[15:06] <jjesse> to fix a bug automatically what is the syntax in the bzr commit
[15:06] <jjesse> is it fixes bug # or what ?
[15:48] <jpds> bzr commit --fixes lp:NNNNN
[18:08] <Shane_Fagan> mdke: any low hanging fruit not being worked on?
[19:13] <mdke> jjesse: as with what jpds said except it's --fixes=lp:NNNN
[19:14] <mdke> Shane_Fagan: I'm not sure, to be honest. The best I can suggest is to scour the bug reports :)
[19:15] <Shane_Fagan> mdke: Ah I looked but didnt find any that arent being looked at. So I just thought id ask
[19:16] <mdke> Shane_Fagan: there might be some more substantial things to get your teeth into; I know that we need better bluetooth documentation, if you happen to be a bluetooth guru :) alternatively perhaps you could help out with Kelvin's newtoubuntu plans
[19:18]  * bencrisford__ would like some low hanging fruit too mdke :)
[19:18] <Shane_Fagan> mdke: the newtoubuntu stuff sounds right up my alley
[19:19] <Shane_Fagan> KelvinGardiner: Is there anything I can help you with the newtoubuntu docs?
[19:19] <mdke> awesome
[19:19] <mdke> Shane_Fagan: if he isn't around on irc, maybe send an email
[19:19] <Shane_Fagan> Ah whats the address?
[19:20] <KelvinGardiner> I'm here
[19:20] <Shane_Fagan> Oh good
[19:20] <bencrisford__> the mailing list is at ubuntu-doc@lists.ubuntu.com
[19:20] <bencrisford__> but i see you dont need it now :)
[19:20] <KelvinGardiner> Shane_Fagan: I've put a draft spec at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KelvinGardiner/NewToUbuntuDocs (I was just getting the address)
[19:21] <bencrisford__> KelvinGardiner: I'll help out too if you like
[19:22] <KelvinGardiner> Have a look a let me know what you would like to do.
[19:22] <Shane_Fagan> KelvinGardiner: Thanks ill have a look
[19:22] <KelvinGardiner> bencrisford__: cool
[19:22] <bencrisford__> so its a section of the system docs for karmic
[19:22] <bencrisford__> ?
[19:23] <Shane_Fagan> bencrisford__:  Yes
[19:23] <KelvinGardiner> bencrisford__: Yes. Its all the docs for new users. Some other section of the system docs may need expanding as well.
[19:23] <bencrisford__> ah, cool
[19:25] <bencrisford__> KelvinGardiner: How does a section about emulation software sound to you?
[19:25] <bencrisford__> because I could do that
[19:25] <KelvinGardiner> One thing I'd like to sort out is the structure of the moving from windows / os x to Ubuntu pages. I think a FAQ will be best.
[19:25] <KelvinGardiner> bencrisford__: wine?
[19:25] <Shane_Fagan> KelvinGardiner: I could do 6.1 Commons Applications+
[19:26] <bencrisford__> KelvinGardiner: For using windows applications in ubuntu
[19:26] <Shane_Fagan> bencrisford__: Thats wine
[19:26] <bencrisford__> i know
[19:26] <bencrisford__> thats what im explaining :)
[19:26] <bencrisford__> lol, im confused :P
[19:26] <KelvinGardiner> Shane_Fagan: ok. Can you add yourself on the wiki page.
[19:27] <Shane_Fagan> KelvinGardiner: Sure will do
[19:27] <bencrisford__> KelvinGardiner: Want me to have a look at the moving from windows sections?
[19:27] <KelvinGardiner> bencrisford__: A short page on wine would be good.
[19:27] <bencrisford__> i could put about wine in there
[19:27] <bencrisford__> as a sub-section
[19:28] <KelvinGardiner> bencrisford__: I'd like to get a list of issues for the moving from windows pages (looking a the forum etc) before starting it. Put if you have any ideas add them to the wiki.
[19:28] <bencrisford__> ok
[19:28] <mdke> I think wine is likely to be for more advanced users
[19:29] <KelvinGardiner> bencrisford__: I've had a quick chat with the beginners team about the winodws page and want to talk to them again.
[19:29] <mdke> it's not so much for people who are new to Ubuntu
[19:29] <bencrisford__> ok
[19:29] <bencrisford__> well if there is any section you want me to help with, im always on here
[19:31] <KelvinGardiner> bencrisford__: ok, keep an eye on the mailing list. I'll be sending updates to it.
[19:31] <bencrisford__> olk
[19:31] <bencrisford__> ok*
[19:34] <Shane_Fagan> KelvinGardiner: I may need some help with the mac OS equivalents of the programs
[19:36] <KelvinGardiner> Shane_Fagan: ok, I have a macbook, but I've not used os x for some time. I can boot it and check the names of the apps.
[19:37] <Shane_Fagan> KelvinGardiner: Cool
[19:46] <Shane_Fagan> KelvinGardiner: Ill make a table with columns for ubuntu windows and mac. Ill list the programs and their equivalents on each platform. I have one question though. Should I include Banshee in the list or should I just mention the default programs?
[19:48] <KelvinGardiner> Shane_Fagan: I think it best just include default apps. But, I think there is session on including Banshee as the default music player at the Karmic UDS.
[19:49] <Shane_Fagan> Id be a +1 for that but I cant go :(
[19:49] <Shane_Fagan> Ok its in progress I might have some of it done by tomorrow
[19:51] <KelvinGardiner> Shane_Fagan:  Are you writing it in docbook? If so I've set up a bzr branch on lp you can push to.
[19:52] <Shane_Fagan> KelvinGardiner: Yep, ill research it first and then write it up in docbook. Whats the lp branch ?
[19:53] <KelvinGardiner> Shane_Fagan: https://code.launchpad.net/~kelvingardiner/+junk/newtoubuntu
[19:54] <KelvinGardiner> Shane_Fagan: I've not hosted a branch on lp before. I think I have to approve the push. If it doesn't work let me know.
[19:54] <Shane_Fagan> KelvinGardiner: Ok ill get back to you when I have something
[19:55] <KelvinGardiner> ok, thanks for helping out.
[19:57] <mdke> KelvinGardiner: if the branch is owned by you, which it is in that case, then only you can push to it
[19:58] <KelvinGardiner> mdke: Can I not subscribe someone else to it?
[19:59] <Shane_Fagan> KelvinGardiner: Even if you subscribe to it you cant upload to it unless you own it
[19:59] <mdke> KelvinGardiner: in launchpad subscribe just means that they get emails with the changes that are made, not a right to push to it
[19:59] <mdke> KelvinGardiner: you could change the ownership of it to ~ubuntu-doc, but see my email of today about that
[20:01] <KelvinGardiner> mdke: What about if I get patches and apply them to my branch. Is this a better solution?
[20:02] <Shane_Fagan> That would work
[20:02] <mdke> KelvinGardiner: that would probably work better because then you can review the patches, and you will be a kind of gatekeeper for contributions to the work
[20:02] <mdke> then, all we need to do is to review the quality of the end product
[20:03] <KelvinGardiner> mdke: ok, sounds sensible, thanks.