[00:00] <SiDi> nijm: manpages-dev ?
[00:00] <SiDi> and manpages-##-dev, ## being the code of your locale
[00:01] <nijm> SiDi, thanks. Just tried manpages-dev. That has all the syscall man pages, but not header file man pages. Just trying to find what section those man pages are in so I can look for the package with apt-file
[00:04] <SiDi> Why do you want a manpage for an header file ?
[00:04] <SiDi> Most of the time there is no such thing
[00:04] <SiDi> if you want an exhaustive list of functions, open /usr/include/math.h ;)
[00:04] <nijm> They often tell you about the functions and structures in it
[00:04] <SiDi> either, the man pages refer to functions / sets of functions
[00:04] <nijm> Fair enough
[00:05] <SiDi> the only counter example i'd have is pthread, for which there is a global manpage :P
[00:07] <nijm> manpages-posix-dev :-)
[00:11] <SiDi> they've got it all ? :O
[00:18] <nijm> They have man pages for header files
[00:18] <SiDi> damn
[00:19] <SiDi> i usually end up opening the .h file and searching inside it :)
[00:19] <SiDi> but its sometimes more accurate
[00:57] <SiDi> Jhodas: did you CTCP me ?
[00:57] <Mood> ops: Jhodas abusing DCC
[00:57] <Jhodas> what?
[00:57] <JPohlmann> I received a request too.
[00:57] <Mood> ops: Jhodas sending unsolicited DCC files
[00:57] <dahaic> me too
[00:57] <Jhodas> IM NOT1
[00:58] <SiDi> lol, his IRC client looking for friends ?
[00:58] <Mood> ops: please help
[00:58] <Jhodas> probably
[00:58] <Jhodas> leaveing
[00:58] <JPohlmann> Ts
[00:58] <Cream> Mood, what is he sending exactly?
[00:58] <SiDi> CTCP chat queries
[00:58] <SiDi> not like most clients care about it
[00:58] <Mood> Cream: it's not CTCP for me. he tried sending me a file
[00:58] <SiDi> but usually people who spam these requests have something in mind
[00:58] <knome> hmm
[00:58] <knome> !ops
[00:59] <SiDi> files sent via CTCP requrests on IRC, Mood
[00:59] <knome> lol
[00:59] <knome> ;)
[00:59] <gnomefreak> ?
[00:59] <knome> i'm not listed there, aight
[00:59] <SiDi> well, if an op could ban his hostname, i'd not say no
[00:59] <knome> gnomefreak, no problem. just wanted to check :)
[00:59] <Mood> SiDi: right. i was distinguishing between querying my OS vs. sending me a file
[01:00] <Jhodas> back
[01:00] <SiDi> gnomefreak: here, here, kick him ! :P
[01:00] <knome> gnomefreak, ehm, right. i said sorry. and i'm an op myself. :P
[01:00] <Jhodas> It's not deliberate
[01:00] <SiDi> Jhodas: what the hell was that mess from your IRC client, btw ?
[01:00] <Jhodas> IDK
[01:00] <Mood> Jhodas: what idiotic file are you trying to send me?
[01:00] <Jhodas> sorry SiDi, and anyone else who got a DCC req
[01:00] <knome> Jhodas, i did.
[01:01] <Jhodas> sorry to you too :(
[01:01] <SiDi> be careful with that, you could easily get banned from channels with this :p
[01:01] <Jhodas> yea
[01:01] <Jhodas> thankfully #xubuntu is a friendly place
[01:01] <SiDi> yeh
[01:01] <SiDi> as long as you're cute with mice of course
[01:02] <knome> :P
[01:02] <Jhodas> I've got mice in my house if that helps.
[01:02] <SiDi> me too
[01:02] <SiDi> one per PC
[01:02] <knome> ehmn...
[01:02]  * SiDi hides
[01:03] <knome> somehow i thought that "house" meant "pants"
[01:03] <SiDi> perv
[01:03] <Jhodas> rofl
[01:03] <SiDi> what the hell do you do with mice ?
[01:03] <knome> ("housut" means "pants" in finnish)
[01:03] <Jhodas> there are laws against that kind of thing in a lot of countries knome
[01:03] <SiDi> we wont let you approach any of them for karmic artwork, you're warned, knome ! :P
[01:03] <knome> haha
[01:03] <knome> then i have to include lots of cute kittens!
[01:03] <SiDi> rawr, yes
[01:03] <SiDi> kittens
[01:04] <knome> *kinky* kittens
[01:04] <SiDi> but dont do anything to them !
[01:04]  * SiDi won't answer. Fears the +k
[01:04] <knome> ;>
[01:05] <SiDi> i'm really looking forward to be at barcelona
[01:05] <SiDi> i so want some holidays :)
[01:05]  * knome wonders why listen has to print all artists with a starting capital letter, even if the id3 artist started with a lowercase letter
[01:05] <knome> uds is definitely *not* a holiday
[01:06] <knome> well at least wasn't for me and won't be if i ever get to one again
[01:06] <SiDi> knome: the week after it, with a flat in the center of the town and food ready every evening, defo sounds like holidays :D
[01:06] <knome> aha
[01:06] <knome> sounds more like a holiday, yes
[01:06] <knome> but where's the beer?
[01:07] <SiDi> theres always beer there
[01:07] <knome> hehe
[01:07] <knome> it's important!
[01:07] <Jhodas> Barcelona is awesome
[01:07] <SiDi> i'll have some time for resting and relaxing
[01:07] <knome> lol
[01:07] <SiDi> and connect my brain back to the world. and become creative, maybe
[01:07] <SiDi> and begin painting kittens everywhere
[01:08] <knome> once jannis gets here in finland, we're gonna have lots of beer
[01:08] <SiDi> hes going there in holidays this summer ?
[01:08] <knome> yep
[01:08] <SiDi> dont get too much beer
[01:09] <Jhodas> can never had too much beer
[01:09] <SiDi> or i'll have to cross europe to steal some of it
[01:09] <knome> and even my roommate from last uds might be visiting
[01:09] <knome> ;D
[01:09] <knome> you're welcome
[01:09] <knome> but remember, once you meet me, you're obliged to buy me more beer
[01:09] <SiDi> ah well, if i find a cheap plane ticket i'll bug you on irc then :P
[01:09] <knome> sure!
[01:09] <SiDi> hehe, that should be ok :p
[01:10] <knome> ah, memories flow into my mind ;)
[01:10] <JPohlmann> knome: My friends are in finland from august to january. I'll see when I can make it.
[01:10] <knome> JPohlmann, yeah no problem. the bars serve beer all year long. ;)
[01:11] <SiDi> oh JPohlmann there was something i wanted to ask you about thunar :p
[01:11] <SiDi> so since you're around you wont escape ! :)
[01:11] <knome> hah
[01:11] <JPohlmann> *sigh*
[01:11] <knome> wouldn't count on that
[01:11] <SiDi> will we have sexy tabs, or is it not planned ?
[01:11] <knome> wontfix
[01:11]  * knome hides
[01:11] <SiDi> aw
[01:11]  * SiDi grabs a few kittens and goes cry in a corner.
[01:12] <knome> arr...?
[01:12] <SiDi> kittens are for cheering me up
[01:12] <SiDi> so i can come back soon :P
[01:12] <knome> hah
[01:12] <JPohlmann> Tabs are not planned.
[01:12] <knome> don't tell more about that "cheering *up*"
[01:13] <JPohlmann> I don't like 'em personally.
[01:13] <knome> i don't see how tabs would be useful in a file browser
[01:13] <JPohlmann> I'd rather introduce other ways to make actions across several folders more comfortable.
[01:13] <knome> like... get people only using one folder?
[01:13] <knome> ;>
[01:14] <SiDi> knome: you're desperating :p
[01:14] <SiDi> i love tabs. makes it take less room on my little screen than 3 windows
[01:14] <JPohlmann> I know the question about tabs will come over and over again, so I'll better stick to what we've said before: no tabs.
[01:15] <Jhodas> I like tabs, but do all my folder stuff through the cli
[01:15] <SiDi> Jhodas: i end up doing that too cause the gui way is too slow
[01:16] <SiDi> but thats uncomfortable
[01:16] <SiDi> and i dont see any way to switch fast from different navigation trees than those damn tabs :p
[01:16] <JPohlmann> See, that's the real question we need to ask ourselves: how can we make the file manager more useful or at least as comfortable and fast as a terminal.
[01:16] <Jhodas> Thunar is a very nice tool tho
[01:16] <JPohlmann> I don't think tabs alone can solve that.
[01:17] <knome> or an even better question: how can we make something that kills the need for a file manager
[01:18] <Jhodas> you're always going to need a file manager for when your linux illiterate aunty sits down to check her emails or something
[01:19] <knome> we usually believe that the tools we have now are something we can't replace but we should try to think more of alternative ways to work
[01:19] <Jhodas> true
[01:20] <Jhodas> I had fun moving over from windows, although I still dual boot to play WoW
[01:20] <knome> i totally believe that file managers can be made redundant
[01:20] <Jhodas> I dont
[01:20] <Jhodas> some people prefer to work with something visual
[01:20] <knome> isn't wow supposed to have full support for running under wine?
[01:21] <knome> something visual doesn't necessarily mean a file manager as it is now
[01:21] <knome> what if the files where organised by the purpose?
[01:21] <Jhodas> explain?
[01:22] <knome> how can we improve on bringing up the files that makes most sense in the context?
[01:22] <knome> for example, if you want to play music, you would see music files
[01:23] <Jhodas> that mainly lies with the user i think.
[01:23] <Jhodas> keeping their files organised how they want them
[01:24] <knome> what if the system recognised your habits or mood someway (typing speed, recognising facial expressions via camera) and brought up things you most probably want to do?
[01:24] <Jhodas> ooooh computer vision
[01:24] <Jhodas> i have an exam on that in 2 weeks
[01:24] <knome> technically that's not far away
[01:24] <Jhodas> not at all
[01:24] <Jhodas> although it would have to be extremely user specific
[01:24] <knome> we already can do that actually, but we lack context
[01:25] <knome> the system can learn from the user doing things
[01:25] <Jhodas> it would be extrememly resource intensive
[01:25] <knome> pc's grow bigger all the time
[01:25] <Jhodas> true
[01:26] <Jhodas> but it the overhead worth the result?
[01:26] <knome> you can cloud compute
[01:26] <Jhodas> IMO, at the moment no. but when 8 and 16 core processors are common, maybe
[01:26] <Jhodas> you could
[01:26] <knome> i don't know, but that's one solution to what we was wondering: how to make file managers useless
[01:27] <Jhodas> you're always going to have files though
[01:27] <Jhodas> at least for the forseeable future
[01:27] <knome> yes, but the concept on how you need to interact with them might change
[01:28] <knome> actually many windows users already use just one "folder"
[01:28] <knome> for saving all of their files
[01:28] <knome> they have a really tiny and a totally different concept about file managing than, for example, JPohlmann, who has written a file manager
[01:28] <knome> (or just maintaining it? whatever)
[01:29] <Jhodas> It depends what you need to do with files
[01:29] <knome> no, not really.
[01:29]  * JPohlmann is busy but promises to read the backlog
[01:29] <knome> JPohlmann, hehe, nevermind :P
[01:29] <knome> Jhodas, those people think the files are just buttons or routes to get what they want
[01:29] <Jhodas> they are
[01:30] <knome> Jhodas, yes, but they don't want to sort them.
[01:30] <knome> Jhodas, they don't want to know about file structures
[01:30] <Jhodas> I confused as to what you're getting at?
[01:30] <knome> just that people have different concepts on file management
[01:31] <Jhodas> thats what i was saying :)
[01:31] <knome> yes, and many people don't need a file browser already.
[01:31] <Jhodas> but most of them use vista :(
[01:31] <knome> lol
[01:31] <Jhodas> which I have a clinical phobia of
[01:32] <knome> that's not essential
[01:32] <Jhodas> vista or the phobia
[01:32] <Jhodas> ?
[01:32] <knome> whether they have vista, xp, linux or *bsd
[01:33] <Jhodas> I think if you take the file manager out of the equation, you lose a lot of fine grained control
[01:33] <knome> it doesn't have to disappear completely.
[01:34] <Jhodas> perhaps
[01:34] <knome> we still have the configuration files in ubuntu, even if people can control their system usually with gui-only
[01:34] <Jhodas> ah i see your point
[01:34] <Simetrical> When I used to use Ubuntu, GNOME would remember the passphrase for my private key for the remainder of my session, so I only had to type it one time on boot instead of on every SSH connection.  Can I get Xubuntu to do that?
[01:35] <knome> Simetrical, by which app you are connecting with?
[01:35] <Jhodas> yea, all the packages available to ubuntu are available to xubuntu
[01:35] <Simetrical> Just ordinary ssh on a command line, generally.
[01:35] <Jhodas> you just need to find out which app it is and: sudo apt-get install
[01:35] <knome> i'm not sure if that is possible
[01:36] <Jhodas> ah
[01:36] <Simetrical> It worked in GNOME.
[01:37] <knome> Simetrical, i have no answer for that, sorry.
[01:37] <Jhodas> is it an option in ssh?
[01:38] <Simetrical> ssh seemed to hook into some keychain thing GNOME had.
[01:38] <knome> Simetrical, gnome-keyring-manager is working in xubuntu.
[01:38] <Jhodas> that will do it
[01:38] <Jhodas> :)
[01:38] <knome> Simetrical, you might need to reinstall it, but i still don't believe if it can see ssh from xfce-terminal
[01:39] <Simetrical> Let me try from gnome-terminal.
[01:39] <knome> i need to sleep
[01:39] <Simetrical> Now it doesn't work from that either.
[01:39] <knome> i hope somebody can help you, Simetrical
[01:39] <Simetrical> Thank you.
[01:39] <knome> night
[01:40] <Jhodas> nn
[01:48] <Simetrical> Aha, ssh-add pretty much does what I want.
[01:49] <Jhodas> good good :-)
[02:48] <Jhodas> gone quiet...
[02:48]  * Jhodas starts singing Bjork
[02:52]  * R[a]ndom is listening to Guns N' Roses - The Rolling Stone Magazines 500 Greatest Songs Of All Time - Paradise City
[02:52] <R[a]ndom> take me down to the paradise city
[02:52] <R[a]ndom> whre the grass is green
[02:52] <R[a]ndom> :D
[03:24] <halz> hi folks. having problems playing back flv files. that I downloaded. worked fine when I installed the system, but after updating the system it wont work at all.
[03:25] <Jhodas> hmm
[03:26] <Jhodas> sec
[03:27] <MTec007> im trying to get a certain game working but i receive this error when i try to run it; what would a possible solution be? home/matthew/.setup18713: error while loading shared libraries: libgtk-1.2.so.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[03:28] <JPohlmann> MTec007: That's a *very* old game you have there.
[03:28] <JPohlmann> You need GTK+ 1.2 for that to work.
[03:28] <MTec007> it is.
[03:28] <MTec007> its the demo version of the game uplink...
[03:29] <MTec007> 2006 was the release date.
[03:30] <MTec007> can the problem be fixed without uninstalling the current version of gtk+?
[03:30] <JPohlmann> The two versions should have no conflicts.
[03:31] <MTec007> ok now, is gtk+ 1.2 in the apt-get rep.?
[03:31] <Jhodas> sorry halz, I cant help :(
[03:31] <MTec007> i dont know how to find out if it is or not
[03:32] <halz> its ok. I will try to convert them. looks like something broke :)
[03:32] <halz> mplayer vlc move player wont touch them now, maybe a libraray was changed
[03:32] <halz> Jhodas: np I'll try and convert them :)
[03:32] <JPohlmann> MTec007: libgtk1.2 and libgtk1.2-dev
[03:33] <MTec007> do i need both?
[03:33] <JPohlmann> -dev only if you're compiling the game by hand.
[03:33] <MTec007> ok:)
[03:33] <MTec007> its not open source:P
[03:33] <MTec007> its not even freeware :|
[03:33] <MTec007> but, it IS addictive.
[03:35] <Jhodas> are you allowed to tell us what it is? you seem to be being quiet about it...
[03:36] <MTec007> me?
[03:36] <MTec007> i said above, its the demo version of the game uplink
[03:36] <Jhodas> oh yea
[03:36]  * Jhodas blinks
[03:44] <halz> tried ffmpeg to convert flv to mpg but ffmpeg saying unspported video codec :(
[04:00] <halz> when I'm compiling and installing software does it go to /usr/local by default ?
[04:55] <dylan_> how can I get my nvidia 8800gt to display the max resolution that my screen is (1280 x 1024), there is no setting in either nvidia-settings program, or xubuntu display settings..
[04:55] <dylan_> I am stuck on 1024 x 768 as the max, aside from some widescreen formats in nvidia-settings that do not suite my square monitor.
[05:44] <artistxe> tomorrow (may 19) UNIX is 10,000 days old !!!
[07:34] <halz> hi folks. how do I start the wireless tool that shows up all the connections in range?
[07:35] <artistxe> which tool ?
[07:35] <artistxe> the NetworkManager applet ?
[07:35] <halz> artistxe: no well there use to be one that would show up available services
[07:36] <artistxe> add item to panel
[07:36] <halz> the network manager doesnt do that
[07:36] <artistxe> available services. sure it does
[07:36] <artistxe> I have 6 connections showing here
[07:38] <halz> your lucky then, the one I used *network app* showed my service but I get very little info on what's happening
[07:38] <halz> dmesg doesn't show anything useful
[07:39] <halz> and before I use to click on those two little computers on the top of the screen and it would give me an option to switch between eth and wlan, not so now. not sure if there is a problem
[07:42] <artistxe> http://imagebin.org/49400
[07:42] <artistxe> that is what I see
[07:42] <artistxe> two little computers ? what OS are you using ???
[07:45] <artistxe> have you tried a "sudo iwlist scan" yet ?
[08:18] <mikubuntu> guys, i am trying to edit a website that uses cpanel that i just switched to, but certain key functions (like save) are not working.  when i hit 'save' for instance, i get one of those 'a script is running on this page' messages, and whether i prompt to 'continue' or 'stop script' it does not save.  any ideas?  buntu bug or cpanel bug?
[09:01] <Slonkie> Anyone know where wine keeps it's shortcuts?
[09:03] <Slonkie> nvm found it.
[09:11] <Slonkie> Morning SiDi ! ;)
[11:52] <Slonkie> In jaunty in the Places button in the panels, there's folders for Documents, Music etc. - I've updated from 8.10 ti 9.04 but i don't have those, is it possible to get them enabled?
[11:58] <R1cochet> do u have the folders in ur home directory?
[11:58] <Slonkie> Yes
[11:58] <R1cochet> open thunar
[11:58] <R1cochet> are they in the sidepane?
[11:59] <Slonkie> No
[11:59] <R1cochet> add them to the side pane
[11:59] <R1cochet> st click> send to> sidepane
[11:59] <R1cochet> rt click*
[11:59] <Slonkie> yes thank you R1cochet !
[11:59] <R1cochet> np
[12:04] <Slonkie> !mount
[12:04] <Slonkie> !fstab
[12:04] <Slonkie> !swap
[12:38] <Slonkie> Does fstab reload if i just logout/login =
[12:38] <Slonkie> ?*
[12:44] <B3rk> afternoon
[13:42] <jmburgess> Slonkie: so fstab will work instantly, as in you can write the entry in fstab and then mount it right away, but a login/logout won't automatically mount any new drives
[13:42] <Slonkie> okay
[13:43] <Slonkie> well i just rebooted, just needed to see if it worked
[13:48] <jmburgess> hopefully it does
[13:58] <Myrtti> hmmm... is it just me that whatever themes I've got in ~/.themes aren't visible in the Window Manager Style chooser?
[14:00] <jmburgess> Myrtti: I thought to install themes you drag them to the chooser and it auto installs
[14:00] <jmburgess> Myrtti: I think you might have to like actually install them
[14:03] <Myrtti> well that drag and drop thing didn't work
[14:19] <KoshB5> I need hel with wicd.  How do I enable wpa2?  I'm useing ndiswrapper to load the driver.
[14:22] <MoonTiger> is anybody here?
[14:24]  * ball nods
[14:32]  * Jhodas shakes his head
[14:32]  * Jhodas points to the 'gone fishin' sign
[14:34]  * ball is still looking for bait
[14:38] <Myrtti> doh
[15:24] <artistxe> http://weburbanist.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/05/terminals_4.jpg        :)
[17:36] <m0r0n> Anyone willing to help me out on uninstalling Ubuntu, or helping me fix something so I don't have to
[17:44] <charlie-tca> !question
[17:53] <newbe> does anybody know how to open the faillog file
[18:00] <dylan_> anyways, I am trying to follow these instruction I got from a help forum http://pastebin.ca/1426530, and I am not quite sure exaclty what I should do, can someone have a look at them and explain to me what needs to be done ?
[18:00] <dylan_> newbe xorg.0.log ? (/var/log/Xorg.0.log)
[18:01] <charlie-tca> dylan_: does that include the /var/log/faillog?
[18:02] <charlie-tca> dylan_: perhaps #kubuntu or #kde could help more with that
[18:05] <charlie-tca> SiDi: any idea how to read /var/log/faillog ?
[18:05] <charlie-tca> According to firefox, it is a "BIN" format file
[18:07] <SiDi> faillog
[18:08] <SiDi> type the command :P
[18:09] <SiDi> charlie-tca: faillog -all | grep whatever you're looking at
[18:09] <SiDi> or just faillig
[18:09] <SiDi> s/i/o
[18:09] <charlie-tca> Thanks
[18:09]  * charlie-tca can't believe I didn't think of that
[18:12] <SiDi> actually
[18:12] <SiDi> i typed fail + tab when you asked me
[18:12] <SiDi> and noticed the command
[18:12] <SiDi> :P
[18:12] <charlie-tca> Now I feel a lot more dumb!
[18:31] <SiDi> knome: guess who's gonna print a report tomorrow morning ? :O
[18:32] <SiDi> charlie-tca: btw why do you wanna read that file ? Any idea what it'sfor ?
[18:38] <mr-woof> hi
[18:38] <mr-woof> wondering if anyone is around to give me a bit of hand with a dual boot situation :)
[18:42] <dylan_> anyone here use xfce ?
[18:42] <charlie-tca> Anyone using Xubuntu is using xfce, normally
[18:43] <dylan_> I am trying to follow these instruction for running kde 3.5 apps on modern ubuntu 9.04 jaunty versions
[18:43] <dylan_> charlie-tca, sorry trhough this was #ubuntu
[18:43] <charlie-tca> Ask on #kubuntu ?
[18:43] <dylan_> https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Kde3/Jaunty
[18:43] <dylan_> ok
[18:44] <mr-woof> I've got a netbook with Xandros installed, Using unetbooting i've installed Xubuntu onto a usb stick. Booted from that and installed it on an sd card in the netbook
[18:44] <mr-woof> now i'm getting grub error 21
[18:44] <dylan_> charlie-tca,  actually, its a xfce question, I need to add this into the "command" section for a shortcut on my xfce panel
[18:45] <dylan_> PATH=/opt/kde3/bin:/opt/kde3/games:/opt/kde3/bin:$PATH KDEDIRS=/usr/:/opt/kde3/ KDEHOME=$HOME/.kde3 XDG_DATA_DIRS=/opt/kde3/share/:/usr/share/ MANPATH=/opt/kde3/share/man <original application command, e.g. k3b or amarok>
[18:45] <charlie-tca> Actually, the wiki page is not xfce, but kubuntu
[18:45] <dylan_> but I get an error "failed to launch ..................."
[18:45] <dylan_> well I just installed xubuntu 9.04 jaunty
[18:46] <charlie-tca> Xubuntu does not use kde at all
[18:46] <charlie-tca> neither does xfce
[18:46] <dylan_> well what I am trying to do is execute kde apps from xfce
[18:46] <dylan_> but I can't
[18:47] <dylan_> ahh well
[18:47] <SiDi> mr-woof: can you get us the result of sudo fdisk -l and the content of /boot/menu.lst from the livecd please ?
[18:47] <SiDi> be careful to give us the system's menu.lst and not the cd's one
[18:47] <SiDi> !paste
[18:49] <dylan_> SiDi, would you know anything about jaunty xubuntu ?
[18:49] <dylan_> it has kde 4 programs stored in /usr/bin
[18:49] <SiDi> ...
[18:50] <mr-woof> That's the thing Sidi, I havent been using linux for that long and have only really been using Ubuntu. Xandros doesnt seem to have a menu.lst or grub
[18:50] <dylan_> well I managed to get the packages for kde 3.5, but they got installed to /opt/kde3, I am basically trying to replace the kde 4 apps (crap) with the old kde 3.5 apps, and run those from xfcfe.
[18:51] <dylan_> but becuase they are in /opt/kde3, I need to set paths to them
[18:51] <SiDi> mr-woof: well, we need to know how your partitions are setup to properly configure grub
[18:51] <dylan_> and I'm completely lost
[18:51] <SiDi> dylan_:
[18:51] <SiDi> this is #xubuntu
[18:51] <SiDi> with a X for XFCE
[18:51] <SiDi> there is #kubuntu
[18:51] <dylan_> yes I run xfce
[18:51] <SiDi> with a K for KDE
[18:51] <SiDi> the people who know about the *K*DE apps are in *k*ubuntu
[18:52] <dylan_> I just thought I would ask in xubuntu because that is what I have
[18:52] <knome> dylan_, if you are trying to install kde3.5 for xubuntu, please refer to #kubuntu.
[18:52] <SiDi> we can't help you for this dylan_
[18:52] <dylan_> no, just use some of its apps
[18:52] <SiDi> if you go to kubuntu and ask about getting xfce 4.2's apps, they wont be able either
[18:52] <SiDi> we dont even know kde 4, how would we know about 3.5 ? :)
[18:53] <SiDi> And Xubuntu comes with NO KDE app at all.
[18:54] <knome> dylan_, afaik there is no easy way to get kde3.5 in xubuntu jaunty. if there is one, the people at #kubuntu will know that.
[18:54] <knome> dylan_, it doesn't matter if you run xubuntu, kubuntu, ubuntu or fluxbuntu, because they all share the same core stuff.
[18:54] <dylan_> http://apt.pearsoncomputing.net/install.html
[18:55] <charlie-tca> dylan_: ask the people at that site, then, how to do what you are trying following their directions.
[18:56] <SiDi> !topic
[18:56] <dylan_> ok, well thanks anyways
[18:56] <SiDi> damn, this command doesnt return me the sexy topic
[18:56]  * SiDi slaps ubottu 
[18:57] <knome> SiDi, /topic :P
[18:58] <SiDi> i fear to change it by accident since i'm op :P
[18:58] <SiDi> or not :(
[18:58] <knome> haha
[18:58]  * SiDi goes play with #reztorrent 's topic
[18:59] <SiDi> with an almighty topic now
[18:59] <charlie-tca> You have op privileges, but you have to take it from ChanServ to use it, normally
[19:01] <SiDi> meh, they speak french x.x
[19:03] <dylan_> I guess here's the ultimate question:   how do I get old amarok (from kde 3.5) installed, instead of the default amarok 2.0, for xubuntu 9.04
[19:04] <charlie-tca> Xubuntu never installed amarok, it is not default installed.
[19:04] <dylan_> or does xubuntu have its own media player
[19:04] <knome> dylan_, xubuntu uses listen, but that's different than amarok
[19:04] <dylan_> I know but if I just apt-get install amarok, it will install kde 4.2's amarok
[19:04] <charlie-tca> If you installed Xubuntu, you got Listen and Totem
[19:04] <dylan_> ahh
[19:05] <charlie-tca> and it will install the dependencies it needs, too
[19:05] <mr-woof> I've just mailed the output of sudo fdisk -l to myself, so it should be up for viewing in a minute :)
[19:05] <knome> dylan_, if you need help with having amarok 1.x in jaunty, you have to ask #kubuntun, again
[19:05] <dylan_> k sure well this is the only channel that is answering me so thouigh I would ask here again ! :)
[19:06] <SiDi> mr-woof: okey
[19:06] <charlie-tca> Please do not ask here again. We can only suggest you install what ever is current
[19:10] <mr-woof> here you go
[19:10] <mr-woof> ubuntu@ubuntu:~$ sudo fdisk -l
[19:10] <mr-woof> Disk /dev/sda: 4034 MB, 4034838528 bytes
[19:10] <mr-woof> 255 heads, 63 sectors/track, 490 cylinders
[19:10] <mr-woof> Units = cylinders of 16065 * 512 = 8225280 bytes
[19:10] <mr-woof> Disk identifier: 0x8eb98eb9
[19:10] <mr-woof>   Device Boot      Start         End      Blocks   Id  System
[19:10] <mr-woof> /dev/sda1   *           1         300     2409718+  83  Linux
[19:10] <mr-woof> /dev/sda2             301         488     1510110   83  Linux
[19:10] <mr-woof> /dev/sda3             489         489        8032+   c  W95 FAT32 (LBA)
[19:10] <mr-woof> /dev/sda4             490         490        8032+  ef  EFI (FAT-12/16/32)
[19:10] <mr-woof> Disk /dev/sdb: 16.1 GB, 16139354112 bytes
[19:10] <mr-woof> 255 heads, 63 sectors/track, 1962 cylinders
[19:10] <mr-woof> Units = cylinders of 16065 * 512 = 8225280 bytes
[19:10] <mr-woof> Disk identifier: 0x8ec18ec1
[19:10] <mr-woof>   Device Boot      Start         End      Blocks   Id  System
[19:10] <mr-woof> /dev/sdb1               1        1962    15759733+  83  Linux
[19:10] <mr-woof> Disk /dev/sdc: 8178 MB, 8178892800 bytes
[19:10] <mr-woof> 252 heads, 62 sectors/track, 1022 cylinders
[19:10] <mr-woof> Units = cylinders of 15624 * 512 = 7999488 bytes
[19:10] <mr-woof> Disk identifier: 0xb0bcd68e
[19:10] <mr-woof> This doesn't look like a partition table
[19:10] <charlie-tca> mr-woof: !pastebin
[19:10] <mr-woof> Probably you selected the wrong device.
[19:10] <mr-woof>   Device Boot      Start         End      Blocks   Id  System
[19:11] <mr-woof> /dev/sdc1   ?      206309      222098   123339962   78  Unknown
[19:11] <mr-woof> Partition 1 has different physical/logical beginnings (non-Linux?):
[19:11] <mr-woof>     phys=(518, 102, 15) logical=(206308, 170, 50)
[19:11] <charlie-tca> !pastebin | mr-woof
[19:11] <mr-woof> Partition 1 has different physical/logical endings:
[19:11] <mr-woof>     phys=(743, 0, 62) logical=(222097, 51, 15)
[19:11] <mr-woof> Partition 1 does not end on cylinder boundary.
[19:11] <mr-woof> /dev/sdc2   ?       27706       77353   387841909+  10  OPUS
[19:11] <mr-woof> Partition 2 has different physical/logical beginnings (non-Linux?):
[19:11] <mr-woof>     phys=(205, 7, 0) logical=(27705, 132, 14)
[19:11] <SiDi> ouch
[19:11] <mr-woof> Partition 2 has different physical/logical endings:
[19:11] <mr-woof>     phys=(920, 235, 50) logical=(77352, 117, 34)
[19:11] <mr-woof> Partition 2 does not end on cylinder boundary.
[19:11] <mr-woof> /dev/sdc3   ?      119660      242499   959615034   8b  Unknown
[19:11] <mr-woof> Partition 3 has different physical/logical beginnings (non-Linux?):
[19:11] <mr-woof>     phys=(260, 125, 54) logical=(119659, 166, 56)
[19:11] <mr-woof> Partition 3 has different physical/logical endings:
[19:11] <mr-woof>     phys=(893, 46, 60) logical=(242498,
[19:11] <mr-woof> Partition 3 does not end on cylinder boundary.
[19:11] <mr-woof> /dev/sdc4   ?      211004      211537     4161544+   a  OS/2 Boot Manager
[19:11] <mr-woof> Partition 4 has different physical/logical beginnings (non-Linux?):
[19:11] <mr-woof>     phys=(269, 111, 50) logical=(211003, 194, 45)
[19:11] <mr-woof> Partition 4 has different physical/logical endings:
[19:11] <SiDi> i hope you'll be sorry for that :|
[19:11] <mr-woof>     phys=(0, 0, 0) logical=(211536, 122, 5)
[19:11] <mr-woof> Partition 4 does not end on cylinder boundary.
[19:11] <mr-woof> Partition table entries are not in disk order
[19:11] <mr-woof> Disk /dev/sdd: 3965 MB, 3965190144 bytes
[19:11] <mr-woof> 255 heads, 63 sectors/track, 482 cylinders
[19:11] <mr-woof> Units = cylinders of 16065 * 512 = 8225280 bytes
[19:12] <mr-woof> Disk identifier: 0x000dcb5b
[19:12] <mr-woof>   Device Boot      Start         End      Blocks   Id  System
[19:12] <mr-woof> /dev/sdd1               1         454     3646723+  83  Linux
[19:12] <mr-woof> /dev/sdd2             455         482      224910    5  Extended
[19:12] <mr-woof> /dev/sdd5             455         482      224878+  82  Linux swap / Solaris
[19:12] <mr-woof> ubuntu@ubuntu:~$
[19:12] <mr-woof> oops sorry guys
[19:12] <mr-woof> it looks like a right mess
[19:12] <SiDi> it does
[19:12] <SiDi> !paste
[19:12] <charlie-tca> !pastebin | mr-woof
[19:13] <mr-woof> sorry guysa
[19:13] <mr-woof> guys
[19:13] <mr-woof> http://paste.ubuntu.com/175098/
[19:14] <SiDi> OS/2 boot manager
[19:14] <SiDi> interesting :o
[19:15] <SiDi> how can manufacturers dare sell computers with so messed partitions ?
[19:15] <mr-woof> The netbook has Xandros installed, I was hoping that if i installed xubuntu on an sd card i would be able to choose the sd card to boot
[19:16] <mr-woof> This is the first time i've messed about with any partitions/installs etc on the netbook
[19:16] <SiDi> you need to tell xandros' bootloader the location of xubuntu
[19:16] <mr-woof> any ideas on how i go about that sidi?
[19:16] <SiDi> unless you installed grub with xubuntu (if you dont disable the grub installation then yes)
[19:16] <SiDi> at the moment when you boot, you fall on grub ?
[19:16] <SiDi> and it gives error 21 immediately, or when trying to boot a certain OS ?
[19:16] <mr-woof> yep get error 21
[19:17] <mr-woof> immediately
[19:17] <SiDi> also, why do you have 4 HDDs ? did you leave the usb card plugged ?
[19:17] <mr-woof> The netbook has two hd's 4gb and 16gb, the other two must be the usb stick and the sd card
[19:17] <mr-woof> 8gb and 4gb
[19:17] <SiDi> ok, i see
[19:18] <mr-woof> when i look on to the xandros filesystem, I dont see any grub/menu.lst. It just used to boot straight into xandros
[19:18] <SiDi> the second disk only contains data, right ?
[19:18] <SiDi> what is there in the /boot part of your xandros ?
[19:19] <SiDi> mount /dev/sda1 and tell us whats there please
[19:19] <mr-woof> yeah i'm sure the bigger disk is only for data
[19:19] <SiDi> okey
[19:19] <SiDi> what do you see in /dev/sda1 ?
[19:20] <SiDi> oh also, what did the xandros boot menu look like ? like a grub or like a windows bootloader ? :P
[19:20] <mr-woof> what's the easist way to mount it?
[19:20] <mr-woof> As i said xandros went straight into loading without anyone loader
[19:21] <SiDi> sudo mkdir /media/sda1 && sudo mount /dev/sda1 /media/sda1
[19:23] <mr-woof> aha
[19:24] <mr-woof> got a xandros grub style menu
[19:25] <SiDi> in /media/sda1/boot/grub/ ? :p
[19:26] <mr-woof> yep, I'll mailed it over. I'll pop it in the pastebin this time lol
[19:28] <mr-woof> Has the Xubuntu install has overwritten the xandros loader? If yes, how can i tell it to that one again?
[19:30] <SiDi> possibly, yes
[19:30] <SiDi> !grub reinstall
[19:30] <SiDi> !grub
[19:30] <SiDi> RestoreGrub
[19:30] <SiDi> this should help
[19:31] <mr-woof> have a look at this
[19:31] <mr-woof> http://paste.ubuntu.com/175107/
[19:32] <SiDi> the best would have been not to install grub when installing xubuntu
[19:32] <SiDi> and just modify this menu.lst to add the xubuntu's partition :/
[19:32] <SiDi> do you have a xandros livecd from which you could restore grub ? is it shipped with the EEE ?
[19:33] <mr-woof> not sure, but the netbook doesnt have a cd drive lol
[19:34] <makuchaku> Morning folks... Can I install Xubuntu-desktop 9.04 on an Ubuntu 8.10 distro?
[19:35] <SiDi> makuchaku: first, you should upgrade it to 9.04, and then install the package "xubuntu-desktop"
[19:35] <SiDi> then you'll be able to switch between GNOME and XFCE at the login screen (with the session button)
[19:35] <SiDi> mr-woof: ah :/
[19:35] <makuchaku> SiDi: no other way possible? I really just need a light weight desktop - but don't really want to mess up my dev setup.. :)
[19:36] <mr-woof> exactly
[19:36] <charlie-tca> makuchaku: the only other way is to use a virtual machine.
[19:36] <makuchaku> charlie-tca: :)
[19:36] <makuchaku> got it...
[19:36] <makuchaku> SiDi, charlie-tca - thanks :)
[19:36] <mr-woof> Thanks for the help though sidi
[19:36] <charlie-tca> Xubuntu, Kubuntu, and Ubuntu all use the same core applications, so if the base is 8.10...
[19:36] <SiDi> you're welcome
[19:37] <SiDi> mr-woof: i'm looking for eeepc / netbook channels
[19:37] <mr-woof> thanks
[19:37] <mr-woof> If i can just get xandros to use that bootloader, i think we'll be ok
[19:37] <SiDi> pff, my client doesnt support channel lists x_x
[19:38] <SiDi> mr-woof: come in #eeepc
[19:38] <SiDi> and tell them about their problem. they should be more aware of netbook installs
[19:38] <SiDi> about your problem *
[19:38] <mr-woof> thanks for the help
[19:38] <mr-woof> i'll go and hassle them now lol
[19:40] <SiDi> mr-woof: dont be shy, ask there :)
[19:40] <SiDi> i joined too so if they say #xubuntu i'll shout at them :p
[19:42] <mr-woof> lol
[20:01] <cemunal> why doesn't wicd-client work? » http://paste.linux-sevenler.org/index.php?id=32155
[20:33] <charlie-tca> -123.72
[20:40] <yeason> does anybody know what would make a machine with a fairly fresh (less than a month old) copy of xubuntu on it randomly freeze. Everything looks ok but if you try to run any programs they wont start up, ctrl+alt+F2 gives a login prompt but after asking for u/n + pass it doesn't do anything, no prompt or anything
[20:58] <schambers> how can i tell if im running 32bit or 64bit installation of xubuntu?
[20:58] <charlie-tca> uname -r
[20:58] <charlie-tca> x86_64 is 64 bit
[20:59] <schambers> hmm
[20:59] <schambers> schambers@xubuntu-laptop:~$ uname -r
[20:59] <schambers> 2.6.28-11-generic
[20:59] <schambers> ah
[20:59] <schambers> uname -a
[20:59] <charlie-tca> oops, uname -a
[20:59] <schambers> Linux xubuntu-laptop 2.6.28-11-generic #42-Ubuntu SMP Fri Apr 17 01:58:03 UTC 2009 x86_64 GNU/Linux
[20:59] <schambers> thanks
[20:59] <schambers> im having problems with sound on lenovo w500
[20:59] <charlie-tca> no problem
[20:59] <charlie-tca> looks like 64 bit
[21:00] <schambers> the drivers are there, i get the mixer controls
[21:00] <schambers> but no sound
[21:00] <charlie-tca> got a volume control in the top panel?
[21:00] <schambers> yeah
[21:00] <schambers> clicking that opens the volume controls
[21:00] <schambers> everything is unmuted
[21:00] <schambers> volume up
[21:00] <schambers> but no sound
[21:01] <charlie-tca> There is a place that can help: #ubuntu-audio-help
[21:01] <schambers> ah
[21:01] <schambers> thank you again :)
[21:01] <charlie-tca> It is where the sound guys hang out
[21:01] <charlie-tca> You are welcome
[21:07] <Mr-Woof> lo all
[21:09] <Mr-Woof> is it possible to install Xubuntu 8.10 without installing Grub?
[21:11] <SiDi> with lilo :P
[21:12] <Mr-Woof> g'day sidi
[21:12] <knome> Mr-Woof, why don't you want grub?
[21:12] <Mr-Woof> I had a look at the eeepc manual, you get a utility on the disk to create a xandros usb stick and wipe the system.
[21:13] <Mr-Woof> So it's wiped and working now
[21:13] <cemunal> i can't apply oxygen-cursor-theme fully
[21:13] <cemunal> in some where different
[21:13] <cemunal> how can i fix?
[21:14] <Mr-Woof> I installed xubuntu tonight on a sd card and i kept getting grub error 21, i'm wondering if it's possible to install it so i can choose the sd card in the boot menu
[21:14] <SiDi> Mr-Woof: you can install it without installing grub
[21:14] <charlie-tca> cemunal: did you put it in /usr/share/themes ?
[21:14] <SiDi> its an option in the last part of the installer (theres an advanced button)
[21:14] <SiDi> and then, you modify the /boot/grub/menu.lst from your working xandros
[21:14] <knome> Mr-Woof, that would mean you would have to have the sd card reader drivers loaded
[21:14] <SiDi> and add there whats needed to boot xubuntu
[21:14] <cemunal> charlie-tca, it is a package in ubuntu
[21:15] <cemunal> i installed it
[21:15] <charlie-tca> so what exactly is not working?
[21:16] <Mr-Woof> Hmm, are the card readers drivers in the software repository?
[21:17] <cemunal> charlie-tca, when i go around the panel; it looks like default cursor theme
[21:17] <charlie-tca> That's only because the panels in xubuntu are not themable
[21:18] <charlie-tca> So is that a cursor theme?
[21:18] <charlie-tca> If it is, you have to log out and log in to make it work
[21:19] <cemunal> charlie-tca, how can i make system default a cursor theme?
[21:21] <charlie-tca> I am not sure what you are trying to do. You can change cursors in Applications -> Settings -> Mouse; Theme tab
[21:21] <cemunal> charlie-tca, thanks
[21:33] <schambers> how can i get 64bit flash player working with firefox and xubuntu?
[21:34] <schambers> i copied libflashplayer.so to mozilla/firefox plugins folders
[21:37] <charlie-tca> that would probably be the wrong way. All I did is install icedtea
[21:37] <charlie-tca> I think
[21:37] <SiDi> schambers: remove it, and install flashplugin-installer or flashplugin-nonfree
[21:37] <SiDi> but not both
[21:38]  * charlie-tca hides now
[21:38] <schambers> whats the difference between the two?
[22:12] <cemunal> we can change the default cursor theme with: update-alternatives --config x-cursor-theme
[22:13] <charlie-tca> and why can't we change them with mouse settings?
[22:13] <charlie-tca> That is what I used
[22:52] <SiDi> charlie-tca: this bug saddens me : https://mail.google.com/mail/?ui=2&view=bsp&ver=1qygpcgurkovy
[22:52] <SiDi> damn
[22:52] <SiDi> wrong uri
[22:52]  * SiDi needs rest
[22:52] <SiDi> bug 351293
[22:52] <SiDi> ubottu: ping, i posted a bug number
[22:52] <SiDi> i noticed, you damn bot
[22:52] <SiDi> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xfce4-session/+bug/351293
[22:53]  * charlie-tca kicks the bot
[22:53] <charlie-tca> lol
[22:53] <SiDi> it sounds like its a bug in the xinitrc
[22:53] <charlie-tca> I don't even like looking at it. I did triage it, but it sure isn't getting fixed fast!
[22:54] <charlie-tca> It seems like xfce4-session is not starting right
[22:54] <SiDi> the file gets badly parsed apparently cause of the absence of source command, which results in session not started
[22:54] <SiDi> but im not source its that :/
[22:54] <charlie-tca> They can add terminal, panels, etc. Why aren't they starting?
[22:54] <SiDi> quite hard to debug stuff when you dont understand them :(
[22:54] <SiDi> the init file that boots the session is interrupted
[22:55] <SiDi> apparently around like 38 there is a source $XDG_blabla that fails
[22:55] <SiDi> i dont even know what source does
[22:56] <SiDi> and since there is that failure, rest of the session isnt booted
[22:58] <charlie-tca> I don't understand enough to know that much
[22:58] <SiDi> im gonna try to reproduce
[22:58] <SiDi> but not now cause im working :p
[22:59] <SiDi> i added the line that seems to *** it up in my xinitrc
[23:00] <charlie-tca> Why wasn't it there already? It should be in there by default, I would think. Or is it being added by the user in an app they install?
[23:01] <SiDi> no
[23:01] <SiDi> i'm not sure
[23:01] <SiDi> i think its modified afterfirst startup
[23:01] <SiDi> but its there by default apparently
[23:01] <SiDi> we'd need to make a clean install and grab the file from the fresh session
[23:01] <SiDi> ah i really dont understand why their file is different
[23:02] <SiDi> it happens on their PCs, too, not related to a particular ISO
[23:02] <SiDi> so something during the install would set this xinitrc instead of another ?
[23:02] <SiDi> see, charlie-tca, we're both even more lost now
[23:03] <charlie-tca> Where does xinitrc come from?
[23:06] <SiDi> an user reported a very interesting post right now
[23:06] <SiDi> xinitrc is generated
[23:06] <SiDi> apparently if he forbids updates of his mesa drivers
[23:06] <SiDi> the bug doesnt appear
[23:06] <SiDi> so the bug would be in mesa drivers' modifications to xinitrc
[23:07] <charlie-tca> Yes, but blanket removal could cause other problems. Need to know what exactly is affected by mesa drivers
[23:08] <SiDi> apparently they replace a "." by a "source"
[23:08] <SiDi> and the source call fails
[23:08] <SiDi> trying to find the guys on irc
[23:09] <charlie-tca> Shouldn't those cause problems for everybody?
[23:10] <SiDi> ok, source and . are two ways of doing the same thing in bash
[23:10] <SiDi> so theyw rite it differently but actually it has nothing to do with our problem XD XD
[23:10] <SiDi> damn
[23:24] <ElectricHeavyLan> I have a sound card, the lspci gives me a: 'IXP SB4x0 High Definition Audio Controller by ATI Technologies' The aplay -l gives me: 'card 0: SB [HDA ATI SB], device 0: STAC92xx Analog [STAC92xx Analog]' I am running Xubuntu 8.10 and would like to install the updates but not sure if it'll 'break' my sound card. Anyone know if it will? It works fine without the updates.
[23:25] <ElectricHeavyLan> I am sticking with 8.10, not upgrading the distro, just installing some updates.
[23:29] <SiDi> yummie, an HDA
[23:29] <SiDi> updates should be ok
[23:30] <SiDi> ElectricHeavyLan: your card is the second most common kind of HDA by the way
[23:30] <SiDi> apart from the Realtek/intel/ALC chipset, there's the STAC92xx one
[23:30] <SiDi> and they're quite well supported
[23:31] <SiDi> check this too : https://help.ubuntu.com/community/HdaIntelSoundHowto
[23:31] <SiDi> it speaks of hda intel but the same applies for stac chipsets
[23:34] <ElectricHeavyLan> SiDi: Thanks, it works so I hate to screw with it but I'd like to have the option to update. Thanks for the link as well.
[23:37] <SiDi> its not risky ElectricHeavyLan
[23:38] <SiDi> the only thing to do is to setup your chipset model as explained above, so your chipset is better recognise
[23:38] <SiDi> +d
[23:38] <SiDi> but this will never be changed unless you compile alsa from source or do an upgrade to a kernel which doesnt recognise your sound card