[00:00] what does PITA mean? [00:01] Pain In The A$$ [00:01] oh [00:03] bruce_: you know, like kebab [00:04] whats a kebab? === d is now known as justyup [00:05] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kebab (northern african food, often called pita) [00:05] oh yes I know about that [00:05] pita bread? [00:05] yes, it's sold in stores here [00:06] silly joke :p [00:08] ok, so does anyone know why kate and kpackagekit crash when I exet them? Is it a bug?? [00:08] exit === Kernel is now known as Wicked [00:12] Does anyone know how to install the new openoffice in kubuntu jaunty, just when i try i gives me blocked updates for openoffice 3.1 === hawk78 is now known as vincenzo|away [00:14] Hey guys, I have a little concern. The only network-related app that I am running right now (apart from this irc client) is the Deluge bittorrent client. According to Deluge I am uploading at about 2.6 KB/s, but if I open the System Monitor, and go to the Resource tab, it says I am uploading at about between 7.7 and 16 KB/s (it fluctuates quite a bit). Why could this be? Could there be a nasty app or tro [00:14] jan that is running and uploading files? Thanks [00:15] anyone know a name of a good ftp server ...im trying to transfer files to my pda via wireless [00:18] hmm.. seems amarok mess upp /dev/dsp etc. and now sound stopped working in firefox youtube videos etc. Hmm or even all sound . [00:20] hmmm dunno if it's the right place to ask but I'm under kubuntu after all [00:20] My wlan switch is almost dead [00:20] so i bought an usb key to replace it [00:21] but I can't connect as long as the wlan adapter (an intel one using iwl3945) [00:21] is turned off ! [00:22] to resume : I bought the usb adapter but can't use it as long as the builtin wlan switch is off! [00:23] dmesg shows Kill switch must be turned off for wireless networking to work. [00:24] hmm.. so when system tells sound device doesnt work after closing amarok and switching to side speakers.. only option is to reboot or restart process in 9.04? [00:24] (why does the sound always have to work this crappy for in GNU/Linux =/ ) [00:25] okay anybody running jaunty having problems installing the 4.3 beta [00:25] problems? Of what nature? [00:25] like it wont install [00:25] ill pastebin it [00:26] that would be useful :) [00:26] http://paste.ubuntu.com/175267/ [00:27] today has been a killer and im kinda running short on patience [00:27] :-/ not good, i know, but its just getting annoying [00:27] oops, forgot to push that fix to the PPA... [00:27] in the meantime [00:28] sudo dpkg -i --force-overwrite /var/cache/apt/archives/kdebase-runtime-data_4%3a4.2.85-0ubuntu1~jaunty1~ppa6_all.deb && sudo apt-get install -f [00:28] Anyone know how I can see what process is making a certain connection. I know the local and remote ports and the remote ip.thanks [00:29] JontheEchidna: http://paste.ubuntu.com/175270/ still having problems :-( [00:30] alexshenoy: ok, sudo apt-get dist-upgrade now [00:31] that should hopefully correct itself now [00:31] okay. looks to be working. thanks man. really appreciate it [00:32] hey guys i need to get and install PyKDE 3 and PyQt 3 + KDE libs. can someone help ? [00:32] nope [00:33] alexshenoy: I believe python-kde3 and python-qt3 are the packages you want [00:33] er [00:33] yaris123456789: ^ [00:33] sorry about that alex [00:34] http://paste.ubuntu.com/175272/ [00:34] anyway, I uploaded the fix for that kdebase-runtime-data bug. Once that builds nobody should run in to that particular problem again [00:34] * JontheEchidna looks at the new one [00:37] alexshenoy: similar solution, sudo dpkg -i --force-overwrite name_of_all_the_debs_go_here [00:38] btw, what is X display? how do i know if i need to install xvfb [00:38] hmm, but why is it doing that? ksysguard is already a replacement for kdebase-workspace-bin from KDE 4.2... [00:38] quite puzziling [00:38] *puzzling [00:39] oh, I modified the replaces version for the ksysguardd package, not the ksysguard one, silly me :/ [00:39] alexshenoy: by the way, would you mind pasting the whole log? The one you pasted only had the actual error for the ksysguard deb [00:40] from the last error? [00:41] yeah, from the last error. Several packages failed to install but the only actual error that I can see is from ksysguard [00:41] the errors appear in the log as they occur, then dpkg reports all packages that failed at the end [00:42] JontheEchidna: http://paste.ubuntu.com/175277/ [00:42] great, thanks [00:43] no problem [00:43] thanks [00:47] whats a good ftp server /w a gui [00:49] sere: server with a gui? [00:49] O_o [00:49] o_O [00:49] lol... [00:49] hmm... there might be one... but none that i'm aware of :/ [00:50] serv-u flashbacks from ~97. :3 === BluesKaj is now known as Blueskaj-gone [00:54] sere: proftpd will lock users to their home directorys if you like, its simple to setup [00:54] sere: no need for a silly gui which isnt really advised on a server [00:55] sere: http://www.ubuntugeek.com/settingup-an-ftp-server-on-ubuntu-with-proftpd.html [00:56] sere: this is a better guide: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=51611 [01:02] ActionParsnip: ty === Paraselene__ is now known as Paraselene_ [01:04] sere: np, its easy stuff dude. no need for a gui, plus you can configure it via ssh [01:07] Temp? fix foe wpa bug Launchpad bug 378145 in plasma-widget-network-manager "plasma widget networkmanager couldn't connect wpa" [01:30] ola [01:31] quero saber agumas coisas ? [01:32] !it [01:32] Vai su #ubuntu-it se vuoi parlare in italiano, in questo canale usiamo solo l'inglese. Grazie! (click col tasto destro sul nome del canale per entrare) [01:33] !br | ubuntu [01:33] ubuntu: Por favor, use #ubuntu-br para ajuda em português. Obrigado. [01:34] deixa eu falar a minha lingua por favor porque tenho que falar sua ? [01:38] hello [01:38] !es | ubuntu [01:38] ubuntu: En la mayoría de canales Ubuntu se comunica en inglés. Para ayuda en Español, por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es o #kubuntu-es. [01:38] I dist-upgraded and I'm having several issues with kde4 [01:38] for example I can't resize any window [01:39] Taggnostr: does it happen with all users === jeiworth_ is now known as jeiworth [01:39] I only have one user [01:40] Taggnostr: make another [01:40] Taggnostr: you can have multiple users on one computer [01:40] I can toggle the fullscreen, but when I try to drag a corner or a side it just doesn't work [01:41] ActionParsnip, I know, can I create one, try it and then deleted it without logging off from here? [01:41] Taggnostr: i dont think so, you'll have to log off then log on as the new user [01:42] !adduser [01:42] To add new users to your Ubuntu system, follow the instructions at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AddUsersHowto - For administrative privileges, users need to be made members of the group "admin" - See !sudo [01:42] and also, what is that button on the top-left of the windows, in the titlebar? [01:43] is there some page that summarizes the changes introduces by kde4? [01:45] !changes [01:45] Sorry, I don't know anything about changes === john is now known as Guest10629 [01:49] kde 4.3 beta 1 is avialable [01:50] Unpacking replacement kdebase-runtime-data ... [01:50] dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/kdebase-runtime-data_4%3a4.2.85-0ubuntu1~jaunty1~ppa7_all.deb (--unpack): [01:50] trying to overwrite `/usr/share/kde4/apps/kstyle/themes/oxygen.themerc', which is also in package kde-icons-oxygen [01:50] it gives me that error :S [01:51] younix: you could force the deb install which will overwrite the identical file with the one in the package [01:51] how do i do that? [01:51] i have already try apt-get -f dist-upgrade [01:51] younix: sudo dpkg --force-all -i /var/cache/apt/archives/kdebase-runtime-data_4%3a4.2.85-0ubuntu1~jaunty1~ppa7_all.deb [01:51] Hi [01:52] I'm having the same problem, lol [01:53] can you submit a bug for the file overwrite issue [01:59] Damn it's called dependency hell :D [01:59] brb [02:01] There is a reason its beta btw, its going to be buggy and crash a lot [02:01] ooo fix has been released :D === du3 is now known as mrdue [02:07] hey all [02:07] hi sere [02:07] hi sere~~~~~~~ [02:08] anyone have any knowledge with proftpd i keep getting a 530 login incorrect and not sure y i think im intering in everything right [02:08] desu. im loving that script :) [02:08] there's a slight problem with that script :P [02:08] it'll break for all files with have spaces or some other special characters in the name... [02:09] so, replace $x with "$x" everywhere [02:09] 10/4 ty ") [02:09] sorry, didn't think of special characters earlier [02:10] no worries im happy its just working [02:10] as soon as i get proftp to work i can transfer movies to my ipaq :) === rebekah is now known as murry === Blueskaj-gone is now known as BluesKaj [02:15] hello how i know the vertion of my desktop [02:17] tsukasa__- Version of Kubuntu? Of KDE? [02:18] Dragnslcr: i have kubuntu 9.0.4 [02:19] Okay, so what are you looking for? [02:19] but ithis kde have to much bugs [02:19] must of things are graphic [02:19] so a friend tell me thatt change the kde to a previus ver [02:20] but how i can do that? [02:20] Check Help -> About in most KDE programs [02:20] (K Menu -> Help is a good one to check) [02:21] Versión 4.2.2 (KDE 4.2.2) [02:22] Yup, that's the one that comes with Kubuntu 9.04 [02:22] how i change to a one more stable [02:22] cause this one have a lot of bugs [02:23] You can try installing 4.2.3 [02:24] http://www.kubuntu.org/news/kde-4.2.3 [02:24] yeah , probably is much better.... I'm using it and it looks to be more stable... [02:26] i just use the sofftware package [02:27] or there is any comand line tto installed? [02:27] is there a way to set a gradient as background on kde4? [02:28] there's only image, slideshow and color. if I select color I can specify only one single color [02:29] in the update software dont appear the update for he desktop [02:31] mmm [02:33] tsukasa__- http://www.kubuntu.org/news/kde-4.2.3 [02:34] :S i screw the kpackagekit [02:37] i get an error now that say you must rebuild the package cahe list this must be do it auto by <> [02:40] Package cache could not be opened === tsukasa__ is now known as tsukasa [02:55] how i fix the package sofware kit the cachelist [03:04] hi all [03:04] silly question: what does system/preferences/sound mean in jaunty? [03:07] No clue [03:07] Ok KDE People im a huge gnome fan but i have to say this new kubuntu is one hell of a neat desktop [03:08] oh man it is [03:08] hello [03:09] can i get support here for 8.04? i would like someone to spend 5 min with me regarding tquid [03:11] !help [03:11] Hi! I'm #kubuntu's favorite infobot, you can search my brain yourself at http://ubottu.com/factoids.cgi - Usage info: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBots [03:12] hello? [03:12] can someone moderator tell me what i can do to get someone to assit? [03:13] user_: You may want to try asking in #ubuntu as well, seeing as #kubuntu is not very active tonight. [03:13] First step is usually to ask a question [03:13] Yeah, I was about to say that there aren't many people around right now [03:13] ah ok === leo is now known as Rothsdad [03:16] QUESTION: I have set up the squid proxy server, and get an error. conf file has only 2 lines in it... [03:20] i get error bungled squid.conf line 3 http_access deny all however this is not even in the conf file. in conf file is LINE 1 http_port 8888 LINE 2 visible_hostname squ. These are the only 2 lines in file. [03:20] file located at /etc/squid/squid.conf [03:23] can i install .jar on kubuntu?? [03:24] I don't think .jar files install [03:24] I thought they just ran through Java [03:28] how to install java tho? [03:28] Hi, is the network management applet that comes with kubuntu provided by kubuntu or is it from kde upstream? [03:29] I just switched to an svn build of kde and there doesn't seam to be any way of configuring a wireless network [03:29] Looks like there is a network-manager applet in playground but not in kde itself [03:37] !java | wizardslovak [03:37] wizardslovak: To install a Java compiler/interpreter on Ubuntu, look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Java - For the Sun Java runtime install sun-java5-jre or sun-java6-jre from the !Multiverse repository. Please don't use Adept to install Java if you are on Kubuntu !Dapper [03:37] i got java but i still wont be able to install .jar [03:40] If you right-click the .jar and go to Open With, one of the options should be for a Java runtime [03:41] guys my digital camera records videos that are extreamly large, is there a way i can make them smaller without losing to much quality? [03:43] navetz_- sure, but I can't think of the name of a program offhand. Google could probably give you names if you search for something like "kde video editor" [03:44] Dragnslcr:okay thanks === |dthacker| is now known as dthacker [03:45] navetz_- I just did a quick search of the package list, and I know kdenlive is one I've heard of [03:46] i installed kubuntu-desktop on to of ubuntu and now i have kde and gnome both. I have logged into kde. The compiz effects don't seem to work. is compiz compatible with kde or do i have to stay with kwin. or does kwin support compiz like effects. I want the cube feature. === k4v is now known as m4v [03:46] Dragnslcr: yea i found it, I am installing now thanks :D [03:46] fornix- KDE4 does its own compositing, so you don't normally need compiz [03:47] i m new, but if u have compiz you also need qt and designer, from what i have read [03:47] Dragnslcr: so how do i enable the features like desktop cube and fire while minimizing, etc [03:47] dyn0myt3- sorry, that doesn't make much sense. Compiz and Qt have little to do with each other [03:48] hm [03:48] fornix- System Settings -> Desktop has the advanced effects [03:48] fornix- unfortunately, kwin doesn't have the burn effect yet [03:49] Dragnslcr: does it have wobbly windows? [03:49] fornix- yup [03:50] oh cool. found it under System Settings -> Desktop -> All effects [03:50] There's some pretty neat stuff in there [03:50] I do miss my blue burn though [03:52] i got problem with wine [03:52] i cant browse c drive [03:53] Dragnslcr: thanks for the help. i got my much awaited desktop cube. [03:55] fornix- one thing I learned is that the default layout for the desktops is 2x2, and it seems that the only way to change that is with the Pager plasmoid [04:04] What is the name of the non 3g NTFS driver that uses the actual MS ntfs.sys file? [04:05] hhe [04:05] quassel irc/ [04:05] that 's new [04:06] interesting [04:07] ah yes, sweet sweet konversation :) [04:08] alguem sabe me informar como posso fazer minha placa sis funcionar 3d no kubuntu 9.04 [04:08] alguem sabe me informar como posso fazer minha placa sis funcionar 3d no kubuntu 9.04 [04:08] !es | luis_ [04:08] luis_: En la mayoría de canales Ubuntu se comunica en inglés. Para ayuda en Español, por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es o #kubuntu-es. [04:09] thanks [04:09] hello [05:01] date === hemathor_ is now known as hemathor [05:12] Alternate NTFS system to 3g? [05:18] !fuser | corigo [05:18] Sorry, I don't know anything about fuser [05:18] !info fuser | corigo [05:18] corigo: Package fuser does not exist in jaunty [05:19] !ntfs [05:19] To view your Windows/Mac partitions see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AutomaticallyMountPartitions - For write access, see !NTFS-3g or !FUSE [05:19] corigo: ^^ [05:20] !fuse [05:20] FUSE (Filesystem in Userspace) is a !kernel driver that allows non-root users to create their own filesystems. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Filesystem_in_Userspace for more on FUSE. Some examples of filesystems that use FUSE are !ntfs-3g, sshfs and isofs. A full list of Filesystems that use FUSE is here: http://fuse.sourceforge.net/wiki/index.php/FileSystems [05:25] eagles0513875: the answer I was looking for was captive ntfs. Project is no longer active and doesn't support 64bit. ntfs-3g is really the only viable option right now, but it doesn't support ntfs jounaling [05:25] :( === atomekk is now known as atom32k === atom32k is now known as atomekk [05:48] hello [05:48] I've gotten myself into trouble with my Kubuntu [05:49] I had an Nvidia 6600GT installed and everything was fine [05:49] But then I put a HD3850 in and made a bit of a mess of things I think [05:49] I changed my xorg to "vesa" so I could get KDE up [05:50] but it was very slow and never really got me to the desktop properly [05:50] I could get a bash prompt so I installed fgrlx [05:50] I didn't remove the nvidia driver first [05:51] Then when things still werent working I decided I'd try again tomorrow... I changed my xorg back to nvidia and put my 6600 back in [05:51] Of course it still has fgrlx [05:51] now I'm totally stuffed [05:51] infinity_: i kinda had an issue similar to yours [05:52] Doesn't matter which card I use now... I can't even get to a bash prompt [05:52] i used a newer nvidia driver for my 8800gt with out uninstalling the old borked my whole x grated i could get to a bash prompt [05:52] (I'm typing this from work) [05:52] for me i ended up doing a clean install [05:52] If I could get a bash prompt I think I can fix it from there [05:53] but if I cant get a prompt I'm pretty much screwed [05:53] Well... I guess I can back up some stuff to another drive and reinstall [05:53] can you ssh into the rig [05:54] I can boot a live cd on it [05:54] I'm at work, and its not powered on atm anyway. [05:55] you can try it that was also try and ssh from another machine onto it [05:55] I guess that might work [05:55] I've never done ssh [05:56] But if I can get into it with a prompt then I figure I can fix my xorg and remove the nvidia and fgrlx drivers... and maybe I can get things up and running [05:56] infinity_: on a windows machine you will need a program called putty which will allow you to ssh onto the machine [05:57] yes we have putty [06:00] question becomes are you on a static or dynamic ip === Nikke_ is now known as Nikke [06:10] infinity_: just boot into rescue mode to get a root shell [06:13] how do I get klauncher in xubuntu 9.04 ? [06:13] tsimpson: is there a keyboard shortcut for that ? [06:13] infinity_: you choose it at boot, from grub [06:13] tsimpson: really ? [06:13] infinity_: hold down escape while grub is loading and you'll get a menu [06:14] oooh [06:14] you'll see an option to boot into "rescue mode" [06:14] you might have saved my life :D [06:14] dylan_: please ask in #xubuntu [06:15] tsimpson: from there, if I remove fgrlx and the nvidia driver, then use a generic xorg backup I should be ok then right ? [06:16] infinity_: should be, just type "exit" when you're done and it'll boot into normal graphical mode [06:16] tsimpson: thanks ! [06:16] tsimpson: I'll try this when I get home... I might even get that HD3850 up and running after all [06:17] On the slowness issue: has anyone else had problems with the HD 3850 ? [06:17] fgrlx is supposed to support it I think [06:17] but it was wierd [06:18] !fgrlx [06:18] Sorry, I don't know anything about fgrlx [06:18] umm [06:18] !ati [06:18] For Ati/NVidia/Matrox video cards, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto [06:18] !ati [06:19] thanks tsimpson, I really wanted to rescue my system rather than have to reinstall [06:19] !fglrx is binarydriver [06:19] But fglrx already means something else! [06:19] ummk [06:20] haha stupid bot [06:20] lol [06:20] no, stupid me reading, !fgrlx is not !fglrx [06:20] this is wierd [06:20] the bot never lies, unless I tell it to [06:20] Im on this system tha thas onboard graphics [06:20] I'm convinced they suck (nvidia 7025) [06:21] But if I try glxgears [06:21] I'm getting higher frames than on the 6600GT at home... but I swear the 6600 is much smoother, no frame droppage and things [06:21] glxgears is not a benchmark tool [06:21] ok [06:22] it doesn't represent real world results [06:22] ah k [06:22] hello there, got the .ICEauthority problem. tells me no write access, after each restart I have to manually chmod the file, how do I set it permanently? [06:22] thanks for the help guys... I better go do some work ;) [06:27] hey [06:28] hello there, got the .ICEauthority problem. tells me no write access, after each restart I have to manually chmod the file, how do I set it permanently? [06:29] huh/ [06:41] where are the ffmpeg on my system? [06:42] hello there, got the .ICEauthority problem. tells me no write access, after each restart I have to manually chmod the file, how do I set it permanently? [06:49] hello there, got the .ICEauthority problem. tells me no write access, after each restart I have to manually chmod the file, how do I set it permanently? === ian__ is now known as nick1111 [07:01] hello there, got the .ICEauthority problem. tells me no write access, after each restart I have to manually chmod the file, how do I set it permanently? [07:06] hello there, got the .ICEauthority problem. tells me no write access, after each restart I have to manually chmod the file, how do I set it permanently? [07:19] Hello to all [07:34] i cannot login to swat via firefox as root [07:34] or how do i do it? [07:37] how stable is 9.04, is kde 4 good to go now? [07:38] good night [07:38] anyone here? [07:38] im having a frustrating time with mandy 2009.1 and flash and i think from the dvd oive installed the 64 bit version but im not sure how that happened [07:39] i want to know how to copy dvd's on kubuntu [07:43] preston: yes :)_ [07:44] xp-killer: If you want to make backups of DVD movies use K9Copy [07:44] !K9Copy [07:44] infinity_: thanks, to hell with this mandy install [07:44] For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also https://help.ubuntu.com/9.04/musicvideophotos/C/video.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats [07:44] kubuntu here i come [07:49] hi all [07:50] does somebody know how to add a date condition in Kmail / Find messages? [07:54] Hi, there is a bug in the kde 4.3 beta 1 package at least for jaunty, Unpacking kdepim-kresources (from .../kdepim-kresources_4%3a4.2.85-0ubuntu1~jaunty1~ppa5_amd64.deb) ... [07:54] dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/kdepim-kresources_4%3a4.2.85-0ubuntu1~jaunty1~ppa5_amd64.deb (--unpack): [07:54] trying to overwrite `/usr/lib/libkcal_resourceremote.so.4.3.0', which is also in package libkdepim4 [07:54] Selecting previously deselected package kde-icons-oxygen. [07:54] Unpacking kde-icons-oxygen (from .../kde-icons-oxygen_4%3a4.2.85-0ubuntu2~jaunty1~ppa2_all.deb) ... [07:54] dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/kde-icons-oxygen_4%3a4.2.85-0ubuntu2~jaunty1~ppa2_all.deb (--unpack): [07:54] trying to overwrite `/usr/share/icons/oxygen/16x16/status/meeting-organizer.png', which is also in package libkdepim4 [07:55] currently, launchpad is not really available that is why I tried it here [07:59] sound plays fine when I use mplayer or flash, but when using Amarok or any KDE-related applications, I get "The audio playback device HDA Intel Sigmatel STAC9200 does not work. Falling back to default." What could be causing this? [08:01] !paste | Martin-KangBlom [08:01] Martin-KangBlom: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu.com (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic) [08:01] sorr [08:01] y [08:02] does the current kopete msn support lack webcam? [08:03] has somebody here already tested KDE 4.3 beta? [08:04] Mamarok_: Im on it [08:04] jussi01: issues? [08:05] jussi01: does it support tiling yet? [08:05] Mamarok_: a few curerntly - as Martin-KangBlom mentioned a few mixed up files in packages, but JontheEchidna is fixing those [08:05] Martin-KangBlom: you can override this with dpkg --force-overwrite /var/cache/apt/archives/kdepim-kresources_4%3a4.2.85-0ubuntu1~jaunty1~ppa5_amd64.deb [08:05] p-f: what exactly do you mean by that? [08:05] jussi01: besides the packaging I mean :) [08:06] jussi01: automatically laying windows out in a grid-like fashion [08:07] jussi01: it's more or less the only thing keeping me away from KDE [08:07] jussi01: never mind, just found the answer :) [08:08] p-f: that works since ages... with desktop effects [08:08] p-f: you mean the windos tiles like in Windows actually? [08:08] +w [08:09] Mamarok_: I mean tiles like in a tiling window manager [08:09] hi [08:09] Mamarok_: splits your screen into regions - windows automatically fill them up when placed in them [08:09] p-f: ok, well, KDE never did that AFAIK [08:10] Mamarok_: I'd be happy with keyboard shortcuts to resize windows to a preset % of the screen + move them to a preset corner, but it's hilariously painful to set up properly even though it shouldn't [08:11] (like winsplit revolution on windows) [08:11] I found a few posts that explain how to do it in a few different ways, but they were all buggy in their own way [08:12] p-f: KDE has many other advantages, and in the 9+ Years I use KDE I never missed that feature... [08:13] Mamarok_: I usually work with 10+ windows opened - having to place them by hand is incredibly tedious [08:14] p-f: keaboard shortcuts and desktops? put one window per desktop and switch with shortcuts? [08:14] Mamarok_: I want to view more than one at once [08:15] p-f: putting 10+ windows in a grid sounds... strange, unless you have a 40" screen or so [08:15] p-f: then put 2 windows in a desktop and... [08:15] * Mamarok_ gives up [08:15] Mamarok_: I usually split my screen in 3 - one large vertical band + 2 small ones on the right... the windows go in tabs [08:15] p-f: file a whish to bugs.kde.org [08:16] p-f: or use FWM or such [08:16] Mamarok_: well, I use ion right now [08:16] Mamarok_: I was just giving KDE a shot today to see if it was any better than the last time I used it (~3.x) [08:17] p-f: KDE is not a Window Manager, it is a Desktop experience, maybe different from what you are used to, but not everybody uses a computer the same way [08:17] p-f: "better" is not very objective, it's just your opinion because it doesn't do what *you* want it to do, so.... [08:17] Mamarok_: obviously [08:18] Mamarok: desktop environment actually [08:18] Mamarok_: although there are objective measures of better, like "sound works", "doesn't clutter my terminal with debug output" and so forth ;p [08:18] faileas: and a new Desktop Experience too IMHO [08:18] it's a different way to work, using activities, etc [08:18] I love how most of their libraries completely ignore the settings from kdebugdialog [08:19] p-f: are you a developer? [08:19] Mamarok_: in general? [08:19] then help, else your comments are of no use IMHO [08:20] file bugs objectively and contribute, but what you do is just bashing, still IMHO [08:20] I do usually help with opensource projects that have things that annoy me, but right now is not a good time for me to get into another project [08:20] right... [08:20] I have a disk with windows xp on it but it doesn't boot anymore, with a live cd I can see the two partitions but I can't access them. is there something that I can do? something like chkdsk or similar [08:20] unless you feel like doing my lab reports [08:22] * Mamarok_ just wonders why users always expect miracles in a desktop project with several hundred thousand lines of code... === Mamarok_ is now known as Mamarok === nixternal_ is now known as nixternal [09:04] hi guys, i tried to make my self a birthday present - kde 4,3 but unfortunatelly didn't wok. i got some errors while upgrading, rebooted and tried to rebuild repos and now i cannot enter kde!i only see a black screen! [09:06] can somebody please help?? i am on kubuntu 9,04 64 bit [09:13] hi guys, i tried to make my self a birthday present - kde 4,3 but unfortunatelly didn't wok. i got some errors while upgrading, rebooted and tried to rebuild repos and now i cannot enter kde!i only see a black screen!can someone pls help fix it? [09:17] Assurbanipal: try going into console and typing sudo aptitude install kubuntu-desktop [09:18] aptitude sometimes will correct errors [09:21] it doesnt work, it showed the kde loading screen, but now it is like before only a black screen with the cursor [09:23]