[00:20] JontheEchidna: -runtime uploaded. [00:40] good eening trying to do the update from the kubuntu.org website and getting a lot of failed to install or upgrade kdebase-runtime and kdebase-workspace-dev [00:40] yeah, I'm working on 'em... [00:40] the runtime one was pushed to bzr but I forgot to do a PPA upload [00:40] once the new runtime builds it should be fine [00:41] I would be interested in a log for the -workspace ones [00:41] http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/175276/ is what i'm getting [00:42] thanks [00:43] ok, the runtime fix is building and I'll upload the fix for -workspace shortly [00:46] ok cool i'll upgrade later then :) [01:04] ...and new kdebase-workspace uploaded, with hopefully the last of the conflicts [01:11] gwenview is totally tweaked in the beta. it opens fine but if I click anything it crashes [01:12] cmake error [01:15] shit, here we go again: bug 377333 [01:15] Launchpad bug 377333 in kdeadmin "KDE Printer Configuration applet is broken" [Undecided,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/377333 [01:15] that dbus.mainloop.qt crash [01:16] in karmic now [01:30] JontheEchidna: We got some complaints about Dolphin not running/starting very slowly and Konqueror not being able to browse files. [01:31] JontheEchidna: I'm thinking we ought to ship the two lib*private.so files. Any reason not to? [01:32] dunno [01:32] * ScottK thinks unless we have a good reason not to we ought to ship stuff. [01:33] apparently we're doing it because debian is [01:33] though konsole's private lib was not added during the merge [01:33] and is new in KDE 4.3 [01:34] Are the dolphin/konqueror ones new? [01:35] JontheEchidna: ^^ [01:35] They were present in KDE 4.2 [01:36] and were in our kdebase-dev package before we abolished it in the merge [01:37] (I'm reporting this as I investigate) [01:43] Well it they were in -dev, that's not it. [01:43] Hmmm [01:54] JontheEchidna: Any reason I shouldn't upload your kdebase stuff as is then? [01:58] ScottK: not that I can think of [01:59] JontheEchidna: Done [02:00] JontheEchidna: That leave pim and did you say -workspace? [02:00] yeah, those are the two [02:01] runtime now has some final fixes, unless I forgot to push [02:01] ok, runtime's all good [02:01] OK. [02:26] OK. pim done. [02:28] JontheEchidna: Nothing in bzr for runtime i didn't already upload, so I think I'm done being your upload bitch for now. [02:29] oh, maybe you did upload that already. I'm starting to lose track of it all... [02:29] I hope we merge sooner next time... [02:30] this exercise was good for my upload count, but otherwise not so much fun [02:32] If Ubuntu HoF was working I'm pretty sure I'd be top of the pile for sponsoring. === k4v is now known as m4v [03:49] dude [03:49] what's up with kdebase [03:51] WHich one? [03:51] vorian: ^^ [03:52] dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/kdebase-data_4%3a4.2.85-0ubuntu3_all.deb (--unpack): [03:52] trying to overwrite `/usr/share/kde4/apps/keditbookmarks/keditbookmarks-genui.rc', which is also in package konqueror [03:52] dpkg-deb: subprocess paste killed by signal (Broken pipe) [03:52] dpkg: regarding .../kdebase-runtime-data_4%3a4.2.85-0ubuntu4_all.deb containing kdebase-runtime-data: [03:52] kdebase-runtime-data conflicts with kdebase-data (<< 4:4.2.85) [03:52] kdebase-data (version 4:4.2.2-0ubuntu4) is present and installed. [03:52] dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/kdebase-runtime-data_4%3a4.2.85-0ubuntu4_all.deb (--unpack): [03:52] conflicting packages - not installing kdebase-runtime-data [03:52] Errors were encountered while processing: [03:52] /var/cache/apt/archives/kdebase-data_4%3a4.2.85-0ubuntu3_all.deb [03:52] /var/cache/apt/archives/kdebase-runtime-data_4%3a4.2.85-0ubuntu4_all.deb [03:52] E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1) [03:52] erm, batpaste [03:52] eek [03:53] The answer is you found some more conflicts .... [03:53] JohnTheEchnida has been diligent about rooting them out, but clearly missed a few. [03:54] A bunch of stuff moved around when we merged with Debian. [03:54] http://paste.ubuntu.com/175347/ [03:54] tisk tisk tisk [03:54] should have waited to do a merge [03:54] * vorian remembers saying something along those lines [03:54] vorian: I don't have a lot of time to work through it, but if you can clean this up a bit in bzr, I can upload it later. [03:55] okie dokie [03:55] Thanks. [03:55] I think it'd have been harder later, but water under the bridge. [03:55] Back in a bit. [04:19] my head is going to explode [04:20] this is all flippin mixed up [04:33] I'm just JontheEchidna's upload bitch. Talk to him .... [04:33] :o [04:41] hey all [04:41] hey upload bitch :) [04:42] lol [04:44] hehe [04:44] rgreening: how did you weasel out a uds invite you lucky dog? [04:45] someone needs to talke care of Riddell and ensure he doesn't spend too much time in the hot tub :) [04:45] I got picked :) [04:45] mwahaha [04:45] lol [04:52] all you fine dev folks dont forget to smile for the cameras, us users will be watching the uds youtube vids :) [04:56] I haven't decided for sure if I'm going to sign the waiver to let myself be videoed. [04:57] rgreening: Was it a big deal last time if one didn't? [04:57] ScottK: no. [04:57] Thanks [04:57] :) [04:58] in the romms, there were spots to sit outside the perview of the camera [04:58] we can still hear you then? mwahaha [04:58] only if he speaks... [04:59] but in scotts case, Im not expecting silence :) haha [04:59] Don't worry. The only way to get me not to talk in a meeting is not to invite me. [04:59] hehe [05:02] JontheEchidna: does your weather thing work in 4.3 beta? [06:40] Hrm, lots of weirdness in 4.3 beta (jaunty). no wallpapapers, panel is all messed up, have I done someting wrong [06:40] ? [06:43] You've installed a beta? [06:43] which is the debugging package I need to report useful bug with plasma? [06:43] * jussi01 hugs ScottK [06:46] ScottK: I guess, as with most things in the morning it got worded wrong. (its a8.45, I havent woken up properly yet) I was more attempting to ask if anyone else has experienced such issues, and if so, have they reported a bug? [06:47] * ScottK is still on 4.2.2 [06:47] ScottK: do you have an answer for my other question? (re: plasma) [06:48] No, it's very late here and I'm not very coherent [06:48] ScottK: ok. :) sleep well then [07:12] jussi01: kdebase-workspace-dbg [07:15] Hello all, just a question has everything finished being uploaded for KDE 4.3 because when i install kubuntu-desktop from ubuntu 9.10 i can log into KDE but the plasmiods don't work (i can't use launcher to get programs or anything) [07:16] woodbj: nope [07:16] lots has been uploaded, but the build servers are harmered as well [07:17] so how much longer do you think the kde 4.3 desktop will be up and running [07:17] no idea [07:17] probably the next few days...we found more bugs today that need to get taken care of warrant some rebuilding as well [07:18] ok thanks for the hard work [07:19] thanks tsimpson [07:22] JontheEchidna: or whoever is interested in kde4.3 stuff: http://paste.ubuntu.com/175428/ === Mamarok_ is now known as Mamarok === nixternal_ is now known as nixternal [09:50] folks, could we please put a "for experienced users only" in the 4.3 beta announcement? [09:50] I'm sick of noobs who rush into it and then break their system [10:06] Mamarok: there isn't that? [10:06] Tm_T: guess... [10:07] there isn't, hrrrrrr [10:07] we should really do announcements with the user in mind... [10:07] and most users are just noobs [10:35] Mamarok: committed :) [10:57] but yea - good idea nontheless [10:57] sebas: she was talking about the announcement on kubuntu.org i think [10:58] Ah, context ... :) [10:58] hehe [10:58] :---P [10:59] It's actually the secon time I write "aah ... context" in the last few minutes [11:00] * Nightrose hands sebas some instant context - add water when needed :D [11:05] * sebas throws it in his morning pina colada and stirs ... eeerh shakes === zphou is now known as freeflying [11:07] hmmmm morning pina colada... [11:07] *drool* [11:08] Nightrose: at that time of the day? [11:08] hmm ok - little late for a morning pina colada [11:08] true [11:08] * Nightrose would like one anyway [11:09] I actually understood that you were drinking ... [11:09] It's never too late for a morning PC [11:10] * Sput prefers a morning bloody mary [11:11] that sweet stuff doesn't taste :) [11:11] *grumble* why are there 5990 builds waiting for i386 in PPAs... [11:12] Sput: agreed, that's more my style too :) [11:12] but then, a Swimmingpool... [11:12] meh, max one, and after that I need beer or something spicy [11:27] mgraesslin: forget about that xenoterracide chap, he is a real pain... [11:29] Mamarok: yeah I just decided that for myself, too :-) [11:30] I'm really sick of people blaming kwin for the intel problems [13:20] *yawn* [13:26] JontheEchidna: still having problems with the update on kdebase-runtime-data and kdebase-workspace-dev [13:27] really? that's weird [13:27] JontheEchidna: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/175616/ [13:28] hrmm wife is ready for break fast so i'll read scroll [13:28] ok -dev one is new, I think. [13:31] JontheEchidna: http://paste.ubuntu.com/175347/ [13:33] I don't get the kdebase-runtime-data one :( [13:34] that oxygen.themerc file is not in kde-icons-oxygen [13:34] and kdebase-runtime-data should properly replace the last version that did [13:34] tsimpson: Test rebuild of the archive. They're all scored with a low priority so they only go when there's no regular uploads waiting. [13:36] qt4-x11 is two hours past where it died last time on armel, so we may be in business. [13:44] So, if peeps gonna be pelting me with pastebin links, I might as well pelt back: http://imagebin.ca/view/CDOg2_4q.html [13:44] * rgreening is sooo tired [13:45] JontheEchidna: how do yo umake the plasma weather thingy work... I get only a blank blue screen [13:45] no weather here... [13:45] lol [13:46] * ScottK was about to say nice weather there. [13:46] heh [13:46] rgreening: are you using the NOAA weather service? [13:46] the wallpaper has this thing where it won't work with the NOAA [13:47] because the weather dataengine won't return an icon name for the weather since it'd have to write cases for the 200 different weather condition strings that the NOAA returns [13:47] JontheEchidna: I open Desktop Settings and config Wallpaper to Weather. Select Env Canada, and St. John's... [13:47] oh, env canada [13:47] I've not tried that yet, I don't think [13:47] * ScottK wonders what the color for 'cold' is for the wallpaper [13:48] hmm... nevermind. seems to have worked this morning... [13:48] strange. [13:48] yesterday it was solid blue. [13:48] JontheEchidna: do you have pics for all weather? [13:49] as much weather as the weather dataengine gives us, yes. [13:49] maybe it was missing one and defaulted to no pic ( and used my dfefault background color) [13:49] if it gets weather-none-available or can't connect to the internet it falls back to the default wallpaper [13:50] and default wound be no paper is wall[paper was enabled, no? [13:50] nope [13:50] wallpaper weather I mean [13:50] I mean, it sets the image and the image for the default wallpaper [13:50] s/and/as [13:51] hmm... and if it never ran successfully once, then no wallpaper. [13:51] hence my blue screen I suspect. [13:51] maybe [13:52] maybe we need a default pic for no weather... [13:52] :P [13:52] like the color bars when a channel is off air.. hahahha [13:52] rgreening: He's not old enough to know what that is. [13:53] lol [13:53] I've seen those [13:53] ... in movies [13:53] beeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee..... eeeee...... This is a test of the emergency broadcast system. [13:53] no, on PBS at like 5 am in the morning before anything was on [13:53] 10 years ago [13:54] or maybe it wasn't PBS, but one of the channels near it [13:54] JontheEchidna: anyway, the weather app is tres cool (now that it works 4 me) [13:54] the ones with all the ads near the end of the channels our antenna would receive [13:54] I remember when fox went to a network broadcast === rdieter_ is now known as rdieter [13:54] we had to get a round antenna === rdieter is now known as rdieter_ === rdieter_ is now known as rdieter [13:56] JontheEchidna: is there a way to reconf the wallpapers? [13:56] just curious.,.,. [13:57] like, change the wallpaper for a certain weather condition? [13:57] sure [13:57] nope, can't do that at the moment :( [13:58] I ran in to some techincal problems when the wallpaper got ported over to libplasmaweather [13:58] libplasmaweather provided a qwidget for the configuration interface, and I don't know how to properly add a pushbutton for the advanced dialog to the configwidget's layout [13:59] otherwise most of the advanced config code is there [13:59] ah [14:01] http://websvn.kde.org/trunk/KDE/kdeplasma-addons/wallpapers/weather/weatherwallpaper.cpp?revision=954189&view=markup [14:02] createConfigurationInterace() is where the magic would happen, if I knew how to add a pushbutton to the layout [14:10] JontheEchidna: I'll take a peek... [14:10] who knows... :) [14:18] JontheEchidna: is there an easy way to build just that applet outside workspace? [14:19] yeah, just a sec [14:19] or maybe not anymore [14:20] unless libplasmaweather has development headers [14:20] JontheEchidna: which package is the weather thing in? [14:21] kdeplasma-addons [14:21] k [14:21] the wallpaper is too, so that makes it easier [14:21] http://paste.ubuntu.com/175643/ <- you'd add this to get an out-of-souce build, but I don't know if it'll build out of source anymore [14:21] (to cmakelists.txt) [14:21] kk [14:26] anything you guys need me to work on [14:27] JontheEchidna: whats the applet called in kdeplasma-addons [14:28] it's in wallpapers/weather/ [14:28] rgreening: ^ [14:28] ah [14:28] thats why I couldnt find it [14:28] lol [14:28] JontheEchidna: anything i can work on [14:29] not that I can think of [14:29] ok would upstream but i cant seeing as im on karmic [14:32] JontheEchidna: should i file a bug but not sure against what in regards to kde programs like konqueror and kopete etc their bug reporting program reports them directly upstream [14:41] JontheEchidna: ping [14:41] ScottK: yeah, I realised a few seconds after I said that [14:41] jussi01: pong [14:42] JontheEchidna: just curious, Im getting crashes with gwenview, have you experienced that? http://paste.ubuntu.com/175667/ [14:42] * JontheEchidna isn't a regular user of gwenview, tbh [14:44] looking at the log, it could be an isue with the new folder view feature [14:44] not to be confused with plasma's folderview [14:45] JontheEchidna: just amissing dep? or some actual issue? [14:45] probably an actual issue [14:45] I can't think of any dep that would be missing [14:54] JontheEchidna: http://paste.ubuntu.com/175677/ [14:54] I haven't tested yet... but in theory... [14:56] out of curiosity, any reason for a plasma pushbutton inside a normal config dialog? [14:56] oops.. copy/paste error [14:56] should be regular KPushbutton [14:59] and it'll need to include the header KPushutton... [15:00] * JontheEchidna tests [15:00] JontheEchidna: more like this... http://paste.ubuntu.com/175683/ [15:00] the part that takes a while :( [15:01] heh [15:02] the best attempt I had got a window to appear for a split second whent he config dialog was open [15:02] lol [15:03] subclassing things isn't my strong suit [15:11] JontheEchidna: no guarantees what I have will a) compile b) do what we want. :) [15:11] but in theory... [15:14] JontheEchidna: who besied you can I poke into having a look at the Amarok crash? we _really_ need beta 2 packages for kubuntu to get testing [15:14] I want to release 2.1 final next but without more testing I can't do that [15:14] umm [15:15] sorry for being such a pita about it :/ [15:15] don't worry, I understand where you're coming from... not having packages for this long is not good [15:15] hmm [15:15] Nightrose: let me know if you need a tester [15:16] everybody's away at UDS, aren't they... [15:16] eagles0513875: heh i need packagers first :D [15:16] then testers [15:16] JontheEchidna: yea - looks like it [15:16] JontheEchidna: UDS is cancelled because of swineflu ;) [15:16] Nightrose: does it need to be packaged still [15:16] yes [15:17] well or rather one nasty bug fixed so the packages are usable [15:17] Nightrose: mind if i pm ya [15:17] * Nightrose would rather speak here quickly as I have to go back to programming really soon [15:17] ill be willing to repackage with mentorship [15:18] Nightrose: I think I might be able to take another look later today [15:18] it's just that I've been really, really busy lately :( [15:18] UDS is next week i thought [15:18] JontheEchidna: ok thanks [15:18] yea I know - we all are ;-) [15:18] seele: canonical all hands is now iirc [15:19] and uds next week [15:19] oh, that's what I'm thinking of [15:19] Riddell left the country so I assumed that either a) he's running from the law or b) going to UDS [15:19] Nightrose: right, but that's just Riddell and agateau for us [15:19] rofl JontheEchidna [15:19] seele: *nod* [15:20] txwikinger_work: http://doihaveswineflu.org [15:20] bbl [15:20] * Nightrose goes back to trying to understand VTK [15:21] JontheEchidna: ROFL [15:21] JontheEchidna: Or he is running for Speaker [15:22] JontheEchidna: I'll figure out the kdeplasma-addons thing. It's building here. If it works, I'll ask to get it uploaded. If it doesn't I'll debug. You go on and do the Amarok thingy :) [15:23] is there any place special to report any testing done on the network manager plasma widget in currently in karmic [15:29] JontheEchidna: any idea why patches/kubuntu_01_qt_phonon.diff was disabled in kdeplasma-addons? [15:32] I think it is required (at least in my pbuilder bball fails without the patch). [15:41] rgreening: it doesn't look disabled in bzr [15:41] it doesn't work in jaunty, so I disabled it there [15:42] (we aren't using Qt phonon in jaunty) [15:43] JontheEchidna: hmmm... well something is amiss... maybe I am using the wrong pbuildr. though it was jaunty... [15:43] is a missing kontact icon a known problem for 4.2.3? [15:46] rgreening: my kdeplasma-addons build is almost done anyway [15:47] 92% [15:47] lol, wouldn't you know I update to beta 4.3, then for the first time in a month need to use quanta. [15:49] oh, crap. I forgot to rename that to quanta-kde4 [15:49] *kdewebdev-kde4 [15:49] that means it overwrote everbody's kdewebdev D: [15:49] oops [15:49] lol [15:50] JontheEchidna: yeah, my pbuilder was karmic for some stupid reason... [15:50] dunno how [15:51] http://img269.imageshack.us/img269/3809/podborlk.jpg [15:51] rgreening: error: ‘class WeatherConfig’ has no member named ‘mainWidget’ [15:52] yeah... I figured I'd need to tweak that some... let me play with it. [15:55] JontheEchidna: I have another Idea... give me a few to work it out. [16:05] JontheEchidna: do you still have the build session open [16:07] rgreening: I'm not pbuilding it, so yeah I can test [16:07] just doing a straight debuild [16:08] ok, maybe replace mainWidget with WeatherConfig... not 100% sure. [16:15] rgreening: error: invalid use of ‘class WeatherConfig’ [16:15] hrmm.. remove that altogether [16:15] maybe it can be a direct child. [16:15] I did that and it said I had to be a QLayout [16:16] 1 sec. [16:19] JontheEchidna: weatherCOnfig not WeatherConfig [16:19] JontheEchidna: weatherConfig not WeatherConfig [16:19] lowercase w [16:19] weatherCOnfig is the widget name in the weatherconfig.ui [16:19] weatherConfig is the widget name in the weatherconfig.ui [16:20] oops [16:21] my fault, I typed it upper to you originally [16:21] meant lower [16:22] JontheEchidna: if that works, then it's just formatting and layout to worry about. [16:23] error: ‘class WeatherConfig’ has no member named ‘weatherConfig’ [16:23] hrmmm [16:24] eagles0513875: please stop upstreaming bugs, I'm hearing that you are annoying upstream [16:24] ok [16:26] JontheEchidna: there probably needs ot be a ui-> in there... [16:26] JontheEchidna: m_configWidget->ui->weatherConfig()->layout()->addItem(mButtonAdvanced); [16:26] maybe [16:27] heh, you can see the difficulties I was facing [16:27] lol [16:28] nope [16:28] yeah, basically you need to utilize the weatherconfig.ui (defined by the ui member var of the WeatherConfig Class and add the button... [16:28] hmm [16:28] error: ‘class WeatherConfig’ has no member named ‘ui’ [16:28] so the weatherConfig() is prob wrong too... [16:29] wtf [16:30] JontheEchidna: private shiz is annoying [16:32] fo shizzle [16:33] JontheEchidna: you may be forced to sub class to get around the privatization. [16:34] ScottK: ping when you're free please [16:34] JontheEchidna: where does the "Configure..." plasma button come from? [16:34] configure plasma button? [16:34] plasmoidviewer weather [16:35] see the button... [16:35] oh, that's setNeedsConfiguration or something [16:35] it's part of the plasma api [16:36] can't use it for wallpapes since they're just a pixmap painted to the screen though [16:37] Plasma::Wallpaper has a similar function for notifying the user that the wallpaper needs configured, but it currently doesn't do anything [16:38] probably something for 4.4 [16:47] JontheEchidna: I was just thinking, why use weatherAdvanced.ui in the WeatherWallpaper::createConfigurationInterface function and add a button for the Weather config and have it launch the weather config box. [16:47] so, instead you get to choose wallpapers up front, and then set the weather via a Configure Weather button. [16:53] JontheEchidna: so basically, I think you reverse the createConfigurationInterface and showAdvancedDialog with some minor tweaks and connecting of correct signals. [17:22] firefox is totally unusable when you use nfs mount for home [17:33] JontheEchidna: ok, I have another idea... trying now. [17:34] hiho [18:27] Reminder: Ad-hoc meeting/discussion - UDS, Ayatana, notify-osd and Kubuntu - 30 minutes from now... [18:32] seele, vorian, JontheEchidna, nixternal, etc... ^ [18:32] roger that [18:33] For the meeting, here's a link to my post: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/kubuntu-devel/2009-May/002859.html [18:56] Reminder: Ad-hoc meeting/discussion - UDS, Ayatana, notify-osd and Kubuntu - 5 minutes from now... [18:56] JontheEchidna: ping [18:56] JontheEchidna: I got it working... [18:57] whoa, nice [18:57] what's the trick? [18:57] small patch. minor layout issue to solve... [18:58] out of curiosity, how is the advanced settings dialog working for you? [18:58] it's probably the most least-tested feature since nobody can use it :P [18:58] rgreening: ok, but i have a phone call at 14:30 so my attention will be split [18:58] JontheEchidna: http://imagebin.ca/view/Fo85PN.html [18:59] seele: np [18:59] cool [18:59] oh, it should be "Advanced..." but that's very minor atm I suppose [18:59] JontheEchidna: the button needs to be moved into a proper layout below the others... and give me a name instead of advanced :) [19:00] JontheEchidna: but at least it works. the dialog can be re-worked once this button works. [19:00] Meeting: start... [19:00] So, who is here and has some input for UDS and Ayatana? [19:01] I don't have any input, but it'd probably be interesting to watch [19:01] #ubuntu-meeting ? [19:01] JontheEchidna: never booked it, and I think theres a meeting there [19:01] Here's the ref e-mail... https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/kubuntu-devel/2009-May/002859.html [19:02] oh, an impromptu meeting here [19:02] nixternal: do you have any input you'd like to provide? [19:03] I'd really like to go to UDS and feel that I have the "developers" general thoughts and not simply what I "think" they are... [19:03] * nixternal looks at scrollback [19:04] I personally think that creating a whole new notification system is counterproductive [19:04] But if they do feel a need to write one, I hope it'll be pluggable with knotify [19:04] honestly, I don't think we will have to worry much about ayatana for Karmic, I don't think we should look at incorporating it until Karmic+1 [19:05] JontheEchidna: I believe that is likely the concensus here. Does anyone else feel this way or have a differing view? [19:05] if you follow the ayatana list, ScottK or myself got them to admit that they just started researching the KDE aspect of it [19:05] nixternal: that may or may not be the case, though I'd have to agree with "it may be too soon". [19:05] I think they need to fix the main implementation before we add it to Kubuntu [19:05]