i was packaging gdata-sharp, i thought it was the cli version of libgdata from evolution19:13
slomoafaik gdata-sharp is something completely different again, a plain C# library for accesing google services19:13
seb128slomo: we don't have libgdata yet that I know about20:08
seb128slomo: totem is waiting for review in bzr but I'm travelling tomorrow for allhand (canonical week) and uds and I've been busy so I didn't review it yet20:09
seb128slomo: the packaging has quite some changes, switch to simple cdbs etc, I will try to review it this week20:09
seb128slomo: you want to start on GNOME 2.27 now for debian or only this one?20:10
slomoseb128: only this one... well, i've started totem 2.27 now and i'm almost finished, sorry... i've also switched to simple cdbs though ;)20:12
seb128ok, would be nice if you could use the ubuntu work when there is some, it's always nicer to not duplicate work20:12
seb128slomo: try moving 2.26 to unstable first if you can though20:12
seb128there is still 2.24 there20:12
seb128I think you will annoy some people if you start on 2.27 and skip 2.2620:13
seb128especially Josselin who tries to get 2.26 ready in unstable20:13
slomoi'll upload totem 2.26 to unstable as soon as the gnome transition is done... it's already finished20:13
seb128ok good20:13
slomoand i want totem 2.27 to get some more testing of the new gstreamer features so it's all ready when 2.28 is done20:13
seb128I'm always a bit uneasy starting on unstable version when stable is not ready yet, it split efforts and create extra load but if you want to maintain it ...20:14
seb128I don't think that debian experimental will bring lot of user compared to user distro but that's fair enough ;-)20:15
slomowell, at least i'll use it then :) and there seem to be more people than one would expect that use the experimental gstreamer packages... so maybe that's true for totem too :)20:16
seb128right, I'm sure there is some people using those20:16
seb128I just notice that the number of bugs coming from debian experimental is quite slow20:16
seb128slomo: btw do you know if anybody is working on libmms?20:19
slomonope20:20
seb128ok, there is a bug in launchpad which has quite some duplicate, crashing rhythmbox and totem on some urls20:21
seb128I was wondering if somebody was still working on libmms20:21
slomoseb128: some fedora guy might be working on it (Hans de Goede), at least he sometimes files bugs with patches for the libmms gstreamer element20:24
seb128slomo: ok thanks20:25
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mpontilloseb128: I think that bug you just converted to a question (#378003) is a real bug. I just did a test download with Epiphany, and couldn't find where it dropped the file. Looking in Preferences > General, the default download directory seems to be "/"! And when I set it to something sane, after I restarted Epiphany it was back to "/". Side question: why is this browser even supported? Would efforts be better spent focusing 20:55
seb128mpontillo: could be a real bug but it's not described correctly20:56
mpontilloI agree, and I think there may even be similar bugs already out there...20:57
seb128so?20:57
mpontilloseb128: in other words, it could have been considered a duplicate as well.20:58
seb128it could20:58
mpontilloseb128: it just put me in an odd position, since I was going to answer it as a question and found that it was a real bug ;) oh well, in any case, I'll see if I can triage it later this evening20:59
seb128downloads go on the desktop by default21:00
seb128not sure what setting has been configured there but you can switch it back to a bug and duplicate if required21:00
mpontillofor you? in Epiphany? I just tested on both Jaunty and Karmic and they don't go anywhere - since the user can't write to "/", downloads go nowhere21:01
mpontillo(you can set it to something else, but the setting wasn't saved for me across two sessions)21:01
mpontilloanyway - need to head to the store but I'll take a closer look later.21:02
seb128what setting do you use?21:02
seb128do you auto-open the files or just download? do you use the save or download option?21:03
mpontilloI'm just using the default, which looks like auto-open. (which leads to another possibility: maybe auto-open doesn't work on all file types) ... I just tried it with a .doc file and it worked, downloaded it to /tmp and executed OpenOffice. if the auto-pick can't handle it, it gives the options "save as..." and "download" - "download" tries to drop it into "/", but "Save As..." works. (and defaults to ~)21:09
seb128mpontillo: epiphany using tmp rather than the specific directory is a known bug21:17
chrisccoulsonseb128 - you looking forward to UDS?21:45
seb128chrisccoulson: I'm not looking forward traveling but I'm looking forward UDS there ;-)21:48
chrisccoulsoncool. it's not too far for you to travel is it?21:49
seb128if I would not complain if I could skip the flying part of the travel ;-)21:49
chrisccoulsonyeah, i hate flying too ;)21:49
seb128no, it's not, 2 hours flying21:49
seb128but still need to go the aiport, being on time, check in, pass security, etc etc etc21:49
seb128did you apply for MOTU btw? ;-)21:50
chrisccoulsonyeah, that's a bit of a pain, especially when it's early in the morning21:50
chrisccoulsoni'm working on my application21:50
chrisccoulsoni was hoping to carry on with it tonight but tracker has got in the way;)21:50
seb128you have time don't worry21:50
chrisccoulsoni should have it done this week21:51
seb128you will probably be invited to next uds if you keep being around as you do for some months now21:51
chrisccoulsoncool. when is the next one?21:52
seb128did you try applying on the sponsoring list for this one?21:52
seb128there is one list where you can apply and one list of invited people too21:52
seb128+6 month basically? ;-)21:52
seb128usually around mid-novembre21:52
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chrisccoulsoni should hopefully still be around by then ;)21:53

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