[00:00] In ubottu, rww said: !no, mikem-#ubuntu-offtopic is o4o [00:00] +1 [00:01] haha [00:01] We should just append mikem to the list of taboo topics! :) [00:11] i will change my mind for being use ubuntu caz bad helper [00:12] kthxbye [00:12] bad helper on ubuntu room [00:12] they give me ban :O [00:12] Matr|x: You were forwarded here because you had trouble paying attentions to the instructions in #ubuntu [00:12] wow if i did so bad things:D if im tourism :D [00:13] I'm hoping you're willing to listen here, and learn to be a better participant in #ubuntu, so we can let you back in. [00:13] i dont know english [00:13] little english i do [00:13] i cant read [00:13] i can undrstand little [00:14] !arabic [00:14] For Arabic language support, please : /join #ubuntu-arabic : للحصول على الدعم باللغة العربية [00:14] they will not help me [00:14] they are stuped like me :D [00:15] if that possible i would know my web cam name and version [00:15] Matr|x: This is not a support channel, [00:15] so wher i can go :O [00:16] im banned from the ubuntu support channel [00:16] #ubuntu is the proper channel for that question [00:16] #ubuntu #ubuntu-ops :Forwarding to another channel [00:17] Matr|x: don't PM me please [00:17] Matr|x: If you were paying attention, I already told you: I forwarded you here (instead of banning you out right) in hopes that you'd be able to fix your misbehavior [00:17] fuck u alllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllll [00:17] that clears it up [00:17] Indeed. [00:17] yea its fucking mad me :S [00:17] why u ppl do that with me :S [00:17] because you're being arrogant. [00:18] and abusive. [00:19] @mark Matr|x [00:19] The operation succeeded. [00:21] tux11 almost sounds drunk [00:22] more than almost [00:23] It's ... sunday... why are people drunk on sundays? [00:23] Flannel: hey, i've just had a beer myself. [00:24] Isn't ... work tomorrow and stuff? [00:24] work? [00:24] pfff [00:24] FFForever: How can we help you today? [00:24] hi FFForever [00:24] How is #Ubuntu staff picked? [00:25] chosen by the irc council [00:25] after watching their behavior for quite a while [00:25] Ahhh [00:26] Also can you guys break up #ubuntu i find with all of the scrolling text its a pain to actually get help without asking 4-5 times during peak hours =\ [00:26] maybe load balance it between ubuntu-1, -2, -3, etc [00:27] FFForever: that is a problem, it has been discussed often but in general ops seemed not to believe there is a breaking-up scheme that would work well [00:27] =\ [00:27] FFForever: i have my own #ubuntu-meta experiment to report unanswered questions but mostly it's been ignored [00:28] FFForever: The problem with that is that the helpers would have to watch N channels instead of 1 [00:28] and each switch requires you to read a lot of scrollback to catch up, etc. [00:28] So isntead of remaining up to date with the state of the chat, we'd spend all our time playing catch up [00:28] Flannel, so make dedicated room ops [00:28] It's not about the operators, its about the people asking questions [00:28] er, answering [00:29] well give each person 1 assigned room [00:29] no one assigns anyone anything [00:29] people answering questions are volunteers [00:29] they answer if and when they feel like [00:29] they aren't appointed by anyone [00:29] FFForever: we are all volunteers [00:29] FFForever: Alright, I'll assign you #ubuntu-1 [00:29] ^_^ [00:30] * FFForever waits for visitors [00:30] FFForever: now remember, you have to answer every question in that room for 8 hours straight until someone comes and relieves you. [00:30] Do you see how that won't really work? [00:31] yeah, and i already do it in #crossover.... [00:31] so, that's why we have #ubuntu [00:33] FFForever: also, please part #ubuntu-1 ;) [00:33] ..., but you assigned me there for 8hours a day :D [00:34] only as a gedankexperiment [00:34] ... [00:34] thought experiment [00:35] * LjL denkt dass flannel sollte englisch sprechen [00:35] LjL: "gedankexperiment" is the technical term, yes, it's borrowed, but that doesn't mean its not an "english word" [00:36] i was only postulating that it weren't as a gedankexperiment. [00:36] Haha [00:37] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thought_experiment [00:37] also, my german there was broken. [00:37] yeah, but I understood it [00:38] Oh dear. Seems the infinitive case is the proper usage. [00:38] infinitive *case*? [00:38] would you prefer form? [00:38] infinitive is a mood [00:38] nouns have cases, verbs don't [00:39] anyway the problem i see with my sentence is that "sollte" should have been at the end [00:39] Only in the literary sense. I was using 'case' as in, scenario, etc. [00:39] Yes, I was referring to "Gedanken" vs "Gedank" [00:39] ah. [00:39] although, I suppose proper conjucation would be Gedankt, wouldn't it? [00:39] err... [00:39] denken, dacht... dakt... [00:39] i dunno :< [00:40] th0r called the ops in #ubuntu () [00:41] the point is that assigning people to support rooms only works if they are definately available during set hours, and you have a large overlap of knowledge, i.e. for N rooms you need N sets of people that know all of the answers to the problems [00:42] norrisg1... [00:42] Sigh. [00:42] I had only muted him, I suppose I should've just banned him [00:43] Flannel: to be entirely honest, i think he could have safely gotten rid of much earlier than the mute [00:43] Indeed, I could've. But I figured with the mute, he'd get bored for not talking and leave. [00:43] s/for/with/ [00:44] no but i mean, before you muted him, IMHO it was already clear he was just a low-level troll [00:44] and then the mute would time out, and I wouldn't have to remember to remove a ban in a few days [00:44] Flannel: you speaking to him? [00:44] No, I'm not [00:44] k [00:44] FFForever: Does that satisfy your question regarding a number of rooms? [00:46] Flannel, yeah [00:47] * jrib hands LjL a anti-troll cookie [00:47] thank you jribbo [00:49] Flannel, on a side note the upgrade worked and do-release-upgrade says there are no new versions [00:54] according to sebsebseb, ilyas was around earlier saying "j/ #linuxac" and not much else [00:54] FFForever: if you dont have any more questions for the ops, Can I request that you part this channel? [00:58] knome called the ops in #xubuntu () [01:00] * LjL wonders if TomTom1 was actually helped by gnorris, pity he left the server now after first leaving the channel. [01:02] !idle | FFForever [01:02] FFForever: Please keep in mind that this channel is for operator/abuse questions only; we ask you to part when you have no further business here in order to keep track of users with pending inquiries. [01:21] g'night [01:35] does !spam *have* to be aliased to !etiquette? [01:35] i see it used quite inappropriate (and, hell, it spams!) a few times [01:36] !-spam [01:36] spam is etiquette - added by Mez on 2007-02-11 16:34:50 [01:36] !spam is Please don't spam [01:36] But spam already means something else! [01:36] ubottu no, spam is Please don't spam [01:36] I'll remember that Seeker` [01:39] "how do I control the IRC?" I wish I knew. [01:39] Pici: indeed, indeed [01:39] /mode +b *!* [01:39] Seeker`: fail [01:39] hit enter too soon [01:43] * Seeker` sleep [02:02] f1shb0t is a bot [02:02] spamming several channels [02:03] I figured/ [02:03] Pici: check o-m too [02:03] I know, I checked /who [02:03] why do i even tell you things like this [02:16] __mikem :| [02:21] i think you might want to elaborate, or something [02:23] Well, elky had to yell at him last night twice for acting violently [02:23] We were in a somewhat heated discussion about free software and seemed to be getting a little bit too passionate about it [02:24] Then later on, he said something about covering me in liquid nitrogen and lighting me on fire, which I didn't quite understand because that wouldn't work anyways, but that was strike #2 from her [02:25] Oh, LjL ^ Just so it'll give you the alert that I talked :-P [02:26] read it already. [02:26] Okiedoke [02:26] but i'm not the one who needs to read it [02:26] Who does? [02:26] ops [02:26] Aren't you one? [02:27] no. you already highlighted elky, unfortunately she doesn't seem to be around, otherwise i suspect highlighting her would have been a good mode ;) [02:27] Yeah, I think she comes on later [02:28] Should I just paste in the part of what he said for her to see later? [02:28] It's 4 lines I think [02:28] I'm not sure how flood rate rules are [02:28] you might want to highlight what you think was not appropriate, yes [02:28] wims: Just apt-get it? Or is there no package for it? [02:28] yeah [02:28] apt-get [02:28] * __mikem apt-gets some .45 rounds and shoots wims [02:29] For you elky ^ [02:32] jumbers, my ¢2 opinion... mikem can be annoying, but then this sort of "violence" is usually very much in jest, it's the same sort of "violence" that comes from the bot's @lart [02:34] I understand that, I'm just mentioning this because she had to talk to him twice yesterday about it [02:35] sure, it's also true that things add up. [02:36] Also, as a side note, not many of the @lart things are actually violent, most are just horrible things like being divided by zero [02:36] Except being stabbed by ubottu :( [02:41] err, i "think" relay2 is a bot [02:41] oh, it left by itself. [02:56] Hello everyone :). __mikem's been more irritating than usual, and is persisting in his "/me [does stupid violent things] to [random people]" messages despite being asked not to. It'd be awesome if 1) there were guidelines about whether him "stabbing" and "poking" and "humping" (though I haven't seen that one recently) is okay in -ot, 2) the !mikem factoid got dropped (since it's only encouraging him). [02:57] he did do the humping thing recently [02:57] rww: Glad you came to say something similar to what I did. That means I'm not the only one that feels that way [02:57] LjL: Yeah, before [02:58] chuck_ called the ops in #ubuntu () [02:58] LjL called the ops in #ubuntu () [02:58] jumbers: You're definitely not. I suspect there are plenty of people in -ot that don't particularly enjoy him. [02:59] I know he and I have had our disagreements in the past, so I might not be considered objective, but I think he needs a talking to or something to get him to cut it out. [02:59] rww: I'm pretty sure "pouring liquid nitrogen on me and then lighting me with a match" is definitely o4o [02:59] rww: Even though that would not work anyway because it's not flammable [03:00] rww: He already had two yesterday, by elky [03:00] rww: One for getting very angry about free software, and the other had to do with the liquid nitrogen thing I mentioned above [03:01] I imagine it falls under the various "don't be an asshat"-esque parts of IrcGuidelines. Unfortunately, he seems to be one of those people that only follows literal rules (and only then because we've been throwing !politics and !o4o at him repeatedly for what, months?) [03:02] I'll keep a closer eye on him, I've been halfway here for most of the day. [03:02] rww: there is "Don't be annoying " [03:02] The problem is, he say "okay, okay, sorry" and does it again [03:03] There's a few things that he could be caught up to speed regarding [03:03] and "Be respectful" from the CoC [03:03] Oh, I think this might also be something to note down. He PMed me yesterday after the second incident [03:03] It's a couple lines, don't get mad at the flood please :) [03:03] oh god, the PMing, forgot about that [03:03] <__mikem> I don't really know what has elky's panties in a knot [03:03] Because she already yelled at you once [03:03] <__mikem> And i don't know what I did the first time either [03:03] <__mikem> I wasn't spamming [03:03] <__mikem> She wasn't around when I was cussing with *'s [03:03] You went into a big outburst [03:03] <__mikem> anyway bed time [03:04] He PMs people with o4o comments all the time. Several people have PMs from him blocked because of this. I know it's outside your purview, but I feel it should factor into an evaluation of him. [03:05] jumbers: He complains to me about topyli too, with similar comments. [03:06] rww: While I agree they aren't necessary, I also am not sure I agree that it should be considered because it's not something the ops have the ability to deal with. That would be similar to saying "You stole a car in France, so we're putting you in jail in the US for that" [03:07] * rww shrugs [03:07] It does factor in. [03:09] Yeah, looks like someone is going to have to talk to __mikem [03:10] Perhaps when more ops are hear ask him to come here [03:10] I would guess elky would also want to see about this since she was the one who dealt with it yesterday [03:12] Okay, well I'm about to get distracted, and I know Flannel's busy, so I'll /part unless there was anything else :) [03:12] I'm all for joking around, when it's somewhat obvious you're joking around. It's just that he does it unprovoked and completely randomly [03:13] and very frequently [03:13] * Flannel notes that points have been made, and we'll do our best to police. I don't think sitting here discussing it furhter will help a whole lot [03:13] (and yes, I'm now busy ;) [03:13] Okays then. Thanks everyone :) [04:19] chuck_ called the ops in #ubuntu () [04:20] ban evasion! === ursula__ is now known as Ursinha [05:50] ion_ called the ops in #ubuntu-devel () === ursula_ is now known as Ursinha === ursula__ is now known as Ursinha [07:11] Hi vertix, how can we help you today? [07:14] vertix: If there's nothing we can assist you with at the moment, please part. You're already aware of our no-idle policy. [07:34] Jussi01 Myrtti Pici Mez mneptok nalioth tritium: vertix is here again [07:35] Seeker`: yes, s/he is. [07:36] vertix: please part this channel [07:37] jumbers: how can we help you today? [08:01] * nalioth will not be removing this one so quickly [08:17] thank you [08:25] Morning ikonia [08:26] morning [08:29] ikonia: did you end up gtting a decent sounding hi-hat? [08:30] ha, no [08:30] doh! [08:30] :D [08:30] Im guessing you didnt have time to record for me either... [08:31] didn't get home until gone midnight [08:52] vertix going nuts about bios level rootkits and how #ubuntu-ops have infected his machine [08:52] very very funny [08:52] he's clearly insane [08:56] ikonia: Where? [09:05] ##security [09:05] he's stopped now [09:05] I joined after watching him ramble about nonsense bios root kits in #ubuntu-kernel, ##kernel and ##linux [09:16] argh [09:16] Myrtti: you're the one saving kittens from crying! [09:17] Oh [09:17] * Myrtti facepalms [09:17] except not quite saved it seems [09:17] *sobsob* [09:24] what ended up happening re:__mikem? [09:25] ooh, did vertix get a k-ticket? [09:25] no, really?! [09:34] no [09:34] still active [09:36] ah, he's just banned from here? [09:36] yeah [09:36] thank god [09:36] yup, nal put a ban in place [09:37] his ranting in other channels make me think it's best to just forget about him for a hile [09:37] he's genuinly coming across as deluded [09:45] just dont let anyone introduce him to moira. [09:54] joot called the ops in #ubuntu () [12:25] nobody's given the status for __mikem yet... [12:25] what status ? [12:26] did someone give him a slap around in PM? [12:26] no idea [12:27] I've not touched him [12:27] haven't seen him active either though [12:28] Myrtti, he was active enough earlier in particular with his violent /me things to annoy someone enough to complain in here [12:28] Bollocks... [12:28] oh and Ive not spoken to mikem [12:28] :) [12:28] bollocks what? [12:29] elky: sorry, was meant for a different channel... just things right now tho [12:29] elky: s/active/active when I've been on IRC today/ [12:30] not that I've looked that much on -ot, reinstalling my laptop is fairly time consuming [12:41] SAY WHAT?! [12:41] gnome-do comes with evolution as a dependency?! [12:41] Myrtti: likely a recomends [12:42] use --no-install-recommends ;) [12:42] * jussi01 hates that... [12:42] good point [12:43] you got me scared there [12:51] * elky is tired and going for early sleepies [12:52] * Pici waves [12:52] elky: goodnight [13:05] so, I really *HAVE* to install evolution... [13:05] *Sigh* [13:06] Doh! [13:07] * Myrtti checks out gnome-launch-box === ursula__ is now known as Ursinha [13:28] Myrtti: gnome-do is not very useful anyway. use the deskbar [13:29] oh but you would have to install the gnome-applet-xfce-applet, which might be too expensive :( [13:32] I just remapped ctrl-space to run xfrun :-( [13:32] I'm not happy with this [13:32] :[ [13:33] gnome-launch-box feels really clunky and heavy even compared to gnome-do === ursula_ is now known as Ursinha [13:33] I must be doing something wrong [13:33] oops, is it that late already [14:20] hi jumbers [14:20] what's up ? [14:21] I was wondering if anybody got the chance to look at the stuff rww and I were talking about in here yesterday [14:21] which stuff ? [14:21] there was a lot talked about, refresh me [14:21] __mikem [14:21] yes, I believe people are dealing with the issue [14:22] has he been a problem again ? [14:22] Nope, I was just following up. I know elky wasn't around when we were saying it and she had been the one that dealt with it previously [14:22] I believe it is being resolved [14:22] Okay, thanks [14:22] no problem === ursula__ is now known as Ursinha === Ursinha is now known as Guest66427 === Guest66427 is now known as ursula_ === ursula_ is now known as Ursinha [15:48] ikonia: ping === ursula_ is now known as Ursinha-packing [16:47] @login [16:47] The operation succeeded. [16:47] @btlogin === christel is now known as off === off is now known as christel [18:49] your meds? [18:49] mneptok: possibly the slowest joke ever? [18:50] is that a challenge? [18:50] no [19:00] Ursinha-packing: It is, but changing your nick twice in a row to a different away status is still something we'd like to not see. [19:01] Pici, I'm asking because a friend of mine complained to me that someone did that !away warning to him when he changed his nick a while ago to nick-afk [19:01] just that, not simultaneous nick changes or the like [19:02] There really should be no reason to chang your nick to set a status, thats what the away message system is for. [19:02] That said, some operators and users define the notion of nickspam differently. [19:03] oh great tavish has his own channel for a sanctuary for trolls [19:03] Pici, that's why I asked [19:03] topyli: Are there really people in there, or was he just joking? [19:03] topyli: ugh [19:03] he said he created it long ago, but right now there's only one user [19:04] !away [19:04] You should avoid noisy away messages in a busy channel like #ubuntu, or other Ubuntu channels; it causes excessive scrolling which is unfair to new users. Use the command "/away " to set your client away silently. See also «/msg ubottu Guidelines» [19:04] (which he just invited) [19:04] !-nickspam [19:04] nickspam has no aliases - added by ompaul on 2006-09-16 15:00:49 - last edited by LjL on 2008-10-29 20:40:44 [19:04] I thought nickspam and away were aliases of each other. [19:04] nickspam is different to !away [19:04] status's should never be set in nicks. [19:37] ok, so mikem is around again [19:37] did he get a new Mac or something? ;) [19:38] Myrtti: why, he got offended and left? [19:38] I have no idea [19:39] /lastlog says that the last time he spoke was about 14 hours ago. [19:39] what I know that there's been several requests in the last 24h to talk with him about his /me humps X [19:39] and whatever like [19:39] yeah, there have been. so go and talk with him :P === jdong_ is now known as jdong [19:44] LjL: me talking to him would be a bit weird since I wasn't there when the incident was hot and I've not really gotten ackquainted with his behaviour before [19:44] I thought that the suggestions where either a) elky talk to him or b) invite him here, and everyone talk to hom [19:44] *him [19:46] Seeker`: oh, didn't remember/see option b [19:46] Myrtti: I may have been making it up [19:47] heh [20:26] Myrtti: I know you probably snuck some photos of me @ LRL - still have them? [20:27] Mez: none apart the ones in Flickr [20:27] * Mez goes and has a snoop and sees if he can find anything decent [20:28] Myrtti: where's the LRL collection? [20:29] http://www.flickr.com/photos/myrtti/sets/72157606376085042/ [20:30] thankies :D [20:30] * Mez hates pictures of himself [20:30] which is why all the pictures of yourself suck [20:31] Myrtti: actually, I quite like the one you took of me... can I steals it ? [20:31] Mez: cc-by-sa, use as you wish [20:31] I might have others but not as good as that one [20:32] oh great now i'm in the middle of an argument whether or not stabbing is allowed on -ot [20:33] Myrtti: shame it's not a higher res though :( [20:34] i guess it is as long as ubottu does it [20:34] maybe ubottu shouldn't then [20:35] or maybe it really is just fun and i'm wrong. dunno [20:35] Is anybody going to be offended? [20:35] Myrtti: am I able to /msg you at the moment? [20:35] nickspoon: there have been complaints about __mikems stabbing etc. [20:35] "Oh my, somebody has stabbed me on the internet, I shall be writing a stern letter to the Telegraph." [20:35] and general violence [20:35] it may be difficult to say "don't do this" when ubottu does it as part of factoids [20:36] __mikem is a bit excessive, though. [20:36] nickspoon: perhaps not. the other category is humping and licking [20:36] no idea [20:36] well mikem is another story [20:37] god my photos are a mess [20:37] Myrtti: If possible, would it be ok to skip the "BY" in that licence? it's a bit hard to attribute what'll end up as about 1.5cm on a page :D [20:38] Mez: sure [20:38] Myrtti: *huggles* thankies :D I'll let you know if it gets used (though, with the cig, I doubt it will :'( damned art editors) [20:38] lol, what happen to gthumb? [20:39] can someone please give "ana" in #ubuntu a nudge towards the brazil channel ? [20:40] thanks [20:45] Ampelbein: How can we help you today? [20:46] hi. I think the !bug factoid should be updated to advice the use of "ubuntu-bug" instead of directly filing a bug on launchpad. [20:46] Ampelbein: You're free to make a suggestion. [20:47] See http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBots on how to suggest factoids. [20:47] Pici: ok, thanks. [20:47] bye [20:50] In ubottu, Ampelbein said: !no, bug is If you find a bug in Ubuntu or any of its derivatives, please file a bug using the command 'ubuntu-bug ' - If that fails, you can report bugs manually at https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+filebug. - Bugs in/wishes for the bots can be filed at http://launchpad.net/ubuntu-bots [20:55] !bugs [20:55] If you find a bug in Ubuntu or any of its derivatives, please file a bug using the command « ubuntu-bug » If that fails, you can manually report bugs at http://bugs.ubuntu.com - Bugs in/wishes for the bots can be filed at http://launchpad.net/ubuntu-bots [20:55] !bugs > Ampelbein [20:56] hi again. Pici: i don't think that bugs.ubuntu.com should be the entry-point for bug reporters. [20:56] Ampelbein: Too confusing? [20:57] Pici: i think so. the "report a bug" icon is rather small compared to the tag-list, the bug-list and so on. [20:58] Pici: and for sorting out duplicates, launchpad has a neat search function when actually reporting a bug. [20:59] Ampelbein: Okay, I'll go ahead and change it. I was going for factoid shortness when I modfied the original [20:59] !bugs [20:59] If you find a bug in Ubuntu or any of its derivatives, please file a bug using the command « ubuntu-bug » If that fails, you can report bugs manually at https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+filebug - Bugs in/wishes for the bots can be filed at http://launchpad.net/ubuntu-bots [21:00] Pici: thanks. i think that produces more valueable bug-reports. [21:00] have a nice day/evening/night everyone. [21:00] you too [21:08] Why can't all users be like that? :( [21:09]