/srv/irclogs.ubuntu.com/2009/05/19/#kubuntu-devel.txt

ScottKJontheEchidna: -runtime uploaded.00:20
jjessegood eening trying to do the update from the kubuntu.org website and getting a lot of failed to install or upgrade kdebase-runtime and kdebase-workspace-dev00:40
JontheEchidnayeah, I'm working on 'em...00:40
JontheEchidnathe runtime one was pushed to bzr but I forgot to do a PPA upload00:40
JontheEchidnaonce the new runtime builds it should be fine00:40
JontheEchidnaI would be interested in a log for the -workspace ones00:41
jjessehttp://pastebin.ubuntu.com/175276/ is what i'm getting00:41
JontheEchidnathanks00:42
JontheEchidnaok, the runtime fix is building and I'll upload the fix for -workspace shortly00:43
jjesseok cool i'll upgrade later then :)00:46
JontheEchidna...and new kdebase-workspace uploaded, with hopefully the last of the conflicts01:04
harolddonggwenview is totally tweaked in the beta.  it opens fine but if I click anything it crashes01:11
voriancmake error01:12
JontheEchidnashit, here we go again: bug 37733301:15
ubottuLaunchpad bug 377333 in kdeadmin "KDE Printer Configuration applet is broken" [Undecided,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/37733301:15
JontheEchidnathat dbus.mainloop.qt crash01:15
JontheEchidnain karmic now01:16
ScottKJontheEchidna: We got some complaints about Dolphin not running/starting very slowly and Konqueror not being able to browse files.01:30
ScottKJontheEchidna: I'm thinking we ought to ship the two lib*private.so files.  Any reason not to?01:31
JontheEchidnadunno01:32
* ScottK thinks unless we have a good reason not to we ought to ship stuff.01:32
JontheEchidnaapparently we're doing it because debian is01:33
JontheEchidnathough konsole's private lib was not added during the merge01:33
JontheEchidnaand is new in KDE 4.301:33
ScottKAre the dolphin/konqueror ones new?01:34
ScottKJontheEchidna: ^^01:35
JontheEchidnaThey were present in KDE 4.201:35
JontheEchidnaand were in our kdebase-dev package before we abolished it in the merge01:36
JontheEchidna(I'm reporting this as I investigate)01:37
ScottKWell it they were in -dev, that's not it.01:43
ScottKHmmm01:43
ScottKJontheEchidna: Any reason I shouldn't upload your kdebase stuff as is then?01:54
JontheEchidnaScottK: not that I can think of01:58
ScottKJontheEchidna: Done01:59
ScottKJontheEchidna: That leave pim and did you say -workspace?02:00
JontheEchidnayeah, those are the two02:00
JontheEchidnaruntime now has some final fixes, unless I forgot to push02:01
JontheEchidnaok, runtime's all good02:01
ScottKOK.02:01
ScottKOK.  pim done.02:26
ScottKJontheEchidna: Nothing in bzr for runtime i didn't already upload, so I think I'm done being your upload bitch for now.02:28
JontheEchidnaoh, maybe you did upload that already. I'm starting to lose track of it all...02:29
JontheEchidnaI hope we merge sooner next time...02:29
JontheEchidnathis exercise was good for my upload count, but otherwise not so much fun02:30
ScottKIf Ubuntu HoF was working I'm pretty sure I'd be top of the pile for sponsoring.02:32
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voriandude03:49
vorianwhat's up with kdebase03:49
ScottKWHich one?03:51
ScottKvorian: ^^03:51
voriandpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/kdebase-data_4%3a4.2.85-0ubuntu3_all.deb (--unpack):03:52
vorian trying to overwrite `/usr/share/kde4/apps/keditbookmarks/keditbookmarks-genui.rc', which is also in package konqueror03:52
voriandpkg-deb: subprocess paste killed by signal (Broken pipe)03:52
voriandpkg: regarding .../kdebase-runtime-data_4%3a4.2.85-0ubuntu4_all.deb containing kdebase-runtime-data:03:52
vorian kdebase-runtime-data conflicts with kdebase-data (<< 4:4.2.85)03:52
vorian  kdebase-data (version 4:4.2.2-0ubuntu4) is present and installed.03:52
voriandpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/kdebase-runtime-data_4%3a4.2.85-0ubuntu4_all.deb (--unpack):03:52
vorian conflicting packages - not installing kdebase-runtime-data03:52
vorianErrors were encountered while processing:03:52
vorian /var/cache/apt/archives/kdebase-data_4%3a4.2.85-0ubuntu3_all.deb03:52
vorian /var/cache/apt/archives/kdebase-runtime-data_4%3a4.2.85-0ubuntu4_all.deb03:52
vorianE: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)03:52
vorianerm, batpaste03:52
vorianeek03:52
ScottKThe answer is you found some more conflicts ....03:53
ScottKJohnTheEchnida has been diligent about rooting them out, but clearly missed a few.03:53
ScottKA bunch of stuff moved around when we merged with Debian.03:54
vorianhttp://paste.ubuntu.com/175347/03:54
voriantisk tisk tisk03:54
vorianshould have waited to do a merge03:54
* vorian remembers saying something along those lines03:54
ScottKvorian: I don't have a lot of time to work through it, but if you can clean this up a bit in bzr, I can upload it later.03:54
vorianokie dokie03:55
ScottKThanks.03:55
ScottKI think it'd have been harder later, but water under the bridge.03:55
ScottKBack in a bit.03:55
vorianmy head is going to explode04:19
vorianthis is all flippin mixed up04:20
ScottKI'm just JontheEchidna's upload bitch.  Talk to him ....04:33
vorian:o04:33
rgreeninghey all04:41
rgreeninghey upload bitch :)04:41
rgreeninglol04:42
vorianhehe04:44
vorianrgreening: how did you weasel out a uds invite you lucky dog?04:44
rgreeningsomeone needs to talke care of Riddell and ensure he doesn't spend too much time in the hot tub :)04:45
rgreeningI got picked :)04:45
vorianmwahaha04:45
rgreeninglol04:45
vishalraoall you fine dev folks dont forget to smile for the cameras, us users will be watching the uds youtube vids :)04:52
ScottKI haven't decided for sure if I'm going to sign the waiver to let myself be videoed.04:56
ScottKrgreening: Was it a big deal last time if one didn't?04:57
rgreeningScottK: no.04:57
ScottKThanks04:57
rgreening:)04:57
rgreeningin the romms, there were spots to sit outside the perview of the camera04:58
vishalraowe can still hear you then? mwahaha04:58
rgreeningonly if he speaks...04:58
rgreeningbut in scotts case, Im not expecting silence :) haha04:59
ScottKDon't worry.   The only way to get me not to talk in a meeting is not to invite me.04:59
rgreeninghehe04:59
rgreeningJontheEchidna: does your weather thing work in 4.3 beta?05:02
jussi01Hrm, lots of weirdness in 4.3 beta (jaunty). no wallpapapers, panel is all messed up, have I done someting wrong06:40
jussi01?06:40
ScottKYou've installed a beta?06:43
jussi01which is the debugging package I need to report useful bug with plasma?06:43
* jussi01 hugs ScottK06:43
jussi01ScottK: I guess, as with most things in the morning it got worded wrong. (its a8.45, I havent woken up properly yet) I was more attempting to ask if anyone else has experienced such issues, and if so, have they reported a bug?06:46
* ScottK is still on 4.2.206:47
jussi01ScottK: do you have an answer for my other question? (re: plasma)06:47
ScottKNo, it's very late here and I'm not very coherent06:48
jussi01ScottK: ok. :)  sleep well then06:48
tsimpsonjussi01: kdebase-workspace-dbg07:12
woodbjHello all, just a question has everything finished being uploaded for KDE 4.3 because when i install kubuntu-desktop from ubuntu 9.10 i can log into KDE but the plasmiods don't work (i can't use launcher to get programs or anything)07:15
nixternalwoodbj: nope07:16
nixternallots has been uploaded, but the build servers are harmered as well07:16
woodbjso how much longer do you think the kde 4.3 desktop will be up and running07:17
nixternalno idea07:17
nixternalprobably the next few days...we found more bugs today that need to get taken care of warrant some rebuilding as well07:17
woodbjok thanks for the hard work07:18
jussi01thanks tsimpson07:19
jussi01JontheEchidna: or whoever is interested in kde4.3 stuff: http://paste.ubuntu.com/175428/07:22
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Mamarokfolks, could we please put a "for experienced users only" in the 4.3 beta announcement?09:50
MamarokI'm sick of noobs who rush into it and then break their system09:50
Tm_TMamarok: there isn't that?10:06
MamarokTm_T: guess...10:06
Tm_Tthere isn't, hrrrrrr10:07
Mamarokwe should really do announcements with the user in mind...10:07
Mamarokand most users are just noobs10:07
sebasMamarok: committed :)10:35
Nightrosebut yea - good idea nontheless10:57
Nightrosesebas: she was talking about the announcement on kubuntu.org i think10:57
sebasAh, context ... :)10:58
Nightrosehehe10:58
Tm_T:---P10:58
sebasIt's actually the secon time I write "aah ... context" in the last few minutes10:59
* Nightrose hands sebas some instant context - add water when needed :D11:00
* sebas throws it in his morning pina colada and stirs ... eeerh shakes11:05
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Nightrosehmmmm morning pina colada...11:07
Nightrose*drool*11:07
MamarokNightrose: at that time of the day?11:08
Nightrosehmm ok - little late for a morning pina colada11:08
Nightrosetrue11:08
* Nightrose would like one anyway11:08
MamarokI actually understood that you were drinking ...11:09
sebasIt's never too late for a morning PC11:09
* Sput prefers a morning bloody mary11:10
Sputthat sweet stuff doesn't taste :)11:11
tsimpson*grumble* why are there 5990 builds waiting for i386 in PPAs...11:11
MamarokSput: agreed, that's more my style too :)11:12
Mamarokbut then, a Swimmingpool...11:12
Sputmeh, max one, and after that I need beer or something spicy11:12
Mamarokmgraesslin: forget about that xenoterracide chap, he is a real pain...11:27
mgraesslinMamarok: yeah I just decided that for myself, too :-)11:29
mgraesslinI'm really sick of people blaming kwin for the intel problems11:30
JontheEchidna*yawn*13:20
jjesseJontheEchidna: still having problems with the update on kdebase-runtime-data and kdebase-workspace-dev13:26
JontheEchidnareally? that's weird13:27
jjesseJontheEchidna: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/175616/13:27
jjessehrmm wife is ready for break fast so i'll read scroll13:28
JontheEchidnaok  -dev one is new, I think.13:28
vorianJontheEchidna: http://paste.ubuntu.com/175347/13:31
JontheEchidnaI don't get the kdebase-runtime-data one :(13:33
JontheEchidnathat oxygen.themerc file is not in kde-icons-oxygen13:34
JontheEchidnaand kdebase-runtime-data should  properly replace the last version that did13:34
ScottKtsimpson: Test rebuild of the archive.  They're all scored with a low priority so they only go when there's no regular uploads waiting.13:34
ScottKqt4-x11 is two hours past where it died last time on armel, so we may be in business.13:36
JontheEchidnaSo, if peeps gonna be pelting me with pastebin links, I might as well pelt back: http://imagebin.ca/view/CDOg2_4q.html13:44
* rgreening is sooo tired13:44
rgreeningJontheEchidna: how do yo umake the plasma weather thingy work... I get only a blank blue screen13:45
rgreeningno weather here...13:45
rgreeninglol13:45
* ScottK was about to say nice weather there.13:46
rgreeningheh13:46
JontheEchidnargreening: are you using the NOAA weather service?13:46
JontheEchidnathe wallpaper has this thing where it won't work with the NOAA13:46
JontheEchidnabecause the weather dataengine won't return an icon name for the weather since it'd have to write cases for the 200 different weather condition strings that the NOAA returns13:47
rgreeningJontheEchidna: I open Desktop Settings and config Wallpaper to Weather. Select Env Canada, and St. John's...13:47
JontheEchidnaoh, env canada13:47
JontheEchidnaI've not tried that yet, I don't think13:47
* ScottK wonders what the color for 'cold' is for the wallpaper13:47
rgreeninghmm... nevermind. seems to have worked this morning...13:48
rgreeningstrange.13:48
rgreeningyesterday it was solid blue.13:48
rgreeningJontheEchidna: do you have pics for all weather?13:48
JontheEchidnaas much weather as the weather dataengine gives us, yes.13:49
rgreeningmaybe it was missing one and defaulted to no pic ( and used my dfefault background color)13:49
JontheEchidnaif it gets weather-none-available or can't connect to the internet it falls back to the default wallpaper13:49
rgreeningand default wound be no paper is wall[paper was enabled, no?13:50
JontheEchidnanope13:50
rgreeningwallpaper weather I mean13:50
JontheEchidnaI mean, it sets the image and the image for the default wallpaper13:50
JontheEchidnas/and/as13:50
rgreeninghmm... and if it never ran successfully once, then no wallpaper.13:51
rgreeninghence my blue screen I suspect.13:51
JontheEchidnamaybe13:51
rgreeningmaybe we need a default pic for no weather...13:52
rgreening:P13:52
rgreeninglike the color bars when a channel is off air.. hahahha13:52
ScottKrgreening: He's not old enough to know what that is.13:52
rgreeninglol13:53
JontheEchidnaI've seen those13:53
ScottK ... in movies13:53
rgreeningbeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee..... eeeee...... This is a test of the emergency broadcast system.13:53
JontheEchidnano, on PBS at like 5 am in the morning before anything was on13:53
JontheEchidna10 years ago13:53
JontheEchidnaor maybe it wasn't PBS, but one of the channels near it13:54
rgreeningJontheEchidna: anyway, the weather app is tres cool (now that it works 4 me)13:54
JontheEchidnathe ones with all the ads near the end of the channels our antenna would receive13:54
vorianI remember when fox went to a network broadcast13:54
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vorianwe had to get a round antenna13:54
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rgreeningJontheEchidna: is there a way to reconf the wallpapers?13:56
rgreeningjust curious.,.,.13:56
JontheEchidnalike, change the wallpaper for a certain weather condition?13:57
rgreeningsure13:57
JontheEchidnanope, can't do that at the moment :(13:57
JontheEchidnaI ran in to some techincal problems when the wallpaper got ported over to libplasmaweather13:58
JontheEchidnalibplasmaweather provided a qwidget for the configuration interface, and I don't know how to properly add a pushbutton for the advanced dialog to the configwidget's layout13:58
JontheEchidnaotherwise most of the advanced config code is there13:59
rgreeningah13:59
JontheEchidnahttp://websvn.kde.org/trunk/KDE/kdeplasma-addons/wallpapers/weather/weatherwallpaper.cpp?revision=954189&view=markup14:01
JontheEchidnacreateConfigurationInterace() is where the magic would happen, if I knew how to add a pushbutton to the layout14:02
rgreeningJontheEchidna: I'll take a peek...14:10
rgreeningwho knows... :)14:10
rgreeningJontheEchidna: is there an easy way to build just that applet outside workspace?14:18
JontheEchidnayeah, just a sec14:19
JontheEchidnaor maybe not anymore14:19
JontheEchidnaunless libplasmaweather has development headers14:20
rgreeningJontheEchidna: which package is the weather thing in?14:20
JontheEchidnakdeplasma-addons14:21
rgreeningk14:21
JontheEchidnathe wallpaper is too, so that makes it easier14:21
JontheEchidnahttp://paste.ubuntu.com/175643/ <- you'd add this to get an out-of-souce build, but I don't know if it'll build out of source anymore14:21
JontheEchidna(to cmakelists.txt)14:21
rgreeningkk14:21
eagles0513875anything you guys need me to work on14:26
rgreeningJontheEchidna: whats the applet called in kdeplasma-addons14:27
JontheEchidnait's in wallpapers/weather/14:28
JontheEchidnargreening: ^14:28
rgreeningah14:28
rgreeningthats why I couldnt find it14:28
rgreeninglol14:28
eagles0513875JontheEchidna: anything i can work on14:28
JontheEchidnanot that I can think of14:29
eagles0513875ok would upstream but i cant seeing as im on karmic14:29
eagles0513875JontheEchidna: should i file a bug but not sure against what in regards to kde programs like konqueror and kopete etc their bug reporting program reports them directly upstream14:32
jussi01JontheEchidna: ping14:41
tsimpsonScottK: yeah, I realised a few seconds after I said that14:41
JontheEchidnajussi01: pong14:41
jussi01JontheEchidna: just curious, Im getting crashes with gwenview, have you experienced that? http://paste.ubuntu.com/175667/14:42
* JontheEchidna isn't a regular user of gwenview, tbh14:42
JontheEchidnalooking at the log, it could be an isue with the new folder view feature14:44
JontheEchidnanot to be confused with plasma's folderview14:44
jussi01JontheEchidna: just amissing dep? or some actual issue?14:45
JontheEchidnaprobably an actual issue14:45
JontheEchidnaI can't think of any dep that would be missing14:45
rgreeningJontheEchidna: http://paste.ubuntu.com/175677/14:54
rgreeningI haven't tested yet... but in theory...14:54
JontheEchidnaout of curiosity, any reason for a plasma pushbutton inside a normal config dialog?14:56
rgreeningoops.. copy/paste error14:56
rgreeningshould be regular KPushbutton14:56
rgreeningand it'll need to include the header KPushutton...14:59
* JontheEchidna tests15:00
rgreeningJontheEchidna: more like this... http://paste.ubuntu.com/175683/15:00
JontheEchidnathe part that takes a while :(15:00
rgreeningheh15:01
JontheEchidnathe best attempt I had got a window to appear for a split second whent he config dialog was open15:02
rgreeninglol15:02
JontheEchidnasubclassing things isn't my strong suit15:03
rgreeningJontheEchidna: no guarantees what I have will a) compile b) do what we want. :)15:11
rgreeningbut in theory...15:11
NightroseJontheEchidna: who besied you can I poke into having a look at the Amarok crash? we _really_ need beta 2 packages for kubuntu to get testing15:14
NightroseI want to release 2.1 final next but without more testing I can't do that15:14
JontheEchidnaumm15:14
Nightrosesorry for being such a pita about it :/15:15
JontheEchidnadon't worry, I understand where you're coming from... not having packages for this long is not good15:15
JontheEchidnahmm15:15
eagles0513875Nightrose: let me know if you need a tester15:15
JontheEchidnaeverybody's away at UDS, aren't they...15:16
Nightroseeagles0513875: heh i need packagers first :D15:16
Nightrosethen testers15:16
NightroseJontheEchidna: yea - looks like it15:16
txwikinger_workJontheEchidna: UDS is cancelled because of swineflu ;)15:16
eagles0513875Nightrose: does it need to be packaged still15:16
Nightroseyes15:16
Nightrosewell or rather one nasty bug fixed so the packages are usable15:17
eagles0513875Nightrose: mind if i pm ya15:17
* Nightrose would rather speak here quickly as I have to go back to programming really soon15:17
eagles0513875ill be willing to repackage with mentorship15:17
JontheEchidnaNightrose: I think I might be able to take another look later today15:18
JontheEchidnait's just that I've been really, really busy lately :(15:18
seeleUDS is next week i thought15:18
NightroseJontheEchidna: ok thanks15:18
Nightroseyea I know - we all are ;-)15:18
Nightroseseele: canonical all hands is now iirc15:18
Nightroseand uds next week15:19
JontheEchidnaoh, that's what I'm thinking of15:19
JontheEchidnaRiddell left the country so I assumed that either a) he's running from the law or b) going to UDS15:19
seeleNightrose: right, but that's just Riddell and agateau for us15:19
Nightroserofl JontheEchidna15:19
Nightroseseele: *nod*15:19
JontheEchidnatxwikinger_work: http://doihaveswineflu.org15:20
JontheEchidnabbl15:20
* Nightrose goes back to trying to understand VTK15:20
txwikinger_workJontheEchidna: ROFL15:21
txwikinger_workJontheEchidna: Or he is running for Speaker15:21
rgreeningJontheEchidna: I'll figure out the kdeplasma-addons thing. It's building here. If it works, I'll ask to get it uploaded. If it doesn't I'll debug. You go on and do the Amarok thingy :)15:22
eagles0513875is there any place special to report any testing done on the network manager plasma widget in currently in karmic15:23
rgreeningJontheEchidna: any idea why patches/kubuntu_01_qt_phonon.diff was disabled in kdeplasma-addons?15:29
rgreeningI think it is required (at least in my pbuilder bball fails without the patch).15:32
JontheEchidnargreening: it doesn't look disabled in bzr15:41
JontheEchidnait doesn't work in jaunty, so I disabled it there15:41
JontheEchidna(we aren't using Qt phonon in jaunty)15:42
rgreeningJontheEchidna: hmmm... well something is amiss... maybe I am using the wrong pbuildr. though it was jaunty...15:43
neversfeldeis a missing kontact icon a known problem for 4.2.3?15:43
JontheEchidnargreening: my kdeplasma-addons build is almost done anyway15:46
JontheEchidna92%15:47
LeeJunFanlol, wouldn't you know I update to beta 4.3, then for the first time in a month need to use quanta.15:47
JontheEchidnaoh, crap. I forgot to rename that to quanta-kde415:49
JontheEchidna*kdewebdev-kde415:49
JontheEchidnathat means it overwrote everbody's kdewebdev D:15:49
JontheEchidnaoops15:49
rgreeninglol15:49
rgreeningJontheEchidna: yeah, my pbuilder was karmic for some stupid reason...15:50
rgreeningdunno how15:50
JontheEchidnahttp://img269.imageshack.us/img269/3809/podborlk.jpg15:51
JontheEchidnargreening: error: ‘class WeatherConfig’ has no member named ‘mainWidget’15:51
rgreeningyeah... I figured I'd need to tweak that some... let me play with it.15:52
rgreeningJontheEchidna: I have another Idea... give me a few to work it out.15:55
rgreeningJontheEchidna: do you still have the build session open16:05
JontheEchidnargreening: I'm not pbuilding it, so yeah I can test16:07
JontheEchidnajust doing a straight debuild16:07
rgreeningok, maybe replace mainWidget with WeatherConfig... not 100% sure.16:08
JontheEchidnargreening: error: invalid use of ‘class WeatherConfig’16:15
rgreeninghrmm.. remove that altogether16:15
rgreeningmaybe it can be a direct child.16:15
JontheEchidnaI did that and it said I had to be a QLayout16:15
rgreening1 sec.16:16
rgreeningJontheEchidna: weatherCOnfig not WeatherConfig16:19
rgreeningJontheEchidna: weatherConfig not WeatherConfig16:19
rgreeninglowercase w16:19
rgreeningweatherCOnfig is the widget name in the weatherconfig.ui16:19
rgreeningweatherConfig is the widget name in the weatherconfig.ui16:19
JontheEchidnaoops16:20
rgreeningmy fault, I typed it upper to you originally16:21
rgreeningmeant lower16:21
rgreeningJontheEchidna: if that works, then it's just formatting and layout to worry about.16:22
JontheEchidnaerror: ‘class WeatherConfig’ has no member named ‘weatherConfig’16:23
rgreeninghrmmm16:23
JontheEchidnaeagles0513875: please stop upstreaming bugs, I'm hearing that you are annoying upstream16:24
eagles0513875ok16:24
rgreeningJontheEchidna: there probably needs ot be a ui-> in there...16:26
rgreeningJontheEchidna: m_configWidget->ui->weatherConfig()->layout()->addItem(mButtonAdvanced);16:26
rgreeningmaybe16:26
JontheEchidnaheh, you can see the difficulties I was facing16:27
rgreeninglol16:27
JontheEchidnanope16:28
rgreeningyeah, basically you need to utilize the weatherconfig.ui (defined by the ui member var of the WeatherConfig Class and add the button...16:28
JontheEchidnahmm16:28
JontheEchidnaerror: ‘class WeatherConfig’ has no member named ‘ui’16:28
rgreeningso the weatherConfig() is prob wrong too...16:28
rgreeningwtf16:29
rgreeningJontheEchidna: private shiz is annoying16:30
JontheEchidnafo shizzle16:32
rgreeningJontheEchidna: you may be forced to sub class to get around the privatization.16:33
ikoniaScottK: ping when you're free please16:34
rgreeningJontheEchidna: where does the "Configure..." plasma button come from?16:34
JontheEchidnaconfigure plasma button?16:34
rgreeningplasmoidviewer weather16:34
rgreeningsee the button...16:35
JontheEchidnaoh, that's setNeedsConfiguration or something16:35
JontheEchidnait's part of the plasma api16:35
JontheEchidnacan't use it for wallpapes since they're just a pixmap painted to the screen though16:36
JontheEchidnaPlasma::Wallpaper has a similar function for notifying the user that the wallpaper needs configured, but it currently doesn't do anything16:37
JontheEchidnaprobably something for 4.416:38
rgreeningJontheEchidna: I was just thinking, why use weatherAdvanced.ui in the WeatherWallpaper::createConfigurationInterface function and add a button for the Weather config and have it launch the weather config box.16:47
rgreeningso, instead you get to choose wallpapers up front, and then set the weather via a Configure Weather button.16:47
rgreeningJontheEchidna: so basically, I think you reverse the createConfigurationInterface and showAdvancedDialog with some minor tweaks and connecting of correct signals.16:53
txwikinger_workfirefox is totally unusable when you use nfs mount for home17:22
rgreeningJontheEchidna: ok, I have another idea... trying now.17:33
Quintasanhiho17:34
rgreeningReminder: Ad-hoc meeting/discussion - UDS, Ayatana, notify-osd and Kubuntu - 30 minutes from now...18:27
rgreeningseele, vorian, JontheEchidna, nixternal, etc... ^18:32
nixternalroger that18:32
rgreeningFor the meeting, here's a link to my post: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/kubuntu-devel/2009-May/002859.html18:33
rgreeningReminder: Ad-hoc meeting/discussion - UDS, Ayatana, notify-osd and Kubuntu - 5 minutes from now...18:56
rgreeningJontheEchidna: ping18:56
rgreeningJontheEchidna: I got it working...18:56
JontheEchidnawhoa, nice18:57
JontheEchidnawhat's the trick?18:57
rgreeningsmall patch. minor layout issue to solve...18:57
JontheEchidnaout of curiosity, how is the advanced settings dialog working for you?18:58
JontheEchidnait's probably the most least-tested feature since nobody can use it :P18:58
seelergreening: ok, but i have a phone call at 14:30 so my attention will be split18:58
rgreeningJontheEchidna: http://imagebin.ca/view/Fo85PN.html18:58
rgreeningseele: np18:59
JontheEchidnacool18:59
JontheEchidnaoh, it should be "Advanced..." but that's very minor atm I suppose18:59
rgreeningJontheEchidna: the button needs to be moved into a proper layout below the others... and give me a name instead of advanced :)18:59
rgreeningJontheEchidna: but at least it works. the dialog can be re-worked once this button works.19:00
rgreeningMeeting: start...19:00
rgreeningSo, who is here and has some input for UDS and Ayatana?19:00
JontheEchidnaI don't have any input, but it'd probably be interesting to watch19:01
JontheEchidna#ubuntu-meeting ?19:01
rgreeningJontheEchidna: never booked it, and I think theres a meeting there19:01
rgreeningHere's the ref e-mail... https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/kubuntu-devel/2009-May/002859.html19:01
JontheEchidnaoh, an impromptu meeting here19:02
rgreeningnixternal: do you have any input you'd like to provide?19:02
rgreeningI'd really like to go to UDS and feel that I have the "developers" general thoughts and not simply what I "think" they are...19:03
* nixternal looks at scrollback19:03
JontheEchidnaI personally think that creating a whole new notification system is counterproductive19:04
JontheEchidnaBut if they do feel a need to write one, I hope it'll be pluggable with knotify19:04
nixternalhonestly, I don't think we will have to worry much about ayatana for Karmic, I don't think we should look at incorporating it until Karmic+119:04
rgreeningJontheEchidna: I believe that is likely the concensus here. Does anyone else feel this way or have a differing view?19:05
nixternalif you follow the ayatana list, ScottK or myself got them to admit that they just started researching the KDE aspect of it19:05
rgreeningnixternal: that may or may not be the case, though I'd have to agree with "it may be too soon".19:05
nixternalI think they need to fix the main implementation before we add it to Kubuntu19:05
nixternalwe need to stop implementing shit here that isn't ready19:05
nixternalread: KPackageKit19:05
jussi01nixternal: +1 from me on thatr19:05
rgreeningtrue, though KPackageKit is in much better shape :)19:06
nixternalrgreening: how wouldn't that be the case?19:06
nixternalit is up the KC in the first place on allowing ayatana into Kubuntu19:06
rgreeningnixternal: depends on how fast they get into developing... I guess.19:06
nixternaland as it stands, I would vote -1 on it, as it isn't even close to being acceptable by many standards19:06
JontheEchidnaat least adept reliably installs stuff... The slightest bit of load and with KPackageKit you get "backend timeout - you need to fork" though that's more of a packagekit issue in general19:06
JontheEchidna[/offtopic]19:07
rgreeningnixternal: I agree. I think the main concern here is ensuring that whatever Ayatana becomes fits with the core ethos of Kubuntu, and would be acceptable to the KC.19:07
nixternalrgreening: how is kpackagekit in better shape? it might have just as many bugs as ayatana :p19:07
rgreening:)19:07
nixternalrgreening: right, which is why I say Karmic+119:07
rgreeningok, we've got a few comments thus far... seele? thoughts?19:07
nixternalnow don't get me wrong, we should work closely with ayatana devs during the Karmic cycle, and offer ayatana in universe for testing during Karmic19:08
rgreeningvorian: ?19:08
nixternalnothing more than that I feel19:08
rgreeningnixternal: I tend to agree. Not installed by default, but available for testing seems to be a good path to take.19:08
rgreeningI think demonstrating the whole KDE 4.3 systray and new notifications and collapsing is worth a look by the Ayatana team.19:09
jussi01I think we need to make sure we are working closely with them, so we make sure that when things need to be iimplemented, we can simply and easily and things are ready at release time. (IMHO)19:09
rgreeningjussi01: good point.19:09
nixternalactually, they need to be working closely with KDE as well and the new notification stuff19:11
nixternalseeing as we probably wouldn't consider shipping ayatana until about 4.419:11
jussi01nixternal: yes, they do need to work closely with kde, but we can help facilitate that by making sure we stay close to tham and keep the dialogue open19:12
rgreeningSo, thus far the concensus seems to be 1) why re-implement notifications 2) not installed by default - lets have in universe for testing 3) we need to work close with Ayatana 4) Ayatana should work with KDE upstream to look at integration rather than reimplementation19:12
nixternaljussi01: yes and no, seeing as it is canonical devs working on it, they shouldn't need our baby sitting, at least I hope they don't19:12
rgreeningAre there any other concerns than what we meantioned?19:13
jussi01rgreening: apart from the aliens coming to eat us? :D19:13
rgreeningheh19:13
JontheEchidnajussi01: if you see a blue telephone box, just stay near that19:14
jussi01hehe19:14
JontheEchidnayou should be ok :D19:14
rgreeningFor me, I hope to get a look at their spec and see what KDE 4.3 and upcoming 4.4 supports and make a comparizon.19:14
JontheEchidnapart of the thing is that they have different ideas on how the design should be19:14
nixternalkpackagekit19:14
nixternalyou read the reviews for Kubuntu 9.04? they all pretty much say "KPackageKit blows cat toes"19:14
nixternalthat needs to come up to speed...who all is working on kpackagekit?19:14
nixternaland I am not saying kpackagekit is bad, I am just saying it might not be ready for primetime19:14
rgreeningI think a few of the newer features in 4.3 have addressed some of the issues being solved by Ayatana.19:15
nixternalstupid freenode19:15
* Mamarok tries to find out what Ayatana is exactly19:15
JontheEchidnathough I think it'd really be easier to modify knotify than to make something completely new19:15
* nixternal wishes Ubuntu would have gone OFTC back in the day when we had the chance to19:15
JontheEchidnamaybe cram tons of config knobs in the config dialog, but that seems a bit too KDE :P19:15
JontheEchidnaWell, last time people were going "Adept blows! Use KPackageKit!"19:16
nixternalOMG I HATE FREENODE!19:16
JontheEchidnaneither are... optimal19:16
* seele is afk, sorry19:16
nixternalJontheEchidna: true, but adept is better than kpackagekit at this time19:17
JontheEchidnaI totally agree19:17
harolddongthe beta is a little sluggish overall compared to 4.219:17
nixternalpeople can't install stuff with kpackagekit19:17
JontheEchidnaAdept, at least, works.19:17
nixternaland god forbid they have to use the command line :)19:17
JontheEchidnaeven if the search requires a bit of intelligent searching19:17
nixternaland that stupid Light Bulb icon, can we get rid of that crap since it doesn't do anything useful that I have yet to see?19:17
* jussi01 hugs nixternal... there there19:18
harolddongkpackagekit is drag... adept is way better but aptitude is still ops19:18
JontheEchidnaoh, that gives upgrade hook notifications such as "you need to restart firefox before it throws assert errors at you"19:18
rgreeningJontheEchidna, seele, nixternal, vorian, jussi01, and anyone else... if you have additonal comments, ideas: please e-mail them to me: roderick.greening AT gmail.com.19:18
JontheEchidnathat lightblub icon19:18
JontheEchidnalol, blub19:18
nixternalhehe19:18
jussi01rgreening: sure19:18
* Mamarok admits she still uses synaptic...19:18
* JontheEchidna just uses apt-get, and adept when he feels the need to use a GUI19:19
JontheEchidnaI rarely use a GUI, though19:19
Mamarokwell, either that or aptitude19:19
jussi01JontheEchidna: +119:19
Mamarokbut we have users to consider19:19
jussi01ok, rant over, now is there other stuff we need to talk about?19:20
rgreeningty for your time folks. I think I have the general concensus of the kubuntu developers. I'll compile this and use this at UDS to work with Ayatana tem. Hopefully, this will be beneficial to all.19:20
rgreeningMeeting End:19:20
jussi01:)19:20
nixternalLancelot by default?19:20
jussi01*g*19:20
* Mamarok larts nixternal 19:20
nixternalthough KDE needs to do that and get rid of that crap called kickoff19:20
rgreeningnixternal: not until they get the composite better integrated.19:20
nixternalrgreening: have you tried it lately? it is a beauty in my trunk build19:21
* jussi01 is loving it... U2, a can of Lager, and nixternal :D19:21
rgreeninglancelot looks unpolished :)19:21
nixternalI actually kiss my LCD everytime I click it open :)19:21
harolddongwhen I use the default kde 4 menu it just feels like i'm using a menu but when I use lancelot my nipples get hard19:21
rgreeningnixternal: 4.319:21
rgreeningis what I am using.19:21
nixternalkickoff lacks polish, imitates either vista or gnome menu, haven't figured it out which came first19:21
nixternalummmm19:21
JontheEchidnaoh! We should use the "map plasma containments to virtual desktop" feature for 4.319:22
JontheEchidnait seems to be working fairly well, now19:22
rgreeningJontheEchidna: http://paste.ubuntu.com/175847/19:22
nixternali was joking btw about lancelot by default :p19:22
nixternalNETWORKMANGLER!!!19:23
nixternalthat is something we need to figure out for Karmic19:23
nixternalif that plasmoid does not come up to speed during this cycle, we need to figure out an escape plan19:23
JontheEchidnait should come up to speed, since opensuse will be using it for their next release19:23
nixternali think it is the winner for the worst part of Kubuntu 9.04 :)19:23
nixternaloh lord19:23
rgreeningJontheEchidna: the paste contains the current patch for weather.19:23
JontheEchidnaunforunately we released before they did...19:24
nixternalopensuse got rid of all of their kde devs, so who is working on it?19:24
nixternalor novell did rather19:24
JontheEchidnathey did?19:24
rgreeningls19:24
jussi01bollocks!19:24
nixternali know it left nasty tastes in some devs mouths and some have even split from irc last I looked19:24
rgreeninglol19:24
nixternalrgreening: ls doesn't work in IRC goofball!19:24
JontheEchidnarm -rf rgreening19:24
nixternalneither does cd ../, so I need to quit trying to go back one window with that19:24
nixternalhahaha19:24
rgreeningchmod 777 rgreening before deleting19:25
nixternalwhat else...oh, artwork, any plans on customizing Kubuntu again in the future?19:26
nixternali know it would be nothing more than maybe a color scheme and wallpaper, but something to distinguish a default install19:26
nixternalother than "well you know it is kubuntu because this, that, and that are broken"19:26
nixternal;p19:26
nixternalthis == networkmangler, that == kpackagekit, and the other that.....can't remember wth it was now19:27
nixternalwhat was the 3rd big complaint for 9.0419:27
nixternaloh, intel? but that isn't our fault19:27
JontheEchidnayeah19:28
nixternalwhat we also need to do this go round is all marketing/publicity related as well, we have fallen big time in that field19:28
JontheEchidnaluckily, very little complaints about our KDE packages :)19:28
nixternalright19:28
nixternalour packages were great like always, good job to you all for that19:28
nixternalrgreening: who is your roommate for UDS?19:29
nixternalhave you warned them yet?19:29
JontheEchidnasomehow we got a bad reputation for our KDE packages in hardy19:29
Mamaroknixternal: not all of them...19:29
rgreeningScottK...19:29
nixternalJontheEchidna: yes, but uneducated people19:29
JontheEchidnawhich we've been trying to shake off since intrepid19:29
seelemeeting end? sorry my phone call was early19:29
seele(still on it :( )19:29
JontheEchidnaso we put forth an extra effort to make things rock for jaunty, only to be overshadowed by other problems :(19:29
JontheEchidnaoh well19:30
jussi01btw, someone want to upload a fixed version of gwenview to the experimental ppa?19:30
rgreeningseele: that's ok. if you have comments you can still let us know or email to me19:30
JontheEchidnajussi01: there's a fix?19:30
nixternalI read the reviews of our packages, I went looking around and this is what I noticed: a) we were sharing patches with other distros, we had a few patches from openSUSE, and they had some of our patches, and then there was this one that everyone is making a stink of, they have all  of our patches, do it exactly like us, yet say they are better, I won't say any names of course, but arch you glad I am keeping that to myself?19:30
JontheEchidnalol19:30
jussi01JontheEchidna: I heard a report of someone today using trunk that it worked... but then again, could be wrong. worth a look though19:31
nixternalJontheEchidna: you like that one? :)19:31
JontheEchidnaheh, yeah19:31
nixternalplus they package a couple of binaries because they haven't figured out how to build the package yet :)19:31
JontheEchidnarofl19:32
JontheEchidnaWe were also packaging more bindings than most anybody else, until somebody got the novel idea to build more of them :P19:32
nixternalit might be the bindings package, and the other one, I read a mailing llist or forums post on it, and it was compiled on the guys machine with super fast flags added, and then he just packaged the binary until he/they can figure out how to do it in the build19:33
JontheEchidna(this is less of a jab and more of a way to get in a pun)19:33
jussi01so where have we screwed up? Im more interested in that...19:33
JontheEchidnawhoa, coincidence that we were both talking about bindings? I think not!19:33
JontheEchidnabindings is hella hard to package19:34
nixternalspeaking of bindings, I ran into a guy at the book store who was running Kubuntu...he saw my stickers and approached me, and he told me that the prepackaged bindings was the reason he was using Kubuntu, I guess the .NET garbage is why19:34
nixternalwhich I didn't even realize we had Qyoto packaged up19:34
nixternalI remember looking at it last year, and the though of suicide filled my soul19:34
JontheEchidnahehe19:34
nixternalJontheEchidna: bindings is hella hard to freakin' build let alone package :)19:35
JontheEchidnatruths19:35
nixternaloh, quassel19:36
JontheEchidnaQuassel's not bad, though I must admit I do prefer konvi19:37
nixternalthat is something I wanted to ask about..is there any good documentation on setting it up...ie. I want my headless server to run the core and then be able to connect to it externally like I do irssi?19:37
nixternalcan you script quassel like konvi?19:37
nixternalthe scripting is what made konvi nice19:37
nixternalI have been thinking about ditching everything I do in my terminal for a GUI big brother19:37
nixternalie. Irssi for Quassel, Mutt for KMail, Bitlbee for Kopete19:38
nixternalthough I really like my terminal, and probably won't be able to function without it19:38
JontheEchidnadunno about scripting19:39
nixternalI love how I have one window for those 3 things, and just one tab19:39
smarternixternal: simple: launch quasselcore on your server, make sure port 4242 isn't blocked(shouldn't be by default), launch quasselclient on your desktop, File --> Connect to Core --> "New"(or whatever it's called), follow the instructions19:39
nixternalof course the machine that my irssi is running on is also got quite a few screens19:39
nixternalsmarter: rock! and I can setup like "Connect Internal" and "Connect External", 2 connections for the same core?19:40
nixternalexternal being when I am not at home19:40
JontheEchidnargreening: oh, and if you're curious you can test wallpapers without restarting plasma using plasmawallpaperviewer -p weather19:40
smarternixternal: you can have multiple core for one client19:40
nixternalrock on19:40
smarterand choose the one you want, even if they really are the same19:40
MamarokJontheEchidna: any idea how long it will take to have a working 4.3 beta in the repos?19:41
nixternalsmarter: did you mean multiple client for one core?19:41
smarteroh, didn't understand what you mean, that too yes :)19:41
nixternaldoes quassel handle ssl?19:41
smarteryes19:41
JontheEchidnaMamarok: http://www.kubuntu.org/node/8119:41
nixternaloh man, it is sounding better every second19:42
nixternalI just hate gui apps, but I love KDE...I don't get it19:42
smarternixternal: the quassel package for Kubuntu create an SSL key when it's installed19:42
MamarokJontheEchidna: I keep getting reports of problems with kdebase19:42
smarternixternal: if you're being a NAT(router), you'll probably need to set it up so that it redirects port 4242 to the computer running the core19:42
JontheEchidnaMamarok: I'd be interesting in seeing the installation logs, in that case19:42
JontheEchidnaif could could, could you run sudo apt-get install -f and post the log?19:43
JontheEchidnablah19:43
MamarokJontheEchidna: right, will ask foe then :)19:43
JontheEchidnacould could could19:43
Mamarokfor* even19:43
MamarokJontheEchidna: it's not me, had a few users talking about today19:43
JontheEchidnawhat does apachelogger say? That his language parser is broken? It seems mine is too :P19:43
Mamarok:)19:45
Mamarokyou should see me type when I am really tired...19:45
JontheEchidnahehe19:50
JontheEchidna!!!19:51
JontheEchidnargreening: I may have a simpler solution, that compiles19:51
JontheEchidnagotta wait for deb generation to test it though19:51
rgreeningsimpler? show me :)19:51
JontheEchidnait adds it to the existing layout19:52
JontheEchidnaand if firefox would just peddle faster...19:52
JontheEchidnahttp://paste.ubuntu.com/175870/ <-my configinterface function19:52
rgreeningfunny, I was just on that same track19:53
rgreeninghahah19:53
JontheEchidnaWeatherConfig is a QWidget itself, so all you have to do is get the layout from it19:53
rgreening+    QLayout *layout = m_configWidget->layout;19:53
rgreening+    layout->addWidget(mButtonAdvanced);19:53
JontheEchidnawonder if this will work, even if it compiles...19:53
rgreeningyep. should work19:53
rgreeningand should follow proper layout.19:53
rgreeningMy patch broke the existing layout.19:54
JontheEchidnaif only I found out how to do this before string freeze :(19:54
rgreeningyou never asked me. two head better than one :P19:54
JontheEchidnaI still have to make a "credit label" for the weather sources, so maybe I can sneak that in too?19:54
JontheEchidnaif not, we can always patch Ubuntu's packages :P19:54
JontheEchidnathough I'd feel bad about that...19:54
JontheEchidnabut not *too* bad :P19:55
rgreeninglol19:55
* rgreening likes cred :P19:55
JontheEchidnaand, if I recall, somebody was having real life happen to them around the time of string freeze19:56
JontheEchidnawell, you and me both19:56
JontheEchidnargreening: it works!19:59
rgreeningyay19:59
rgreeningso, one other thing. the new dialog should disable the parent (you know so you can't click/close it). but thats not that important. you def should get that patch in for 4.4 as well as a patch for Kubuntu.20:00
JontheEchidnahuh, the "change the wallpaper for the weather condition" feature doesn't work anymore...20:10
jussi01did I mentiion U2 Rocks?20:12
JontheEchidnawell, the color setting works. That's an obnoxious orange20:13
nixternalyowser, kde 4.3 really mucks up the panel20:28
neversfeldekde 4.3 is useless without a konsole :)20:28
neversfeldeI am a tty1 user now :)20:29
jussi01nixternal: yep20:32
nixternaljeesh, wasn't a good idea to upgrade to 4.3 I see20:33
nixternalthough the 4.3 I have built from trunk is way better, though it is built on debian20:34
nixternalso I am not using mucked up xorg20:34
nixternalhow do you stop x from using 50% cpu?20:41
nixternalI am going to have to ditch this crap20:41
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Mamarokwe need more factoids for KDE, most are for Gnome :(20:43
Tscheesynixternal : perhaps you kill all the plasma-config's20:49
txwikinger_worknixternal: how do you stop using xorg?21:01
nixternali don't, switch to another distro for the time being...it was bad in 4.2.3, it is even worse right now in 4.321:05
jussi01cripes that on hover over the taskbar thing in 4.3 is annoying...21:13
neversfeldejussi01: this is not a feature, is it?21:15
jussi01neversfelde: no idea...21:15
jussi01neversfelde: I think it is though... or "supposed to be"21:16
neversfeldethis must be a bug, but I am not sure ;)21:16
jussi01when you hover over a item on the taskbar it brings it to the front... temporarily...21:16
neversfeldesometimes21:17
JontheEchidnajussi01: you mean the "make all the other windows transparent when you hover" thing?21:29
JontheEchidnaI turned that off as soon as I found out what was causing it21:29
jussi01JontheEchidna: yeah21:29
jussi01JontheEchidna: which is?21:29
JontheEchidnathe kwin effect21:29
JontheEchidnaI forget what it's exactly called21:30
mgraesslinhighlight windows21:30
jussi01yep21:30
jussi01just found it21:30
* txwikinger_work wonders when he can again open 60 Konqs with 15 tabs each with 398MB21:30
jussi01JontheEchidna: thanks21:30
JontheEchidnaHa! I found the bug with the custom wallpapers21:31
* JontheEchidna cheers21:31
jussi01JontheEchidna: \o/21:32
JontheEchidnawith the patch, one could have a snowy desktop during a heatwave if they so choosed21:32
KDeskhi21:53
KDeskI don't know if this is the correct channel but.. I'm trying to build amarok 2.0.96 with the PPA system. But I get an error after "dh_install -a". How can I fix this?21:55
KDeskcp: cannot stat `debian/tmp/usr/bin/amarok': No such file or directory21:55
KDeskdh_install: command returned error code 25621:55
KDeskAlso, Do you know if the semi/official packages already in bulilding are?21:56
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MamarokJontheEchidna: here you go with the upgrade errors for KDE 4.2.3: http://pastebin.com/m201c177022:15
JontheEchidnaMamarok: I need the list of errors after the users accepts22:21
MamarokJontheEchidna: I not really want to accept, if this might break my system22:22
JontheEchidnathe installation already failed, correct?22:22
JontheEchidnathen you did sudo apt-get upgrade, which failed22:22
JontheEchidnathen sudo apt-get install -f22:22
JontheEchidnaaccepting will only make it try to install the packages that failed last time22:23
JontheEchidnaand fail, just like last time22:23
Mamarokomg, there are only noobs in #kubuntu today, are we surrounded ?22:25
nixternalahhh, I figured out what the issue was with x wasting cycles22:31
nixternalnitrogen window style == evil!22:32
ryanakcaMamarok: Anything I can help with?22:35
Mamarokryanakca: yes, I would be really glad22:37
MamarokI guess it's bed time for me, support since this morning and it's close to midnight here...22:39
* Mamarok has the impression that there are only noobs out ther who break their systems22:40
ryanakcaMamarok: Night22:40
neversfeldeSput: is a "startinimized" option for quassel planned? It is the only app here on jaunty that starts maximized in a manually saved session?23:46
neversfeldes/startinimized/start minimized23:47
BUGabundois it just me or did KDEPIM when nuts with latest update on karmic?23:57

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