[00:16] nubae: other distros are running circles around edubuntu ? which distros, i might have to convert [00:17] Lns there is the divide. ur a tech, so of course it just works. try it out in the hands of a layman [00:18] is ubuntu getting input from people on jaunty before release? [00:18] how many schools have the resources to do testing. if ubuntu isn't testing, then it's jaunty beta [00:19] morever, imho, if ur running ltsp or edubuntu and it's not ready, then a seperate upgrade/release schedule needs to be planned and that needs to be tied to the package manager [02:16] Evening all [02:45] a week or so? sounds like there is something going on behind the scenes? [02:48] * sbalneav *shrugs* [02:48] Did LaserJock officially pack it in? [02:55] he's working on his disertation [02:56] i think that's what did it for him. so i'd say yes [02:56] looks like nubae kinda dropped his activity. our lab is running but upon upgrading we ended up with tremendous problems related to ltsp [02:57] what's interesting is that edubuntu thinks that ltsp is not tied to it. but there is no way i'd deploy 100 edubuntu desktops without ltsp. who wants to run around updating or correcting every desktop [03:03] exactly [03:05] What always got to me, and I hope that I'm not sounding too bitter, is that the number of people actually DOING things was so small. Me, you D. V-A, nubae, LaserJock, HighVoltage, and originally ogra. [03:07] We had lots of people shouting "More! More!", and adding lots of suggestions, but when it came to actully having butts in chairs coding, it was the same old people slogging away. [03:07] The bug day was where I started to lose interest. [03:07] All these teachers screaming "Fix our bugs!" and not ONE of them showed up to help. [03:08] sigh. [03:08] Oh, well, if we're going to make another go of it, I'm in for another round. [03:08] I'm nothing if not a glutton for punishment. [03:08] I'm planning on focusing on docs, and getting sabayon going, [03:09] One other thing I'd suggest: we tie edubuntu releases to the LTS ubuntu releases, and not to the 6 monthly releases. [03:09] We just don't have the personpower to keep up with that pace. [03:13] actually, i might suggest taking the debain direction on releases for edubuntu [03:13] specifically if it aint stable, don't release that particular product [03:13] that allows people breathing space [03:14] and a bulleted item list of what's being worked on ... so if someone asks you can point to the list and say wait your turn [03:14] ah, i'm backreading and neglected to see your tie to LTS. yes, i'd agree with that [03:16] Yeah, either a "when it's done" philosophy, or at least tie to lts. [05:08] hey sbalneav [05:09] sbalneav: the LTS idea is interesting, I think it's worth while exploring [08:26] morning [14:47] highvoltage: hey hey [14:48] sbalneav: yo yo [14:48] nice to see u on the channel [14:49] I've seen some real enthusiasm from new users in the last 2 weeks, lets see if it sticks... [14:57] Nice to see you again too! [15:14] hey sbalneav, nubae [15:14] nubae: it's been nice seeing it [15:14] nubae: I'm glad that people still care [15:15] yeah but 'm also glad that non of us is doing anything until we see some action [15:15] :/ [15:16] well, it's not really like that [15:17] sure, I think we need some proof at this stage that something will happen [15:17] anyway a meeting is a good start [15:17] Friday is fine with me [15:20] 18:00 utc is 12:00 or so here, fine with me [15:22] need to make sure Laserjock can make it then too, since he's so busy right now [15:23] If he's working on his disertation, leave him be. His education's more important than edubuntu. [15:24] for sure, but he may still want to be here, even if its couple minutes [15:36] meeting today? [15:36] i just noticed a e-mail about edubuntu bieng a "community" project. any chance at this point forking it into something useful? [15:37] * sbalneav rolls eyes [15:37] And forking it is going to fix it's problems how? [15:37] * nubae rolls eyes even further back [15:37] hrm, the complaint is no developers and/or to many restrictions [15:38] in my not so humble opinion, we need to regress back to a time when edubuntu was a distro [15:38] forking it would put the devs outside of those restrictions [15:38] with ltsp in it [15:38] What restrictions?!?! [15:38] sheesh, do i really have to do a readback and pull up all the conversations of yesterday? [15:38] maybe the one I just mentioned, though I doubt its a restriction [15:39] ah, so edubuntu is dead in it's own right? [15:39] and conical has had no influence over it's direction [15:40] I wasn't here for any conversation yesterday, but I fail to see how we're restricted in ANYTHING, other than too much work to do for too few people. [15:41] Which is why I'd suggest tying ourselves to an LTS release, to allow the few people we HAVE more time to work on things, rather than the frantic 6 month time schedule. [15:41] well, we're not exactly being praised by canonical, in other words, it doesnt seem to care about edubuntu too much [15:41] or do what opensuse does which is create snapshots on a very regular basis and ask people to rsync to the latest dvd (which includes everything educational) about 2 gigs [15:42] this way incremental images can be downloaded... this is for livedvds, which in my opinion is really really necessary for edubuntu [15:43] some kind of theme applied to a livecd/dvd that really shows its an educational project with a nice choice of both server and client applications [15:43] I'm fine with the idea of producing an actual distro. I'm EVEN fine with saying we must be distributed on a DVD. One of ogra's biggest headaches was trying to fit everything on a cd. If we're "community" based now, and someone's willing to do the work on producing the dvd images, I think it would be a good thing. [15:43] when does the meeting start? i'm us central [15:44] what was the problem with creating cd's ? [15:44] Friday at 12:00 central was mentioned, although, with the exception of LaserJock, we've kind of got most of the people here now :) [15:45] Ahmuck: 2 problems [15:45] good, pre-meeting is running ? :) [15:45] 1) Canonical's policy of "must be cd and not dvd", which, as a community project, we're not bound to. [15:45] now, anyway [15:46] 2) finding someone to do the work. [15:46] 2) being the central edubuntu problem in general :) [15:46] what is wrong with getting it on a cd? that's the question i meant to ask [15:46] Too much stuff. [15:47] how so. it's simply a theme with additional programs. why can't the additional programs be downloaded after the install? [15:47] All base ubuntu programs + langpacks + edubuntu software > 700 mb [15:47] any reason not to have a net based install? [15:47] Ahmuck: What do you do for people with no internet access? [15:47] Say, people in Brazil [15:47] we can make 2 things, a dvd that is the main thing we concentrate on and then a really speedy thinned down maybe even xfce based edu live cd that can be put onto usb stick too [15:48] or in south africa [15:48] r people in brazil, if they don't have internet going to have dvd ? [15:48] people in Brazil generally have internet [15:48] DVD may be EASIER to get than internet [15:48] its more in places like Nepal, Mongolia [15:48] but won't do a thing if you don't have a dvd player [15:48] nubae: in the major urban centers, yes [15:49] in the more rural areas no. [15:49] even in our area, people are still using comptuers that only have cdrom [15:49] I wonder, if people don't have internet, isn't it easier to send them a dvd with full language support than for them to download it over the internet? Cause the CD doesn't have e.g. greek lang support... [15:49] well, there they dont have money for a computer either usually :-) [15:49] Same for progs [15:49] nubae: No, they have computers [15:49] (hi sbalneav, long time no see :)) [15:49] i'd like to see a cd with the core, and then a second cd with additional programs [15:49] I've been to brazil twice, and I'm going there again in 5 weeks for FISL [15:49] yeah, I think its important that edubuntu be a distro for those reasons [15:50] oh no... just 2 different approaches [15:50] hey hey alkisg nubae Ahmuck highvoltage etc etc if I forgot any hello's !:) [15:50] one would be to enable slower older computers to run a edubuntu image [15:50] for example, i'm kubuntu and use ubuntu ltsp in the lab. however we download things like scribus, gimp, etc. both in the office and in the lab [15:50] and the other is the nice jam packed dvd with all the best edu on it [15:50] Ahmuck: That's what we've got now. Ubuntu plus edubuntu addon cd [15:51] that has to go, please tell me that is a possibility [15:51] correct, u have ubuntu on a cd plus the add on edubuntu. why not edubuntu with an addon cd for the programs [15:51] the problem that nubae points out is, if you want to SHOW someone edubuntu, you can't. [15:51] Ahmuck: as far as I understand we have less restrictions now than ever [15:51] you have to install ubuntu, then install the addon cd. [15:51] * Ahmuck needs to look at the addon cd [15:51] so we create 2 images... one for cds, and one for dvd [15:52] usb sticks are becoming ever more popular to load from too [15:52] especially in schools [15:52] Sure, sounds good [15:52] so that is another area to focus on [15:52] i'd really like to see edubuntu on a cd with ltsp as a option, but without the programs. the program can be just that a "program" cd [15:52] (and I'm yelling purely for comic effect here) [15:52] WHO'S GOING TO PRODUCE THESE IMAGES?! :) [15:53] hehe [15:53] i'll be glad to look at that this week. [15:53] btw, i know no programming [15:54] I'm more "upstream". producing cd's is more of a packaging thing, and I think my talents (! such as they are) are better spent fixing bugs in LTSP, Documentation, and programs like Sabayon. [15:54] all the "packaging policy" stuff just confuses me. [15:54] If edubuntu is going to become a live dvd, I'm willing to spend several weeks on it (casper or whatever it takes) to help out. [15:55] k, let me ask a different question. what is edubuntu? [15:55] fine, well, I understand packaging and iso creation quite well so I am glad to work on that [15:55] Edubuntu, to me, should be "a classroom on a (cd|dvd)" [15:55] its really not rocket science at all [15:56] what is a classroom on a cd? [15:56] there are many automated tools to get that out there [15:56] is there a definitive list of what a classroom is? [15:56] yup, themed cd with basic edu apps [15:56] is there a list of edu apps? [15:56] A combination of an operating system, educational programs, and a thin client solution with management tools bundled in. [15:56] well, I send Laserjock a long list of includable apps that seemed to work great in the classroom [15:57] right! [15:57] are we talking childrens apps, or classroom apps? [15:57] both Ahmuck [15:57] sorry to be awkward - what are we talkin about? [15:57] i only just got home [15:57] there is a server component side (moodle, class, mahara, koha, LAMP stack) and there is the python activities [15:57] nubae: You may *think* it's not rocket science, but beleive me, don't sell yourself short. I think all the "rules and regulations" surrounding packaging are VERY complex to me, and I admire anyone who can make heads or tails of them. [15:57] such as gcompris, childsplay, etc etc [15:58] sbalneav: I use opensusebuild service to package sugar, and we spec files, no policy there, which makes it a great deal easier and faster [15:59] but raelly, its just about knowing which deps and the name of the deps [15:59] Ahmuck: I'd say, currently, edubuntu's focus has been on K-12 [15:59] as they vary from distro to distro [16:00] * bencrisford_ wonders what he missed :( [16:00] http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2009/05/20/%23edubuntu.html [16:00] bencrisford_: In a word, we're trying to re-kickstart edubuntu development. [16:00] ah yeah :) weve been discussing this for days though [16:00] even weeks [16:00] i only been here for a few days though [16:01] Maybe we could attack the problem in this way: [16:02] Lets do a skills inventory of everyone here, what parts they're willing/wanting to work on, and then fit things out from there... [16:02] I'll go first [16:03] For bencrisford_'s benefit, I'm Scott Balneaves, mainly with the LTSP project. I'm interested in 1) working on the LTSP thin client side of things 2) working on both LTSP documentation AND the edubuntu handbook, 3) Fixing bugs in management apps like Sabayon, and 4) Fixing general bugs in apps, either C or Python are my specialties. [16:04] ok nice :) [16:04] hmmm ok, should I go next? [16:04] It's all you, dude :) [16:05] mind if i jump in next? [16:06] My name's Ben Crisford, i've been contributing to ubuntu for a while, and working on a couple of projects (including eskole which is related). I am fairly experienced with bug triaging and marketing, and slightly more experienced with documentation. [16:06] I have skills in web development [16:06] and some software development ability [16:06] I'm David Van Assche, also worked quite closely with LTSP project, especially the ltsp manual, which actually is very relevant to ubuntu as we know, and I am pretty good at shell coding, having created the fat client script, and I know php fairly well so web side based stuff is not out of the wquestion either. I'm the oficial sugar package manager for opensuse [16:07] Sugar is my main focus, and would be for ubuntu too [16:07] Yeah id like to get involved in whatever I can [16:07] hopefully some bug fixes [16:07] well, that and getting a nice stack of edu apps running [16:07] bugfixing and hacking at code I don't really like unless I'm forced to do that [16:07] nubae and I, without putting too fine a point on it, have really produced the first, and pretty much only, ltsp5 doco :) [16:08] hehe, yeah indeed [16:08] Alkis Georgopoulos - I'm a Greek teacher using Ubuntu/LTSP for the last two years, experienced windows :( programmer, still new to linux administration/bug reporting-fixing/packaging but I'm learning fast, willing to spend a lot of time on whatever it takes (e.g. casper, live ltsp stuff) to make edubuntu a live dvd. [16:08] alkisg: go, dude [16:08] whoops, you're too fast for me [16:08] Heh :) [16:09] so, another question, what archs do we want to target if it becomes a distro... [16:09] I'd imagine one possibility would be to take netbook remix and educationalise it [16:09] Ahmuck, then highvoltage [16:09] that could be the smaller cd [16:09] eunr would be cool [16:10] yeah it would [16:10] it would give us an original product apart from the dvd [16:10] something to give us the edge again in the distro scene [16:10] Why don't we think about a WUBI/portable ubuntu style thing, where you can run edubuntu and it would give you an educationalised main menu for you to move around [16:10] that would be a starting point ? [16:11] thats whaat netbook remix is bencrisford_ [16:11] oh [16:11] lol sorry [16:12] One of the FIRST things I think we should decide, is who we're tied to. The 6 month releases? Or the LTS with some backports? [16:13] depends on how many developers/contributors we get [16:13] perhaps we should wait for the UDS [16:13] why either of them... we could say we'll release something when we're at 0.5 [16:13] u know... go into beta mode [16:13] sbalneav: hmm? [16:13] and after that go with LTS indeed [16:14] highvoltage: what are your skills, and what are you interested in working on. [16:14] not a bad idea :) [16:14] just for the record, so we know where we're at. [16:15] nubae: ok, but if you want to produce a live cd, what do we use? Jaunty? Or Hardy? [16:15] Jaunty, and then go with the next LTS [16:16] we need to make sure we've got the latest libs and stuff for many of the new and upcoming edu apps/projects [16:16] hardy would make us again stuck in the past [16:16] OK, sounds reasonable. [16:17] I'm willing to suspect most teachers will want to stick with LTS long term [16:17] for sure [16:17] Yes, as long as they don't miss important stuff, e.g. some new flash version that's fast with ltsp and doesn't hang up :P [16:18] but we must make it easy for them to upgrade, and seperate apps by subject/theeme [16:18] hey [16:18] well, we can be in beta to begin with addding everything we want [16:18] until we are happy... [16:18] and if we get ourselves up to the point where we're tracking LTS, it gives US time to work on things rather than the frenetic 6 month cycle, which, quite frankly, I just don't have the time to commit to. [16:18] then we go along with LTS [16:19] right, me either, but in the beginning we're gonna have to put some good time in [16:19] mostly its just creating metapackages [16:19] ie, science, maths, languages, etc etc [16:19] I will go on record, right now, that if we're going to try to make a go of this, I'll find the time. [16:19] then we decide to carry both kde and gnome, and Sugar as windows managers so there is greater choice [16:19] add LTSP and LDAP support [16:20] amen to LDAP [16:20] Live LTSP, or only after the hd installation? [16:20] ldap's a big one. [16:20] well, opensuse has it integrated really nicely [16:21] Did opensuse just pick a "standard" way to do it, and build on that? [16:21] so we should look at how we can copy what they've done. They do it through yast, but in fact their entire user managament is really great. User management is something REALLY lacking ubuntu... [16:21] do u think we could put LDAP support into sabayon? [16:21] nubae: it's in there already [16:21] it's just not normally compiled in. [16:21] well, they just look like guis to what is being done underneath, but because they have 90% prefilled in, LDAP is really easy to install [16:21] I am still 100% committed to getting sabayon working. [16:22] Are we talking LDAP on the client side....server side....or both? [16:22] both. [16:22] AFAIK [16:22] Good....that's one thing I've always felt was lacking in Linux in education [16:22] yes both for sure [16:23] cool [16:23] especially if its LTSP [16:23] amen [16:23] I use it now, but it's kludgy [16:23] ~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~ [16:23] not for novices [16:23] well, like I said, its just about copying what opensuse has done there, and letting sbalneav hack at sabayon [16:23] I have full faith in sbalneav [16:23] it could be integrated with the user management interface to create something really nice [16:23] :-) [16:24] dtrask: Boy, have I got YOU fooled :) [16:24] LOL [16:24] so sabayon+pessulus+usermanagment interface would be something really nice [16:24] nubae: the standard user-management tools REALLY need to be made LDAP aware [16:24] that could then allow for contorl of groups, themes, ldap, etc [16:24] yep they do [16:25] nubae+++++++++++++++ [16:25] And *that*s one of the things I'd want to focus on first [16:25] which is why we should try and see if we cant laterally combine some of this stuff and steal code from the other distros doing it the right way :-) [16:25] yep, indeed without that, we dont have much [16:25] as it's (one of) our most GLARING shortcomings now. [16:25] with it, a revolution takes place [16:25] totally agree with you [16:26] using fedora or opensuse that hits u almost instantly... [16:26] touching NOTHING else, if we could (within say a 6 month timeframe) produce: [16:26] u just notice u-m there sitting sad and alone, totally unaware of anything but .passwd/.shadow and .group [16:26] 1) A live DVD with the existing edubuntu program set... [16:27] a live cd with netbook remix [16:27] edu [16:27] 2) that integrated a WORKING solution for sabayon+pesselus+gui useradd+ldap+bulk user csv add support [16:27] hey brendan [16:27] sbalneav: I'm with you [16:28] I'm Dale. I'm a user with some admin capabilities. I run an independent ubuntu ltsp community lab. I have the ability to do user testing. My time is limited by me and what I decide to do during the course of the week. I've done some scripting, but that is the extent of my programming. I tend to organize large community projects. I'm a starter, and then move on to the next thing after getting a foundation in place. [16:28] and 3) a REASONABLE up to date handbook + ltsp docs [16:28] we'd be LIGHYEARS ahead of where we are now. [16:28] u know with a little shell scripting and zenity we could cheat a little [16:28] nubae: Sure [16:28] I'm not above cheating :) [16:28] LOL [16:29] cool, well then I see the work infront of us... I will make sure sugar can be packaged for ubuntu, and thats easy enough since we're automating to make .debs from open build service [16:30] Same goes for any other packages that we feel dont need oficial maintaining... [16:30] I do a lot of linux promotion, but am making decisions this month if i should be staying with an ubuntu ltsp distro. i like the theme in edubuntu, and some programs, but prefer to choose what applications are needed. we do have children frequent the labs, but i need support for windows apps [16:30] so... we're kind of saying, we are going to be much more relaxed about rules and regulations [16:30] nubae: certainly, for a much faster ldap user add tool, it may be faster to just implement something in python GTK that does the ldap aware adds, rather than trying to hack something into the Gnome user add tools. [16:30] for example... flash and pdf will be integrated from the start, gasp! [16:31] sbalneav: there are lots of proggies already... we just need to find the right one [16:31] yeah [16:31] I'm just saying shell scripting and zenity can be the glue [16:31] yessir [16:32] lateral software architecture [16:32] :-) [16:32] And for now, jaunty's going to be the base we're going to work on. [16:32] yep because we are officially in beta, we can even use karmic packages if we want [16:33] having a full distro with edu apps doesn't work for me. having a themed distro with open office, scribus, gimp, wine (for artrage), and selectable edu apps works better [16:33] it just depends on what works and what doesnt [16:33] is karmic the LTS release ? [16:33] ah, and content filtering [16:33] Ahmuck: there will be 2 possibilities, a netbook remix-edu, or a big dvd with everything educational we ever wanted, both backend and frontend [16:34] it doesn't make sense to have an edu with content filtering [16:34] thats dansguardian, we can definetly look into inlcuding that and squid as default [16:34] hey....to add something here....We're about to launch the Open 1-to-1 initiative (www.open1to1.org) using ubuntu (UNR) as our OS and setting up a community driven initiative to support 1 to 1 computing in schools. In Maine (USA) we currently have an Apple based 1-to-1 initiative, but now there is an opportunity to get a foothold with Ubuntu and netbooks/low cost laptops as the state has kinda' dropped the ball on the latest expansion and schools are "opti [16:34] with? [16:34] sorry to dump that in...no easy way to drop it in the conversation at the "right time" [16:35] didnt finish though it stops at opti [16:35] dtrask: i've intensley interested in that link [16:35] a lot of what has been done for the XS server (that will work with the xos) can be taken and included into the classroom server experience [16:36] hmmm...for me the whole thing shows up....I'll repost in 2 parts [16:36] hey....to add something here....We're about to launch the Open 1-to-1 initiative (http://www.open1to1.org/) using ubuntu (UNR) as our OS and setting up a community driven initiative to support 1 to 1 computing in schools. In Maine (USA) we currently have an Apple based 1-to-1 initiative, but now there is an opportunity to get a foothold with Ubuntu and netbooks/low cost laptops as the state has kinda' dropped the ball on the latest expansion and schools [16:36] Maine already has a strong Linux/LTSP/Edubuntu base...so we're putting together an organization to support the "rebel alliance" so to speak. Letting you know...and that we could use some help (reciprocal of course) with image development....tech support on forums...etc. This could end up with a large install base that can be used as an example or springboard for the future. [16:36] there...can you see it all now? [16:37] I've got a meeting here at $work in a few minutes I've got to prepare for. I'll be afk for a couple of hours. [16:37] be back later [16:37] i'm afk as well till this evening [16:37] afk? [16:37] away from keyboard [16:37] away from keyboard? [16:38] LOL [16:38] got it...thx [16:39] If any of you are interested in discussing Open 1to1 more...shoot me an email at dtrask_AT_vcsvikings.org [16:39] It has lots of exciting possibilities [16:40] and since we're building on an existing and very large one-to-one project...it could go very well [16:40] and then, of course, we hope to be able to help everyone around the world implement 1-to-1 projects in schools [16:41] brendan0powers: did you see the stuff above about LDAP? [16:42] well we shuold really use the alternate cd as a base [16:42] since that has the f4 option for ltsp [16:42] I've got to go too though, work beckons [16:43] work? what's that? ;-) [16:43] me too....and lunch beckons too [16:43] * dtrask hungry [16:45] dtrask: nope [16:46] brendan0powers: just sent you the chat in email [16:47] oh [16:47] k [16:47] I'l read it [16:49] fwiw, in my area, we are converting users to linux on the average of 1 a week. that may not seem like a lot, but we don't have the numbers that the cities doe [16:51] nubae: alternate? no live stuff? [16:52] afaik, debian is going to switch to a gui installer... [16:59] well alternative with live [17:00] so we'd move the f4 option to the live dvd/cd, and allow even ltsping from a live distro.... opensuse does this and it works, its also a cool way to show it working just from a live cd, dvd or usb stick [17:02] I'm even gonna say we should make the easy-ltsp gui the main way of editing lts.conf [17:02] nubae: the alternate cd is based on a different technology than the live desktop cd [17:03] So they can't be compined, only one of them can be selected [17:03] right.... really we'll be basing it off the live dvd [17:04] OK. And, if LTSP is on the live dvd, then there's no point in an F4 option [17:04] and we'll have a fully installed and functional ltsp server using the easy-ltsp gui for management [17:04] so then there will be the installer that installs either with or without classroom server [17:04] ie, acts like server, acts like a desktop [17:05] AFAIK, whatever runs on a live dvd is going to be installed unless some script uninstalls it [17:05] So if e.g. LTSP is on the live dvd, then an uninstaller should be written for those that do not want it. [17:06] But someone should read on casper for this... [17:06] but I dont think we need seperate cds/dvds for the user experience. In my opinion being able to show off ltsp and the edubunut edu apps + edu themes and colours and the great ldap+user-manager+sabayon+pessulus is what we want [17:06] alkisg: right, we will add a bunch of scripts using zenity that customise the system. [17:06] I fully agree with that, but I thought that some people wanted the dvd to be able to install workstations, too [17:10] therein lies my problem. needing the ability to pick our apps [17:14] it will do both ahmuck [17:14] and the remix-edu will be even for small devices and phones [17:14] or older systems [17:15] we will add the option of sending a fatclient image of remix-edu to the workstations [17:15] nubae: i'd be interested in how you create the cd/dvd. i'd like to do a custom *untu cd/dvd for local. ie top apps and a kansas theme [17:15] we could even add standard images for kde and xfce [17:16] we need to catch up to opensuse [17:17] opensuse is that good ? [17:17] they already have many predefined images to install, either via nomad where if the cable is pulled out, u dont loose the connection, and AOE, which seems to be slightly faster and more efficient for fat images... They also do fatclient clustering... [17:17] right now... its amazing [17:17] really, everything is easy to install and maintain [17:17] very little command line stuff [17:18] I've been using it as my main desktop os for a good 2 months now, and it hasn't crashed on me, there are tons of good options, and the gui management possibilities from users to groups, samba to ldap, and ltsp.... just make it all work [17:18] oh and the latest set of sugar tools too [17:21] so, i'm about to ask a very nasty question. is there a reason to develop edubuntu?> [17:25] well yes of course [17:25] because ubuntu is a great base [17:26] this is not a race, but a collaboration [17:58] hello Edubuntu land! [18:01] hey LaserJock =) [18:03] hi Lns [18:03] hey LaserJock [18:03] how's the business going? [18:03] \o/ [18:03] LaserJock: we missed you, have you been busy with your dissertation? [18:03] It's going OK, planning for the future! [18:03] highvoltage: very very busy [18:04] highvoltage: did a job interview and walked at commencement [18:04] had family visiting and worked on cars [18:04] very busy lately :-) [18:05] LaserJock: we're having a meeting at 18:00 UTC tomorrow, will you be able to join? [18:05] LaserJock: you said before that that's a good time for you generally [18:05] oh, darn [18:06] actually I have a meeting with my advisor at 18:00 [18:06] I miscalculated the time diff, I thought I'd be OK [18:11] LaserJock: any other time tomorrow evening? [18:12] * bencrisford_ is new here LaserJock [18:12] :) [18:13] hi bencrisford_ [18:13] hi =] [18:13] highvoltage: would 20:00 UTC be OK? [18:13] or is that too late for the UTC+2 crowd? [18:14] or for that matter, I wonder if you guys should just go on without me [18:14] sorry to be awkward - whats this? ive only had snippets of the conversation because of my internet [18:14] whats at 8 UTC tomoz? [18:14] bencrisford_: we're scheduling a "future of Edubuntu" IRC meeting [18:14] ah :) [18:15] weve been talking about it for days [18:15] but i thought we were gonna wait for UDS? [18:15] LaserJock: sorry I was confused, I meant on Friday, not tomorrow [18:16]