[00:44] <Ampelbein> hi. it's me again. there is another problem with factoids that i don't know how to resolve. apparently, there is a spelling mistake. the factoid !alcarte should be known as !alacarte
[00:46] <Pici> Ampelbein: Thanks.  I don't think we even need that factoid anymore though. The link is dead and alacarte comes install with ubuntu-desktop
[00:46] <Pici> ubottu: forget alcarte
[00:46] <Ampelbein> Pici: i think you are right.
[00:47] <Pici> Ampelbein: Right click on the default menu applet in gnome and go to edit menus gives you alacarte
[00:47] <Ampelbein> i'll wade through other factoids to see what i can correct. did you get the 3dchess thingie?
[00:47] <Ampelbein> Pici: i do know that. check the last uploaders for alacarte ;-)
[00:49] <Pici> Ampelbein: Ah :)
[00:49] <Ampelbein> Pici: oh, and !smeg should be deleted also.
[00:49] <Ampelbein> it's alias for alcarte.
[00:49] <Pici> indeed, gone now.
[00:49] <Ampelbein> ok, i'm gone again. will check back if i found another issue ;-)
[00:50] <Ampelbein> i don't want you to get bored in here ;-)
[00:54] <Pici> ubottu: ops channel ban list 
[00:54] <Pici> another bad factoid
[00:55] <LjL> i like it :)
[01:27] <Pici> !queue
[01:27] <Pici> queue =~ s/jaunty/karmic/
[01:27] <Pici> !queue =~ s/jaunty/karmic/
[01:49] <Pici> !mom is <reply> MoM is the Ubuntu Merge-O-Matic, a website helping the MOTUs keep Ubuntu in sync with Debian. See  https://merges.ubuntu.com/
[01:49] <Pici> !no dad is <reply> DaD was an alternative to !mom and has been shutdown in February 2009, see http://dad.dunnewind.net/end.php
[01:54] <LjL> !pici | pici
[01:55] <vertix> why am I banned on #ubuntu?
[01:56] <Ampelbein> it's me again. \o/! The factoid !debfoster can be deleted, I think. It's deprecated since 2006, aptitude performs the same. See http://www.fruit.je/debfoster/
[01:57] <Ampelbein> same goes for deborphan
[01:59] <Ampelbein> that's it for now, see you soon. ;-)
[02:00] <Pici> vertix: You seem to have quite a few entries here, one moment.
[02:15] <Pici> vertix: While the original ban in #ubuntu was for a relatively minor issue, it seems that your behavior in #ubuntu-ops has impacted your chances of being unbanned in #ubuntu
[02:17] <LjL> Pici: interesting, macb0t seems to be joining about the same channels that yesterday's bot joined
[02:19] <Pici> LjL: Interesting indeed.  different hosts though..
[02:20] <LjL> Pici: happen to have f1shb0t's owner's whois?
[02:23] <LjL> Pici: i believe the nick "macbutt" is linked to macb0t, too (although different address). they join/part channels almost together.
[02:23] <Pici> LjL: This is all I got from the other day: http://paste.ubuntu.com/175305/
[02:24] <LjL> Pici: thanks, that's useful. he's got one channel in common with antitab
[02:29] <Pici> vertix: If theres nothing you'd like to discuss now, I know you're aware of our channel policy regarding idling.
[02:59] <LjL> Pici: FWIW, i can assure that neither macb0t nor its owner would have a valid reason to be in help channels in the near future.
[05:21] <Flannel> Howdy boredandblogging, how can we help you today?
[05:24] <Flannel> I didn't mean to scare him off....
[05:39] <Flannel> Why must people attempt to sound smarter than they are?
[06:28] <jussi01> Flannel: boredandblogging happens to be a memeber of the IRC council ;)
[06:33] <Flannel> jussi01: Well, it's a good thing he wasn't around long enough to notice what I said then, eh?
[08:47] <stew> next Xangavizike will say someting about killing Tux or TUCKS must DIE or death to linux!
[08:47] <stew> and then we will know he is the troll i think he is
[08:47] <Flannel> heh
[08:48] <stew> and then when you ban him,  every line will contain "brotha"
[08:48] <Flannel> maybe you should +brotha him
[08:49] <stew> yeah? including the +o ?
[08:49] <Flannel> mmmm,alright, fair point.
[08:49] <stew> :)
[08:58] <Myrtti> that nick sounds familiar
[08:58] <Myrtti> [10:58] ~~~142 - #ubuntu: ban ?ngavezirk*!*@* [by  Myrtti!i=myrtti@ubuntu/member/myrtti, 5523793 secs ago]
[08:59] <stew> that's the guy, brotha
[10:09] <ikonia> morning all
[10:37] <vertix> Pici, I don't know what are you talking about when you say: vertix: While the original ban in #ubuntu was for a relatively minor issue, it seems that your behavior in #ubuntu-ops has impacted your chances of being unbanned in #ubuntu
[10:37] <Flannel> vertix: He meants exactly that.
[10:38] <vertix> what specifically in terms of "behavior" are you talking about?
[10:38] <vertix> Flannel, I have no idea what are you talking about in terms if "behavior"
[10:39] <vertix> All I did here is try to address the issue of totally inappropriate ban, which is nothing more than abuse of authority by the OP, who should have been deopped from #ubuntu for doing things like that
[10:40] <vertix> and one more time: I have also been humiliated, laughed at, insulted right here by some of ops
[10:40] <Flannel> vertix: volumes could be written on it.  However, I'll give you one and a half examples:  The fact that you insisted on returning here and repeating the same things a number of times, after being told to wait until certain parties were around.  And then continued to return and idle, even after it's been made extremely clear to you that you're not to do that.
[10:41] <vertix> ok, those parties were around and you had a chance to discuss that ban
[10:41] <vertix> can you tell me what are the results and what actions have been taken by the "board"?
[10:42] <vertix> this chan is on auto join. whenever I have to reboot, it joins
[10:42] <Flannel> vertix: I don't have that information, no.  However I can tell you that as it stands now, your ban in #ubuntu will not be removed.  As was already mentioned.
[10:42] <Flannel> vertix: You should remove that autojoin.
[10:42] <vertix> I would like to see what is done on behalf of public in this channel and how YOU "behave" serving the interests of those, who placed you here as ops
[10:43] <vertix> why should I remove that autojoin?
[10:43] <Madpilot> ubottu, idle | vertix 
[10:43] <ikonia> just put a ban on him in here
[10:43] <ikonia> he's been asked enough times
[10:43] <Madpilot> that reason, perhaps?
[10:43] <vertix> What is so secret about this chan that is supposed to supervise the op's behavior on #ubuntu according to public information?
[10:43] <Flannel> vertix: You're entirely welcome to do that.  However, as was already stated a number of times, this channel is not to be idled in.  You should only join it when you have something to discuss, which is not the same as "whenever I turn on my computer"
[10:43] <Flannel> vertix: Nothing.  This channel is logged.  This has been explained to you.
[10:43] <vertix> I am talking exactly about op's abuse
[10:44] <Flannel> vertix: We're talking about you honoring our channel policies.
[10:44] <vertix> one more time: how come this chan is not allowed to be logged by public
[10:45] <Flannel> vertix: It is logged, publically.
[10:45] <Myrtti> why would it need to be logged by john mundane when it's already logged officially?
[10:45] <vertix> the logs could be doctored easily and whatever is done behind the doors remains unknown to public
[10:45] <vertix> I will discuss the channel policies in appropriate places in due time
[10:46]  * Madpilot hands vertix a tin-foil hat. Pull it down right around your ears, now.
[10:46] <vertix> Flannel, I have seen doctored logs from other channels and have 100% confidence in my findings. Because I also had a log
[10:46] <Flannel> vertix: I'm sure you do.
[10:47] <Myrtti> My good faith is really streched to the limits
[10:47] <Flannel> vertix: Is there anything else we can help you with today?  If not, please don't idle here.
[10:47] <vertix> and that is what you do here? serving public insterest? Madpilot hands vertix a tin-foil hat. Pull it down right around your ears, now.
[10:47] <vertix> and you talk about MY "behavior"?
[10:47] <Flannel> vertix: Good afternoon vertix.  Hope you have a wonderful day.
[10:48] <vertix> you did not help me with ANYTHING, did not specifically answer my valid questions about anything and now you are simply forcing me out before doing ANYTHING
[10:49] <vertix> that is why I asked you before: what is happening in this channels behind the closed door?
[10:49] <Flannel> vertix: No, I told you that I don't have that information, nor do I know who does.  Nor will you be unbanned from #ubuntu, as was mentioned to you.
[10:50] <vertix> Flannel, that is what I am hearing from the day one of that utterly inappropriate band, that is nothing more than abuse of power and authority
[10:50] <Flannel> vertix: This channel, much to your chagrin, does not bend to your every whim.  I'm sorry if you've been treated that way in your life thus far, but it's time for you to wake up and experience the real world.
[10:50] <Flannel> vertix: Here's a hint for you to take with you:  In the world, the manner in which you go about attempting to exact change is as important, if not more so, than the change you hope to enact.
[10:51] <vertix> and now, you, who was GIVEN this authority to protect the public interest, are simply laughing at the victim, and, after all this time, you had to examine the issue, you still do not answer the specific questions
[10:52] <Myrtti> vertix: we've tried to answer them, but you seem to be ignoring them and bending the answers to your own will
[10:52] <vertix> Flannel, I don't need teachers about "real world" or "real life". You can follow your own advice
[10:53] <vertix> Flannel, is this a psychology school of behavioral analysis here?
[10:53] <vertix> I do not recall a single specific answer on any of valid questions i presented
[10:54] <Flannel> vertix: Sure you do.  Pici said things plainly: you won't be unbanned in the near future, because you're shooting yourself in the foot now.
[10:54] <vertix> i can see several people coming at me with insults, ridicule and totally inappropriate behavior
[10:54] <Myrtti> vertix: you've been told that while this channel is being publically logged, we prefer to keep this channel vacant from idlers, so that any given issue given to us can be handled individually
[10:54] <vertix> and not a single specific answer has been presented to day as logs will show when published in full
[10:55] <Flannel> vertix: Feel free to do so.  We already do.
[10:55] <Myrtti> something must be lost in translation here, I didn't understand that sentence
[10:55] <vertix> but you are serving the PUBLIC interest here and policies for YOUR behavior are outlined quite specifically
[10:55] <Flannel> Myrtti: He's going to publish the logs of this channel, to show that we're as unhelpful as he says we are.
[10:56] <vertix> yes
[10:56] <Myrtti> oh ok.
[10:56] <Myrtti> well it's a good thing we've got the public logs as well
[10:56] <vertix> exactly that for one thing. not only unhelpful, bur harassing and abusing the authority bestowed upon thee
[10:56] <Tm_T> me too?
[10:56] <Madpilot> you mean the public logs that /already/ publish everything said in this channel?
[10:57] <vertix> Myrtii, but your logs are doctored I bet, as I have seen on some other channels
[10:57] <vertix> how does anybody know that your logs are genuine?
[10:57] <Flannel> vertix: Did you have anything else to add to the discussion today?  As we've said a few times, we've heard this before.  We'd prefer it if you only came here to bestow new information upon us.
[10:57] <gnomefreak> vertix: and yours the same this is why we publiicly post them using a bot
[10:57] <vertix> I need a SPECIFIC answer on my original ban
[10:58] <Flannel> vertix: No, you won't be unbanned today.
[10:58] <Flannel> vertix: specific enough?
[10:58] <vertix> and subsequent developments regarding it
[10:58] <vertix> well, this has been going on for how many days already?
[10:58] <vertix> One more time: what was the EXACT and specific reason for my original ban?
[10:58] <Flannel> vertix: That's correct.  You weren't unbanned on those days either.
[10:59] <vertix> I don't need references, I need a DIRECT and OFFICIAL statement
[10:59] <Myrtti> I really would like to help him, but my good faith is really stretched thin here
[10:59] <vertix> are you a priest or a public servant?
[10:59] <Flannel> vertix: As we already said, we don't bend to your every whim.  It's not important, as Pici outlined, your current ban is due ot your continuing behavior, not your initial offense.
[10:59]  * gnomefreak doesnt remember how to use bantracker it should have a snipit of the convo IIRC
[10:59] <Tm_T> vertix: not only those both, but..
[10:59] <Madpilot> @login
[10:59] <Madpilot> @btlogin
[11:00] <vertix> what SPECIFIC "behavior" are you talking about
[11:00] <Flannel> vertix: I've already outlined, and given you an example.  I will not ennumerate everything, since that would take me considerably more time than I wish to waste on you today.
[11:00] <vertix> you are not listening to anything and all you are doing is harassing me and forcing me out BEFORE the issue is resolved and not SPECIFICALLY stating the OFFICIAL position on this matter
[11:00]  * Myrtti goes to work since this convo is an obvious dead end, again
[11:01] <Flannel> vertix: What question did you just ask that I did not answer?
[11:02] <vertix> Flannel, WHAT SPECIFIC REASON WAS FOR MY ORIGINAL BAN and HOW SPECIFICALLY IT WAS RESOLVED WITH JACK_SPARROW?
[11:02] <Flannel> vertix: It's immaterial to your continued ban from #ubuntu.
[11:03] <vertix> because that is the original request I made: I do not wish to discuss anything with him because I am not interested in talking to violent people, who abuse their authority and exceeds all conceivable limits to it
[11:03] <Madpilot> vertix, regardless of your original ban, your continued behaviour here warrents keeping it in place. How many times have you been removed from -ops in the last few days, anyway?
[11:03] <vertix> "immaterial" is not the answer
[11:03] <vertix> it is just further abuse
[11:04] <Flannel> Myrtti: do you mind?  We're just spiralling again.
[11:04] <Myrtti> Flannel: sec
[11:04] <Flannel> Thankee
[11:04] <vertix> YOU may be spiralling
[11:04] <vertix> and YOU are abusing everything there is to abuse
[11:04] <Flannel> vertix: Again vertix, I wish you the best of days today.  Hopefully we'll reach a juncture in the near future where this can all be resolved.
[11:05] <vertix> and YOU are not addressing a single specific point with specific official statement
[11:05] <Tm_T> vertix: I don't think that you can discuss your matter when all the time you use "op abuse" card when you have no other answer
[11:05] <Myrtti> vertix: your original ban hasn't been resolved, since you don't discuss it with Jack_Sparrow and us
[11:07] <vertix> Flannel, I had a very serious problem with my system because my box was rooted and you are preventing me from resolving this issue on #ubuntu, and YOU are interfering from discussing this latest version of the most lethal rootkit known to date, and it's been days you are preventing me from being able to communicate on this matter in appropriate places, such as PUBLIC #ubuntu channel
[11:07] <vertix> and I have not done a SINGLE "wrong" thing and I have studied the policies of the "supervisory panel"
[11:07] <gnomefreak> vertix: most IRC clients log all activity in a channel please look at your logs to determine why you were banned and also see about the abuse. please feel free to discuss it in more detail than. At this time you are not helping yourself with op abuse ops not doing thier job ect....
[11:08] <Madpilot> vertix, got a bug report number for the 'most lethal rootkit'?
[11:08] <vertix> that is why I asked some of you: are ANY of you involved with this latest release of rootkit?
[11:08] <vertix> I have been follwed by ikonia, provoking me and insulting me on other channels. What is his interest on this?
[11:08] <Vampires> i dont type this channel
[11:09] <Flannel> Vampires: We'll be with you momentarily.
[11:09] <gnomefreak> Vampires: you are fowarded here because dispite the warnings you kept on with your comments
[11:09] <vertix> he is hanging out on #security for several days now, and joined it immediately after me, and as soon as I start speaking he immediately starts perverting things and fabricating lies
[11:09] <Vampires> what comment
[11:10] <Myrtti> gnomefreak: lets deal with vertix here first, since he's been here longer
[11:10] <Myrtti> Vampires: hold on, please
[11:10] <gnomefreak> Vampires: the please make me part....
[11:10] <Vampires> i asked for part not banned
[11:10] <gnomefreak> Myrtti: i dont know anything about vertix 
[11:10] <Vampires> lmao
[11:10] <gnomefreak> Vampires: you were wanred now you are banned
[11:10] <vertix> are you running a power trip here and abusing that authority given to you, by ANY chance?
[11:11] <gnomefreak> vertix: be real careeful who and what you accuse people of
[11:11] <Vampires> why Myrtti  is good in banning users
[11:11] <Vampires> he never read what others says. he keep on banning.
[11:12] <gnomefreak> Vampires: you know why you were banned you were wanred more than 4 times to stay on topic and you refused to
[11:12] <Myrtti> Vampires: you were disturbing the channel with your requests
[11:12] <Vampires> i didnt disturbed
[11:12] <gnomefreak> you asked and you recieved
[11:12] <gnomefreak> Vampires: that is a support channel only
[11:12] <Vampires> i ask part not banned, idiot
[11:12] <Myrtti> Vampires: the channel is only for Ubuntu support questions, and asking to be parted/kicked is abusing both the operators and the other peoples time
[11:13] <gnomefreak> i wouldnt do that Vampires 
[11:13] <gnomefreak> calling people names is not helping you at all
[11:13] <Myrtti> I especially liked these parts of the discussion:
[11:13] <Myrtti> [13:05] <Vampires> fuck
[11:13] <Myrtti> [13:05] <Vampires> you
[11:13] <Myrtti> [13:05] <Vampires> mother fucker DIE
[11:13]  * gnomefreak suggests at least 48 hours
[11:14] <Myrtti> vertix: you've been muted so we can handle Vampires case
[11:14] <Vampires> then FUCK YOU . DO YOU THINK FREENODE IS THE ONLY IRC . YOUR FREENODE IS JUST A BURNT BITCH. BUNCH OF CLONES VPS AND BEGGING FOR DONATION. FUCK OFF
[11:14] <Myrtti> freenode is not ubuntu, ubuntu is not freenode
[11:14] <elky> i think we should forward him to #freenode.
[11:14] <gnomefreak> Vampires: that is why you were banned now please part this channel and come back in a few days
[11:14] <Madpilot> elky, +1
[11:14] <gnomefreak> elky: agreed since we cant forward him to /dev/null 
[11:15] <Vampires> why sould i come back after few days ? are you losing donners ? lmao
[11:15] <Myrtti> vertix: as I said, nobody apart from me can see what you're saying at the moment since you've been muted so we'd have a chance to handle Vampires case
[11:15] <gnomefreak> Vampires: no come back because you are way too hyper and being very unhelpful in resolving this.
[11:15] <Vampires> fuck you all
[11:16] <Vampires> opic is 'Welcome to the home of the Ubuntu IRC Team operators | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IrcTeam | This channel is for operator/abuse questions in the IRC Team domain only | Support in #ubuntu, #kubuntu etc... | LoCo channel discussion/issues etc to #ubuntu-irc | We reserve the right to remove idlers from the channel | Channel is logged at http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/ | Be good!'
[11:16] <Vampires> *** Set by Pici on Thu Jan 22 21:34:31
[11:16] <Vampires> -ChanServ- [#ubuntu-ops] Welcome to the home of the Ubuntu IRC Team operators - This channel is for operator/abuse questions in the IRC Team domain only - #ubuntu-irc has a broader scope
 Vampires: no come back because you are way too hyper and being very unhelpful in resolving this.
[11:16] <gnomefreak> hes not going to like that
[11:16] <Tm_T> awwww
[11:16] <Myrtti> ok, back to vertix
[11:17] <vertix> WHILE I was muted that was
[11:17] <Myrtti> vertix: hold on, need to get the logs online first
[11:17] <vertix> fine
[11:17] <Myrtti> after that, I'm off to really work
[11:18] <vertix> lemme do it myself by cut/paste:
[11:18] <vertix> one more time: I am talking about the most lethal version of rootkit known to
[11:18] <gnomefreak> Myrtti: i said that 3 hours ago  i still havent gotten there
[11:18] <vertix> date and I have information and logs to warn the public and take precautionary
[11:18] <vertix> measures and YOU are preventing me from solving this issues, getting the
[11:18] <vertix> opinions of others and informing public about this most dangerous rootkit system
[11:18] <Madpilot> vertix, so, as I said before, URL of bug report for this lethal rootkit, pls?
[11:19] <vertix> this information has been published in various places
[11:19] <vertix> in appropriate places
[11:19] <Tm_T> vertix: then give us some url?
[11:19] <Myrtti> http://paste.ubuntu.com/175544/
[11:19] <Myrtti> there we go
[11:19] <vertix> and I have all the evidence of this rootkit and all the attacking host in the network. those logs are in top shape
[11:20] <vertix> and I suspect THAT is the reason i was banned on the first place
[11:20] <tsimpson> saying you have proof is not proof in its self
[11:21] <Myrtti> oh god, I messed the logs up :-(
[11:21] <Madpilot> because you think Ubuntu ops code up rootkits for fun?
[11:21] <vertix> Myrtti, fine, I see that page, and what does it tell you?
[11:21] <Myrtti> stupid irc
[11:21] <topyli> @btlogin
[11:21] <vertix> I can produce 7 megs of logs, time stamped to the second resolution with ALL the packets by ALL involved hosts
[11:22] <Myrtti> ok, so everything needed is in before the LASTLOG line
[11:22] <vertix> and some of it has been published already
[11:22] <Flannel> vertix: and these logs show what?
[11:22] <topyli> @login
[11:22] <topyli> @btlogin
[11:22]  * Myrtti vanishes
[11:22] <vertix> Madpilot, YOU know better what #ubuntu-ops are about, and we'll get into it in more details, not to worry
[11:23] <vertix> Flannel, these logs shows the activity of their entire attacking network
[11:23] <Madpilot> we're supposed to code up rootkits as well as police Ubuntu IRC channels? I didn't get that memo... pity I suck at coding.
[11:24] <Flannel> vertix: Yes, and how do we come into all of this then?
[11:24] <vertix> and we are dealing with the rootkit allegedly released by recording industry to jeopardise torrent networks
[11:24] <vertix> and destroy as many systems as possible, according to google search on one of their main hosts
[11:24] <Flannel> If you have all the logs, why don't you just publish or whatever it is that one does with logs these days.
[11:25] <vertix> do you want to see a reference to that article regarding this host?
[11:25] <vertix> just a sec
[11:25] <vertix> 129.47.9.160
[11:25] <Myrtti> ubuntu IRC channels aren't the best places to publish such information anyway
[11:25] <vertix> that is one of their main hosts
[11:25] <Flannel> I don't.  Others might.  I just want to know how this affects us, and why we're coming into play.
[11:25] <Myrtti> if you want to get it properly spread out, blog about it with all your findings and do bug reports
[11:26] <vertix> It is MY busines what is the "best" place to publish such a thing, and #ubuntu with about 1500 participants at any given time, IS the right place in my opinion
[11:26] <vertix> 74.125.10.34 - 2nd level host
[11:26] <vertix> 67.55.13.135
[11:26] <Flannel> vertix: That's incorrect.  #ubuntu is for support discussions, not other topics.
[11:26] <Flannel> We don't even discuss Ubuntu in #ubuntu.
[11:27] <Myrtti> vertix: I've been on #ubuntu since 2005 and I think I've got a pretty good idea what goes on there - your cry would be lost there
[11:27] <vertix> I ams still waiting for exact and specific statement on my original ban, and OFFICIAL statement on this manner, and the results of your investigation and discussions with Jack_Sparrow
[11:27] <Flannel> So, I'm glad we've been able to warn you that attempting to announce it in #ubuntu would be fruitless, so you may turn your efforts elsewhere, to better places.
[11:27] <Myrtti> vertix: have you been here to discuss it with Jack_Sparrow?
[11:28] <Flannel> vertix: How does that affect your announcement of this rootkit?  How are we impeding your progress in the matter?
[11:28] <Flannel> Myrtti: aren't you supposed to be gone?
[11:28] <Myrtti> Flannel: I know, I got stuck with twitter
[11:28] <Myrtti> and designing kitchens
[11:28] <Flannel> Myrtti: Just say no to two point oh!
[11:28] <vertix> Flannel, that is EXACTLY what I was doing before I was banned, and ikonia apparently got very concerned with it for some strange reason, and so is Jack_Sparrow, who banned me for no reason at all
[11:28] <Madpilot> late to work because you were designing kitchens? that's a novel reason.
[11:29] <Flannel> vertix: What is exactly what you were doing?
[11:29] <vertix> Flannel, I was there not to announce the rootkit, I was there to discuss the specific issues related to compromised system
[11:29] <Myrtti> Madpilot: I've been "working" since four hours ago... telecommute of three meters from the bed to sofa
[11:29] <vertix> and directly related to Ubuntu
[11:29] <Myrtti> s/tele//
[11:30] <elky> vertix, where is your evidence of this rootkit?
[11:30] <Flannel> vertix: yes, well, as we said, we don't even discuss non-support Ubuntu topics in #ubuntu.
[11:30] <Madpilot> vertix, being persistantly off-topic in #ubuntu - which I can easily imagine - is an easy way to get banned. It's hardly unusual.
[11:30] <vertix> and the impression I have at this point, that for some unknown reason, you are interested in silencing me
[11:30] <vertix> Madpilot, I was not "off-topic"
[11:31] <Tm_T> vertix: if it's not ubuntu-support, it's off-topic
[11:31] <ikonia> is this still going on ?
[11:31] <elky> am i invisible?
[11:31] <vertix> Tm_T, have you seen the logs before you start fabricating this?
[11:31] <Flannel> elky: Yep.
[11:31] <Tm_T> vertix: which logs?
[11:32] <elky> vertix, i asked you a question.
[11:32] <vertix> logs of #ubuntu before I was banned
[11:32] <Tm_T> vertix: I merely said where goes the line of off-topic, didn't say you were or weren't
[11:32] <vertix> and I asked this already, and not once: WHAT SPECIFIC STATEMENT OF MINE RESULTED IN MY ORIGINAL BAN?
[11:33] <Flannel> vertix: No time for that, please continue regarding the rootkit.
[11:33] <Flannel> vertix: It's imperative you educate us sooner, so we can take action for its prevention.
[11:33] <vertix> Tm_T, before you start making conclusions, you have to study the SPECIFIC inssues, otherwise your conclusions are based on inventions and fabrications
[11:34] <vertix> Flannel, you can not even BEGIN to imagine what this rootkit is all about
[11:34] <Tm_T> vertix: I didn't make any conclusions
[11:34]  * gnomefreak justs needs name/numbers and i will find the rootkit but without those there is no way to look it up
[11:34] <elky> vertix, i've asked you already, can i see evidence of this rootkit?
[11:34] <vertix> and its destructive potential. and by now, I know more about it than anyone else I know of
[11:35] <Flannel> vertix: That's because I haven't heard enough.  Please, enlighten us.  Show us the way out of the cave so that we may no longer gaze upon the shadows of figures, but of the figures themselves.
[11:35] <gnomefreak> vertix: please just give us a url to the root kit other wise we can not confirm there is one that is out there
[11:35] <vertix> gnomefreak, I have the full details of this rootkits behavior, how it affects linux and jumps the o/s barrier, what it infects, including bios and MBR,
[11:35] <vertix> how it bypasses the kernel security
[11:36] <elky> vertix, we want to see that information right now.
[11:36] <gnomefreak> vertix: show me a lnk other wise i can tell you all about it as well
[11:36] <vertix> and totally controls the o/s before kernel security is enabled and kernel is armed
[11:36] <vertix> how it affects your network and disk drivers
[11:36] <vertix> and the rest of it
[11:36] <tsimpson> it also makes pink bunnies fly across the screen
[11:36] <elky> vertix, please link me to this information?
[11:36] <vertix> and it is spreading with thousands of copies every day
[11:36] <vertix> and no scanner can detect it
[11:37] <tsimpson> we can all make unfounded claims
[11:37] <gnomefreak> vertix: how did you hear about this rootkit?
[11:37] <vertix> becasue it modifies your MBR and gets into your bios
[11:37] <vertix> just pleast don't type anything
[11:37] <gnomefreak> cant provide info on it ban stays
[11:37] <vertix> and how it makes hidden partitions by changing your partition table during boot/shutdown
[11:37] <bazhang> ?
[11:37] <vertix> and how it addresses data on disk TOTALLY bypassing the o/s
[11:38] <elky> vertix, please link us to information on this threat
[11:38] <Madpilot> does it link to my bank account and steal all my money too?
[11:38] <vertix> and how it keeps tracks of all the viruses and trojans it already stored on your driver
[11:38] <Madpilot> of course, I don't have any money. Maybe it could steal my debt instead.
[11:38] <gnomefreak> there are no viruses at this time that affect linux
[11:39] <tsimpson> and it takes pictures with your webcam and send it off to the FBI too?
[11:39] <vertix> elky, you you all speak, then I can't even see it, because i am concerned with trying to give you the basic overall architecture of it
[11:39] <vertix> gnomefrea, my box was infected
[11:39] <vertix> and I have written a monitoring firewall
[11:39] <tsimpson> vertix: all we want is a link, not a "architecture" description
[11:39] <vertix> so I could do in seconds what would take you days
[11:39] <gnomefreak> vertix: that means nothing to us, that could have been a locale problem thats why we need the url
[11:40] <vertix> link to what?
[11:40] <elky> vertix, i want a webpage with this information on it
[11:40] <Myrtti> documentation of what you've found
[11:40] <tsimpson> to the information
[11:40] <vertix> url to what?
[11:40] <Madpilot> it forwards embarrassing drunken Facebook photos to all your supervisors, bosses and employers too, right?
[11:40] <Tm_T> vertix: we need the information we can see other than your lines in irc alone
[11:41] <vertix> check the logs of #security chan during may 1-17, grep for vertix, that is one place. other places I am not going to give you now
[11:41] <gnomefreak> vertix: so you "lost" the link to info about it?
[11:41] <elky> vertix, we need some evidence that's NOT you talking
[11:41] <tsimpson> no, not IRC logs, real information
[11:41] <vertix> Madpilot, stop ridiculing me
[11:41] <elky> vertix, we need someone to back your claims up
[11:41] <vertix> I have ALL the links I need
[11:41] <tsimpson> so post them
[11:42] <vertix> all saved, backed up on proper media
[11:42] <vertix> I gave you the link. study it
[11:42] <tsimpson> unless we see some authoritative information, we don't believe yoy
[11:42] <elky> what link? where?
[11:42] <tsimpson> *you
[11:42] <vertix> and IMMEDIATELY unban me on #ubuntu and stop banning me here, because it does not look good for YOUR record
[11:42] <gnomefreak> vertix: we are unable to confirm that there is a rootkit that is new, due to that you were still off topic in #ubuntu, please provide us a link on the rootkit and what it does so we can protect against it
[11:42] <vertix> and stop harassing and ridiculing me
[11:43] <elky> vertix, what link? you've not given me any URL
[11:43] <tsimpson> if you refuse to provide any evidence, then how are we to know if you are telling the truth or not?
[11:43] <Myrtti> vertix: we need independent data and we need to be able to confirm your findings ourselves
[11:43] <Myrtti> vertix: irc is not independent data
[11:43] <gnomefreak> until you can provide us with a link there is no use going on any longer
[11:43] <vertix> gnomefreak, you can fabricate anything you wish, but you did not see the specific information looks like. Did you see the #ubuntu logs to substantiate your claim?
[11:43] <Myrtti> as you claim yourself
[11:43] <Myrtti> you could fabricate anything you wish yourself
[11:44] <vertix> I can not speak to several people simultaneously, it is too fast to really see what you are trying to do
[11:44] <gnomefreak> vertix: you cant prove that is it out there so you would be the one fabricating info
[11:44] <Myrtti> vertix: then put it on a webpage!
[11:44] <gnomefreak> vertix: we all asked for the same info
[11:44] <vertix> Myrtti, I have the orignal logs and detailed description of its behavior (rootkit)
[11:44] <Flannel> vertix: And whats keeping you from sharing them with the world?
[11:44] <tsimpson> IRC logs are not evidence
[11:45] <gsuveg> re
[11:45] <gsuveg> hi
[11:45] <Flannel> Hi gsuveg, how can we help you today?
[11:45] <vertix> logs are for about a week, when I was playing with their network via enabling/disabling new rules, made specifically for this situation, and I can do it very quickly
[11:45] <gnomefreak> we need an official link say from norton mcafee ect...
[11:45] <Madpilot> anecdote + anecdote != evidence, as my philosophy prof was fond of saying
[11:45] <vertix> Flannel, I am ALREADY "sharing them with the world", trust me
[11:45] <Myrtti> vertix: link?
[11:45] <elky> gsuveg, please join #ubuntu-irc instead. this channel is noisy at the moment.
[11:45] <tsimpson> vertix: but just not us?
[11:45] <vertix> It has been already published in some key places
[11:46] <elky> vertix, where?
[11:46] <Madpilot> vertix, link to these key places plz?
[11:46] <Myrtti> old proverb of the jungle, URL OR IT DIDN'T HAPPEN
[11:46] <gnomefreak> vertix: key places without links tells us nothing
[11:46] <gsuveg> elky: i have big problem on #ubuntu-hu
[11:46] <Myrtti> gsuveg: #ubuntu-irc
[11:46] <elky> gsuveg, please join #ubuntu-irc for this.
[11:46] <Myrtti> gsuveg: that's for loco group channels
[11:46] <vertix> gnomefreak, I know how to approach it as far as Norton and others go and I know what is in my interests/concerns, etc.
[11:47] <Tm_T> vertix: honestly, why don't you show the information to us too?
[11:47] <vertix> gnomefreak, because I have reasons not to trust ANYONE of you at this point, because of YOUR "behavior", as strange as as suspicious as it is
[11:47] <elky> vertix, we're still not seeing anything to substantiate your account. we need corroborating evidence.
[11:47] <gnomefreak> vertix: for your ban we need to know about it or we have to say it does not exist
[11:48] <tsimpson> if not scanners can detect it, because it infects your BIOS and creates hidden partitions, what do Norton and others have to do with it?
[11:48] <vertix> Tm_T, I wish to show what I wish to show and in the places I wish to publish it, and at times I wish to decide, and I wish to say what I wish to say in any of those places, and you are no exception
[11:49] <tsimpson> frankly your claims are too far-fetched to be believed without some solid evidence, which you refuse to provide. so we refuse to believe you
[11:49] <vertix> tsimpson, there are other ways to detect it...
[11:49] <Tm_T> vertix: roger, we wish not to believe until we see some proof
[11:49] <vertix> it is a brand new design, there have never been anything even remotely as powerful as this one
[11:50] <vertix> it is a brilliant architecture and the way it hides itself no scanner can possibly see
[11:50] <elky> if no scanner can see it, then how did you?
[11:50] <Madpilot> and you found it how, when everyone else seems to have missed it?
[11:50] <vertix> Tm_T, about the LAST thing in my list of priorities is to provide "proof" to you here
[11:50] <tsimpson> if you refuse to provide any evidence, I see no point in discussing this any further
[11:51] <Tm_T> vertix: roger, then why you are here? giving us threats?
[11:51] <tsimpson> you ban will stand
[11:51] <vertix> you do what you want with this info, and I have given you plenty, including the #security log on freenode
[11:51] <tsimpson> vertix: we have already said that IRC logs are not evidence, and never will be
[11:51] <elky> if you have no links, then i'm going to have to ban you from here.
[11:52] <vertix> Madpilot, beause I happen to be one of key ppl in the industry and consulted silicon valley biggest names for years as a president of consulting corporation in silicon valley
[11:52] <tsimpson> then you don't need to be in #ubuntu to progress with this
[11:52] <vertix> I am here to see the SPECIFIC statement that states your official position on the matter of my original ban and subsequent prolongation of it for UTTERLY inappropriate reasons
[11:52] <vertix> simple as that
[11:52] <tsimpson> and so there's no point in removing the ban
[11:53] <vertix> and I could care less what you think as "evidence".
[11:53] <elky> enough. seriously.
[11:53] <Flannel> aww, I was going to answer him.
[11:53]  * elky waits for the lovely pms
[11:53] <Madpilot> wow. someone needs to take their meds...
[11:53] <bazhang> whoa great call by jack_sparrow to remove him
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[11:55] <bazhang> oh him?
[11:55] <Flannel> He's removed
[11:56] <Flannel> and in a query. joy.
[11:56] <jpds> See -irc.
[11:56] <Madpilot> damn, is it a full moon right now? The crazy, it doesn't seem to stop.
[11:58] <Flannel> Madpilot: Colleges are ending.
[11:58] <Madpilot> right, final exam stress has people off their meds, or just venting. Yay.
[12:01] <gnomefreak> just an update google nor deepdyve know anything about rootkit after 2006 now i am going to get some work done
[12:02] <Madpilot> no real rootkit news - what a surprise. of course, that's evidence of the vast conspiracy and sneakiness of this new one, you know
[12:02] <Flannel> gnomefreak: what about wolfram?!?
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[12:02] <elky> maybe wolfram knows about the uber rootkit
[12:05] <Madpilot> right, our entertaining loon has kept me up well past any sane bedtime. Must crash before I get keyboard face.
[12:05] <Madpilot> later, all.
[12:05] <elky> ciao
[12:05] <bazhang> night
[12:07] <gnomefreak> Flannel: never heard of wolfram
[12:08] <elky> gnomefreak, wolframalpha.com
[12:09] <gnomefreak> elky: thanks
[12:10] <gnomefreak> it doesnt know what to do with my serches :(
[12:11] <elky> hehe, what are you typing in?
[12:11] <gnomefreak>  
[12:11] <gnomefreak> Wolfram|Alpha isn't sure what to do with your input.Tips for good results »
[12:11] <gnomefreak> elky: started with latest know rootkits than known rootkits than rootkits
[12:11] <elky> hahaha. type in 'hello'
[12:11] <elky> gnomefreak, yeah, i wasnt being serious when i said that
[12:11] <gnomefreak> rookie is what is known
[12:12] <gnomefreak> oh
[12:12] <elky> it's a statistical and mathematical search engine, basically
[12:12] <gnomefreak> vool
[12:20] <elky> so nobody's had a word to __mikem yet, according to my logs.
[12:21] <ikonia> elky: jumbers was asking about it yesterday, I said I would chase up with you as I thought you /may/ have had a word
[12:21] <bazhang> as was rww
[12:21] <elky> he's not going to take me seriously.
[12:21] <elky> i have knickers to knot.
[12:21] <bazhang> heh
[12:22] <gnomefreak> where is he?
[12:22] <elky> not online at the moment
[12:23]  * gnomefreak wonders if it the same user that does all the bug work (alot of the bug work)
[12:23] <elky> saywhat? apparently ketchup and cola makes bbq marinade...
[12:23] <elky> gnomefreak, i doubt it.
[12:23] <gnomefreak> elky: good
[12:23] <bazhang> he mostly stabs with /me
[12:24]  * elky is going to get some pork ribs and do them in the slow cooker on the weekend. mmmmmmmmm.
[12:27] <gnomefreak> ah Micahg is who i was thinking of
[12:29] <Flannel> hahah
[12:29] <elky> i'm sick of ikanobori's innuendos
[12:30] <Seeker`> just his innuendos?
[12:30] <Flannel> elky: you still have +o, by the way
[12:30] <elky> liar.
[12:30] <Flannel> yep.  I lie for fun sometimes.
[12:30] <Flannel> you caught me
[12:53] <Pici> Yeesh.  That was way too many hilights in my away log for only be away for about 8 hours.
[13:34] <ikonia> Pici: what was your hilight keyword
[13:35] <Pici> ikonia: 'pici' '!-o-p-s' and a few select curses in #ubuntu.
[13:37] <ziroday> Hi, I just filed an edit request for !emerald?
[13:38] <ziroday> oh woops, that came out wrong. Is the edit request I filed okay? :)
[13:38] <Myrtti> !emerald
[13:39] <ziroday> Myrtti: there's nothing currently, but emerald has been dropped by the compiz folks for a while
[13:39] <ziroday> jasper's meant to replace it but never quite got there
[13:41] <topyli> emerald is not a window manager though :)
[13:42] <ziroday> s/window manager/window decorator
[13:42] <ziroday> topyli: my bads
[13:42] <topyli> how about "emerald is an obsolete window decorator for compiz. blah blah blah etc etc etc"
[13:43] <ziroday> sounds good to me
[13:44] <topyli> Amaranth might be able to create something that's correct :)
[13:46] <Myrtti> !emerald is an obsolete window decorator for compiz. It's unsupported and unmaintained, making issues with it very hard to diagnose and fix. There are no known, supported alternatives.
[13:46] <Myrtti> !emerald
[13:48] <Myrtti> ziroday: ^
[13:48] <ziroday> Myrtti: awesome! thanks again
[13:50] <Jack_Sparrow> !wubi
[13:51] <elky> does the bot take stats on the most requested non-existant factoids?
[13:51] <Jack_Sparrow> We need for this little fact to be available for potential users..
[13:51] <Jack_Sparrow> If there is a pre-existing directory called "ubuntu" in the target drive, it will be reused during the Windows installation and the full directory will be removed when uninstalling (364166). This will result in the loss of any files which were originally in that directory.
[13:51] <jussi01> elky: I dont think so, but if you file a bug requesting it...
[13:52] <Pici> I cleaned up a bunch of old 'only requested once or twice' factoids yesterday
[13:52] <topyli> Jack_Sparrow: oh yes. that can lead to terrible data loss
[13:52] <Myrtti> Jack_Sparrow: that factoid is already almost at its maximum length
[13:53] <Jack_Sparrow> Myrtti then we need another one.,  I HATE that program
[13:53] <Pici> And Ampelbein suggested a whole bunch of corrections/additions too
[13:57] <elky> Pici, it'd be nice to know what ones we need to be putting in. an unknown stats list with a blacklist would be good.
[13:59] <Pici> elky: I agree. 
[14:00] <elky> first word in the blacklists: 'sucks'.
[14:19] <ikonia> when did emerald become unsupported ?
[14:19] <elky> since compiz and beryl fused back together i think.
[14:20] <ikonia> I thought emerald was still going with fusion ?
[14:20] <ikonia> (wrongly obviously) 
[14:20] <elky> i dunno. i've never really used it at all.
[14:22] <ikonia> I've used it for ages, hence my wondering
[14:22] <ikonia> what replaces it ?
[14:25] <elky> ikonia, dunno. wait for ama ranth to respond to top yli's prompt above.
[14:26] <LjL> who's a ranth?
[14:28] <elky> LjL, the one starting with 'ama'
[14:28] <LjL> oh. i didn't realize on top yli of my head
[14:29]  * elky thwaps LjL over the head.
[14:29] <LjL> now it's all suddenly become clear.
[14:29] <ikonia> vetix kicking off in ##sercurity again
[14:30] <elky> ikonia, are there ##security ops around who can go whinge in #f?
[14:30] <ikonia> nah, they are just mocking him, they see him as funny sport
[14:30] <ikonia> channels quite op-quiet in general, never really needs anyone
[14:31] <LjL> and if there *were* op, we wouldn't know because the channel is set private :)
[14:31] <elky> ikonia, i hope they realise he thinks they take him seriously and use them as his evidence for places like here.
[14:32] <ikonia> not much he can use as evidence from "get out, your talking nonsense"
[14:39] <elky> yaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay. australia finally gets ubuntu dells! :D :D :D :D :D :D :D
[14:40] <elky> well... s/dells/dell/
[14:40] <LjL> elky: incredible.
[14:40] <elky> http://apcmag.com/Content.aspx?id=3919
[14:40] <LjL> elky: at this pace, perhaps some day you'll get real internet connections.
[14:40] <Pici> And cars, instead of riding around in kanagroo pouches
[14:40]  * Pici runs
[14:41] <LjL> ugh, ugly dell
[14:41]  * elky cries and goes back to her home in the branches of a gum tree
[14:42] <LjL> elky: don't cry so loudly
[14:42] <LjL> you'll scare the koala
[14:44] <elky> wth, 4th pic down on that article isnt even the latitude...
[14:51] <elky> stew, dave 2 was going to prod people about vertix, but i dont know if he did or not -- especially since he's still floating around and currently ranting in ##security
[14:52] <Gary> he is funny in ##security 
[14:53] <ikonia> VERY
[14:53] <elky> i just dont want him sparking up in -kernel etc and making us play whack-a-mole
[14:54] <elky> is ##security logged somewhere? :P
[14:54] <ikonia> elky: he's been given the warning of the topic in #kernel - slightlest noise and he's gone
[14:54] <ikonia> no, but gary is there so I'm sure he has logs, and I've got a few of his funny ones
[14:59] <Gary> thats if I remembered to get logging working...
[14:59] <ikonia> rubbish
[15:01] <Pici> ikonia: I don't think theres any point in responding to anything he says.  
[15:01] <ikonia> no, I concur
[15:01] <ikonia> however I was just ammusing myself
[15:01] <ikonia> he claims he's got me on ignore, yet seems to respond
[15:02]  * elky mibbits in
[15:04] <elky> aww, the show ended :(
[15:04] <elky> ok, now that ##security has gotten sick of him, can he please be nuked?
[15:08] <Ampelbein> hi. there was a spammer in #ubuntu-devel, but left already, see http://paste.ubuntu.com/175692/ . can there anything be done about that now he left?
[15:09] <LjL> Ampelbein: useless to do anything unfortunately, the "gast*" spammers come back with different hosts
[15:09] <Ampelbein> LjL: ok, that's very unfortunate. thanks you.
[15:09] <Ampelbein> bye
[15:16] <LjL> fix flosssy
[15:17] <LjL> thanks. Jack_Sparrow, you can just kick mibbit users in #ubuntu, they will be banned
[15:17] <Jack_Sparrow> ty
[15:18] <Jack_Sparrow> back after breakfast
[15:33] <Pici> I reported the gast person in #freenode, I have the url that it spams on hilight.
[15:33] <Pici> Er, I mean I reported it when it happened.
[15:52] <elky> off to bed.
[16:23]  * genii checks to make sure Pici isn't REALLY a bot...
[16:24] <Pici> genii: syntax error
[16:24] <genii> Uhoh
[16:24] <LjL> genii: try spilling coffee on him
[16:26] <LjL> can't even get the name of the site he spams right...
[16:29] <ikonia> guys, (jussi01 especially) I'd like to request at least a mute, if not a ban for eagles in #kubuntu-devel he's back to his old ways after another warning, offering to package things up, and test/mail upstream people when he has been asked not to 
[16:30] <ikonia> I'm going to speak jussi01 who's been putting in a fair bit of effort mentoring him from what I can see and scottk
[16:31]  * tsimpson lastlog's
[16:34] <tsimpson> I'd vote for bringing him in here to explain why, then muting for a period of time (regardless of the outcome of discussion with him in here)
[16:34] <ikonia> the expaination has happened 20- 30 times now
[16:34] <ikonia> hence why I'm requesting something along the lines of at least a mute
[16:35] <Pici> Indeed. He was banned from those channels for all of the Jaunty release cycle
[16:35] <ikonia> the nonsense he spouts to people is getting silly now
[16:35] <tsimpson> it's a shame, he's someone who's willing to do some work to help. just can't do it right
[16:35] <ikonia> it's just a destrication
[16:35] <ikonia> tsimpson: the difference is he's not willing to do the work 
[16:35] <ikonia> tsimpson: he says he's willing to do the work
[16:36] <tsimpson> ikonia: we he has been upstreaming bugs (but badly)
[16:36] <ikonia> correct
[16:36] <ikonia> because he doesn't knwo what he's typing
[16:36] <tsimpson> I've also seen complaints on advice in #k for the same reason
[16:36] <tsimpson> eager to help someone, but has no knowledge
[16:37] <LjL> don't confuse "no knowledge" with...
[16:37] <Pici> bad knowledge?
[16:37] <LjL> i know a lot of people who have no knowledge on reporting bugs upstream.
[16:37] <LjL> thing is, they generally won't report bugs upstream.
[16:37] <Pici> "11:24:09 <JontheEchidna> eagles0513875: please stop upstreaming bugs, I'm hearing that you are annoying upstream
[16:37] <tsimpson> LjL: upstreaming existing K/Ubuntu bugs to kde.org
[16:38] <LjL> yesss
[16:38] <ikonia> Pici: that was my request as he keeps saying that Jontheedchdna is asking him to do it
[16:38] <ikonia> Pici: so I asked him to say it clearly
[16:38] <Pici> Ah
[16:38] <tsimpson> but it seems like spamming bugs.kde.org now...
[16:38] <LjL> what i'm saying is that most people have enough common sense to realise they don't know how to do something, and so they won't do it until they do know
[16:38] <ikonia> he doesn't
[16:38] <ikonia> hence the danger
[16:38] <LjL> people who can't have that degree of common sense are better lost than found, imnsho
[16:38] <ikonia> telling people he'll package things, when he has no idea how to do it, 
[16:39] <ikonia> submitting a test result when he has no idea how to test it
[16:39] <ikonia> it's taining information and letting people down don't know his lack of ability better
[16:39] <tsimpson> and (on a personal annoyance), he has a habit of "lol"ing and not using punctuation
[16:39] <ikonia> even that he can't grasp "stop"
[16:40] <tsimpson> also, he should not be running karmic. he has no clue how/what to test and what to report
[16:40] <ikonia> that you can't stop him (I agree though)
[16:40] <tsimpson> and the concept of "things will break" seems to have missed him
[16:40] <ikonia> I do feel strong about wasting peoples time in #kubuntu-devel though
[16:41] <ikonia> he had this explained to him many times and still doesn't get it
[16:41] <ikonia> I've put in time, and I know jussi01 has put in a good ammount of effort too
[16:41] <tsimpson> yeah, it's not like we have a big kubuntu team
[16:42] <ikonia> I'm only voicing my opinion on this, on a personal note I've getting tired of his behaviour, and I feel a little insulted that after all the effort people puts in to him from multiple channels he ignores it and carries on 
[16:43] <tsimpson> I can understand that
[16:45] <tsimpson> perhaps the -devel land ban should extend to #k-devel now too
[16:45] <ikonia> I feel on a personal level he is a negative impact on the people he interacts with from new users who know no better, to core devs who waste time dealing with him, also his representation as acting on behalf ubuntu developers to upstream is not how I feel it should be represented
[16:45] <ikonia> that's only my personal opinion though 
[16:46] <ikonia> he has had over a year to change his behaviour and I see no change
[16:47] <tsimpson> he's not been able to stay out of the BT this year either
[16:47] <ikonia> which falls inline with my comment about his negative impact on users in general 
[16:48] <ikonia> I totally accept I'm being over firm on this because of the time I've personally wasted and know others have wasted hence why I'm not doing anything myself but just asking for opinions on this
[16:54] <tsimpson> I've just been looking over my logs of k-devel, probably 90+% of lines from him are nothing to do with development and are mildly offtopic for -devel
[16:54] <tsimpson> not that we really enforce the "ontopic"-ness in -devel, but when 90% of your messages are offtopic, that's an issue...
[16:55] <ikonia> get some input from jussi01 as a council member and as someone who's spent time mentoring him 
[16:55] <ikonia> I've made my opinion clear that I'm fed up with it and feel it has a negative impact on any interaction with him from anyone
[16:56] <ikonia> (or other council members Pici elky etc) I only said jussi01 as he's put in effort personally
[16:57] <LjL> well council doesn't have *overly* much to do with k-devel you know
[16:57] <ikonia> no, but in terms of irc policy and guidence
[16:59] <tsimpson> maybe we should invite riddell and/or jontheechidna to give their opinions
[16:59] <ikonia> scottK has passed opinion on this recently in this channel and jontheechidna gave it in a pm to me, but please by all means invite ask
[17:00] <ikonia> infact, I'm wrong, I spoke to riddle in here, not scottk
[17:00] <tsimpson> I expect I already know what they think, but it'll be good to have it "on the record"
[17:00] <ikonia> jontheechidna is on line and active now
[17:00] <ikonia> give him a prod
[17:01] <ikonia> riddle looks dead
[17:01] <tsimpson> he's probably drinking an iron bru
[17:03] <tsimpson> waiting for a response from jontheechidna
[17:04] <ikonia> ahh
[17:05] <ikonia> I'd messaged him too (from earlier when I asked him to confirm to eagles to stop working with upstream) 
[17:05] <ikonia> probably on flood protection
[17:05]  * genii makes more coffee
[17:05] <ikonia> I'll take a cup
[17:05] <tsimpson> [JontheEchidna] idle 00:27:21, signon: Sun May 17 17:38:5
[17:06] <ikonia> rubbish !
[17:06] <tsimpson> you calling freenode a liar? ;)
[17:08]  * ikonia books a k-ticket
[17:10]  * genii slides ikonia a large Ubuntu mug of coffee
[17:10] <ikonia> that's the idea
[17:15] <genii> Why are the manpages at  manpages.ubuntu.com  being pulled off of some freebsd manpages?
[17:15] <ikonia> a lot of man pages are freebsd
[17:18]  * jussi01 wakes up
[17:18] <jdong> do the commands come from BSD utilities?
[17:19] <ikonia> some of them do 
[17:19] <genii> The prob becomes in this instance when command names diverge and are unique to freebsd for instance. Or driver name AND instructions as in http://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/hardy/man4/bge.4.html
[17:19] <jdong> Provided by: freebsd-manpages_7.1~beta1-1_all bug
[17:19]  * genii looks for loader.conf
[17:19] <jdong> Ubuntu does have such packages
[17:19] <jdong> !info freebsd-manpages
[17:20] <jdong> it comes from our Debian kFreeBSD friends :)
[17:20] <jdong> so yes, you will find snd, pcm, msk, ..
[17:21] <jussi01> ikonia: ping
[17:26] <Amaranth> ikonia: Nothing replaces emerald but it has been unsupported since beryl renamed to compiz-fusion. The only real changes that have been made to it since then are the minimum requires changes to keep it working.
[17:27] <Amaranth> ikonia: Starting with compiz 0.9.x not even that is going to be done
[17:27] <ikonia> pong
[17:27] <ikonia> Amaranth: I'm shocked
[17:27] <ikonia> Amaranth: so what is the fusion component to provide emerald functionality ?
[17:28] <ikonia> jussi01: pong sorry
[17:28] <Amaranth> Nothing
[17:28] <ikonia> so there is no decorator ?
[17:28] <Amaranth> The plan was jasper would replace it but then it started getting crazy with everything as plugins and then development stalled on it
[17:28] <Amaranth> ikonia: gtk-window-decorator and kde4-window-decorator
[17:28] <Amaranth> metacity and kwin themes
[17:28] <ikonia> oh dear
[17:28] <ikonia> how dissapointing, 
[17:29] <Amaranth> If you had ever had a problem with emerald you would have found out earlier :P
[17:29] <Amaranth> Most people have come to the dev channel with a problem, learned this, and freaked out
[17:30] <ikonia> that's the problem, emerald has worked well for me since day one
[17:30] <Amaranth> But user protest is not enough to stop this from happening, look at the code for emerald and tell me you'd want to maintain it
[17:30] <ikonia> no no, not complaining, just surprised
[17:30] <ikonia> I'm a bit out of the loop on eye candy
[17:30] <LjL> uh so what does this mean in practical terms?
[17:31] <ikonia> no compiz eye candy decorator
[17:31] <Amaranth> LjL: It means you only get metacity and kwin themes with compiz
[17:31] <LjL> that a bad thing? i thought metacity and kwin had a few themes for them
[17:32] <Amaranth> LjL: No translucent parts or glow
[17:32] <ikonia> not a bad thing, just a personal preference
[17:32] <LjL> ah
[17:32] <ikonia> oxydgen is a good feature in emerald
[17:32] <ikonia> is the term "painter" ?
[17:33] <Amaranth> I think the term is "giant freaking hack"
[17:33] <ikonia> oh
[17:33] <Amaranth> but let's go with painter, sure
[17:33] <ikonia> painter it is 
[17:33] <Amaranth> emerald is slow too
[17:34] <Amaranth> ever notice how even with live resize emerald stretches?
[17:34] <ikonia> I've not found it slow at all to be honest, 
[17:36] <jussi01> sory ikonia, was on phone. see pm
[17:36] <ikonia> no no, no problem
[17:37] <jussi01> will someone bring me food? 
[17:37] <jussi01> :/
[17:37] <LjL> no
[17:37] <ikonia> jussi01: what do you want
[17:38]  * genii sneaks jussi01 a roast beef sandwich
[17:38] <LjL> fried eagles
[17:38] <ikonia> yummy
[17:38] <jussi01> ikonia: something, warm and tasty
[17:38] <ikonia> I am stopping at the shop on the way home to get something GREAT and I have a 30 year old bottle of red wine to drink tonight so need to get food to match it
[17:38]  * jussi01 tries to find a place that does deliveries *and* accepts credit card
[17:39] <ikonia> jussi01: chineese for you tonight I think
[17:39] <jussi01> :D
[18:05] <Pici> genii, jdong: The manpages from funny-manpages are also on manpages.u.c
[18:05] <jdong> lol
[18:05] <jdong> well I suppose they just extracted all manpages out of all packages
[18:06] <genii> Hm
[18:08] <Pici> http://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/jaunty/en/man1/date.1fun.html
[18:37] <Pici> forces, Nehyx: How can we help you?
[18:38] <Nehyx> Pici: I am searching logs :)
[18:38] <Pici> Nehyx: And does that require you to be in this channel?
[18:38] <Nehyx> #ubuntu-es
[18:38] <Nehyx> I think yes
[18:38] <Nehyx> because he ban me in #ubuntu-es-ops only for ask reason
[18:39] <Nehyx> http://logs.ubuntu-eu.org/free/2009/05/19/%23ubuntu-es.html
[18:39] <Nehyx> the problem, it's in spanisg
[18:39] <Nehyx> spanish*
[18:39] <forces> Nehyx was banned without reason
 P3L|C4N0: que programa de irc usas?
 la mayoria de los ops usan irssi
[18:40] <Pici> Nehyx: We do not handle loco team channels here. #ubuntu-irc exists for that very reason.
[18:40] <Nehyx> *** P3L|C4N0 sets mode: +b %*!*@16.85-84-40.dynamic.clientes.euskaltel.es
[18:41] <Pici> Additionally, thats a mute, not an outright ban.
[18:41] <Nehyx> yes
[18:41] <Nehyx> but I can't speak
[18:41] <forces> we say that in #ubuntu-irc but anybody speak there
[18:44] <Pici> forces, Nehyx: Still, we do not handle these issues in #ubuntu-ops. Lets return to -irc and talk there.
[18:45] <Nehyx> Pici: ok, thanks for help
[18:55] <Myrtti> forces: how can we help you?
[18:56] <forces> o_0
[18:56] <forces> nehyx is out
[18:56]  * forces out
[19:18] <talishte> o/
[19:18] <Seeker`> talishte: how can we help you?
[19:20] <talishte> we are in Ubuntu-gt chanel and we work in this is the actual operator of the mail list https://launchpad.net/~jaroche
[19:20] <Seeker`> pardon?
[19:21] <LjL> err
[19:21] <LjL> loco channel issues should be in #ubuntu-irc
[19:21] <Myrtti> if this is about a loco channel, please join #ubuntu-irc
[19:21] <talishte> thanks
[19:22] <Seeker`> talishte: jdardon tuxtor : Please don't idle in here
[19:23] <talishte> Seeker`, thanks again
[19:24]  * LjL wonders
[19:24] <Seeker`> what?
[19:25] <LjL> what the hell's going on with them, and what talishte meant to say
[19:28] <Seeker`> #I'm guessing that the person that owns the channel has disappeared
[19:31]  * genii sips and ponders Guatemala
[19:32]  * Seeker` ponders the dyslexic philosopher, who ponders the existence of Dog
[19:32]  * jussi01 moves on to 3rd beer/drink for the night....
[19:33] <topyli> restrain this man!
[19:34] <jussi01> topyli: sadly thats all I have in the house...
[19:34] <Seeker`> jussi01: Not furniture? :(
[19:34] <jussi01> Seeker`: shut up
[19:35] <jussi01> you know what I meant :P
[19:35] <Seeker`> :P
[19:35] <topyli> furniture is for external use only :(
[19:36]  * Seeker` decides not to push jokes in that direction
[19:43] <nalioth> anyone any good at embedding youtube videos in html?  i'm doing what should be simple (pasting the embed code from youtube), but the page displays all the text of the code instead of a player window
[19:45] <Seeker`> nalioth: mime types set up properly on the server?
[19:47] <nalioth> i dont control the server, but it should be (dreamhost is the server)
[20:00] <Mamarok> hi all
[20:00] <Myrtti> ehlo
[20:00] <Pici> Howdy
[20:01] <Tm_T> hi Mamarok 
[20:01]  * jussi01 waves
[20:01] <Mamarok> oh, quite some know faces around here :)
[20:01] <Tm_T> Mamarok: where?
[20:01]  * Mamarok *waves*
[20:01]  * Tm_T hides
[20:03] <jussi01> btw, for all those not in the know, Mamarok is here as a #kubuntu op :)
[20:04] <topyli> o/
[20:04] <Seeker`> :O
[20:04] <Myrtti> hola Mamarok 
[20:05] <Mamarok> hi all o/
[20:05] <Myrtti> never too many females around :-)
[20:05] <Mamarok> :)
[20:06] <Mamarok> well, there are quite a few as I see...
[20:06] <nalioth> "There are no females on teh interwebz"
[20:06]  * nalioth runs
[20:06] <jussi01> hehe
[20:07] <nalioth> welcome, Mamarok 
[20:07] <nalioth> "You don't have to be crazy to work here, but it helps."
[20:08] <Mamarok> nalioth: I guess I am crazy enough, doing support in #kubuntu ;)
[20:08] <nalioth> Seeker`: was using non xhtml code and it wasn't compatible.  problem solv0rd.  thanks
[20:20] <Myrtti> !ftbs
[20:21] <Myrtti> does someone actually *USE* that factoid?
[20:22] <ikonia> never seen it
[20:24] <Pici> requested 5 times
[20:24] <Myrtti> !-ftbs
[20:24] <Myrtti> Pici: requested 5 times in it's existance?
[20:25] <Myrtti> omglol.
[20:25] <Tm_T> Myrtti: 2 of 5 is you? (;)
[20:26] <Myrtti> Tm_T: never seen that factoid before
[20:27] <Tm_T> Myrtti: yes but pici said 5 after you just called it atleast once
[20:27] <Seeker`> !ftbs
[20:29] <jussi01> nobody knows it, but if they did it would get used...
[20:30] <jussi01> Myrtti: the acronym is used ofeten in -motu ond -devel chans - if the factoid was fleshed out a bit it would be useful IMHO
[20:30] <Myrtti> *sniffles*
[20:32] <Pici> jussi01: now look what you did
[20:32] <jussi01> hehe
[21:10] <Pici> LjL: do you have unban on hilight in #ubuntu?
[21:11] <LjL> Pici: my highlights are only divulged under NDA
[21:11] <LjL> Pici: (no, i have "ban" on highlight)
[21:11] <Pici> LjL: (ah)
[21:12] <LjL> Pici: but i caught this one by chance, the highlight is \bban\b, or it would catch too many unrelated syllables
[21:12] <LjL> i was more keeping an eye on uatec
[21:13] <Pici> LjL: Ah, as was I.
[22:25] <Myrtti> Socah: how can we help you
[22:25] <Myrtti> TheKmartTroll: how can we help you?
[22:25] <TheKmartTroll> Tell ##ubuntu that I demand the ops say "Ich bin Deutsch" in the channel or the campaign will go on. Mein Kampf: There seems to have been no clarity on the very first question: Is propaganda a means or an end? It is a means and must therefore be judged with regard to its end. It must consequently take a form calculated to support the aim which it serves.
[22:25] <TheKmartTroll> ATTENTION KMART SHOPPERS!
[22:26] <Socah> I was talking about this
[22:26] <TheKmartTroll> Yeah, he is flooding me
[22:26] <TheKmartTroll> Some meinkampf troll was spamming me what I pasted above
[22:28] <Myrtti> Flannel: nice!
[22:28] <Flannel> Myrtti: looks like it's been handled.
[22:28] <Myrtti> yup
[22:28] <MartinLKing> Okay, I'm having trouble joining ##ubuntu
[22:28] <Flannel> MartinLKing: That's because we don't take kindly to spammers.
[22:28] <Myrtti> that would be because of your friend TheKmartTroll 
[22:28] <MartinLKing> What? I didn't do it!
[22:29] <MartinLKing> It was TheKmartTroll that did it.
[22:29] <Myrtti> MartinLKing: funny that you both come from same ip address
[22:29] <LjL> shame you are the same person
[22:29] <MartinLKing> I can prove it--ask anyone who got crapflooded with the Kmart ads.
[22:29] <Myrtti> "it wasn't me, it was the one armed man"
[22:29] <MartinLKing> Seriously, we don't even have the same IP
[22:29] <Myrtti> MartinLKing: /who cpe-24-93-138-183.maine.res.rr.com
[22:29] <Myrtti> MartinLKing: seriously, you do
[22:29] <MartinLKing> Yeah, but we don't even have the same IRC client
[22:30] <LjL> MartinLKing: stop wasting people's time
[22:30] <Flannel> Oh, IRC clients determine unique persons now?
[22:30] <MartinLKing> So, we could be in a  library.
[22:30] <LjL> no, you aren't.
[22:30] <LjL> now go away
[22:31] <MartinLKing> Here, I can prove he isn't me...
[22:31] <MartinLKing> Wait, he wont' join
[22:31] <MartinLKing> Hey, kmart troll: Are you me?
[22:31]  * LjL rolls eyes
[22:31] <TheKmartTroll> Was ist das?
[22:31] <nalioth> may i suggest you depart this channel and act more responsibly
[22:32] <TheKmartTroll> Ich spreche Deutsch. :S
[22:32] <Myrtti> TheKmartTroll, MartinLKing you're not getting unbanned
[22:32] <Flannel> Socah: We believe the issue has been handled, is there anything else we can help you with today?
[22:32] <MartinLKing> Okay, let me quote Thomas Jefferson upon parting: "Judge a man not buy his age, but by his work." (quoted by President Reagan)
[22:32] <Myrtti> not in the near future anyway
[22:33] <h4ll0ck> hi
[22:33] <Socah> Flannel, no, thank you - bye
[22:33] <Myrtti> h4ll0ck: how may we help you?
[22:33] <Flannel> Socah: Have a nice day
[22:33] <LjL> h4ll0ck: hi
[22:33] <h4ll0ck> theres someone that are saying me to unbun a person and saying me things about germany and about comunists
[22:33] <LjL> h4ll0ck: someone who goes by the name of?
[22:33] <nalioth> h4ll0ck: thanks for coming , but it's been handled
[22:34] <h4ll0ck> TheKmartTroll
[22:34] <h4ll0ck> ok thanks
[22:34] <h4ll0ck> the other person
[22:34] <h4ll0ck> he says that: Tell the ops to unban Mibbit.
[22:34] <h4ll0ck> thanks for all
[22:34] <h4ll0ck> bye :)
[22:34] <LjL> h4ll0ck: sorry about that.
[22:39] <LjL> nalioth: join #solaris
[22:39] <LjL> ktroll spamming there
[22:39] <LjL> seeing it mentioned in #fn
[22:40] <Mamarok> bed time for me, gn8 everyone
[22:40] <Myrtti> nini Mamarok 
[22:44] <Seeker`> nini Mamarok 
[23:28] <Flannel> ubugtu doesn't exist anymore?
[23:33] <LjL> hasn't for ages
[23:52] <Ampelbein> Hi. I tried changing a factoid some hours ago, namely ftbs. This should become a alias for a new factoid ftbfs, describing what it means and give a link to the packages currently ftbfs. was there a problem with that factoid?
[23:52] <Myrtti> we were discussing the necessity of it in the first place
[23:52] <Myrtti> jussi01 had some insight
[23:54] <Ampelbein> Myrtti: well, i can imagine that it would be useful in the ?ubuntu-devel and/or ubuntu-motu channel. but as ftbs is a not so well distributed acronym, i don't think it was used often. The more accepted acronym is ftbfs, that's why i tried changing that.
[23:58] <Myrtti> Ampelbein: which was what jussi01 said
[23:58] <Myrtti> anyway, time to go beddybyes, talk to you all later
[23:59] <Ampelbein> ok, I'll let you handle it from here.
[23:59] <Ampelbein> bye