[00:29] <Sevenhill> asac:  same bug confirmed at #ubuntu+1 and resolved by downgrading
[00:31] <asac> Sevenhill: file a bug against that package please
[00:45] <Sevenhill> asac: could you confirm this please ? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/plasma-widget-network-manager/+bug/378145
[00:45] <ubottu> Ubuntu bug 378145 in plasma-widget-network-manager "plasma widget networkmanager couldn't connect wpa" [Undecided,New]
[00:56] <BUGabundo1> bed time. its 1am! kiss kiss and free hugs!
[01:03] <Sevenhill> asac: i need to leave now , but could you confirm my bug #378145 when you are free
[01:03] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 378145 in plasma-widget-network-manager "plasma widget networkmanager couldn't connect wpa" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/378145
[01:08] <Sevenhill> bye everyone
[01:17] <mbana> does 3.5 on 9.04 use .fonts.conf.  i've got something to show
[01:19] <mbana> http://img211.imageshack.us/img211/7454/screenshotcio.png look at this please
[01:19] <mbana> the fonts on the right --- the standard browser --- is better
[01:22] <mbana> maybe the 3.5 version ain't using .fonts.cofn
[01:35] <mbana> can anyone confirm
[01:44] <mbana> ok i've gotta go bed
[01:44] <mbana> is this is a bug
[01:59] <mbana> bye
[02:24] <dtchen> asac: yes, big problems. namely, it doesn't work.
[02:24] <dtchen> asac: regardless, it requires new pulse, new bluez, new linux. and it doesn't ship enabled anyhow.
[03:35] <micahg> is there a javascript expert in here?
[07:53]  * asac off
[07:55] <gnomefreak> have fun asac
[08:06] <gnomefreak> how do i find out about the ways to use apport. example: how to add info to a reported bug already?
[08:31] <gnomefreak> whos here?
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[09:10] <asac> gnomefreak: good question ... if you find out about apport let me know
[09:10] <asac> i saw some folks using apport-collect
[09:11] <asac> not really sure how that i done
[09:11] <gnomefreak> yeah mikem(spelling) was one of them. he seems to know apport well
[09:11] <asac> http://blog.grossmeier.net/2009/03/02/apport-collect-just-what-you-wanted/
[09:11] <asac> gnomefreak: ^^
[09:11] <gnomefreak> gmail is about 24 hours behind lately
[09:12] <gnomefreak> asac: thanks
[09:12] <asac> i would think its launchpad and not gmail
[09:12] <asac> you could look at the mail headers to see
[09:13] <gnomefreak> asac: someone set me an email on sunday i got one of them but not the other. the one i got was yesterday
[09:16] <gnomefreak> apport-collect bug#
[09:17] <gnomefreak> i will make a note of it and make sure that is how to get crash info on bugs
[09:17] <gnomefreak> btw google and deepdyve suck badly
[09:21] <asac> gnomefreak: i dont think you can attach crash info later easily
[09:21] <asac> imo users should just resubmit the .crash file
[09:21] <asac> by double clicking on it in nautilus
[09:21] <gnomefreak> asac: you should be able to i thought i saw it a few times
[09:21] <asac> hmm. maybe
[09:23] <gnomefreak> asac: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Apport#Tools look at apport-collect
[09:23] <gnomefreak> ill be back need drinka nd smoke
[09:24] <asac> ok i am going off ... will be back when in munich (have a stop there)
[09:24] <asac> cu later
[09:32] <gnomefreak> have nice trip
[10:31] <Jazzva> what is the license for mozilla artwork (eg. Firefox logo)? I searched through /usr/share/doc/firefox-*/copyright, but I didn't found any info.
[10:33] <gnomefreak> Jazzva: official firefox logos are not free that much i remember
[10:35] <gnomefreak> how the hell do i send myself spam :( i get spam saying the senders name is "me"
[10:35] <Jazzva> gnomefreak: that's what I remember too. foxyproxy's license is saying that artwork, name, docs are non-free, but upstream developer is giving us the right to redistribute it. I'm not sure if that's enough to keep foxyproxy in universe, but it sounds like the case with mozilla artwork.
[10:37] <gnomefreak> not sure on that but just a warning foxyproxy is buggy last i heard
[10:41] <gnomefreak> Jazzva: what are your thoughts on backporting extensions to Hardy? I am against it in full
[10:43] <Jazzva> gnomefreak: I don't think it's necessary.
[10:44] <gnomefreak> Jazzva: i was asked about that and since hardy is LTS i think its a bad idea
[10:46] <Jazzva> gnomefreak: yes... new version might introduce new bugs in stable release.
[10:47] <gnomefreak> i told him to give me a list and we or me will add them to ppa for testing
[10:48] <gnomefreak> ok cool meeting in 10 minutes
[10:48] <gnomefreak> 1st one im going to make in past 5 or so months
[10:49] <Jazzva> gnomefreak: meeting?
[10:49] <gnomefreak> Jazzva: Comunity council meeting
[10:49] <Jazzva> gnomefreak: ah, ok.
[11:19] <gnomefreak> the day i show up for a meeting and its not here
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[15:13] <stefanlsd> asac: did you have somthing like this in mind for gears - http://paste.ubuntu.com/175698/
[16:22] <RainCT> Hi
[16:22] <RainCT> I'm wondering, is there some policy on adding packages for websites in Prism?
[16:27] <fta> my plan is/was to drop them from the main prism package and create a dedicated project
[16:27] <fta> i created that package but i faced issues
[16:29] <fta> (i called it prism-webapps)
[16:29] <fta> RainCT, ^^
[16:30] <RainCT> fta: Hm, and the package SPAMs the menu? Or would there be some sort of "control centre" to enable/disable which apps you want and add new ones?
[16:30] <fta> no, prism-webapps is a src package, creating one deb per app
[16:30] <RainCT> Ah OK
[16:31] <RainCT> fta: So my concern is whether it makes sense to just go and start blindly creating packages for every remotely interesting application
[16:32] <RainCT> Or whether we should drop such packages altogether and work on some cross-distro solution instead
[16:32] <fta> we need a common framework, no need to re-invent the wheel each time
[16:32] <fta> we could discuss that at UDS. are you attending?
[16:32] <RainCT> Yes
[16:33] <fta> good
[16:33] <fta> asac should be interested too
[16:34] <RainCT> Should I file a blueprint or something?
[16:34] <fta> not required, but if you want to
[16:35] <fta> we can find a slot, there's usually plenty
[16:55] <RainCT> fta: https://blueprints.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/prism-applications/
[17:03] <micahg> fta, if an upstream bugzilla link exists without a link back, shoudl I add one?
[18:33] <BUGabundo> good afternoon
[18:39] <RainCT> Hi BUGabundo
[18:40] <BUGabundo> hey RainCT ... not usual to see you here! killing time during the travel?
[18:43] <RainCT> BUGabundo: travel?
[18:46] <BUGabundo> RainCT: not going to UDS?
[18:47] <RainCT> BUGabundo: Sure I do, I live 1 hour from there :)
[18:47] <RainCT> But you said «during the travel». It's still nearly a week until UDS
[18:49] <BUGabundo> RainCT: eheh i have all my calendars upside down this week
[18:49] <BUGabundo> glad u leave near by... i'm few extra hunderd KMs, on Porto, Portugal
[18:51] <RainCT> So yeah, I'm not very active with Mozilla stuff but today I felt like bugging fta about Prism :P
[18:51] <BUGabundo> eheh
[18:51] <RainCT> fta: btw, now that I think about it, have you seen the icon proposals for the Google pages on LP?
[18:51] <BUGabundo> and we all know how fta lovessssss to be nagged
[18:53] <RainCT> lol
[18:53] <RainCT> fta: I thought you were running away ;)
[18:53] <BUGabundo> see? u made him quit
[18:55] <RainCT> btw, what do you guys use for identi.ca?
[18:55] <BUGabundo> micro blogging, social networking, questions, knowlage
[18:57] <RainCT> I mean, which apps :)
[18:57] <BUGabundo> web, pidgin, gwibber, gnomedo, laconica.sh, microblog-purple, email (mutt ftw)
[18:57] <BUGabundo> and prob something i may have forgot
[18:58] <BUGabundo> oh... pingfm,hellotxt, tweetfeeds
[18:58] <BUGabundo> thats about it
[18:58] <BUGabundo> ... i think
[18:58] <RainCT> o_O
[18:58]  * RainCT doesn't want to know how many applications BUGabundo uses a day :P
[18:59] <RainCT> ah, the last 3 are websites
[19:00] <RainCT> Posting with GNOME Do isn't working here :(
[19:00] <BUGabundo> RainCT: not do i!
[19:00] <BUGabundo> only one is website
[19:00] <BUGabundo> all others are via API
[19:01] <BUGabundo> mostly by XMPP
[19:01] <BUGabundo> time to go
[19:01] <BUGabundo> see u latter
[19:01] <RainCT> ok, cya
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[21:16] <BUGabundo> RainCT: did my last message go in ?
[21:17] <RainCT> BUGabundo: which was your last message?
[21:17] <BUGabundo> RainCT: ping
[21:17] <BUGabundo> so to carry on our lovelly talk
[21:17] <BUGabundo> I think my irc connection was in the limbo
[21:20] <RainCT> Uhm no, I got no ping
[21:20] <BUGabundo> ok
[21:20] <BUGabundo> so I was really in the mist
[21:25] <RainCT> Hehe. Btw, gwibber rocks :). I think I'll add it as a startup applications.
[21:25] <BUGabundo> ehe
[21:25] <BUGabundo> I don't
[21:26] <BUGabundo> the only thing on my start up is a gnome-terminal
[21:26] <BUGabundo> LOL
[21:26] <fta> !info sqlite3 karmic
[21:26] <ubottu> sqlite3 (source: sqlite3): A command line interface for SQLite 3. In component main, is optional. Version 3.6.13-1build1 (karmic), package size 25 kB, installed size 108 kB
[21:27] <fta> grr, too old
[21:27] <fta> !info sqlite3 sid
[21:27] <ubottu> 'sid' is not a valid distribution: dapper, dapper-backports, hardy, hardy-backports, intrepid, intrepid-backports, jaunty, jaunty-backports, karmic, karmic-backports, kubuntu-backports, kubuntu-experimental, kubuntu-updates, medibuntu, partner
[21:27] <fta> !info sqlite3 debian
[21:27] <ubottu> 'debian' is not a valid distribution: dapper, dapper-backports, hardy, hardy-backports, intrepid, intrepid-backports, jaunty, jaunty-backports, karmic, karmic-backports, kubuntu-backports, kubuntu-experimental, kubuntu-updates, medibuntu, partner
[21:27] <RainCT> Ohh, the startup applications thing gets the icon automatically, nice :)
[21:27] <RainCT> BUGabundo: have you tried out terminator?
[21:28]  * RainCT hands out packages.debian.org to fta :P
[21:28] <fta> RainCT, i dropped gwibber from my startup app list on my netbook (using unr)
[21:28] <BUGabundo> RainCT: I've seen it in action but neber used it
[21:28] <fta> RainCT, yeah, i know p.d.o
[21:29] <RainCT> fta: for some particular reason?
[21:30] <RainCT> BUGabundo: give it a try, there's no way back :)
[21:30] <BUGabundo> eheh
[21:30] <BUGabundo> like GnomeDo
[21:30] <BUGabundo> who uses it for 30min, won't ever let it go
[21:30] <RainCT> since it has docky, true :D
[21:32] <BUGabundo> I don't like docky
[21:32] <BUGabundo> I use glassy
[21:32] <BUGabundo> looks great on my dark them
[21:32] <BUGabundo> *theme
[21:32] <RainCT> I don't like dark themes *g*
[21:32] <RainCT> got an URL for glassy?
[21:33] <BUGabundo> it's a DO skin.....
[21:33] <fta> RainCT, yep, a/ in UNR, everything starts full screen, b/ when gwibber starts without network, it freezes, c/ i use my netbook a lot without network and d/ gwibber can't start iconified. so add a+d+b+c..
[21:33] <BUGabundo> I can take a screenshot if you want
[21:33] <BUGabundo> RainCT: uploading now
[21:34] <RainCT> BUGabundo: Nah, just tried it out. The name is without the y, that's what confused me :)
[21:34] <BUGabundo> http://dl.getdropbox.com/u/112892/glassy.png
[21:34] <fta> hm.. 4065-3580-806 < 0 :(
[21:34] <RainCT> fta: oh, didn't know about the freeze, that sucks.. I may hack a bit on it some day of those :)
[21:35]  * RainCT gets annoyed at nautilus because he can't select a bunch of images and do right click -> print :P
[21:36]  * BUGabundo has *ever* been annoyed by not be possible to click->drag->alt+tab->drop
[21:38] <fta> i need 290 more chromium installs :0
[21:39] <BUGabundo> LOL
[21:39] <fta> chromium-browser                4113   386  1142  2585     0
[21:39] <fta> cxchromium                      3594   313  3030   191    60
[21:39] <fta> ia32-libs-chromium-browser       941     0     0     0   941
[21:39] <fta> ia32-cxchromium                  809    76   673    45    15
[21:41] <fta> FIREFOX_3_0_11_BUILD1
[21:41] <fta> more work for asac ;)
[21:41] <BUGabundo> rolf
[21:43] <RainCT> BUGabundo: You roll on a laughing floor? Where did you get it? o_O
[21:44] <RainCT> :D
[21:44] <BUGabundo> :p
[21:45] <RainCT> fta: Uhm.. Can you explain what you just pasted? (I know it's popcon stats, but I don't get what you mean with it)
[21:45] <BUGabundo> ts a mist of native chromium, on wine, etc
[21:45] <fta> i just need chromium-browser > cxchromium + ia32-cxchromium
[21:46] <RainCT> ah
[21:46] <fta> i already have ia32-libs-chromium-browser > ia32-cxchromium, which is good
[21:47] <RainCT> So what's chromkum-browser and what's cxchromium?
[21:48] <fta> chromium-browser is the native package i maintain. cxchromium is the wine/codeweaver package of the win32 blob
[21:48] <RainCT> Ah OK. cxchromium uses wine?
[21:48] <RainCT> OK
[21:48] <RainCT> So.. Have you tried blogging about it? :)
[21:48] <fta> nope, i don't have a blog
[21:48] <BUGabundo> eheh
[21:48] <fta> maybe i should
[21:48] <BUGabundo> fta just has a µblog
[21:49] <BUGabundo> fta: recently we figured we could email to identica and remove the char limit
[21:49] <fta> but i stopped reading blogs 6 months ago, i got saturated
[21:50] <BUGabundo> fta: want my shared feed?
[21:50] <BUGabundo> lol
[21:50] <RainCT> http://srikrishnadas.files.wordpress.com/2008/10/5rdaug.jpg
[21:50] <BUGabundo> ehehehehh
[21:51] <RainCT> Now that's what I call stability :)
[21:51] <BUGabundo> its not even alpha
[21:51] <RainCT> Right, but that image is awesome :)
[21:51] <fta> the win32 version was released
[21:54] <fta> dh_install: xulrunner-1.9.2-dev missing files (debian/tmp/usr/{include,share/idl}/xulrunner-1.9*/stable), aborting
[21:54] <fta> make: *** [binary-post-install/xulrunner-1.9.2] Error 1
[21:54] <fta> dpkg-buildpackage: failure: /usr/bin/fakeroot debian/rules binary-arch gave error exit status 2
[21:54] <fta> hmm, not good
[21:54] <fta> it means massive changes to the -dev structure
[22:13] <RainCT> fta: what's gwibber's conf-mode?
[22:14] <fta> conference mode, where a tag is automatically added
[22:14] <RainCT> Ah, cool
[22:14] <fta> we discussed that months ago, i expected it before UDS
[22:19] <RainCT> uhm.. I've upgraded to gwibber from Karmic and now it's broken, connection error :(
[22:19] <RainCT> ah, nevermind
[22:19] <RainCT> seems like it messed up my password, writing it again fixed it
[22:28] <fta> asac, mozilla bug 488175 => dist/sdk/include removed, and more importantly, flattened dist/include
[22:28] <ubottu> Mozilla bug 488175 in Build Config "Need to include |namespace mozilla {Foo}| headers as |#include "mozilla/Foo"|" [Normal,Resolved: fixed] http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=488175
[22:57] <fta> asac, no more include stable vs unstable !? wtf?
[23:31] <Jazzva> asac: ping
[23:32] <fta> Jazzva, he should be in spain by now
[23:32] <Jazzva> fta: no internet over there?
[23:32] <Jazzva> fta: maybe you know, or someone else :)
[23:32] <fta> i hope there is
[23:33] <Jazzva> fta: you're not at UDS?
[23:33] <BUGabundo>  !question | Jazzva
[23:33] <ubottu> Jazzva: Please don't ask to ask a question, simply ask the question (all on ONE line, so others can read and follow it easily). If anyone knows the answer they will most likely reply. :-)
[23:33] <BUGabundo> eehe
[23:33] <fta> Jazzva, it's next week
[23:33] <Jazzva> BUGabundo: heh :)... I didn't ask to ask a question :P
[23:33] <Jazzva> fta: ah... ok
[23:34] <fta> the empty ping is a form of request to ask a question ;)
[23:34] <fta> !ping
[23:34] <ubottu> ping yourself ;-) really the diodes all down my left side are sore
[23:34] <Jazzva> anyway, do you think it's possible to install the extensions the same way we install Flash plugin (eg. download the xpi file, and unpack it to somewhere, and link to appropriate places)?
[23:34] <Jazzva> fta: oh, ok :)
[23:35] <fta> possible yes, desirable, i'm not sure
[23:35] <Jazzva> fta: yeah... the downside is that we can't provide our patches, if the upstream extensions are broken in Ubuntu... or we can, but that would be easily breakable
[23:36] <fta> ? why can't we provide our patches?
[23:37] <Jazzva> fta: in the case where we just download the xpi in the installation procedure, the patch might not work
[23:37] <fta> sure
[23:39] <fta> what is the rationale for dling the xpi during install, vs what we do now?
[23:41] <Jazzva> fta: no need to update the package when there is a newer version online. Though, we would need to push a new version of package with higher version in order to get it in system updates.
[23:41] <Jazzva> fta: so, it's mostly a crazy idea in my head that just came, and seemed nice for a moment :)
[23:41] <fta> Jazzva, a bot was supposed to take care of bumping the packages.. though it never happened :P
[23:42] <Jazzva> fta: about that... where are we now? do you know what needs to be done?
[23:42] <fta> i focused on dailies
[23:43] <fta> no, asac was mentoring someone iirc
[23:43] <Jazzva> fta: I would like to focus on auto-update bot, as I'll have much more free time in a few weeks...
[23:43] <fta> feel free
[23:43] <Jazzva> fta: yes, I remember someone else joined the effort...