=== nixternal changed the topic of #kubuntu-devel to: Alpha 1 out! | https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuKarmicSpecs | Sync/Merges: http://qa.ubuntuwire.com/multidistrotools/kubuntu-desktop.html | Try to do regression testing prior to uploading so everyone isn't complaining about packages not installing
nixternaleveryone ^^02:06
JontheEchidna... I did six hours straight of bug fixing/regression testing02:25
JontheEchidnaScottK can vouch for that02:25
nixternalgroovy, just getting warn out from people messaging me asking me about the 4.3 packages borking their systems02:29
nixternalie. dpkg -i --force-overwrite isn't the answer, and that's what people have been telling them to do02:29
=== JontheEchidna changed the topic of #kubuntu-devel to: Alpha 1 out! | https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuKarmicSpecs | Sync/Merges: http://qa.ubuntuwire.com/multidistrotools/kubuntu-desktop.html | Merge KDE earlier next time so that all of the "replaces" version in debian/control aren't horribly out of date, rendering them useless and begetting 5 trillion overwrite errors
JontheEchidnamore like^02:31
JontheEchidnathat's where most of the errors are coming from02:32
nixternalthat is one thing, but people shouldn't be rushing to get packages uploaded so they can get some soyuz karma02:32
nixternalI wish they would remove Karma as it is causing other issues as well out there02:32
JontheEchidnathis has nothing to do with karma02:32
JontheEchidnawe were half a week late as it is02:32
nixternalsure it does, people are thirsty02:32
nixternalwhy else do they need to see who can package the fastest?02:32
nixternalthis isn't just for the 4.3, as it happened quite a bit during jaunty as well02:33
nixternalthis time around it was either sloppyness or laziness...obviously nobody tested prior to uploading02:33
nixternalnot even a month into the cycle and there have been 4 uploads fixing stuff we missed initially02:35
nixternalgranted it might be a bit OK right now, but it is sloppy and causes more work down the road02:35
JontheEchidnaand if you'll see, those were all uploaded before the jaunty PPA was advertised, meaning all those bugs were were fixed in the jaunty packages02:37
nixternaland that's good, but there are still quite a few issues with the jaunty packages, let alone the karmic ones02:39
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nixternalthough the karmic issues could partially be due to slowness of the builds02:39
nixternali think that should have stayed in there as a reminder02:39
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nixternaldon't know about you, but getting 30+ messages a day about the same thing over and over is a pita02:40
nixternalgroovy, that is perfect :)02:40
neversfeldemhh, ha02:44
neversfeldeI think my kontact icon prob is individual02:44
neversfeldei sthere another 4.2.3 prob that prevent getting it to -updates?02:45
neversfeldeI read about some rss problems?02:46
nixternalhaven't followed02:47
nixternalman, what an improvement with kwebkit02:48
nixternal100/100 acid3 test without looking super wrong02:48
nixternaland GMail works great!02:49
nixternalit makes konqi really usable02:50
neversfeldeJontheEchidna: I think you answered the bug report on lp about an rss widget. Any special tests needed?02:50
neversfeldenixternal: konqui grows and it grows fast :)02:50
nixternalnow if only I could get moonlight working :p JUST KIDDING!02:51
JontheEchidnawell, broken is pretty much broken... :(02:51
neversfeldethe only thing that prevents me from leaving ff is syncing bookmarks02:51
JontheEchidnathere is a chance it's a Qt bug though02:51
neversfeldebut it goes in the right direction02:51
JontheEchidnaso if somebody could test 4.2.3 in a Qt 4.5.0 (versus 4.5.1) that'd be neat02:51
neversfeldeJontheEchidna: where to get 4.5.1?02:52
JontheEchidnaThe problem is not getting 4.5.102:52
JontheEchidnaI believe the PPAs with Qt 4.5.1 were also used to upload 4.2.3 to02:53
JontheEchidnameaning that anybody who used KDE 4.2.3 also upgraded to Qt 4.5.102:53
neversfeldeJontheEchidna: I think I used some 4.5.1 components while using the old experimental ppa02:53
JontheEchidnaQt 4.5.1 is what's potentially causing the regression :(02:54
neversfeldebut in the new exp ppa there is  no 4.5.1?02:54
nixternalneversfelde: sync your bookmarks with dropbox02:54
JontheEchidnaQt 4.5.1 was uploaded to this PPA: https://edge.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-experimental/+archive/ppa02:54
JontheEchidnaKDE 4.2.3 was also uploaded to the same PPA02:54
neversfeldenixternal: I did it with unison and I should blog about some time02:55
neversfeldeJontheEchidna: ok, then, I used it before this reinstall and there were no special problems02:55
JontheEchidnaRSSNow worked?02:55
neversfeldeJontheEchidna: I did not test it with the old exp ppa02:56
neversfeldeso I should do a test with it and RSSNow02:56
JontheEchidnaWe know that RSSNow is broken from the old PPA02:56
JontheEchidnaand KDE 4.2.3 is only available from the old PPA02:57
JontheEchidnawhich also happens to have Qt 4.5.102:57
JontheEchidnawhat we need is testing without Qt 4.5.102:57
JontheEchidnato see if it's still broken with KDE 4.2.3 + Qt 4.5.002:57
JontheEchidnaif it is, then it's a Qt bug which would not stop KDE from moving to -updates02:57
neversfeldeJontheEchidna: I installed from here02:58
neversfeldethere is no 4.5.1ß02:58
neversfelde4.5.1 is only here02:59
jjesseso all these problems with the kde upgrade are really frustrating, was notified of new updates due ot using the ppa and every single package failed to install03:00
JontheEchidnaoh yeah, we copied it over, didn't we03:00
neversfeldeJontheEchidna: but without 4.5.1?03:00
JontheEchidnayeah, I believe so03:01
neversfeldewell, I can test it with the old exp repo tomorrow03:02
neversfeldeprobably the new qt 4.5.1 shoul also go to the new updates or backports ppa03:02
JontheEchidnaQt 4.5.1 may be the problem03:03
* neversfelde is testing RRSNow without Qt4.5.103:03
neversfeldewhat was the exact problem eith it, I read abou, but frgot03:04
JontheEchidnait's contents are invisible03:04
JontheEchidnajust a blank background03:04
nixternalI just figured out what GTK stands for03:04
neversfeldesorry, batteries are empty again03:05
nixternaldoes anyone in here know?03:05
neversfeldeRssNow seems to work for me with 4.2.3 and 4.5.003:08
neversfeldethere is a problem with icons, but it is not a new one03:08
neversfeldethis should not be a problem to bring 4.2.3 to -update03:10
lex79neversfelde: this launchpad bug 35395303:13
ubottuLaunchpad bug 353953 in kdeplasma-addons "RSSNOW display bug" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/35395303:13
lex79is still present?03:13
neversfeldelex79: yeah, but that is an upstream problem, I think03:16
neversfeldelex79: did you have a closer look at fotowall?03:17
neversfeldeI am not sure about these license problems and I have a few suggestions03:18
neversfeldeprobably I can send them to you?03:18
lex79I send an email to upstream to drop 3rdparty components03:18
lex79no answer for now :(03:18
neversfeldemhh, yes, would be the best if they drop it03:19
lex79if authors drop 3rdparty, all license problem go away :)03:21
neversfeldethe debian packager gave it up for not getting in contact with him03:22
lex79I think the upstream is very lazy03:24
nixternalor upstream is busy with personal life?03:24
neversfeldenixternal: he is free enough to pu blish software with over 90% on kde-apps03:25
nixternalhe is a volunteer developer though right?03:26
nixternalhe is doing this on his own free time I am assuming03:26
nixternalunless it is his only job, then I don't push hard, I typically give them a week, fire off one more email, and then attack from there03:27
nixternalno need to call them lazy without knowing why they aren't responding03:27
neversfeldemhh, ok03:28
neversfeldethe debian packager gave up this job after he wrote several mails03:28
nixternalhas it been more than a month? could be a student on holiday or such03:29
nixternalif they don't respond in a month, fork that bad boy :)03:29
nixternalthough I thought RSSNow was in KDE svn03:30
neversfeldeI think he gave up after several month trying, but I do not know more03:30
nixternaloh wow, ya then you can count that as a loss and either fork it/take it over, or ditch it03:31
neversfeldeworking with busy upstream is a pleausre, I did it with mtux and choqok and that teached me a lot03:31
neversfeldenot at least speaking english :)03:32
nixternalI was maintaining plucker in debian, ubuntu, and other distros, so I know the feeling03:32
nixternalI would get an email from someone who uses plucker "Dude! there was a CVS commit to plucker, can you put in new packages ASAP!?!?!"03:33
neversfeldehehe, I get about 15 bug reports for choqok a day, so not know why, but I push them forward to upstream03:33
neversfeldeand look at choqok, it works :D03:33
nixternaldefine works? :p03:34
nixternalCtrl+r has a weird way of working03:34
neversfeldechoqok grows to a real cool app and the devs accept all proposals03:35
neversfeldeeven so for bilbo03:35
ScottKGot qt4-x11 to build on armel (had to patch boost1.35 to do it).03:45
ScottKneversfelde: Sounds like quassel (cool app and devs accept proposals)03:47
neversfeldeScottK: yes, not as important as an IRC app in main, but it is really cool to work with them. Especially for a new packager :)03:53
ScottKWell it wasn't in Main to start ....03:54
neversfeldemicroblogging grows, so one time we should think about pushing choqok to main03:56
neversfeldebut that should be a task for karmic+*03:57
nixternalneversfelde: honestly, that choqok by default is probably a really good idea, even for Karmic06:32
ScottKnixternal: Mark it in the wiki page for Karmic packaging please.06:33
Riddellapparantly there's no internet access at allhands so I won't be around much07:50
Mamarokmorning Riddell :)08:03
HobbseeRiddell: no internet at all?  Why?08:04
Riddellooh, beta 1 happened for jaunty, top stuff09:44
MamarokRiddell: well, happened is a bit muhc said, still many dependency errors10:04
Mamarokok, managed to install kde 4.3, but with multiple force-overwrite and -f install options10:13
Mamarokthe following packages are still held back:10:13
Mamarokkdebase kdebase-workspace kdebase-workspace-bin kdebase-workspace-data kdegames kdenetwork kdeutils kfilereplace klinkstatus kommander konqueror kopete superkaramba10:13
MamarokI don't care much for kdegames and such, but konqueror and kdebase stuff...10:13
Mamaroklet's see if I can log out...10:14
Mamarokfolks, we have to take down that KDE 4.3 announcement down immediately, there are so many errors it's hardly bearable...10:25
Mamarokkdm doesn't load a greeting widget, so login into KDE is only doable with startx from tty110:26
MamarokKDE has *not* wallpaper at all, literally a "transparent" screen with chessboard10:27
Mamarokpager shows nothing, power manager doesn't see the power configurations, etc, etc.10:28
Mamarokthis is hardly alpha :(10:28
Tm_TMamarok: you mean packaging?10:28
MamarokTm_T: KDE 4.3 beta just doesn't work in an acceptable manner10:29
MamarokTm_T: we have to take that announcement down ASAP10:29
Tm_TMamarok: sure, but I doubt it's KDE fault, more like in packaging side10:30
Mamarokell, I know, but we have an announcement on kubuntu.org that should never have gone there10:31
Mamarokkrunner freezes10:31
Mamarokksnapshot freezes10:32
gribeluI just spent the last 2 hours installing 4.2.85 and then trying to get back to 4.2.3 on jaunty10:46
gribeluMamarok is right, it's not working :)10:46
Mamarokgribelu: well, I can use it, but with a lot of tweaking, and it's not really a KDE as it should be10:58
gribeluyeah I know10:58
Mamarokwithout kdebase being updated...10:58
Nightrosewhy is kdebase not being updated?11:10
NightroseMamarok: ^11:10
MamarokNightrose: well, I don't know, ask the packagers11:50
Mamarokit's held back, read my previous comments11:50
Nightroseyes I read that11:51
Nightrosedid you try to install it?11:51
MamarokNightrose: yes I did, doesn't work11:51
MamarokNightrose: I am not dumb, you know...11:51
MamarokI already posted everything here, read back11:52
jussi01*G* now now peoples...11:52
* Mamarok has work to do11:52
Nightroseuhmm I was trying to help you...11:54
Nightroseand I can't find where in the backlog you said what output "sudo apt-get install kdebase" gives you11:55
Nightrose(same for the other held back-packages)11:55
MamarokNightrose: it removes kdebase-plasma and seriously broke KDE even more for a user who reported it on #kubuntu12:23
* Hobbsee notes this is sounding very much like "these packages are broken. wave your magic wand and fix it, however they're broken"12:33
HobbseeMamarok: i doubt anyone is doubting the severity of your statements, nor that there is a problem.  The fact of the matter is, unless there's good information about how it's broken (such as logs for commands that Nightrose said), it's going to take more time to attempt to reproduce them, before being even able to start fixing.12:37
tsimpsonI've found why kpackagekit doesn't display changelogs12:45
tsimpsonand it's *not* an issue with KPackageKit :)12:45
Hobbseetsimpson: it's the "changelogs.ubuntu.com doesn't update quick enough" bug, or?12:48
tsimpsonHobbsee: bug #37753512:49
ubottuError: Could not parse data returned by Launchpad: timed out (https://launchpad.net/bugs/377535/+text)12:49
ubottuError: Could not parse data returned by Ubuntu: timed out (https://launchpad.net/bugs/377535/+text)12:50
* Hobbsee looks it up12:50
tsimpsonlaunchpad/bot I hate thee12:50
tsimpsonproof: http://img195.imageshack.us/img195/3618/kpkj.jpg12:51
MamarokHobbsee: read what I said right above you :)12:54
Mamaroksry folks, I'm awfully busy right now, need to earn some monnies12:54
* Riddell removes jaunty announce from kubuntu.org12:55
Hobbseeso kdebase removes kdebase-plasma.  blarg, i'm not about to try to do this in a chroot12:56
nixternalgood morning Kubuntuerz13:00
nixternalMamarok: I was able to get the packages installed by doing a ton of --force-overwrite, -f install, and apt-get update && dist-upgrade - over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over :)13:02
Mamaroknixternal: so did I, but when it tried to remove kdebase-plasma I stopped and reinstalled 4.2.313:04
nixternalthat's interesting...it didn't try to remove mine as it didn't even update mine...kdebase-plasma is still 4.2.313:05
Mamaroknixternal: because you din't try to install kdebase13:05
nixternalahh you are right13:05
* nixternal wonders when Kubuntu will have to many PPAs13:07
nixternalooh we are up to ppa7...nice13:09
* nixternal goes to interview and Novell IT Action Tour13:09
rgreeningnixternal: actually, we had a discussion at last meeting about the ppa. and we have reduced the ppas going forward ... only under lp:~kubuntu-ppa13:12
rgreeningothers will die and be decommissioned. so we have only 3 active.13:12
tsimpsonman bzr is slow13:18
rgreeningMamarok, nixternal: kdebase-plasma is replaced by plasma-widget-folderview. Install the later to remove the former.13:20
rgreeningJontheEchidna: ping13:21
JontheEchidnargreening: pong13:21
rgreeningsee above note JontheEchidna.13:21
rgreeningdo we need a transitional kdebase-plasma to force the upgrade?13:21
JontheEchidnaI am just realizing this now, but  I still have kdebase-plasma installed13:22
rgreeningI did too.13:23
rgreeningthis was part of the debian merge13:23
rgreeningwe missed adding in the transitional package13:23
rgreeningJontheEchidna: will you take care of or do you want me to?13:24
JontheEchidnaIt'd be nice if somebody else would fix things for a change :P13:24
rgreeningI may need to ping ya on it. I'm assuming I just need an entry in the control file13:25
rgreeningok. Let me do up the diff...13:26
rgreeningJontheEchidna: I wonder, would simply adding a Replaces to plasma-widget-folderview for kdebase-plasa work?13:29
rgreeningor would we still need a meta package for kdebase-plasma to install theplasma-widget-folderview13:30
rgreeningJontheEchidna: nevermind. I see that is a replaces line. It doesn't force the upgrade, so a transitional package is def required... and updating the Replaces/Conflict line to include << 4.2.8513:35
Nightrosergreening: nixternal didn't mean the number of ppa but the number of uploads to a ppa for a certain package13:35
rgreeningNightrose: -*- nixternal wonders when Kubuntu will have to many PPAs13:36
ScottKtsimpson: bzr may be slow now, but it's a speed demon compared to where it was two years ago.13:43
* ScottK waves13:43
tsimpsonit's probably because the branch was using "RepositoryFormatKnit1", whatever that means13:44
ScottKOne of my 'favorite' aspects of bzr is you are required to know something about/care about repository formats.13:45
rgreeningScottK: are you able to upload a debdiff for me in a little while?13:48
ScottKrgreening: Shouldn't be a problem.13:49
rgreeningkdebase needs some fixing. working on them now.13:49
rgreeningJontheEchidna: I assume I'll need to make a similar change for karmic, correct?13:53
ScottKrgreening: Yes13:53
ScottKI figured that's what you needed me to upload for?13:53
rgreeningScottK: making th echange in jaunty (thats the pbuilder I have setup at the moment).13:54
rgreeningI'll get the karmic one right after.. so 2 uploads :)13:54
rgreeningoh, nm, Jaunty is in PPA..13:54
rgreeningso, just the karmic, ya13:55
rgreeningme brain is a wee bit slow today.13:55
rgreening"I say, that boy is as sharp as a sack of wet potatas!"13:56
geserkarmic has two source packages for plasma-widget-translatoid: transloid (0.8; synced from Debian) and plasma-widget-translatoid (0.9; uploaded to Ubuntu). Which one should be kept in the long run?13:57
ScottKWho uploaded the Ubuntu one?13:59
geser-- Jonathan Thomas < echidnaman@kubuntu.org>   Tue, 28 Apr 2009 19:30:59 -040014:00
ScottKJontheEchidna: ^^^^ Please go sort this out with Debian.14:01
ScottKgeser: Thanks for noticing, we'll get it sorted out.14:01
geserwhile I was looking at the "Failed to upload" errors, I also noticed that kdewebdev-dbg from kdewebdev-kde3 probably was forgotten to rename (the other binary packages got an additional -kde3)14:03
ScottKgeser: Thanks.14:04
JontheEchidnaLooks like debian removed transloid? http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=transloid&searchon=names&suite=all&section=all14:05
JontheEchidnayeah, plasma-widget-translatoid is now in sid14:05
JontheEchidnaoh, the source package is named correctly, but not the binary package14:07
JontheEchidnaer, the other way around14:07
ScottKJontheEchidna: Yeah, so please talk to the Debian people and agree on what it will be.14:10
ScottKgeser: kdewebdev fixed.  Thanks again.14:12
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DaskreechIs there a bug with kdm in 4.2.85 ?15:13
rgreeningJontheEchidna: ping15:25
rgreening./../../../apps/dolphin/src/panels/information/phononwidget.h:29:25: error: Phonon/Global: No such file or directory15:26
rgreeningJontheEchidna: from kdebase in jaunty....15:26
JontheEchidnayou uploaded it to karmic15:26
rgreening1 sec...15:27
JontheEchidnaor rather, karmic is in debian/changelog as the series15:27
rgreeningshouldn't be....15:27
JontheEchidnaif you have devscripts from jaunty-backports installed, it'll be that by default15:27
rgreeningor for fs15:27
JontheEchidnaoooh, konversation 1.2 alpha115:28
* JontheEchidna packages15:28
ScottKJontheEchidna: I think Debian has it packages already, so you should just be able to merge from them.15:29
JontheEchidnathey have a recent svn version of it. I merged that yesterday, but then konversation released a new tarball15:30
ScottKrgreening: kdebase uploaded.  Thank you for your contribution to Kubuntu.15:31
JontheEchidnait is an svn version from yesterday, but konversation released alpha1 this morning15:31
ScottKNice to see JontheEchidna isn't the only one working on this stuff.15:31
JontheEchidnaI did feel abandoned there this weekend....15:32
rgreeningI try and squeeze in whereever I can.15:32
rgreeningIm a big guy, so its not that easy :P15:32
ScottKHey, you weren't abandoned.  You had dedicated service from a core-dev to shovel your stuff into the repos.15:32
JontheEchidnaThat I did, thanks a lot.15:32
ScottKGreat, more to go around when the food runs low15:33
rgreeningI was also around :(15:33
DaskreechCause when you sit around the chan you really sit around the chan?15:33
Mamarokok, back from work, need a coffee now15:34
rgreeningDaskreech: muahhahahah15:34
JontheEchidnaAnyway, I just hope that next time we do a huge merge from debian then do an upgrade to a new beta, that I'm not the only one preparing 5 updates for each of the core KDE packages when we find overwrite errors15:34
JontheEchidnait's a great way to waste a whole weekend ;-)15:34
JontheEchidnaand I hope we never wait that long to do a merge that big again15:35
rgreeningJontheEchidna: true enough. sorry I missed that...15:35
JontheEchidnargreening: it's ok, I know you do what you can :)15:35
rgreeningI wish I had 8 arms15:35
ScottKIt should be better in the future now that KDE 4.2 is in Unstable/Testing.15:35
JontheEchidnaThat's what I'm hoping15:36
DaskreechWill they move to KDE 4.3 ?15:36
* Mamarok really needs to learn packaging15:36
ScottKWe've been kind of out of process for a long time as far as that goes.15:36
ScottKDaskreech: They'll probably do pre-release packages in experimental.15:36
rgreeningJontheEchidna: ok, got the correct kdebase uploaded for jaunty :)15:36
rgreeningwhats next on the list of things to fix/do?15:37
rgreeningin order of highest priority15:37
DaskreechIs there a bug with kdm in 4.2.85 ?15:37
JontheEchidnaI think there were a few other conflict errors, but I've not seen any detailed logs of them15:37
DaskreechFor logging out?15:38
rgreeningDaskreech: I don't see any15:38
rgreeningunder Jaunty or Karmic?15:38
JontheEchidnaDaskreech: none that haven't been an issue since 4.0, in my experience15:38
rgreeningnope. works fine for me.15:38
DaskreechWhen I log out KDM doen't die so I don't get a new login15:38
DaskreechI have to either alt+sysreq+k or manually stop kdm15:39
JontheEchidnaThat's been known to happen with various proprietary drivers for a while now, iirc15:39
DaskreechNew ATI?15:40
JontheEchidnaIt personally happens with me with ancient nvidia drivers, and has been since 4.0 :(15:40
JontheEchidna(96 legacy series)15:40
DaskreechHow do you work around it?15:41
Daskreechadd a /etc/init.d/kdm stop to kdeinit ?15:42
JontheEchidnaOh, I just use crtl + alt + backspace on the occasions I need to log out15:42
JontheEchidnaand do a reboot when I want my session saved15:42
DaskreechYeha so far that's what I'm doing minus reboot15:43
JontheEchidnaIt's been a year and a half since 4.0, so I suppose I've gotten used to it, lol15:44
JontheEchidnaI don't need to log out that often anyway15:44
txwikinger_workDid UDS already start?15:45
DaskreechYeah it's randomly aggravating15:45
ScottKtxwikinger: Next week15:45
DaskreechWe should probably have a listing of important bugs to raise visibilty of15:45
rgreeningDaskreech: I agree. If you want to be the sheppard of such a list, I'll bring it to UDS and we can discuss an action plan to address...15:49
rgreeningJontheEchidna: Im sure you have some such bugs you can toss to Daskreech to add to the list15:49
rgreeningDaskreech: maybe setup a wiki and add a link to https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/desktop-karmic-death-by-100-paper-cuts15:50
txwikinger_workthanks ScottK15:50
rgreeningwe may be able to add them to this discussion.15:50
JontheEchidnamost of the issues are either networkmangler or KPackageKiller related15:51
JontheEchidnaif we can make those two not suck and do most of our specs for karmic, I'd be happy15:52
Riddelleasy :)15:52
rgreeningwe need more people pulled to the Blue Side... "the blue is strong in this one"15:53
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ScottKTurns out we lost jpds.15:55
ScottKHe doesn't use KDE anymore.15:55
ScottK(please don't go give him crap about it)15:55
Nightrosedid he say why?16:03
DaskreechIs kpackagekit supposed to have an add/remove mode ?16:10
ScottKNightrose: Focused on server stuff, lost interest in which DE he was using.16:11
Nightroseah ok16:12
Nightrosefair enough16:12
MamarokJonaactually, I do n*not* use a proprietary driver and have the same logout problems as Daskreech ...16:12
Daskreechlost to the  command line that's an interesting story16:12
Mamarokhm, that went wrong...16:13
MamarokDaskreech: I had that with 4.2.3 before, and still have with 4.3 beta16:14
DaskreechAlso I can't seem to pull up system settings Modules from krunner16:15
Mamarokis there a new ATI dirver that works around now?16:15
DaskreechA new one came out sunday Still screwed16:15
MamarokI can't even start krunner with Alt+F2 anymore, I have to run it from konsole which makes it totally useless16:15
MamarokDaskreech: does KDM start normally for you in 4.2.85?16:16
Daskreechonce you run it once it shuld work after that16:16
MamarokDaskreech: looks like I will have to logaout again16:16
DaskreechWant to save the session?16:16
ScottKOK, so now we're built successfully on all archs up through Akonadi.16:18
ScottKMaking progress ...16:19
Daskreechrgreening: use the Little details Wiki ?16:19
rgreeninghmm... ScottK ^ ?16:20
ScottKno idea.16:20
ScottKAll I know is what I read in the spec, but without looking, I'd say yes.16:20
ScottKLet's just assume we're included in that.16:20
MamarokDaskreech: do you remember the SysRq you use to kill KDM?16:24
DaskreechOk anyone want to throw niggling details at me?16:24
Daskreechif yot want your session saved do that after logout16:24
ScottKDaskreech: No KDE4 integration for OOo.16:25
DaskreechThat techincally kills X which means KDM doesnt get a chance to save16:25
ScottKI know that's not a detail, but what the heck.16:25
DaskreechIt is a detail16:25
Mamarokok, will give it a try, have to restart that KDE anyway, half of the stuff is not working and I want to complete the update, forcing a few things...16:25
DaskreechIt doesn't harm the function or usage of either KDE4 or OO.o but it hampers the experince16:25
DaskreechKuser not turning up in System Settings is probably not a detail16:26
ScottKAs an added bonus every KDE distro out there needs OOo for KDE4 and so Canonical could score some "we do stuff" points with that.16:26
ScottKNo.  Doesn't Kuser integration need some 'magic' for getting superuser stuff before it can happen?16:27
Daskreechas in user intervention?16:27
ScottKThere's at least one module that's not integrated because it needs superuser rights and there's no way to get to that in systemsettings.16:28
ScottKI think that's true.16:28
ScottKJontheEchidna may be the one that knows.16:28
DaskreechThat would be kuser then.16:28
Daskreechit's installed but it doesn't turn up there16:28
Daskreechwhich is aggravating but probably not a detail16:28
ScottKIt needs some plumbing work so sort out.16:29
DaskreechAnyone else has detail areas that they would like added?16:32
DaskreechRiddell: no complaints?16:32
ScottKDaskreech: He's only got intermittent access.16:33
Daskreechwell it's a general call :-) I just highlighted him since he would probably have a larger finger on the pulse16:34
Daskreechseele and JontheEchidna apachelogger etc all probably have chum they can throw in the water16:35
DaskreechAnything that we can consider a regression as expected from a Gnome experience ?16:36
seeleDaskreech: ?16:38
Daskreechseele: hi16:38
DaskreechOh sorry to catch up we are gathering 100 bugs for death by 100 cuts16:39
DaskreechI'm going tosubmit them to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LittleDetails and https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/desktop-karmic-death-by-100-paper-cuts16:39
DaskreechJust details of things that should be fixed and are probably an easy fix in terms of the solution16:39
Daskreechfigured you might be on the list of people that have a standing set of things you would like to see addressed16:40
seelebugs? i dont really deal in bugs too much16:41
seeleunless there are some that have to do with usability, but people would have to tell me about them16:42
Daskreechseele: Usabilty stuff is a bug16:43
DaskreechYou don't have any niggling issues with kubuntu currently?16:43
rgreeningJontheEchidna: did we forget kdeartwork for jaunty?16:47
rgreeningThere's an issue with kdewebdev too... kfilereplace-kde4 and kfilereplace... Im stuck with the old 4.2.2 one and not the 4.2.85 for some reason.16:51
rgreeningJontheEchidna: I can do the artwork16:51
rgreeningDoy uo want to look at kdewebdev?16:52
ScottKrgreening: No transitional package from -kde4?16:52
rgreeningScottK: thats what it appears to be16:52
rgreeningScottK: did you have a recent fix for kdewebdev earlier today?16:52
ScottKMine was the kde3 one16:52
rgreeningmaybe you want to work this then?16:52
* ScottK really should be doing $WORK and not IRC.16:53
Mamarokbingo, got a working 4.3 beta :)16:53
* rgreening should be too16:53
Mamarokbut that was a pain, really16:53
* txwikinger_work has the same problem as ScottK16:53
rgreeningMamarok: can you provide a list of errored packages and forced overrides you needed?16:54
rgreeningwe'll need ot get those resolved (any outstanding)16:54
DaskreechMamarok: What happened?16:55
Mamarokrgreening: ouch, there were so many...16:55
Mamarokis this logged somewhere?16:55
Daskreechdpkg.log ?16:55
rgreeningJontheEchidna: no kdeedu either :)17:08
Mamarokrgreening: unfortunately that log doesn't tell me what I had to force17:08
rgreeninghow about your bash history :)17:08
DaskreechMamarok: bash history17:09
rgreeningup arrow :)17:09
Daskreechdang it!17:09
* Daskreech one ups rgreening17:09
Daskreech^R -> force17:09
MamarokDaskreech: I don't think my histry is long enough...17:10
Mamarokbut let's see...17:10
rgreeningJontheEchidna: I'm going to bp kdeartowrk and kdeedu for Jaunty.17:11
rgreeningassuming no issues....17:11
DaskreechMamarok: it should 500 by default17:11
Daskreechthat's roughly a day of very heavy Command line usage17:11
Daskreecha few months for most KDE users17:11
rgreeningor a couple of hours for me17:11
Daskreechrgreening: You need more efficient commands :)17:12
Mamarokok, let's give it a try...17:12
rgreeningI need nore worker bees17:12
Daskreechalias scripts and &&17:12
Mamarokbingo, got it:17:17
Mamarokrgreening: http://pastebin.com/m776e47f717:17
Mamarokedited a little, so you don't see the many manpages I opened several times...17:17
rgreeningMamarok: having the conflicted files from the .deb would be useful...17:18
rgreeningotherwise, I don't know what to fix :)17:19
Mamarokrgreening: and how would I know what conflicted? Is that output logged somewhere?17:19
* Mamarok really needs to dive in a Linux book more often17:20
rgreeningoh crap, right, it would have been in your terminal, and no, prob not logged...17:20
Mamaroklogging a terminl might sometimes (but only sometimes) be usefull...17:21
Tm_Thi killbillkill17:21
ScottKrgreening: I just did a test upgrade Jaunty -> Karmic in a chroot.  These are the errors: http://paste.ubuntu.com:80/176508/17:21
Mamarokrgreening: get a spare PC and try it yourself, you will get output galore17:21
rgreeningMamarok: actually, it should be in /var/log/apt/term.log17:21
Mamarokok, let's have a look there then17:22
ScottKrgreening: AFAIK the PPA and Karmic packages are in sync, so the same changes would be needed.17:22
DaskreechDoes PtrScrn Still not atach to ksnapshot ?17:23
rgreeningScottK: ok, once I get kdeartwork, kdeedu built I can take a look at these.17:24
ScottKDaskreech: It does for me with KDE 4.2.217:24
Daskreechok Won't put that on the list17:24
DaskreechSooo other than KDE4 icons on OO.o there are no issues with Kubuntu ?17:25
rgreeningksnapshot is not bound to print screen for me17:25
rgreeningdunno why.17:25
DaskreechIs it bound for anyone else?17:26
ScottKDaskreech: Don't forget the stinking fetid piles that are KPackageKit and Plasma Widget NM (it's already a lot better in svn).17:27
DaskreechI think that those are not quite details17:29
Daskreechthose are work17:29
Mamarokrgreening: here you go: http://pastebin.com/m455ca91f17:29
DaskreechUNless I'm wrong :)17:29
* Daskreech dogpiles on JontheEchidna17:29
ScottKRight, but you could break them out into several details.17:29
* Tm_T is getting KDE trunk built in Intrepid17:29
DaskreechScottK: Indeed. What ones are on your list?17:29
ScottKMost of my bitches are lower down in the stack.17:30
ScottKLike more reliable 4965 wireless and no more kernel panics.17:30
ScottKAFAIK most of the stuff that was bothering me is being addressed in 4.3.17:30
DaskreechWhat isn't?17:31
ScottKIf I knew of something i'd say.17:31
ScottKI'm in favor of fewer plasma crashes.17:31
DaskreechThat's more a community thing I think17:32
Tm_TScottK: glad it doesn't crash here (:)17:32
rgreeningJontheEchidna: for bp of kdeartwork and kdeedu, what changes should I revert from karmic?17:32
Daskreechneed feedback for that which of course won't come before 9.10 or whatever is released17:32
JontheEchidnargreening: pkg-kde-tools needs bumped down17:32
JontheEchidnaif changed, cmake should be 2.6.2 instead of 2.6.317:33
rgreeningand the phonon patch (if present)17:33
rgreeningthat the only 2?17:33
JontheEchidnayeah, and remove the phonon patch17:33
JontheEchidnathat should be all17:33
JontheEchidnabut be careful since kdeartwork seems to build differently in the ppa than in the archive17:33
* Daskreech pokes JontheEchidna17:34
* JontheEchidna giggles17:34
smarterany idea why we don't have Air packaged in 4.3b1?17:34
JontheEchidnanobody took the time to make one?17:34
ScottKI thought it wasn't part of the beta17:34
smarteroh, ok17:34
DaskreechJontheEchidna: Any niggling issues you have with Kubuntu?17:35
JontheEchidnanone that I can think of off the top of my head, I'm pretty satisfied17:37
JontheEchidnamy computer, on the other hand....17:37
DaskreechSo not being able to log out properly isn't an issue? :)17:37
JontheEchidnawell, not much we can do about that one....17:37
DaskreechIt's being asked on a Canonical level17:38
Daskreechwell more a global Ubuntu Brand level17:38
JontheEchidnaunless nvidia opens their source any time soon, nothing they can do about it either17:38
JontheEchidnathe thing about developers is that they tend to rationalize/work around their problems until they forget about them :P17:39
QuintasanJontheEchidna: apachelogger said I shouldn't depend on debhelper 7 for backportability, if I use pkg-kde-tools can I remove it?17:40
JontheEchidnadebhelper 7 is fine, just not anything above 7.0.017:41
ScottK7 goes all the way back to Hardy for backports17:41
JontheEchidnausing debian-qt-kde.mk from pkg-kde-tools should be fine too, as it points to kde4.mk in jaunty17:41
Quintasanok, I have debhelper (>= 7) in build-depends17:42
rgreeningJontheEchidna: kdetoys missing in jaunty too :)17:47
JontheEchidnawho cares about kdetoys? :P17:47
rgreeningJontheEchidna: kdeartwork local building... next, kdeedu then kdetoys17:48
rgreeningJontheEchidna: I don't suppose anyone has an idea on how to get kdebindings to work/build17:49
* Quintasan notes that pykdeuic4.py still has no chmod +x17:52
Quintasanhttp://pastebin.com/f6e1eb3f0 <-- will this make a good description?17:55
lex79I think you can remove KDE from "KDE plasma widget for running games"17:59
rgreeningwho's the kdeedu guru? smarter?18:07
* smarter doesn't think he is :]18:08
smarterrgreening: what's your problem?18:08
ScottKrgreening: You need to disable the python-marble stuff.18:08
rgreeningJontheEchidna: ^ kdeedu in karmic had build dep: libeigen2-dev (>= 2.0.0+svn20090515) but only 2.0.0 is in jaunty. not sure if it's actually required to have svn ver.18:08
ScottKIs current borken18:08
rgreeningsmarter: ^18:08
rgreeningScottK: ?18:09
ScottKrgreening: Python-marble18:10
Quintasanlol, my upload to REVU was rejected because "Signer has no upload rights at all to this distribution."18:10
rgreeningScottK: its commented out already from karmic18:10
ScottKQuintasan: You didn't upload to REVU, you uploaded to Ubuntu.18:10
rgreeningsmarter: any ideas?18:11
Quintasanwait, I did?18:11
ScottKAlmost certainly18:11
ScottKLook in your scrollback18:11
Quintasanyup, I did it -_-'18:11
* smarter doubts that kdeedu use some latest bleeding features from eigen18:14
smarterif that deps come from the Debian package, I guess you should ask the Debian guy who did it :)18:14
smarterrgreening: [19:10:05] -*- smarter doubts that kdeedu use some latest bleeding features from eigen18:15
smarterrgreening: does that dep version come from Debian?18:15
DaskreechSo two issues?18:18
rgreeningsmarter: yeah, I believe so18:19
smarterrgreening: then ask the Debian guy why he decided to bump the dep :p18:19
rgreeningI think thats the package they have in debian...18:20
Quintasanhttp://revu.ubuntuwire.com/p/plasma-widget-pgame <-- anyone?18:20
DaskreechNO Kde4 integration for OO.o18:20
DaskreechMedia player codec installation dialogs should be more explicit18:20
smarterrgreening: http://packages.debian.org/source/sid/kdeedu actually, the debian package doesn't even depend on eigen18:21
ScottKDaskreech: Are you saying we don't have it or we don't get it?18:22
rgreeningsmarter: right, Riddell must have added it for karmic and thats the package in karmic18:22
rgreeningso, maybe can use 2.0.018:22
smarterjaunty/kdeedu depends on eigen18:22
DaskreechScottK: Hmm? what's the difference ?18:22
rgreeningsmarter: 4.3 does18:22
rgreeningnot 4.218:23
ScottKDaskreech: We know we don't have it, I thought you might have gotten some response to your adds to the wiki page.18:23
smarterbut it deps on libeigen-dev, which is the deprecated eigen 1.018:23
rgreeningsmarter: from what I read, 4.2 didn't need it. 4.3 does and needs 2.0.018:24
DaskreechScottK: oh yes I'm saying I don't have much to add to the wiki18:24
Daskreechwhich seems a break from reality18:24
smarterrgreening: that seems reasonable, I doubt they would rely on the features of an unreleased18:24
smarterso, go for it :)18:24
ScottKDaskreech: Maybe ask in #kubuntu you'll get more input18:24
rgreeningsmarter: will try it :)18:24
DaskreechScottK: Ha good point18:25
DaskreechScottK: I'd get more if I ask in #ubuntu I'll bet18:25
ScottK#ubuntu == not our problem here.18:26
Daskreechalso = people who have fundamental issues with KDE. Should be able to find at least something there that can be worked on18:27
ScottKProbably not minor though18:27
DaskreechHence the I should be able to find something. I think that a lot of people will use Ubuntu just because of the polish So if we can find out what's important to them we can address it18:28
ScottKGood point.18:30
ScottKDaskreech: you might also look at the 'catching up with Ubuntu' spec and see if there's anything there that might qualify as minor.18:30
* ScottK looks18:34
ScottKDaskreech: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/UbuntuFeatureParity18:35
rgreeningsmarter: * Eigen2 (2.0.51 or higher)  <http://eigen.tuxfamily.org>18:40
rgreening     A generic C++ template library for dense and sparse matrices18:40
rgreening     Required to build Step.18:40
ScottKUp through Eigen 2.1 it's developed inside KDE as an internal lib, so requiring so specific rev for a beta isn't stunning....18:42
rgreeningScottK: so, I assume backport eigen from karmic to jaunty and put in the PPA is warranted18:45
=== hunger_t is now known as hunger
rgreening...more work...18:45
ScottKI've no idea.  It wouldn't suprise me though.18:45
rgreeningwell, kdeartwork and kdetoys are backported to jaunty (were missing). now, eigen18:46
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rgreeningScottK: thats strange. twice now, while CTRL+C during a pbuilder, my system hard locked.19:08
rgreeningScottK: and absolutely nothing in the logs19:10
rgreeningno kernel panic or oops or anything19:10
* yuriy is trying to get back into things19:10
ScottKyuriy: We'll see you at UDS?19:11
* rgreening wonders how a CTRL+C in a virt env can kill a runing system?19:12
ScottKiz bug19:17
JontheEchidnalex79: oh, I was working on konversation...19:17
JontheEchidnawas just about to post it in a bug, in fact19:17
lex79 I upload to LP now19:18
lex79JontheEchidna: http://paste.ubuntu.com/176588/19:19
Mamarokin 4.2.85 something is wrong with the mount option, when I plug in something it gets recognized, but it never gets actually mounted, regardless the action, regardless the device (USB, SD, whatever)19:20
ScottKrgreening: One piece of good news is that my test upgrade with just kubuntu-desktop installed pulled nothing from Universe, so no MIR immediately needed.19:23
JontheEchidnalex79: the dbug patch applies now19:23
JontheEchidnain konversation19:24
JontheEchidnathe dbug patch applies19:24
JontheEchidnathere isn't any reason to not apply it any more19:24
lex79I'm looking19:24
Mamarokit only allows me to mount devices in fstab :(19:25
lex79JontheEchidna: ok19:25
JontheEchidnawhoa, they uploaded this to unstable? I thought they'd keep it in experimental for the time being19:26
JontheEchidnathough the alpha is quite stable...19:27
lex79yeah...to unstable19:27
JontheEchidnaironic, sorta19:27
JontheEchidnathat must be why I missed it this morning when I packaged alpha119:28
MamarokPTP mode doesn't work neither for the camera :( and this definitely worked before19:29
JontheEchidnalex79: also you should try to install README.scripts the way debian is doing, instead of the old way in konversation.install19:31
JontheEchidnayou also should drop konversation.dirs since debian did19:33
lex79uhmmm Patch debian/dbug_autoreplace.diff does not apply19:33
lex79I have to refresh19:33
lex79ok I will drop19:34
JontheEchidnathat's strange, it applies fine for me...19:34
JontheEchidnawait, you might have dropped it. Something's wrong with my diff19:35
lex79Applying patch debian/dbug_autoreplace.diff19:36
lex79patching file src/config/preferences.cpp19:36
lex79Hunk #1 FAILED at 127.19:36
lex79in my debian/ there isn't  konversation.dirs19:38
JontheEchidnayou forgot to copy over the new patch from debian19:38
JontheEchidnaand the new README.source and debian/copyright19:38
JontheEchidnaand the new .xpms19:38
lex79uhm I did a beutiful merge hihihi19:39
JontheEchidnaSo, do you wanna fix it or should I upload mine?19:41
JontheEchidnayour choice19:41
JontheEchidnayou should probably do it since it would look weird if I uploaded packages to your bug....19:42
lex79JontheEchidna: you can :)19:43
rgreeningeigen2 uploaded to PPA for kdeedu...19:45
lex79brb? :)19:45
JontheEchidnabe right back19:46
JontheEchidnathough I wasn't gone for as long as I thought I would, lol19:46
JontheEchidnalex79: so that paste was bugs you needed sponsored?19:48
lex79JontheEchidna: yesssss19:48
astrommeDo any of you here maintain a kde trunk install on 9.04? Any suggestions on the best way to do it?19:49
lex79also this https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kde-style-qtcurve/+bug/37578619:49
ubottuUbuntu bug 375786 in kde-style-qtcurve "New upstream release kde-style-qtcurve 0.62.9" [Undecided,New]19:49
JontheEchidnathat's in main, I can't sponsor that19:49
astrommekdesvn-build? Neon? manual builds?19:49
astrommeand where are things installed for you? /usr/local? $HOME/somewhere? /local/install?19:49
lex79JontheEchidna: I know, go to become core-dev :P19:50
JontheEchidnalex79: ha, you should go become an MOTU :P19:50
lex79uhmmm.. I have my personal sponsor for now :P19:51
ScottKastromme: Just use Neon.19:52
astrommeScottK: but I'm working on code from within kdeplasma-addons. Won't that conflict with neon?19:53
rgreeningScottK: can you check something?19:53
lex79ScottK: sponsor kde-style-qtcurve :P19:54
rgreeningrun kpackagekit and see if under Settings you can successfully Edit Software Sources.19:54
ScottKastromme: dunno19:54
ScottKrgreening: OK19:54
rgreeningScottK: I'm not sure when this broke.19:55
rgreeningbut for me it doesnt run. greys out the app and fails.19:55
rgreeningfails to load software-properties-kde I mean.19:56
ScottKIt runs for me, but as soon as I click on something i want changed, meet Dr. Konqi.19:56
rgreeningScottK: you still on kde 4.2.219:56
ScottKIt looks like it did make the change before crashing though19:57
rgreeningcan you run kdesudo spftware-properties-kde and try changing there...19:57
ScottKSo yes, I can edit sources.  The exit is just a bit unconventional.19:57
rgreeningok.... hmm... wonder why broken for me with KDE 4.2.8519:58
rgreeningI bet the patch is mucked up.19:58
ScottKrgreening: http://paste.ubuntu.com:80/176619/20:00
rgreeninghmm... I can run it from cmdline fine.20:00
rgreeningunder 4.2.8520:00
JontheEchidnaScottK: your crasher is bug  102792 I believe20:01
ubottuLaunchpad bug 102792 in software-properties "MASTER [apport] software-properties-kde crashed with SIGSEGV in QTreeWidgetItem::setData()" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/10279220:01
rgreeningScottK: no /usr/lib/kde4/libexec/kdesu under KDE 4.2.85 is why KpackageKit fails to run software-properties-kde20:06
rgreeningScottK: what package provides that?20:07
JontheEchidnakdebase-runtime, though kdesudo also provides a symlink to that location20:07
rgreeningso runtime is now not providing a critical app20:08
rgreeningour flash installer patch expects kdesu as well20:08
rgreeningfrom kdelibs20:08
ScottKQuit grumbling and give me something to upload.20:08
rgreeningmy plate is currently full... can anyone else look at the kdesu?20:09
JontheEchidnargreening: /usr/lib/kde4/libexec/kdesu works fine here in jaunty20:10
rgreeningJontheEchidna: are you running 4.2.85?20:10
JontheEchidnavery yes20:10
rgreening1 sec....20:10
JontheEchidnalex79: looking at yakuake now20:11
rgreeningJontheEchidna: I have 4:4.2.85-0ubuntu1~jaunty1~ppa7 installed, and the deb says it contains kdesu but it's not there...20:12
rgreeningIm going to re-install the deb20:12
* ScottK blames ext420:13
rgreeningScottK: you could be right, but wouldn't I have to 1) be accessing the app 2) have it crash when accessing it and 3) have opened it in such a way as to lock for rw?20:14
ScottKrgreening: Dunno.  I wasn't really being serious.20:14
rgreeningJontheEchidna: re-installing the deb doesn't work20:15
ScottKBut I think it's 'forward leaning' to be running ext4 now.20:15
ScottKrgreening: Try purge && reinstall20:15
rgreeningScottK: whats this mean: /usr/lib/kde4/libexec/kdesu20:17
rgreeningdiverted by kdesudo to: /usr/lib/kde4/libexec/kdesu.distrib20:17
ScottKIt means kdesudo did a diversion, it didn't make a symlink.20:18
ScottKThat, I don't think is good in this case.20:18
rgreeningso, what do we do? we need the symlink or fix a bunch of patches20:19
rgreeningthere are 3 that I know of for sure.. 2 in kde4libs and one in kpk. prob others20:20
rgreeningScottK, JontheEchidna^^20:20
rgreeningJontheEchidna: do you have kdesudo installed?20:20
ScottKrgreening: What version of kdesudo do you have?20:21
JontheEchidnaactually, the diversion has been causing file overwrite problems between kdebase-runtime and kdesudo20:21
rgreeningI though kdesudo was going away20:21
rgreeningwell this breaks 3 critical things so far...20:22
JontheEchidnaonce everything uses policykit I suppose20:22
rgreeningand monkeys may fly [...]20:23
rgreeningkdeedu uploaded20:23
rgreeningI think that's the last backport required besides kdebindings which never got built at all in karmic.20:24
rgreeningScottK: kdesudo 3.4.1-0ubuntu120:26
ScottKI've got the symlink.20:28
rgreeningScottK: maybe I'll re-install kdesudo...20:29
rgreeningkdesudo re-installed the symlink20:30
rgreeningso one deletes it the other activates it20:31
rgreeningScottK: can you see if you can figure it out? I have to jet for a couple of hours ($wife beckons)20:31
rgreeningactally demands...20:31
Mamarokoh my, had to actually add my device manually to /etc/fstab20:52
Mamarokno way to mount it without that20:53
smarterMamarok: feels like the 90's again? :p21:14
Mamaroksmarter: worse, there's the uuid to insert...21:15
Mamarokexactly the reaction I had21:17
Mamaroklet's hope this gets sorted out, mount worked out of the box in Jaunty ti  2.2.321:17
JontheEchidnalex79: btw, kmplayer could be merged from debian21:26
ScottKIs anyone else lacking the 'safely unmount' action for USB sticks/SD cards with 4.2?21:50
vorianI just unmounted a usb stick21:50
ScottKWith the U/I or by hand?21:51
vorianwith the u/i21:51
ScottKOK.  Just me then.21:51
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RiddellI always had that21:52
* ScottK waves to Riddell21:53
vorianhas someone looked at this"21:54
voriantrying to overwrite `/usr/share/kde4/apps/kstyle/themes/oxygen.themrc', which is also in package kde-icons-oxygen21:55
ScottKIIRC that was on the list I pastebin'ed earlier.21:56
vorianthat should be a quick fix21:57
ScottKThere's a list21:57
vorianoh noes21:57
ScottKvorian: If you can figure out http://paste.ubuntu.com:80/176508/, I can sponsor.21:58
vorianwell hell22:00
voriani upgraded before I set up my dev-shell22:01
vorianhow can I force my way through if -f doesn't work :P22:02
vorianit may be a while22:04
smartervorian: dpkg --force-overwrite?22:06
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JontheEchidnais eigen2 in main in karmic now?22:28
ScottKJontheEchidna: It is22:29
ScottKeigen2 | 2.0.0+svn20090515-0ubuntu1 |        karmic | source22:29
ScottKJontheEchidna: rmadison eigen2 ftw22:29
JontheEchidnagreat, we should watch out for eigen2 in the cmake log of the KDE packages next time then22:29
JontheEchidnaI think kdeartwork and kdeplasma-addons can both use them, but aren't currently22:30
JontheEchidnain fact, as long as we're uploading another kdeplasma-addons in the near future (the desc change) maybe we should do that then22:30
* JontheEchidna puts it on the todo22:30
* ScottK notes he's got the buildd's for hppa and armel totally blocked atm.22:35
lex79JontheEchidna: ok for kmplayer merge22:44
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* Mamarok needs some sleep now23:24
lex79JontheEchidna: Do we keep kmplayer, kmplayer-base, kmplayer-konq-plugin? debian has merged kmplayer-common and kmplayer-plugin in kmplayer binary23:59

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