[02:14] <Hobbsee> asac: yay!
[02:22]  * ajmitch wonders what is being yayed
[02:23] <Amaranth> karmic working
[02:23] <ajmitch> oh
[02:23]  * ajmitch has only grabbed a few packages from karmic so far
[02:23] <Amaranth> only thing not working so well for me is intel KMS
[02:23] <ajmitch> not brave enough to do a full upgrade just yet
[02:23] <Amaranth> no backlight control
[02:24] <ajmitch> I love it when I have a merge prepared for testing, and then there's another debian release in that time
[02:34] <dobey> ugh. the uds schedule is in an iframe so scrolling is very painful
[06:34] <FLjohn> good evening/night
[08:16] <didrocks> morning o/
[08:30] <seb128> lut didrocks
[08:31] <didrocks> hey seb128, enjoying spain already? ;)
[08:31] <seb128> no, travelling tomorrow morning, you? ;-)
[08:31] <didrocks> enjoying some rest after the ubuntu party ^^
[08:31] <didrocks> (some rest... at work ;))
[08:33] <seb128> didrocks: how was the ubuntu party this weekend?
[08:35] <asac> mvo: ping ;)
[08:35] <seb128> hey asac
[08:35] <didrocks> seb128: awesome! I'll blog later on the planet about it. Very very crowded and a lot of people telling us that the atmosphere was really good !
[08:35] <asac> hi seb128
[08:35] <seb128> didrocks: excellent ;-)
[08:35] <seb128> didrocks: did you beat the previous record? ;-)
[08:35] <didrocks> seb128: can't say a word about it. Just "we did it again" :-)
[08:36] <seb128> asac: is mvo back from slac^W holidays? ;-)
[08:36] <asac> i would hope so ;)
[08:36] <seb128> didrocks: btw how did you count people previous time?
[08:37] <didrocks> seb128: it's the CSI (Cité des Sciences et de l'Industrie) which counts them for us. They use an automatic counter at the enter and correct the number in counting manually every hours, room by room the number of people
[08:37] <seb128> ah ok
[08:37] <didrocks> so, we can't cheat, it's how they count people \o/
[08:44] <mvo> asac: hey
[08:44] <mvo> seb128: yes
[08:45] <seb128> hey mvo!
[08:45] <asac> good morning mvo
[08:45] <seb128> we need an holidays calendar which works in GNOME
[08:46] <seb128> it took me some days to realize that you were on holidays ;-)
[08:52] <mvo> seb128: heh :)
[08:58] <al-maisan> moin mvo!
[09:00] <mvo> hey al-maisan!
[09:27] <seb128> re
[10:58] <crevette> heya, good noon
[11:00] <crevette> everybody is still sleeping :)
[12:52] <crevette> hey andreasn
[12:52] <andreasn> hello crevette
[12:52] <crevette> are you?
[12:53] <andreasn> pretty good, mondays are always weird.
[12:53] <andreasn> and you?
[12:54] <crevette> fine, I'm in holiday for 9 days starting today, going 4 days in brussels for a break with my wife and my son
[12:55] <seb128> how do you go there?
[12:56] <seb128> train?
[12:56] <crevette> hey seb128 !!!
[12:56] <seb128> lut crevette
[12:56] <crevette> we're going to take plane
[12:57] <seb128> cool
[12:58] <Mark__T> tedg: ping
[12:58] <crevette> seb128: it's going to be kind of hard to traval with an 8 motnhs old boy :)
[12:58] <crevette> he needs lot more stuff to carry than its parents
[12:59] <crevette> andreasn: I'm trying to fix http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=499361
[12:59] <seb128> crevette: good luck ;-)
[13:00] <seb128> or rather good luck to your son, it's probably scary to be in a plane for a small child
[13:00] <crevette> seb128: are you at home this or still moving to any place in the world?
[13:00] <crevette> I guess he won't notice
[13:00] <crevette> I'll be more stressed than him as I fear a little airplane :)
[13:01] <andreasn> crevette, cool!
[13:01] <seb128> crevette: I'm at home right now but travelling to Spain tomorrow
[13:03] <crevette> andreasn: coding is a pain in the ass for me :)
[13:04] <andreasn> :)
[13:47] <dobey> andreasn: are you coming to UDS?!
[13:47] <andreasn> dobey, I'm leaning towards not coming, I'm afraid
[13:48] <dobey> andreasn: let me push your leaning back in the other direction :)
[13:51] <andreasn> are you coming to guadec?
[13:52] <andreasn> because I already ordered flight tickets for that, so can't back out of that one at least
[13:54] <crevette> seb128: I tried make the ondemand bluetooth service working this weekend, as this is rather a big change, how so I do to submit my change, should I ask to review on ubuntu-dev mailing list ?
[13:55] <seb128> no, use a bug for review
[13:55] <crevette> okay
[15:07] <tedg> Mark__T: Good morning.
[15:18] <Mark__T> tedg: I'm trying to produce a xfce panel plugin for indicator, can't promise anything though, It's the first time i try to write a plugin
[15:18] <tedg> Mark__T: Cool, are you the guy who was talking to kenvandine about it?  (just want to make sure people are working together if possible)
[15:19] <Mark__T> If he didn't talk to somebody else about it, I'm that guy
[15:21] <tedg> Mark__T: Cool, pleasure to meet you. :)
[15:22] <Mark__T> tedg: bzr branch lp:indicator-applet <-- that's the branch to use?
[15:22] <tedg> Mark__T: Yeah, we shuffled around the module loading stuff a little so that it's all defined with pkgconfig stuff instead of "magic strings."
[15:23] <tedg> I hear those packagers can screw with your magic strings ;)
[15:23] <tedg> If you notice anything funky, don't be afraid to ask, I'm sure there are bugs :)
[15:24] <Mark__T> I hope to find out quickly how xfce plugins work, it might be possible to just borrow some code from the gnome applet
[15:25] <Mark__T> and then get rid of the plugin wrapper in my pane
[15:25] <Mark__T> panel
[15:31] <tedg> Mark__T: Yeah, really most of the GNOME Applet is wrapper.  It's basically designed that way, so that it can be moved to other desktops more easily.
[15:32] <Mark__T> what do you use to display the entries?
[15:32] <Mark__T> is it just a gtkmenu or something?
[15:36] <tedg> Mark__T: Yes, but basically the messaging indicator gives you three widgets.  A label, and icon, and a menu.  Then you can throw those in the panel.
[15:40] <Mark__T> tedg: thanks :)
[15:41]  * asac out to run some errands
[15:47] <kenvandine> tedg: glad to see Mark__T dropped by :)
[15:47]  * kenvandine is heading out to the airport :)
[15:48] <artir> kenvandine: already going to barcelona?
[15:48] <tedg> kenvandine: Yup.  I'm not far behind you :)
[15:48] <kenvandine> yup
[15:48] <tedg> kenvandine: Actually get to meet in person :)
[15:48] <kenvandine> woot
[15:48] <kenvandine> tedg i think we spoke briefly about inkscape at scale a couple years ago
[15:49]  * tedg needs his computer to back up faster...  all this IRC traffic must be slowing the network down ;)
[15:49] <tedg> kenvandine: Ah, probably.  Were you at the Foresight booth then?
[15:50] <dobey> you're heading out early
[15:50] <kenvandine> yes
[15:50] <kenvandine> dobey: gonna make a few stops
[15:50] <kenvandine> my flight is at 1
[15:50] <kenvandine> 1:11 i think
[15:50] <artir> kenvandine: is the new theme (yeah, the one that canonical has been promising since edgy or so) ready to be shown at UDS?
[15:50] <dobey> ah
[15:50] <kenvandine> artir: i hope so
[15:51] <kenvandine> dobey: i have a long layover :)
[15:51] <artir> kenvandine: have you seen it?
[15:51] <kenvandine> nope
[15:51] <dobey> yeah
[15:51] <artir> kenvandime: kenneth wiemer will, then
[19:04] <slomo> seb128: what's the state of the totem 2.27 package? i plan to put it into debian/experimental too
[19:05] <slomo> seb128: also, do you have a libgdata package in ubuntu already?
[19:08] <hyperair> slomo: if you're talking about gdata-sharp, it's in already.
[19:10] <slomo> hyperair: does it provide "gdata.pc"? i probably mean the C library libgdata :)
[19:11] <hyperair> slomo: that's around also, i think.
[19:11] <hyperair> libgdata-google1.2-1 - Client library for accessing Google POA through SOAP interface
[19:11] <hyperair> libgdata-google1.2-dev - Client library for accessing Google POA (development files)
[19:11] <hyperair> libgdata1.2-1 - Client library for accessing Google POA through SOAP interface
[19:11] <hyperair> libgdata1.2-dev - Client library for accessing Google POA (development files)
[19:11] <hyperair> libgdata1.4-cil - Google GData CLI client library
[19:11] <hyperair> probably libgdata1.2-dev?
[19:11] <slomo> no, that's from evolution and a different library
[19:12] <hyperair> hmm
[19:12] <hyperair> whoops
[19:12] <slomo> :)
[19:12] <slomo> confusing, isn't it?
[19:12] <hyperair> very.
[19:13] <hyperair> i mean when i was packaging gdata-sharp, i thought it was the cli version of libgdata from evolution
[19:13] <slomo> afaik gdata-sharp is something completely different again, a plain C# library for accesing google services
[20:08] <seb128> slomo: we don't have libgdata yet that I know about
[20:09] <seb128> slomo: totem is waiting for review in bzr but I'm travelling tomorrow for allhand (canonical week) and uds and I've been busy so I didn't review it yet
[20:09] <seb128> slomo: the packaging has quite some changes, switch to simple cdbs etc, I will try to review it this week
[20:10] <seb128> slomo: you want to start on GNOME 2.27 now for debian or only this one?
[20:12] <slomo> seb128: only this one... well, i've started totem 2.27 now and i'm almost finished, sorry... i've also switched to simple cdbs though ;)
[20:12] <seb128> ok, would be nice if you could use the ubuntu work when there is some, it's always nicer to not duplicate work
[20:12] <seb128> slomo: try moving 2.26 to unstable first if you can though
[20:12] <seb128> there is still 2.24 there
[20:13] <seb128> I think you will annoy some people if you start on 2.27 and skip 2.26
[20:13] <seb128> especially Josselin who tries to get 2.26 ready in unstable
[20:13] <slomo> i'll upload totem 2.26 to unstable as soon as the gnome transition is done... it's already finished
[20:13] <seb128> ok good
[20:13] <slomo> and i want totem 2.27 to get some more testing of the new gstreamer features so it's all ready when 2.28 is done
[20:14] <seb128> I'm always a bit uneasy starting on unstable version when stable is not ready yet, it split efforts and create extra load but if you want to maintain it ...
[20:15] <seb128> I don't think that debian experimental will bring lot of user compared to user distro but that's fair enough ;-)
[20:16] <slomo> well, at least i'll use it then :) and there seem to be more people than one would expect that use the experimental gstreamer packages... so maybe that's true for totem too :)
[20:16] <seb128> right, I'm sure there is some people using those
[20:16] <seb128> I just notice that the number of bugs coming from debian experimental is quite slow
[20:19] <seb128> slomo: btw do you know if anybody is working on libmms?
[20:20] <slomo> nope
[20:21] <seb128> ok, there is a bug in launchpad which has quite some duplicate, crashing rhythmbox and totem on some urls
[20:21] <seb128> I was wondering if somebody was still working on libmms
[20:24] <slomo> seb128: some fedora guy might be working on it (Hans de Goede), at least he sometimes files bugs with patches for the libmms gstreamer element
[20:25] <seb128> slomo: ok thanks
[20:55] <mpontillo> seb128: I think that bug you just converted to a question (#378003) is a real bug. I just did a test download with Epiphany, and couldn't find where it dropped the file. Looking in Preferences > General, the default download directory seems to be "/"! And when I set it to something sane, after I restarted Epiphany it was back to "/". Side question: why is this browser even supported? Would efforts be better spent focusing 
[20:56] <seb128> mpontillo: could be a real bug but it's not described correctly
[20:57] <mpontillo> I agree, and I think there may even be similar bugs already out there...
[20:57] <seb128> so?
[20:58] <mpontillo> seb128: in other words, it could have been considered a duplicate as well.
[20:58] <seb128> it could
[20:59] <mpontillo> seb128: it just put me in an odd position, since I was going to answer it as a question and found that it was a real bug ;) oh well, in any case, I'll see if I can triage it later this evening
[21:00] <seb128> downloads go on the desktop by default
[21:00] <seb128> not sure what setting has been configured there but you can switch it back to a bug and duplicate if required
[21:01] <mpontillo> for you? in Epiphany? I just tested on both Jaunty and Karmic and they don't go anywhere - since the user can't write to "/", downloads go nowhere
[21:01] <mpontillo> (you can set it to something else, but the setting wasn't saved for me across two sessions)
[21:02] <mpontillo> anyway - need to head to the store but I'll take a closer look later.
[21:02] <seb128> what setting do you use?
[21:03] <seb128> do you auto-open the files or just download? do you use the save or download option?
[21:09] <mpontillo> I'm just using the default, which looks like auto-open. (which leads to another possibility: maybe auto-open doesn't work on all file types) ... I just tried it with a .doc file and it worked, downloaded it to /tmp and executed OpenOffice. if the auto-pick can't handle it, it gives the options "save as..." and "download" - "download" tries to drop it into "/", but "Save As..." works. (and defaults to ~)
[21:17] <seb128> mpontillo: epiphany using tmp rather than the specific directory is a known bug
[21:45] <chrisccoulson> seb128 - you looking forward to UDS?
[21:48] <seb128> chrisccoulson: I'm not looking forward traveling but I'm looking forward UDS there ;-)
[21:49] <chrisccoulson> cool. it's not too far for you to travel is it?
[21:49] <seb128> if I would not complain if I could skip the flying part of the travel ;-)
[21:49] <chrisccoulson> yeah, i hate flying too ;)
[21:49] <seb128> no, it's not, 2 hours flying
[21:49] <seb128> but still need to go the aiport, being on time, check in, pass security, etc etc etc
[21:50] <seb128> did you apply for MOTU btw? ;-)
[21:50] <chrisccoulson> yeah, that's a bit of a pain, especially when it's early in the morning
[21:50] <chrisccoulson> i'm working on my application
[21:50] <chrisccoulson> i was hoping to carry on with it tonight but tracker has got in the way;)
[21:50] <seb128> you have time don't worry
[21:51] <chrisccoulson> i should have it done this week
[21:51] <seb128> you will probably be invited to next uds if you keep being around as you do for some months now
[21:52] <chrisccoulson> cool. when is the next one?
[21:52] <seb128> did you try applying on the sponsoring list for this one?
[21:52] <seb128> there is one list where you can apply and one list of invited people too
[21:52] <seb128> +6 month basically? ;-)
[21:52] <seb128> usually around mid-novembre
[21:53] <chrisccoulson> i should hopefully still be around by then ;)