[00:20] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: -runtime uploaded.
[00:40] <jjesse> good eening trying to do the update from the kubuntu.org website and getting a lot of failed to install or upgrade kdebase-runtime and kdebase-workspace-dev
[00:40] <JontheEchidna> yeah, I'm working on 'em...
[00:40] <JontheEchidna> the runtime one was pushed to bzr but I forgot to do a PPA upload
[00:40] <JontheEchidna> once the new runtime builds it should be fine
[00:41] <JontheEchidna> I would be interested in a log for the -workspace ones
[00:41] <jjesse> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/175276/ is what i'm getting
[00:42] <JontheEchidna> thanks
[00:43] <JontheEchidna> ok, the runtime fix is building and I'll upload the fix for -workspace shortly
[00:46] <jjesse> ok cool i'll upgrade later then :)
[01:04] <JontheEchidna> ...and new kdebase-workspace uploaded, with hopefully the last of the conflicts
[01:11] <harolddong> gwenview is totally tweaked in the beta.  it opens fine but if I click anything it crashes
[01:12] <vorian> cmake error
[01:15] <JontheEchidna> shit, here we go again: bug 377333
[01:15] <JontheEchidna> that dbus.mainloop.qt crash
[01:16] <JontheEchidna> in karmic now
[01:30] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: We got some complaints about Dolphin not running/starting very slowly and Konqueror not being able to browse files.
[01:31] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: I'm thinking we ought to ship the two lib*private.so files.  Any reason not to?
[01:32] <JontheEchidna> dunno
[01:32]  * ScottK thinks unless we have a good reason not to we ought to ship stuff.
[01:33] <JontheEchidna> apparently we're doing it because debian is
[01:33] <JontheEchidna> though konsole's private lib was not added during the merge
[01:33] <JontheEchidna> and is new in KDE 4.3
[01:34] <ScottK> Are the dolphin/konqueror ones new?
[01:35] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: ^^
[01:35] <JontheEchidna> They were present in KDE 4.2
[01:36] <JontheEchidna> and were in our kdebase-dev package before we abolished it in the merge
[01:37] <JontheEchidna> (I'm reporting this as I investigate)
[01:43] <ScottK> Well it they were in -dev, that's not it.
[01:43] <ScottK> Hmmm
[01:54] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: Any reason I shouldn't upload your kdebase stuff as is then?
[01:58] <JontheEchidna> ScottK: not that I can think of
[01:59] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: Done
[02:00] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: That leave pim and did you say -workspace?
[02:00] <JontheEchidna> yeah, those are the two
[02:01] <JontheEchidna> runtime now has some final fixes, unless I forgot to push
[02:01] <JontheEchidna> ok, runtime's all good
[02:01] <ScottK> OK.
[02:26] <ScottK> OK.  pim done.
[02:28] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: Nothing in bzr for runtime i didn't already upload, so I think I'm done being your upload bitch for now.
[02:29] <JontheEchidna> oh, maybe you did upload that already. I'm starting to lose track of it all...
[02:29] <JontheEchidna> I hope we merge sooner next time...
[02:30] <JontheEchidna> this exercise was good for my upload count, but otherwise not so much fun
[02:32] <ScottK> If Ubuntu HoF was working I'm pretty sure I'd be top of the pile for sponsoring.
[03:49] <vorian> dude
[03:49] <vorian> what's up with kdebase
[03:51] <ScottK> WHich one?
[03:51] <ScottK> vorian: ^^
[03:52] <vorian> dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/kdebase-data_4%3a4.2.85-0ubuntu3_all.deb (--unpack):
[03:52] <vorian>  trying to overwrite `/usr/share/kde4/apps/keditbookmarks/keditbookmarks-genui.rc', which is also in package konqueror
[03:52] <vorian> dpkg-deb: subprocess paste killed by signal (Broken pipe)
[03:52] <vorian> dpkg: regarding .../kdebase-runtime-data_4%3a4.2.85-0ubuntu4_all.deb containing kdebase-runtime-data:
[03:52] <vorian>  kdebase-runtime-data conflicts with kdebase-data (<< 4:4.2.85)
[03:52] <vorian>   kdebase-data (version 4:4.2.2-0ubuntu4) is present and installed.
[03:52] <vorian> dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/kdebase-runtime-data_4%3a4.2.85-0ubuntu4_all.deb (--unpack):
[03:52] <vorian>  conflicting packages - not installing kdebase-runtime-data
[03:52] <vorian> Errors were encountered while processing:
[03:52] <vorian>  /var/cache/apt/archives/kdebase-data_4%3a4.2.85-0ubuntu3_all.deb
[03:52] <vorian>  /var/cache/apt/archives/kdebase-runtime-data_4%3a4.2.85-0ubuntu4_all.deb
[03:52] <vorian> E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
[03:52] <vorian> erm, batpaste
[03:52] <vorian> eek
[03:53] <ScottK> The answer is you found some more conflicts ....
[03:53] <ScottK> JohnTheEchnida has been diligent about rooting them out, but clearly missed a few.
[03:54] <ScottK> A bunch of stuff moved around when we merged with Debian.
[03:54] <vorian> http://paste.ubuntu.com/175347/
[03:54] <vorian> tisk tisk tisk
[03:54] <vorian> should have waited to do a merge
[03:54]  * vorian remembers saying something along those lines
[03:54] <ScottK> vorian: I don't have a lot of time to work through it, but if you can clean this up a bit in bzr, I can upload it later.
[03:55] <vorian> okie dokie
[03:55] <ScottK> Thanks.
[03:55] <ScottK> I think it'd have been harder later, but water under the bridge.
[03:55] <ScottK> Back in a bit.
[04:19] <vorian> my head is going to explode
[04:20] <vorian> this is all flippin mixed up
[04:33] <ScottK> I'm just JontheEchidna's upload bitch.  Talk to him ....
[04:33] <vorian> :o
[04:41] <rgreening> hey all
[04:41] <rgreening> hey upload bitch :)
[04:42] <rgreening> lol
[04:44] <vorian> hehe
[04:44] <vorian> rgreening: how did you weasel out a uds invite you lucky dog?
[04:45] <rgreening> someone needs to talke care of Riddell and ensure he doesn't spend too much time in the hot tub :)
[04:45] <rgreening> I got picked :)
[04:45] <vorian> mwahaha
[04:45] <rgreening> lol
[04:52] <vishalrao> all you fine dev folks dont forget to smile for the cameras, us users will be watching the uds youtube vids :)
[04:56] <ScottK> I haven't decided for sure if I'm going to sign the waiver to let myself be videoed.
[04:57] <ScottK> rgreening: Was it a big deal last time if one didn't?
[04:57] <rgreening> ScottK: no.
[04:57] <ScottK> Thanks
[04:57] <rgreening> :)
[04:58] <rgreening> in the romms, there were spots to sit outside the perview of the camera
[04:58] <vishalrao> we can still hear you then? mwahaha
[04:58] <rgreening> only if he speaks...
[04:59] <rgreening> but in scotts case, Im not expecting silence :) haha
[04:59] <ScottK> Don't worry.   The only way to get me not to talk in a meeting is not to invite me.
[04:59] <rgreening> hehe
[05:02] <rgreening> JontheEchidna: does your weather thing work in 4.3 beta?
[06:40] <jussi01> Hrm, lots of weirdness in 4.3 beta (jaunty). no wallpapapers, panel is all messed up, have I done someting wrong
[06:40] <jussi01> ?
[06:43] <ScottK> You've installed a beta?
[06:43] <jussi01> which is the debugging package I need to report useful bug with plasma?
[06:43]  * jussi01 hugs ScottK
[06:46] <jussi01> ScottK: I guess, as with most things in the morning it got worded wrong. (its a8.45, I havent woken up properly yet) I was more attempting to ask if anyone else has experienced such issues, and if so, have they reported a bug?
[06:47]  * ScottK is still on 4.2.2
[06:47] <jussi01> ScottK: do you have an answer for my other question? (re: plasma)
[06:48] <ScottK> No, it's very late here and I'm not very coherent
[06:48] <jussi01> ScottK: ok. :)  sleep well then
[07:12] <tsimpson> jussi01: kdebase-workspace-dbg
[07:15] <woodbj> Hello all, just a question has everything finished being uploaded for KDE 4.3 because when i install kubuntu-desktop from ubuntu 9.10 i can log into KDE but the plasmiods don't work (i can't use launcher to get programs or anything)
[07:16] <nixternal> woodbj: nope
[07:16] <nixternal> lots has been uploaded, but the build servers are harmered as well
[07:17] <woodbj> so how much longer do you think the kde 4.3 desktop will be up and running
[07:17] <nixternal> no idea
[07:17] <nixternal> probably the next few days...we found more bugs today that need to get taken care of warrant some rebuilding as well
[07:18] <woodbj> ok thanks for the hard work
[07:19] <jussi01> thanks tsimpson
[07:22] <jussi01> JontheEchidna: or whoever is interested in kde4.3 stuff: http://paste.ubuntu.com/175428/
[09:50] <Mamarok> folks, could we please put a "for experienced users only" in the 4.3 beta announcement?
[09:50] <Mamarok> I'm sick of noobs who rush into it and then break their system
[10:06] <Tm_T> Mamarok: there isn't that?
[10:06] <Mamarok> Tm_T: guess...
[10:07] <Tm_T> there isn't, hrrrrrr
[10:07] <Mamarok> we should really do announcements with the user in mind...
[10:07] <Mamarok> and most users are just noobs
[10:35] <sebas> Mamarok: committed :)
[10:57] <Nightrose> but yea - good idea nontheless
[10:57] <Nightrose> sebas: she was talking about the announcement on kubuntu.org i think
[10:58] <sebas> Ah, context ... :)
[10:58] <Nightrose> hehe
[10:58] <Tm_T> :---P
[10:59] <sebas> It's actually the secon time I write "aah ... context" in the last few minutes
[11:00]  * Nightrose hands sebas some instant context - add water when needed :D
[11:05]  * sebas throws it in his morning pina colada and stirs ... eeerh shakes
[11:07] <Nightrose> hmmmm morning pina colada...
[11:07] <Nightrose> *drool*
[11:08] <Mamarok> Nightrose: at that time of the day?
[11:08] <Nightrose> hmm ok - little late for a morning pina colada
[11:08] <Nightrose> true
[11:08]  * Nightrose would like one anyway
[11:09] <Mamarok> I actually understood that you were drinking ...
[11:09] <sebas> It's never too late for a morning PC
[11:10]  * Sput prefers a morning bloody mary
[11:11] <Sput> that sweet stuff doesn't taste :)
[11:11] <tsimpson> *grumble* why are there 5990 builds waiting for i386 in PPAs...
[11:12] <Mamarok> Sput: agreed, that's more my style too :)
[11:12] <Mamarok> but then, a Swimmingpool...
[11:12] <Sput> meh, max one, and after that I need beer or something spicy
[11:27] <Mamarok> mgraesslin: forget about that xenoterracide chap, he is a real pain...
[11:29] <mgraesslin> Mamarok: yeah I just decided that for myself, too :-)
[11:30] <mgraesslin> I'm really sick of people blaming kwin for the intel problems
[13:20] <JontheEchidna> *yawn*
[13:26] <jjesse> JontheEchidna: still having problems with the update on kdebase-runtime-data and kdebase-workspace-dev
[13:27] <JontheEchidna> really? that's weird
[13:27] <jjesse> JontheEchidna: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/175616/
[13:28] <jjesse> hrmm wife is ready for break fast so i'll read scroll
[13:28] <JontheEchidna> ok  -dev one is new, I think.
[13:31] <vorian> JontheEchidna: http://paste.ubuntu.com/175347/
[13:33] <JontheEchidna> I don't get the kdebase-runtime-data one :(
[13:34] <JontheEchidna> that oxygen.themerc file is not in kde-icons-oxygen
[13:34] <JontheEchidna> and kdebase-runtime-data should  properly replace the last version that did
[13:34] <ScottK> tsimpson: Test rebuild of the archive.  They're all scored with a low priority so they only go when there's no regular uploads waiting.
[13:36] <ScottK> qt4-x11 is two hours past where it died last time on armel, so we may be in business.
[13:44] <JontheEchidna> So, if peeps gonna be pelting me with pastebin links, I might as well pelt back: http://imagebin.ca/view/CDOg2_4q.html
[13:44]  * rgreening is sooo tired
[13:45] <rgreening> JontheEchidna: how do yo umake the plasma weather thingy work... I get only a blank blue screen
[13:45] <rgreening> no weather here...
[13:45] <rgreening> lol
[13:46]  * ScottK was about to say nice weather there.
[13:46] <rgreening> heh
[13:46] <JontheEchidna> rgreening: are you using the NOAA weather service?
[13:46] <JontheEchidna> the wallpaper has this thing where it won't work with the NOAA
[13:47] <JontheEchidna> because the weather dataengine won't return an icon name for the weather since it'd have to write cases for the 200 different weather condition strings that the NOAA returns
[13:47] <rgreening> JontheEchidna: I open Desktop Settings and config Wallpaper to Weather. Select Env Canada, and St. John's...
[13:47] <JontheEchidna> oh, env canada
[13:47] <JontheEchidna> I've not tried that yet, I don't think
[13:47]  * ScottK wonders what the color for 'cold' is for the wallpaper
[13:48] <rgreening> hmm... nevermind. seems to have worked this morning...
[13:48] <rgreening> strange.
[13:48] <rgreening> yesterday it was solid blue.
[13:48] <rgreening> JontheEchidna: do you have pics for all weather?
[13:49] <JontheEchidna> as much weather as the weather dataengine gives us, yes.
[13:49] <rgreening> maybe it was missing one and defaulted to no pic ( and used my dfefault background color)
[13:49] <JontheEchidna> if it gets weather-none-available or can't connect to the internet it falls back to the default wallpaper
[13:50] <rgreening> and default wound be no paper is wall[paper was enabled, no?
[13:50] <JontheEchidna> nope
[13:50] <rgreening> wallpaper weather I mean
[13:50] <JontheEchidna> I mean, it sets the image and the image for the default wallpaper
[13:50] <JontheEchidna> s/and/as
[13:51] <rgreening> hmm... and if it never ran successfully once, then no wallpaper.
[13:51] <rgreening> hence my blue screen I suspect.
[13:51] <JontheEchidna> maybe
[13:52] <rgreening> maybe we need a default pic for no weather...
[13:52] <rgreening> :P
[13:52] <rgreening> like the color bars when a channel is off air.. hahahha
[13:52] <ScottK> rgreening: He's not old enough to know what that is.
[13:53] <rgreening> lol
[13:53] <JontheEchidna> I've seen those
[13:53] <ScottK>  ... in movies
[13:53] <rgreening> beeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee..... eeeee...... This is a test of the emergency broadcast system.
[13:53] <JontheEchidna> no, on PBS at like 5 am in the morning before anything was on
[13:53] <JontheEchidna> 10 years ago
[13:54] <JontheEchidna> or maybe it wasn't PBS, but one of the channels near it
[13:54] <rgreening> JontheEchidna: anyway, the weather app is tres cool (now that it works 4 me)
[13:54] <JontheEchidna> the ones with all the ads near the end of the channels our antenna would receive
[13:54] <vorian> I remember when fox went to a network broadcast
[13:54] <vorian> we had to get a round antenna
[13:56] <rgreening> JontheEchidna: is there a way to reconf the wallpapers?
[13:56] <rgreening> just curious.,.,.
[13:57] <JontheEchidna> like, change the wallpaper for a certain weather condition?
[13:57] <rgreening> sure
[13:57] <JontheEchidna> nope, can't do that at the moment :(
[13:58] <JontheEchidna> I ran in to some techincal problems when the wallpaper got ported over to libplasmaweather
[13:58] <JontheEchidna> libplasmaweather provided a qwidget for the configuration interface, and I don't know how to properly add a pushbutton for the advanced dialog to the configwidget's layout
[13:59] <JontheEchidna> otherwise most of the advanced config code is there
[13:59] <rgreening> ah
[14:01] <JontheEchidna> http://websvn.kde.org/trunk/KDE/kdeplasma-addons/wallpapers/weather/weatherwallpaper.cpp?revision=954189&view=markup
[14:02] <JontheEchidna> createConfigurationInterace() is where the magic would happen, if I knew how to add a pushbutton to the layout
[14:10] <rgreening> JontheEchidna: I'll take a peek...
[14:10] <rgreening> who knows... :)
[14:18] <rgreening> JontheEchidna: is there an easy way to build just that applet outside workspace?
[14:19] <JontheEchidna> yeah, just a sec
[14:19] <JontheEchidna> or maybe not anymore
[14:20] <JontheEchidna> unless libplasmaweather has development headers
[14:20] <rgreening> JontheEchidna: which package is the weather thing in?
[14:21] <JontheEchidna> kdeplasma-addons
[14:21] <rgreening> k
[14:21] <JontheEchidna> the wallpaper is too, so that makes it easier
[14:21] <JontheEchidna> http://paste.ubuntu.com/175643/ <- you'd add this to get an out-of-souce build, but I don't know if it'll build out of source anymore
[14:21] <JontheEchidna> (to cmakelists.txt)
[14:21] <rgreening> kk
[14:26] <eagles0513875> anything you guys need me to work on
[14:27] <rgreening> JontheEchidna: whats the applet called in kdeplasma-addons
[14:28] <JontheEchidna> it's in wallpapers/weather/
[14:28] <JontheEchidna> rgreening: ^
[14:28] <rgreening> ah
[14:28] <rgreening> thats why I couldnt find it
[14:28] <rgreening> lol
[14:28] <eagles0513875> JontheEchidna: anything i can work on
[14:29] <JontheEchidna> not that I can think of
[14:29] <eagles0513875> ok would upstream but i cant seeing as im on karmic
[14:32] <eagles0513875> JontheEchidna: should i file a bug but not sure against what in regards to kde programs like konqueror and kopete etc their bug reporting program reports them directly upstream
[14:41] <jussi01> JontheEchidna: ping
[14:41] <tsimpson> ScottK: yeah, I realised a few seconds after I said that
[14:41] <JontheEchidna> jussi01: pong
[14:42] <jussi01> JontheEchidna: just curious, Im getting crashes with gwenview, have you experienced that? http://paste.ubuntu.com/175667/
[14:42]  * JontheEchidna isn't a regular user of gwenview, tbh
[14:44] <JontheEchidna> looking at the log, it could be an isue with the new folder view feature
[14:44] <JontheEchidna> not to be confused with plasma's folderview
[14:45] <jussi01> JontheEchidna: just amissing dep? or some actual issue?
[14:45] <JontheEchidna> probably an actual issue
[14:45] <JontheEchidna> I can't think of any dep that would be missing
[14:54] <rgreening> JontheEchidna: http://paste.ubuntu.com/175677/
[14:54] <rgreening> I haven't tested yet... but in theory...
[14:56] <JontheEchidna> out of curiosity, any reason for a plasma pushbutton inside a normal config dialog?
[14:56] <rgreening> oops.. copy/paste error
[14:56] <rgreening> should be regular KPushbutton
[14:59] <rgreening> and it'll need to include the header KPushutton...
[15:00]  * JontheEchidna tests
[15:00] <rgreening> JontheEchidna: more like this... http://paste.ubuntu.com/175683/
[15:00] <JontheEchidna> the part that takes a while :(
[15:01] <rgreening> heh
[15:02] <JontheEchidna> the best attempt I had got a window to appear for a split second whent he config dialog was open
[15:02] <rgreening> lol
[15:03] <JontheEchidna> subclassing things isn't my strong suit
[15:11] <rgreening> JontheEchidna: no guarantees what I have will a) compile b) do what we want. :)
[15:11] <rgreening> but in theory...
[15:14] <Nightrose> JontheEchidna: who besied you can I poke into having a look at the Amarok crash? we _really_ need beta 2 packages for kubuntu to get testing
[15:14] <Nightrose> I want to release 2.1 final next but without more testing I can't do that
[15:14] <JontheEchidna> umm
[15:15] <Nightrose> sorry for being such a pita about it :/
[15:15] <JontheEchidna> don't worry, I understand where you're coming from... not having packages for this long is not good
[15:15] <JontheEchidna> hmm
[15:15] <eagles0513875> Nightrose: let me know if you need a tester
[15:16] <JontheEchidna> everybody's away at UDS, aren't they...
[15:16] <Nightrose> eagles0513875: heh i need packagers first :D
[15:16] <Nightrose> then testers
[15:16] <Nightrose> JontheEchidna: yea - looks like it
[15:16] <txwikinger_work> JontheEchidna: UDS is cancelled because of swineflu ;)
[15:16] <eagles0513875> Nightrose: does it need to be packaged still
[15:16] <Nightrose> yes
[15:17] <Nightrose> well or rather one nasty bug fixed so the packages are usable
[15:17] <eagles0513875> Nightrose: mind if i pm ya
[15:17]  * Nightrose would rather speak here quickly as I have to go back to programming really soon
[15:17] <eagles0513875> ill be willing to repackage with mentorship
[15:18] <JontheEchidna> Nightrose: I think I might be able to take another look later today
[15:18] <JontheEchidna> it's just that I've been really, really busy lately :(
[15:18] <seele> UDS is next week i thought
[15:18] <Nightrose> JontheEchidna: ok thanks
[15:18] <Nightrose> yea I know - we all are ;-)
[15:18] <Nightrose> seele: canonical all hands is now iirc
[15:19] <Nightrose> and uds next week
[15:19] <JontheEchidna> oh, that's what I'm thinking of
[15:19] <JontheEchidna> Riddell left the country so I assumed that either a) he's running from the law or b) going to UDS
[15:19] <seele> Nightrose: right, but that's just Riddell and agateau for us
[15:19] <Nightrose> rofl JontheEchidna
[15:19] <Nightrose> seele: *nod*
[15:20] <JontheEchidna> txwikinger_work: http://doihaveswineflu.org
[15:20] <JontheEchidna> bbl
[15:20]  * Nightrose goes back to trying to understand VTK
[15:21] <txwikinger_work> JontheEchidna: ROFL
[15:21] <txwikinger_work> JontheEchidna: Or he is running for Speaker
[15:22] <rgreening> JontheEchidna: I'll figure out the kdeplasma-addons thing. It's building here. If it works, I'll ask to get it uploaded. If it doesn't I'll debug. You go on and do the Amarok thingy :)
[15:23] <eagles0513875> is there any place special to report any testing done on the network manager plasma widget in currently in karmic
[15:29] <rgreening> JontheEchidna: any idea why patches/kubuntu_01_qt_phonon.diff was disabled in kdeplasma-addons?
[15:32] <rgreening> I think it is required (at least in my pbuilder bball fails without the patch).
[15:41] <JontheEchidna> rgreening: it doesn't look disabled in bzr
[15:41] <JontheEchidna> it doesn't work in jaunty, so I disabled it there
[15:42] <JontheEchidna> (we aren't using Qt phonon in jaunty)
[15:43] <rgreening> JontheEchidna: hmmm... well something is amiss... maybe I am using the wrong pbuildr. though it was jaunty...
[15:43] <neversfelde> is a missing kontact icon a known problem for 4.2.3?
[15:46] <JontheEchidna> rgreening: my kdeplasma-addons build is almost done anyway
[15:47] <JontheEchidna> 92%
[15:47] <LeeJunFan> lol, wouldn't you know I update to beta 4.3, then for the first time in a month need to use quanta.
[15:49] <JontheEchidna> oh, crap. I forgot to rename that to quanta-kde4
[15:49] <JontheEchidna> *kdewebdev-kde4
[15:49] <JontheEchidna> that means it overwrote everbody's kdewebdev D:
[15:49] <JontheEchidna> oops
[15:49] <rgreening> lol
[15:50] <rgreening> JontheEchidna: yeah, my pbuilder was karmic for some stupid reason...
[15:50] <rgreening> dunno how
[15:51] <JontheEchidna> http://img269.imageshack.us/img269/3809/podborlk.jpg
[15:51] <JontheEchidna> rgreening: error: ‘class WeatherConfig’ has no member named ‘mainWidget’
[15:52] <rgreening> yeah... I figured I'd need to tweak that some... let me play with it.
[15:55] <rgreening> JontheEchidna: I have another Idea... give me a few to work it out.
[16:05] <rgreening> JontheEchidna: do you still have the build session open
[16:07] <JontheEchidna> rgreening: I'm not pbuilding it, so yeah I can test
[16:07] <JontheEchidna> just doing a straight debuild
[16:08] <rgreening> ok, maybe replace mainWidget with WeatherConfig... not 100% sure.
[16:15] <JontheEchidna> rgreening: error: invalid use of ‘class WeatherConfig’
[16:15] <rgreening> hrmm.. remove that altogether
[16:15] <rgreening> maybe it can be a direct child.
[16:15] <JontheEchidna> I did that and it said I had to be a QLayout
[16:16] <rgreening> 1 sec.
[16:19] <rgreening> JontheEchidna: weatherCOnfig not WeatherConfig
[16:19] <rgreening> JontheEchidna: weatherConfig not WeatherConfig
[16:19] <rgreening> lowercase w
[16:19] <rgreening> weatherCOnfig is the widget name in the weatherconfig.ui
[16:19] <rgreening> weatherConfig is the widget name in the weatherconfig.ui
[16:20] <JontheEchidna> oops
[16:21] <rgreening> my fault, I typed it upper to you originally
[16:21] <rgreening> meant lower
[16:22] <rgreening> JontheEchidna: if that works, then it's just formatting and layout to worry about.
[16:23] <JontheEchidna> error: ‘class WeatherConfig’ has no member named ‘weatherConfig’
[16:23] <rgreening> hrmmm
[16:24] <JontheEchidna> eagles0513875: please stop upstreaming bugs, I'm hearing that you are annoying upstream
[16:24] <eagles0513875> ok
[16:26] <rgreening> JontheEchidna: there probably needs ot be a ui-> in there...
[16:26] <rgreening> JontheEchidna: m_configWidget->ui->weatherConfig()->layout()->addItem(mButtonAdvanced);
[16:26] <rgreening> maybe
[16:27] <JontheEchidna> heh, you can see the difficulties I was facing
[16:27] <rgreening> lol
[16:28] <JontheEchidna> nope
[16:28] <rgreening> yeah, basically you need to utilize the weatherconfig.ui (defined by the ui member var of the WeatherConfig Class and add the button...
[16:28] <JontheEchidna> hmm
[16:28] <JontheEchidna> error: ‘class WeatherConfig’ has no member named ‘ui’
[16:28] <rgreening> so the weatherConfig() is prob wrong too...
[16:29] <rgreening> wtf
[16:30] <rgreening> JontheEchidna: private shiz is annoying
[16:32] <JontheEchidna> fo shizzle
[16:33] <rgreening> JontheEchidna: you may be forced to sub class to get around the privatization.
[16:34] <ikonia> ScottK: ping when you're free please
[16:34] <rgreening> JontheEchidna: where does the "Configure..." plasma button come from?
[16:34] <JontheEchidna> configure plasma button?
[16:34] <rgreening> plasmoidviewer weather
[16:35] <rgreening> see the button...
[16:35] <JontheEchidna> oh, that's setNeedsConfiguration or something
[16:35] <JontheEchidna> it's part of the plasma api
[16:36] <JontheEchidna> can't use it for wallpapes since they're just a pixmap painted to the screen though
[16:37] <JontheEchidna> Plasma::Wallpaper has a similar function for notifying the user that the wallpaper needs configured, but it currently doesn't do anything
[16:38] <JontheEchidna> probably something for 4.4
[16:47] <rgreening> JontheEchidna: I was just thinking, why use weatherAdvanced.ui in the WeatherWallpaper::createConfigurationInterface function and add a button for the Weather config and have it launch the weather config box.
[16:47] <rgreening> so, instead you get to choose wallpapers up front, and then set the weather via a Configure Weather button.
[16:53] <rgreening> JontheEchidna: so basically, I think you reverse the createConfigurationInterface and showAdvancedDialog with some minor tweaks and connecting of correct signals.
[17:22] <txwikinger_work> firefox is totally unusable when you use nfs mount for home
[17:33] <rgreening> JontheEchidna: ok, I have another idea... trying now.
[17:34] <Quintasan> hiho
[18:27] <rgreening> Reminder: Ad-hoc meeting/discussion - UDS, Ayatana, notify-osd and Kubuntu - 30 minutes from now...
[18:32] <rgreening> seele, vorian, JontheEchidna, nixternal, etc... ^
[18:32] <nixternal> roger that
[18:33] <rgreening> For the meeting, here's a link to my post: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/kubuntu-devel/2009-May/002859.html
[18:56] <rgreening> Reminder: Ad-hoc meeting/discussion - UDS, Ayatana, notify-osd and Kubuntu - 5 minutes from now...
[18:56] <rgreening> JontheEchidna: ping
[18:56] <rgreening> JontheEchidna: I got it working...
[18:57] <JontheEchidna> whoa, nice
[18:57] <JontheEchidna> what's the trick?
[18:57] <rgreening> small patch. minor layout issue to solve...
[18:58] <JontheEchidna> out of curiosity, how is the advanced settings dialog working for you?
[18:58] <JontheEchidna> it's probably the most least-tested feature since nobody can use it :P
[18:58] <seele> rgreening: ok, but i have a phone call at 14:30 so my attention will be split
[18:58] <rgreening> JontheEchidna: http://imagebin.ca/view/Fo85PN.html
[18:59] <rgreening> seele: np
[18:59] <JontheEchidna> cool
[18:59] <JontheEchidna> oh, it should be "Advanced..." but that's very minor atm I suppose
[18:59] <rgreening> JontheEchidna: the button needs to be moved into a proper layout below the others... and give me a name instead of advanced :)
[19:00] <rgreening> JontheEchidna: but at least it works. the dialog can be re-worked once this button works.
[19:00] <rgreening> Meeting: start...
[19:00] <rgreening> So, who is here and has some input for UDS and Ayatana?
[19:01] <JontheEchidna> I don't have any input, but it'd probably be interesting to watch
[19:01] <JontheEchidna> #ubuntu-meeting ?
[19:01] <rgreening> JontheEchidna: never booked it, and I think theres a meeting there
[19:01] <rgreening> Here's the ref e-mail... https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/kubuntu-devel/2009-May/002859.html
[19:02] <JontheEchidna> oh, an impromptu meeting here
[19:02] <rgreening> nixternal: do you have any input you'd like to provide?
[19:03] <rgreening> I'd really like to go to UDS and feel that I have the "developers" general thoughts and not simply what I "think" they are...
[19:03]  * nixternal looks at scrollback
[19:04] <JontheEchidna> I personally think that creating a whole new notification system is counterproductive
[19:04] <JontheEchidna> But if they do feel a need to write one, I hope it'll be pluggable with knotify
[19:04] <nixternal> honestly, I don't think we will have to worry much about ayatana for Karmic, I don't think we should look at incorporating it until Karmic+1
[19:05] <rgreening> JontheEchidna: I believe that is likely the concensus here. Does anyone else feel this way or have a differing view?
[19:05] <nixternal> if you follow the ayatana list, ScottK or myself got them to admit that they just started researching the KDE aspect of it
[19:05] <rgreening> nixternal: that may or may not be the case, though I'd have to agree with "it may be too soon".
[19:05] <nixternal> I think they need to fix the main implementation before we add it to Kubuntu
[19:05] <nixternal> we need to stop implementing shit here that isn't ready
[19:05] <nixternal> read: KPackageKit
[19:05] <jussi01> nixternal: +1 from me on thatr
[19:06] <rgreening> true, though KPackageKit is in much better shape :)
[19:06] <nixternal> rgreening: how wouldn't that be the case?
[19:06] <nixternal> it is up the KC in the first place on allowing ayatana into Kubuntu
[19:06] <rgreening> nixternal: depends on how fast they get into developing... I guess.
[19:06] <nixternal> and as it stands, I would vote -1 on it, as it isn't even close to being acceptable by many standards
[19:06] <JontheEchidna> at least adept reliably installs stuff... The slightest bit of load and with KPackageKit you get "backend timeout - you need to fork" though that's more of a packagekit issue in general
[19:07] <JontheEchidna> [/offtopic]
[19:07] <rgreening> nixternal: I agree. I think the main concern here is ensuring that whatever Ayatana becomes fits with the core ethos of Kubuntu, and would be acceptable to the KC.
[19:07] <nixternal> rgreening: how is kpackagekit in better shape? it might have just as many bugs as ayatana :p
[19:07] <rgreening> :)
[19:07] <nixternal> rgreening: right, which is why I say Karmic+1
[19:07] <rgreening> ok, we've got a few comments thus far... seele? thoughts?
[19:08] <nixternal> now don't get me wrong, we should work closely with ayatana devs during the Karmic cycle, and offer ayatana in universe for testing during Karmic
[19:08] <rgreening> vorian: ?
[19:08] <nixternal> nothing more than that I feel
[19:08] <rgreening> nixternal: I tend to agree. Not installed by default, but available for testing seems to be a good path to take.
[19:09] <rgreening> I think demonstrating the whole KDE 4.3 systray and new notifications and collapsing is worth a look by the Ayatana team.
[19:09] <jussi01> I think we need to make sure we are working closely with them, so we make sure that when things need to be iimplemented, we can simply and easily and things are ready at release time. (IMHO)
[19:09] <rgreening> jussi01: good point.
[19:11] <nixternal> actually, they need to be working closely with KDE as well and the new notification stuff
[19:11] <nixternal> seeing as we probably wouldn't consider shipping ayatana until about 4.4
[19:12] <jussi01> nixternal: yes, they do need to work closely with kde, but we can help facilitate that by making sure we stay close to tham and keep the dialogue open
[19:12] <rgreening> So, thus far the concensus seems to be 1) why re-implement notifications 2) not installed by default - lets have in universe for testing 3) we need to work close with Ayatana 4) Ayatana should work with KDE upstream to look at integration rather than reimplementation
[19:12] <nixternal> jussi01: yes and no, seeing as it is canonical devs working on it, they shouldn't need our baby sitting, at least I hope they don't
[19:13] <rgreening> Are there any other concerns than what we meantioned?
[19:13] <jussi01> rgreening: apart from the aliens coming to eat us? :D
[19:13] <rgreening> heh
[19:14] <JontheEchidna> jussi01: if you see a blue telephone box, just stay near that
[19:14] <jussi01> hehe
[19:14] <JontheEchidna> you should be ok :D
[19:14] <rgreening> For me, I hope to get a look at their spec and see what KDE 4.3 and upcoming 4.4 supports and make a comparizon.
[19:14] <JontheEchidna> part of the thing is that they have different ideas on how the design should be
[19:14] <nixternal> kpackagekit
[19:14] <nixternal> you read the reviews for Kubuntu 9.04? they all pretty much say "KPackageKit blows cat toes"
[19:14] <nixternal> that needs to come up to speed...who all is working on kpackagekit?
[19:14] <nixternal> and I am not saying kpackagekit is bad, I am just saying it might not be ready for primetime
[19:15] <rgreening> I think a few of the newer features in 4.3 have addressed some of the issues being solved by Ayatana.
[19:15] <nixternal> stupid freenode
[19:15]  * Mamarok tries to find out what Ayatana is exactly
[19:15] <JontheEchidna> though I think it'd really be easier to modify knotify than to make something completely new
[19:15]  * nixternal wishes Ubuntu would have gone OFTC back in the day when we had the chance to
[19:15] <JontheEchidna> maybe cram tons of config knobs in the config dialog, but that seems a bit too KDE :P
[19:16] <JontheEchidna> Well, last time people were going "Adept blows! Use KPackageKit!"
[19:16] <nixternal> OMG I HATE FREENODE!
[19:16] <JontheEchidna> neither are... optimal
[19:16]  * seele is afk, sorry
[19:17] <nixternal> JontheEchidna: true, but adept is better than kpackagekit at this time
[19:17] <JontheEchidna> I totally agree
[19:17] <harolddong> the beta is a little sluggish overall compared to 4.2
[19:17] <nixternal> people can't install stuff with kpackagekit
[19:17] <JontheEchidna> Adept, at least, works.
[19:17] <nixternal> and god forbid they have to use the command line :)
[19:17] <JontheEchidna> even if the search requires a bit of intelligent searching
[19:17] <nixternal> and that stupid Light Bulb icon, can we get rid of that crap since it doesn't do anything useful that I have yet to see?
[19:18]  * jussi01 hugs nixternal... there there
[19:18] <harolddong> kpackagekit is drag... adept is way better but aptitude is still ops
[19:18] <JontheEchidna> oh, that gives upgrade hook notifications such as "you need to restart firefox before it throws assert errors at you"
[19:18] <rgreening> JontheEchidna, seele, nixternal, vorian, jussi01, and anyone else... if you have additonal comments, ideas: please e-mail them to me: roderick.greening AT gmail.com.
[19:18] <JontheEchidna> that lightblub icon
[19:18] <JontheEchidna> lol, blub
[19:18] <nixternal> hehe
[19:18] <jussi01> rgreening: sure
[19:18]  * Mamarok admits she still uses synaptic...
[19:19]  * JontheEchidna just uses apt-get, and adept when he feels the need to use a GUI
[19:19] <JontheEchidna> I rarely use a GUI, though
[19:19] <Mamarok> well, either that or aptitude
[19:19] <jussi01> JontheEchidna: +1
[19:19] <Mamarok> but we have users to consider
[19:20] <jussi01> ok, rant over, now is there other stuff we need to talk about?
[19:20] <rgreening> ty for your time folks. I think I have the general concensus of the kubuntu developers. I'll compile this and use this at UDS to work with Ayatana tem. Hopefully, this will be beneficial to all.
[19:20] <rgreening> Meeting End:
[19:20] <jussi01> :)
[19:20] <nixternal> Lancelot by default?
[19:20] <jussi01> *g*
[19:20]  * Mamarok larts nixternal 
[19:20] <nixternal> though KDE needs to do that and get rid of that crap called kickoff
[19:20] <rgreening> nixternal: not until they get the composite better integrated.
[19:21] <nixternal> rgreening: have you tried it lately? it is a beauty in my trunk build
[19:21]  * jussi01 is loving it... U2, a can of Lager, and nixternal :D
[19:21] <rgreening> lancelot looks unpolished :)
[19:21] <nixternal> I actually kiss my LCD everytime I click it open :)
[19:21] <harolddong> when I use the default kde 4 menu it just feels like i'm using a menu but when I use lancelot my nipples get hard
[19:21] <rgreening> nixternal: 4.3
[19:21] <rgreening> is what I am using.
[19:21] <nixternal> kickoff lacks polish, imitates either vista or gnome menu, haven't figured it out which came first
[19:21] <nixternal> ummmm
[19:22] <JontheEchidna> oh! We should use the "map plasma containments to virtual desktop" feature for 4.3
[19:22] <JontheEchidna> it seems to be working fairly well, now
[19:22] <rgreening> JontheEchidna: http://paste.ubuntu.com/175847/
[19:22] <nixternal> i was joking btw about lancelot by default :p
[19:23] <nixternal> NETWORKMANGLER!!!
[19:23] <nixternal> that is something we need to figure out for Karmic
[19:23] <nixternal> if that plasmoid does not come up to speed during this cycle, we need to figure out an escape plan
[19:23] <JontheEchidna> it should come up to speed, since opensuse will be using it for their next release
[19:23] <nixternal> i think it is the winner for the worst part of Kubuntu 9.04 :)
[19:23] <nixternal> oh lord
[19:23] <rgreening> JontheEchidna: the paste contains the current patch for weather.
[19:24] <JontheEchidna> unforunately we released before they did...
[19:24] <nixternal> opensuse got rid of all of their kde devs, so who is working on it?
[19:24] <nixternal> or novell did rather
[19:24] <JontheEchidna> they did?
[19:24] <rgreening> ls
[19:24] <jussi01> bollocks!
[19:24] <nixternal> i know it left nasty tastes in some devs mouths and some have even split from irc last I looked
[19:24] <rgreening> lol
[19:24] <nixternal> rgreening: ls doesn't work in IRC goofball!
[19:24] <JontheEchidna> rm -rf rgreening
[19:24] <nixternal> neither does cd ../, so I need to quit trying to go back one window with that
[19:24] <nixternal> hahaha
[19:25] <rgreening> chmod 777 rgreening before deleting
[19:26] <nixternal> what else...oh, artwork, any plans on customizing Kubuntu again in the future?
[19:26] <nixternal> i know it would be nothing more than maybe a color scheme and wallpaper, but something to distinguish a default install
[19:26] <nixternal> other than "well you know it is kubuntu because this, that, and that are broken"
[19:26] <nixternal> ;p
[19:27] <nixternal> this == networkmangler, that == kpackagekit, and the other that.....can't remember wth it was now
[19:27] <nixternal> what was the 3rd big complaint for 9.04
[19:27] <nixternal> oh, intel? but that isn't our fault
[19:28] <JontheEchidna> yeah
[19:28] <nixternal> what we also need to do this go round is all marketing/publicity related as well, we have fallen big time in that field
[19:28] <JontheEchidna> luckily, very little complaints about our KDE packages :)
[19:28] <nixternal> right
[19:28] <nixternal> our packages were great like always, good job to you all for that
[19:29] <nixternal> rgreening: who is your roommate for UDS?
[19:29] <nixternal> have you warned them yet?
[19:29] <JontheEchidna> somehow we got a bad reputation for our KDE packages in hardy
[19:29] <Mamarok> nixternal: not all of them...
[19:29] <rgreening> ScottK...
[19:29] <nixternal> JontheEchidna: yes, but uneducated people
[19:29] <JontheEchidna> which we've been trying to shake off since intrepid
[19:29] <seele> meeting end? sorry my phone call was early
[19:29] <seele> (still on it :( )
[19:29] <JontheEchidna> so we put forth an extra effort to make things rock for jaunty, only to be overshadowed by other problems :(
[19:30] <JontheEchidna> oh well
[19:30] <jussi01> btw, someone want to upload a fixed version of gwenview to the experimental ppa?
[19:30] <rgreening> seele: that's ok. if you have comments you can still let us know or email to me
[19:30] <JontheEchidna> jussi01: there's a fix?
[19:30] <nixternal> I read the reviews of our packages, I went looking around and this is what I noticed: a) we were sharing patches with other distros, we had a few patches from openSUSE, and they had some of our patches, and then there was this one that everyone is making a stink of, they have all  of our patches, do it exactly like us, yet say they are better, I won't say any names of course, but arch you glad I am keeping that to myself?
[19:30] <JontheEchidna> lol
[19:31] <jussi01> JontheEchidna: I heard a report of someone today using trunk that it worked... but then again, could be wrong. worth a look though
[19:31] <nixternal> JontheEchidna: you like that one? :)
[19:31] <JontheEchidna> heh, yeah
[19:31] <nixternal> plus they package a couple of binaries because they haven't figured out how to build the package yet :)
[19:32] <JontheEchidna> rofl
[19:32] <JontheEchidna> We were also packaging more bindings than most anybody else, until somebody got the novel idea to build more of them :P
[19:33] <nixternal> it might be the bindings package, and the other one, I read a mailing llist or forums post on it, and it was compiled on the guys machine with super fast flags added, and then he just packaged the binary until he/they can figure out how to do it in the build
[19:33] <JontheEchidna> (this is less of a jab and more of a way to get in a pun)
[19:33] <jussi01> so where have we screwed up? Im more interested in that...
[19:33] <JontheEchidna> whoa, coincidence that we were both talking about bindings? I think not!
[19:34] <JontheEchidna> bindings is hella hard to package
[19:34] <nixternal> speaking of bindings, I ran into a guy at the book store who was running Kubuntu...he saw my stickers and approached me, and he told me that the prepackaged bindings was the reason he was using Kubuntu, I guess the .NET garbage is why
[19:34] <nixternal> which I didn't even realize we had Qyoto packaged up
[19:34] <nixternal> I remember looking at it last year, and the though of suicide filled my soul
[19:34] <JontheEchidna> hehe
[19:35] <nixternal> JontheEchidna: bindings is hella hard to freakin' build let alone package :)
[19:35] <JontheEchidna> truths
[19:36] <nixternal> oh, quassel
[19:37] <JontheEchidna> Quassel's not bad, though I must admit I do prefer konvi
[19:37] <nixternal> that is something I wanted to ask about..is there any good documentation on setting it up...ie. I want my headless server to run the core and then be able to connect to it externally like I do irssi?
[19:37] <nixternal> can you script quassel like konvi?
[19:37] <nixternal> the scripting is what made konvi nice
[19:37] <nixternal> I have been thinking about ditching everything I do in my terminal for a GUI big brother
[19:38] <nixternal> ie. Irssi for Quassel, Mutt for KMail, Bitlbee for Kopete
[19:38] <nixternal> though I really like my terminal, and probably won't be able to function without it
[19:39] <JontheEchidna> dunno about scripting
[19:39] <nixternal> I love how I have one window for those 3 things, and just one tab
[19:39] <smarter> nixternal: simple: launch quasselcore on your server, make sure port 4242 isn't blocked(shouldn't be by default), launch quasselclient on your desktop, File --> Connect to Core --> "New"(or whatever it's called), follow the instructions
[19:39] <nixternal> of course the machine that my irssi is running on is also got quite a few screens
[19:40] <nixternal> smarter: rock! and I can setup like "Connect Internal" and "Connect External", 2 connections for the same core?
[19:40] <nixternal> external being when I am not at home
[19:40] <JontheEchidna> rgreening: oh, and if you're curious you can test wallpapers without restarting plasma using plasmawallpaperviewer -p weather
[19:40] <smarter> nixternal: you can have multiple core for one client
[19:40] <nixternal> rock on
[19:40] <smarter> and choose the one you want, even if they really are the same
[19:41] <Mamarok> JontheEchidna: any idea how long it will take to have a working 4.3 beta in the repos?
[19:41] <nixternal> smarter: did you mean multiple client for one core?
[19:41] <smarter> oh, didn't understand what you mean, that too yes :)
[19:41] <nixternal> does quassel handle ssl?
[19:41] <smarter> yes
[19:41] <JontheEchidna> Mamarok: http://www.kubuntu.org/node/81
[19:42] <nixternal> oh man, it is sounding better every second
[19:42] <nixternal> I just hate gui apps, but I love KDE...I don't get it
[19:42] <smarter> nixternal: the quassel package for Kubuntu create an SSL key when it's installed
[19:42] <Mamarok> JontheEchidna: I keep getting reports of problems with kdebase
[19:42] <smarter> nixternal: if you're being a NAT(router), you'll probably need to set it up so that it redirects port 4242 to the computer running the core
[19:42] <JontheEchidna> Mamarok: I'd be interesting in seeing the installation logs, in that case
[19:43] <JontheEchidna> if could could, could you run sudo apt-get install -f and post the log?
[19:43] <JontheEchidna> blah
[19:43] <Mamarok> JontheEchidna: right, will ask foe then :)
[19:43] <JontheEchidna> could could could
[19:43] <Mamarok> for* even
[19:43] <Mamarok> JontheEchidna: it's not me, had a few users talking about today
[19:43] <JontheEchidna> what does apachelogger say? That his language parser is broken? It seems mine is too :P
[19:45] <Mamarok> :)
[19:45] <Mamarok> you should see me type when I am really tired...
[19:50] <JontheEchidna> hehe
[19:51] <JontheEchidna> !!!
[19:51] <JontheEchidna> rgreening: I may have a simpler solution, that compiles
[19:51] <JontheEchidna> gotta wait for deb generation to test it though
[19:51] <rgreening> simpler? show me :)
[19:52] <JontheEchidna> it adds it to the existing layout
[19:52] <JontheEchidna> and if firefox would just peddle faster...
[19:52] <JontheEchidna> http://paste.ubuntu.com/175870/ <-my configinterface function
[19:53] <rgreening> funny, I was just on that same track
[19:53] <rgreening> hahah
[19:53] <JontheEchidna> WeatherConfig is a QWidget itself, so all you have to do is get the layout from it
[19:53] <rgreening> +    QLayout *layout = m_configWidget->layout;
[19:53] <rgreening> +    layout->addWidget(mButtonAdvanced);
[19:53] <JontheEchidna> wonder if this will work, even if it compiles...
[19:53] <rgreening> yep. should work
[19:53] <rgreening> and should follow proper layout.
[19:54] <rgreening> My patch broke the existing layout.
[19:54] <JontheEchidna> if only I found out how to do this before string freeze :(
[19:54] <rgreening> you never asked me. two head better than one :P
[19:54] <JontheEchidna> I still have to make a "credit label" for the weather sources, so maybe I can sneak that in too?
[19:54] <JontheEchidna> if not, we can always patch Ubuntu's packages :P
[19:54] <JontheEchidna> though I'd feel bad about that...
[19:55] <JontheEchidna> but not *too* bad :P
[19:55] <rgreening> lol
[19:55]  * rgreening likes cred :P
[19:56] <JontheEchidna> and, if I recall, somebody was having real life happen to them around the time of string freeze
[19:56] <JontheEchidna> well, you and me both
[19:59] <JontheEchidna> rgreening: it works!
[19:59] <rgreening> yay
[20:00] <rgreening> so, one other thing. the new dialog should disable the parent (you know so you can't click/close it). but thats not that important. you def should get that patch in for 4.4 as well as a patch for Kubuntu.
[20:10] <JontheEchidna> huh, the "change the wallpaper for the weather condition" feature doesn't work anymore...
[20:12] <jussi01> did I mentiion U2 Rocks?
[20:13] <JontheEchidna> well, the color setting works. That's an obnoxious orange
[20:28] <nixternal> yowser, kde 4.3 really mucks up the panel
[20:28] <neversfelde> kde 4.3 is useless without a konsole :)
[20:29] <neversfelde> I am a tty1 user now :)
[20:32] <jussi01> nixternal: yep
[20:33] <nixternal> jeesh, wasn't a good idea to upgrade to 4.3 I see
[20:34] <nixternal> though the 4.3 I have built from trunk is way better, though it is built on debian
[20:34] <nixternal> so I am not using mucked up xorg
[20:41] <nixternal> how do you stop x from using 50% cpu?
[20:41] <nixternal> I am going to have to ditch this crap
[20:43] <Mamarok> we need more factoids for KDE, most are for Gnome :(
[20:49] <Tscheesy> nixternal : perhaps you kill all the plasma-config's
[21:01] <txwikinger_work> nixternal: how do you stop using xorg?
[21:05] <nixternal> i don't, switch to another distro for the time being...it was bad in 4.2.3, it is even worse right now in 4.3
[21:13] <jussi01> cripes that on hover over the taskbar thing in 4.3 is annoying...
[21:15] <neversfelde> jussi01: this is not a feature, is it?
[21:15] <jussi01> neversfelde: no idea...
[21:16] <jussi01> neversfelde: I think it is though... or "supposed to be"
[21:16] <neversfelde> this must be a bug, but I am not sure ;)
[21:16] <jussi01> when you hover over a item on the taskbar it brings it to the front... temporarily...
[21:17] <neversfelde> sometimes
[21:29] <JontheEchidna> jussi01: you mean the "make all the other windows transparent when you hover" thing?
[21:29] <JontheEchidna> I turned that off as soon as I found out what was causing it
[21:29] <jussi01> JontheEchidna: yeah
[21:29] <jussi01> JontheEchidna: which is?
[21:29] <JontheEchidna> the kwin effect
[21:30] <JontheEchidna> I forget what it's exactly called
[21:30] <mgraesslin> highlight windows
[21:30] <jussi01> yep
[21:30] <jussi01> just found it
[21:30]  * txwikinger_work wonders when he can again open 60 Konqs with 15 tabs each with 398MB
[21:30] <jussi01> JontheEchidna: thanks
[21:31] <JontheEchidna> Ha! I found the bug with the custom wallpapers
[21:31]  * JontheEchidna cheers
[21:32] <jussi01> JontheEchidna: \o/
[21:32] <JontheEchidna> with the patch, one could have a snowy desktop during a heatwave if they so choosed
[21:53] <KDesk> hi
[21:55] <KDesk> I don't know if this is the correct channel but.. I'm trying to build amarok 2.0.96 with the PPA system. But I get an error after "dh_install -a". How can I fix this?
[21:55] <KDesk> cp: cannot stat `debian/tmp/usr/bin/amarok': No such file or directory
[21:55] <KDesk> dh_install: command returned error code 256
[21:56] <KDesk> Also, Do you know if the semi/official packages already in bulilding are?
[22:15] <Mamarok> JontheEchidna: here you go with the upgrade errors for KDE 4.2.3: http://pastebin.com/m201c1770
[22:21] <JontheEchidna> Mamarok: I need the list of errors after the users accepts
[22:22] <Mamarok> JontheEchidna: I not really want to accept, if this might break my system
[22:22] <JontheEchidna> the installation already failed, correct?
[22:22] <JontheEchidna> then you did sudo apt-get upgrade, which failed
[22:22] <JontheEchidna> then sudo apt-get install -f
[22:23] <JontheEchidna> accepting will only make it try to install the packages that failed last time
[22:23] <JontheEchidna> and fail, just like last time
[22:25] <Mamarok> omg, there are only noobs in #kubuntu today, are we surrounded ?
[22:31] <nixternal> ahhh, I figured out what the issue was with x wasting cycles
[22:32] <nixternal> nitrogen window style == evil!
[22:35] <ryanakca> Mamarok: Anything I can help with?
[22:37] <Mamarok> ryanakca: yes, I would be really glad
[22:39] <Mamarok> I guess it's bed time for me, support since this morning and it's close to midnight here...
[22:40]  * Mamarok has the impression that there are only noobs out ther who break their systems
[22:40] <ryanakca> Mamarok: Night
[23:46] <neversfelde> Sput: is a "startinimized" option for quassel planned? It is the only app here on jaunty that starts maximized in a manually saved session?
[23:47] <neversfelde> s/startinimized/start minimized
[23:57] <BUGabundo> is it just me or did KDEPIM when nuts with latest update on karmic?