[02:06] <nixternal> everyone ^^
[02:25] <JontheEchidna> ... I did six hours straight of bug fixing/regression testing
[02:25] <JontheEchidna> ScottK can vouch for that
[02:29] <nixternal> groovy, just getting warn out from people messaging me asking me about the 4.3 packages borking their systems
[02:29] <nixternal> ie. dpkg -i --force-overwrite isn't the answer, and that's what people have been telling them to do
[02:31] <JontheEchidna> more like^
[02:32] <JontheEchidna> that's where most of the errors are coming from
[02:32] <nixternal> that is one thing, but people shouldn't be rushing to get packages uploaded so they can get some soyuz karma
[02:32] <nixternal> I wish they would remove Karma as it is causing other issues as well out there
[02:32] <JontheEchidna> this has nothing to do with karma
[02:32] <JontheEchidna> we were half a week late as it is
[02:32] <nixternal> sure it does, people are thirsty
[02:32] <nixternal> why else do they need to see who can package the fastest?
[02:33] <nixternal> this isn't just for the 4.3, as it happened quite a bit during jaunty as well
[02:33] <nixternal> this time around it was either sloppyness or laziness...obviously nobody tested prior to uploading
[02:35] <nixternal> https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdebase
[02:35] <nixternal> not even a month into the cycle and there have been 4 uploads fixing stuff we missed initially
[02:35] <nixternal> granted it might be a bit OK right now, but it is sloppy and causes more work down the road
[02:37] <JontheEchidna> and if you'll see, those were all uploaded before the jaunty PPA was advertised, meaning all those bugs were were fixed in the jaunty packages
[02:39] <nixternal> and that's good, but there are still quite a few issues with the jaunty packages, let alone the karmic ones
[02:39] <nixternal> though the karmic issues could partially be due to slowness of the builds
[02:39] <nixternal> i think that should have stayed in there as a reminder
[02:40] <nixternal> don't know about you, but getting 30+ messages a day about the same thing over and over is a pita
[02:40] <nixternal> groovy, that is perfect :)
[02:44] <neversfelde> mhh, ha
[02:44] <neversfelde> I think my kontact icon prob is individual
[02:45] <neversfelde> i sthere another 4.2.3 prob that prevent getting it to -updates?
[02:46] <neversfelde> I read about some rss problems?
[02:47] <nixternal> haven't followed
[02:48] <nixternal> man, what an improvement with kwebkit
[02:48] <nixternal> 100/100 acid3 test without looking super wrong
[02:49] <nixternal> and GMail works great!
[02:49] <neversfelde> hehe
[02:50] <nixternal> it makes konqi really usable
[02:50] <neversfelde> JontheEchidna: I think you answered the bug report on lp about an rss widget. Any special tests needed?
[02:50] <neversfelde> nixternal: konqui grows and it grows fast :)
[02:51] <nixternal> now if only I could get moonlight working :p JUST KIDDING!
[02:51] <JontheEchidna> well, broken is pretty much broken... :(
[02:51] <neversfelde> the only thing that prevents me from leaving ff is syncing bookmarks
[02:51] <JontheEchidna> there is a chance it's a Qt bug though
[02:51] <neversfelde> but it goes in the right direction
[02:51] <JontheEchidna> so if somebody could test 4.2.3 in a Qt 4.5.0 (versus 4.5.1) that'd be neat
[02:52] <neversfelde> JontheEchidna: where to get 4.5.1?
[02:52] <JontheEchidna> The problem is not getting 4.5.1
[02:53] <JontheEchidna> I believe the PPAs with Qt 4.5.1 were also used to upload 4.2.3 to
[02:53] <JontheEchidna> meaning that anybody who used KDE 4.2.3 also upgraded to Qt 4.5.1
[02:53] <neversfelde> JontheEchidna: I think I used some 4.5.1 components while using the old experimental ppa
[02:54] <JontheEchidna> Qt 4.5.1 is what's potentially causing the regression :(
[02:54] <neversfelde> but in the new exp ppa there is  no 4.5.1?
[02:54] <nixternal> neversfelde: sync your bookmarks with dropbox
[02:54] <JontheEchidna> Qt 4.5.1 was uploaded to this PPA: https://edge.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-experimental/+archive/ppa
[02:54] <JontheEchidna> KDE 4.2.3 was also uploaded to the same PPA
[02:55] <neversfelde> nixternal: I did it with unison and I should blog about some time
[02:55] <neversfelde> JontheEchidna: ok, then, I used it before this reinstall and there were no special problems
[02:55] <JontheEchidna> RSSNow worked?
[02:56] <neversfelde> JontheEchidna: I did not test it with the old exp ppa
[02:56] <neversfelde> so I should do a test with it and RSSNow
[02:56] <neversfelde> ?
[02:56] <JontheEchidna> We know that RSSNow is broken from the old PPA
[02:57] <JontheEchidna> and KDE 4.2.3 is only available from the old PPA
[02:57] <JontheEchidna> which also happens to have Qt 4.5.1
[02:57] <JontheEchidna> what we need is testing without Qt 4.5.1
[02:57] <JontheEchidna> to see if it's still broken with KDE 4.2.3 + Qt 4.5.0
[02:57] <JontheEchidna> if it is, then it's a Qt bug which would not stop KDE from moving to -updates
[02:58] <neversfelde> JontheEchidna: I installed from here
[02:58] <neversfelde> https://edge.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ppa/+archive/ppa
[02:58] <neversfelde> there is no 4.5.1ß
[02:59] <neversfelde> 4.5.1 is only here
[03:00] <neversfelde> https://edge.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-experimental/+archive/ppa
[03:00] <jjesse> so all these problems with the kde upgrade are really frustrating, was notified of new updates due ot using the ppa and every single package failed to install
[03:00] <JontheEchidna> oh yeah, we copied it over, didn't we
[03:00] <neversfelde> JontheEchidna: but without 4.5.1?
[03:01] <JontheEchidna> yeah, I believe so
[03:02] <neversfelde> well, I can test it with the old exp repo tomorrow
[03:02] <neversfelde> probably the new qt 4.5.1 shoul also go to the new updates or backports ppa
[03:03] <JontheEchidna> Qt 4.5.1 may be the problem
[03:03]  * neversfelde is testing RRSNow without Qt4.5.1
[03:04] <neversfelde> what was the exact problem eith it, I read abou, but frgot
[03:04] <JontheEchidna> it's contents are invisible
[03:04] <JontheEchidna> just a blank background
[03:04] <nixternal> I just figured out what GTK stands for
[03:05] <neversfelde> sorry, batteries are empty again
[03:05] <nixternal> does anyone in here know?
[03:08] <neversfelde> RssNow seems to work for me with 4.2.3 and 4.5.0
[03:08] <neversfelde> there is a problem with icons, but it is not a new one
[03:10] <neversfelde> this should not be a problem to bring 4.2.3 to -update
[03:13] <lex79> neversfelde: this launchpad bug 353953
[03:13] <lex79> is still present?
[03:16] <neversfelde> lex79: yeah, but that is an upstream problem, I think
[03:17] <neversfelde> lex79: did you have a closer look at fotowall?
[03:18] <neversfelde> I am not sure about these license problems and I have a few suggestions
[03:18] <neversfelde> probably I can send them to you?
[03:18] <lex79> I send an email to upstream to drop 3rdparty components
[03:18] <lex79> no answer for now :(
[03:19] <neversfelde> mhh, yes, would be the best if they drop it
[03:21] <lex79> if authors drop 3rdparty, all license problem go away :)
[03:21] <lex79> *author
[03:21] <neversfelde> hehe
[03:21] <lex79> :D
[03:22] <neversfelde> the debian packager gave it up for not getting in contact with him
[03:22] <neversfelde> :(
[03:24] <lex79> I think the upstream is very lazy
[03:24] <neversfelde> mhh
[03:24] <nixternal> or upstream is busy with personal life?
[03:25] <neversfelde> nixternal: he is free enough to pu blish software with over 90% on kde-apps
[03:26] <nixternal> he is a volunteer developer though right?
[03:26] <nixternal> he is doing this on his own free time I am assuming
[03:26] <neversfelde> sure
[03:27] <nixternal> unless it is his only job, then I don't push hard, I typically give them a week, fire off one more email, and then attack from there
[03:27] <nixternal> no need to call them lazy without knowing why they aren't responding
[03:28] <neversfelde> mhh, ok
[03:28] <neversfelde> the debian packager gave up this job after he wrote several mails
[03:29] <nixternal> has it been more than a month? could be a student on holiday or such
[03:29] <nixternal> if they don't respond in a month, fork that bad boy :)
[03:30] <nixternal> though I thought RSSNow was in KDE svn
[03:30] <neversfelde> I think he gave up after several month trying, but I do not know more
[03:31] <nixternal> oh wow, ya then you can count that as a loss and either fork it/take it over, or ditch it
[03:31] <neversfelde> working with busy upstream is a pleausre, I did it with mtux and choqok and that teached me a lot
[03:32] <nixternal> hehe
[03:32] <neversfelde> not at least speaking english :)
[03:32] <nixternal> I was maintaining plucker in debian, ubuntu, and other distros, so I know the feeling
[03:33] <nixternal> I would get an email from someone who uses plucker "Dude! there was a CVS commit to plucker, can you put in new packages ASAP!?!?!"
[03:33] <neversfelde> hehe, I get about 15 bug reports for choqok a day, so not know why, but I push them forward to upstream
[03:33] <neversfelde> and look at choqok, it works :D
[03:34] <nixternal> define works? :p
[03:34] <nixternal> Ctrl+r has a weird way of working
[03:35] <neversfelde> choqok grows to a real cool app and the devs accept all proposals
[03:35] <neversfelde> even so for bilbo
[03:45] <ScottK> Got qt4-x11 to build on armel (had to patch boost1.35 to do it).
[03:47] <ScottK> neversfelde: Sounds like quassel (cool app and devs accept proposals)
[03:53] <neversfelde> ScottK: yes, not as important as an IRC app in main, but it is really cool to work with them. Especially for a new packager :)
[03:54] <ScottK> Well it wasn't in Main to start ....
[03:54] <neversfelde> hehe
[03:56] <neversfelde> microblogging grows, so one time we should think about pushing choqok to main
[03:57] <neversfelde> but that should be a task for karmic+*
[06:32] <nixternal> neversfelde: honestly, that choqok by default is probably a really good idea, even for Karmic
[06:33] <ScottK> nixternal: Mark it in the wiki page for Karmic packaging please.
[07:44] <Riddell> morning!
[07:50] <Riddell> apparantly there's no internet access at allhands so I won't be around much
[08:03] <Mamarok> morning Riddell :)
[08:04] <Hobbsee> Riddell: no internet at all?  Why?
[09:44] <Riddell> ooh, beta 1 happened for jaunty, top stuff
[10:04] <Mamarok> Riddell: well, happened is a bit muhc said, still many dependency errors
[10:13] <Mamarok> ok, managed to install kde 4.3, but with multiple force-overwrite and -f install options
[10:13] <Mamarok> the following packages are still held back:
[10:13] <Mamarok> kdebase kdebase-workspace kdebase-workspace-bin kdebase-workspace-data kdegames kdenetwork kdeutils kfilereplace klinkstatus kommander konqueror kopete superkaramba
[10:13] <Mamarok> I don't care much for kdegames and such, but konqueror and kdebase stuff...
[10:14] <Mamarok> let's see if I can log out...
[10:25] <Mamarok> folks, we have to take down that KDE 4.3 announcement down immediately, there are so many errors it's hardly bearable...
[10:26] <Mamarok> kdm doesn't load a greeting widget, so login into KDE is only doable with startx from tty1
[10:27] <Mamarok> KDE has *not* wallpaper at all, literally a "transparent" screen with chessboard
[10:28] <Mamarok> pager shows nothing, power manager doesn't see the power configurations, etc, etc.
[10:28] <Mamarok> this is hardly alpha :(
[10:28] <Tm_T> Mamarok: you mean packaging?
[10:29] <Mamarok> Tm_T: KDE 4.3 beta just doesn't work in an acceptable manner
[10:29] <Mamarok> Tm_T: we have to take that announcement down ASAP
[10:30] <Tm_T> Mamarok: sure, but I doubt it's KDE fault, more like in packaging side
[10:31] <Mamarok> ell, I know, but we have an announcement on kubuntu.org that should never have gone there
[10:31] <Mamarok> krunner freezes
[10:32] <Mamarok> ksnapshot freezes
[10:46] <gribelu> I just spent the last 2 hours installing 4.2.85 and then trying to get back to 4.2.3 on jaunty
[10:46] <gribelu> Mamarok is right, it's not working :)
[10:58] <Mamarok> gribelu: well, I can use it, but with a lot of tweaking, and it's not really a KDE as it should be
[10:58] <gribelu> yeah I know
[10:58] <Mamarok> without kdebase being updated...
[11:10] <Nightrose> why is kdebase not being updated?
[11:10] <Nightrose> Mamarok: ^
[11:50] <Mamarok> Nightrose: well, I don't know, ask the packagers
[11:50] <Mamarok> it's held back, read my previous comments
[11:51] <Nightrose> yes I read that
[11:51] <Nightrose> did you try to install it?
[11:51] <Mamarok> Nightrose: yes I did, doesn't work
[11:51] <Nightrose> output?
[11:51] <Mamarok> Nightrose: I am not dumb, you know...
[11:52] <Mamarok> I already posted everything here, read back
[11:52] <jussi01> *G* now now peoples...
[11:52]  * Mamarok has work to do
[11:54] <Nightrose> uhmm I was trying to help you...
[11:55] <Nightrose> and I can't find where in the backlog you said what output "sudo apt-get install kdebase" gives you
[11:55] <Nightrose> (same for the other held back-packages)
[12:23] <Mamarok> Nightrose: it removes kdebase-plasma and seriously broke KDE even more for a user who reported it on #kubuntu
[12:33]  * Hobbsee notes this is sounding very much like "these packages are broken.  wave your magic wand and fix it, however they're broken"
[12:37] <Hobbsee> Mamarok: i doubt anyone is doubting the severity of your statements, nor that there is a problem.  The fact of the matter is, unless there's good information about how it's broken (such as logs for commands that Nightrose said), it's going to take more time to attempt to reproduce them, before being even able to start fixing.
[12:45] <tsimpson> I've found why kpackagekit doesn't display changelogs
[12:45] <tsimpson> and it's *not* an issue with KPackageKit :)
[12:48] <Hobbsee> tsimpson: it's the "changelogs.ubuntu.com doesn't update quick enough" bug, or?
[12:49] <tsimpson> Hobbsee: bug #377535
[12:49] <tsimpson> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kpackagekit/+bug/377535
[12:50]  * Hobbsee looks it up
[12:50] <tsimpson> launchpad/bot I hate thee
[12:50] <Hobbsee> heh
[12:51] <tsimpson> proof: http://img195.imageshack.us/img195/3618/kpkj.jpg
[12:54] <Mamarok> Hobbsee: read what I said right above you :)
[12:54] <Mamarok> sry folks, I'm awfully busy right now, need to earn some monnies
[12:55]  * Riddell removes jaunty announce from kubuntu.org
[12:56] <Hobbsee> so kdebase removes kdebase-plasma.  blarg, i'm not about to try to do this in a chroot
[13:00] <nixternal> hehe
[13:00] <nixternal> good morning Kubuntuerz
[13:02] <nixternal> Mamarok: I was able to get the packages installed by doing a ton of --force-overwrite, -f install, and apt-get update && dist-upgrade - over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over :)
[13:04] <Mamarok> nixternal: so did I, but when it tried to remove kdebase-plasma I stopped and reinstalled 4.2.3
[13:04] <nixternal> hrmm
[13:05] <nixternal> that's interesting...it didn't try to remove mine as it didn't even update mine...kdebase-plasma is still 4.2.3
[13:05] <Mamarok> nixternal: because you din't try to install kdebase
[13:05] <Mamarok> didn't*
[13:05] <nixternal> ahh you are right
[13:05] <nixternal> wth
[13:07]  * nixternal wonders when Kubuntu will have to many PPAs
[13:09] <nixternal> ooh we are up to ppa7...nice
[13:09]  * nixternal goes to interview and Novell IT Action Tour
[13:09] <nixternal> later
[13:12] <rgreening> nixternal: actually, we had a discussion at last meeting about the ppa. and we have reduced the ppas going forward ... only under lp:~kubuntu-ppa
[13:12] <rgreening> others will die and be decommissioned. so we have only 3 active.
[13:18] <tsimpson> man bzr is slow
[13:20] <rgreening> Mamarok, nixternal: kdebase-plasma is replaced by plasma-widget-folderview. Install the later to remove the former.
[13:21] <rgreening> JontheEchidna: ping
[13:21] <JontheEchidna> rgreening: pong
[13:21] <rgreening> see above note JontheEchidna.
[13:21] <rgreening> do we need a transitional kdebase-plasma to force the upgrade?
[13:22] <JontheEchidna> yeah
[13:22] <JontheEchidna> I am just realizing this now, but  I still have kdebase-plasma installed
[13:23] <rgreening> I did too.
[13:23] <rgreening> this was part of the debian merge
[13:23] <rgreening> we missed adding in the transitional package
[13:24] <rgreening> JontheEchidna: will you take care of or do you want me to?
[13:24] <JontheEchidna> It'd be nice if somebody else would fix things for a change :P
[13:24] <rgreening> :)
[13:25] <rgreening> I may need to ping ya on it. I'm assuming I just need an entry in the control file
[13:25] <JontheEchidna> yeah
[13:26] <rgreening> ok. Let me do up the diff...
[13:29] <rgreening> JontheEchidna: I wonder, would simply adding a Replaces to plasma-widget-folderview for kdebase-plasa work?
[13:30] <rgreening> or would we still need a meta package for kdebase-plasma to install theplasma-widget-folderview
[13:35] <rgreening> JontheEchidna: nevermind. I see that is a replaces line. It doesn't force the upgrade, so a transitional package is def required... and updating the Replaces/Conflict line to include << 4.2.85
[13:35] <Nightrose> rgreening: nixternal didn't mean the number of ppa but the number of uploads to a ppa for a certain package
[13:35] <Nightrose> ;-)
[13:36] <rgreening> Nightrose: -*- nixternal wonders when Kubuntu will have to many PPAs
[13:36] <rgreening> :)
[13:43] <ScottK> tsimpson: bzr may be slow now, but it's a speed demon compared to where it was two years ago.
[13:43]  * ScottK waves
[13:44] <rgreening> o/
[13:44] <tsimpson> it's probably because the branch was using "RepositoryFormatKnit1", whatever that means
[13:45] <ScottK> One of my 'favorite' aspects of bzr is you are required to know something about/care about repository formats.
[13:48] <rgreening> ScottK: are you able to upload a debdiff for me in a little while?
[13:49] <ScottK> rgreening: Shouldn't be a problem.
[13:49] <rgreening> kdebase needs some fixing. working on them now.
[13:49] <rgreening> :)
[13:49] <rgreening> ty
[13:53] <rgreening> JontheEchidna: I assume I'll need to make a similar change for karmic, correct?
[13:53] <ScottK> rgreening: Yes
[13:53] <ScottK> I figured that's what you needed me to upload for?
[13:54] <rgreening> ScottK: making th echange in jaunty (thats the pbuilder I have setup at the moment).
[13:54] <rgreening> I'll get the karmic one right after.. so 2 uploads :)
[13:54] <rgreening> oh, nm, Jaunty is in PPA..
[13:55] <rgreening> :)
[13:55] <rgreening> so, just the karmic, ya
[13:55] <rgreening> lol
[13:55] <rgreening> me brain is a wee bit slow today.
[13:56] <rgreening> "I say, that boy is as sharp as a sack of wet potatas!"
[13:57] <geser> karmic has two source packages for plasma-widget-translatoid: transloid (0.8; synced from Debian) and plasma-widget-translatoid (0.9; uploaded to Ubuntu). Which one should be kept in the long run?
[13:59] <ScottK> Who uploaded the Ubuntu one?
[14:00] <geser> -- Jonathan Thomas < echidnaman@kubuntu.org>   Tue, 28 Apr 2009 19:30:59 -0400
[14:01] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: ^^^^ Please go sort this out with Debian.
[14:01] <ScottK> geser: Thanks for noticing, we'll get it sorted out.
[14:03] <geser> while I was looking at the "Failed to upload" errors, I also noticed that kdewebdev-dbg from kdewebdev-kde3 probably was forgotten to rename (the other binary packages got an additional -kde3)
[14:04] <ScottK> geser: Thanks.
[14:05] <JontheEchidna> Looks like debian removed transloid? http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=transloid&searchon=names&suite=all&section=all
[14:05] <JontheEchidna> yeah, plasma-widget-translatoid is now in sid
[14:05] <geser> http://packages.qa.debian.org/t/translatoid.html
[14:07] <JontheEchidna> oh, the source package is named correctly, but not the binary package
[14:07] <JontheEchidna> er, the other way around
[14:10] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: Yeah, so please talk to the Debian people and agree on what it will be.
[14:12] <ScottK> geser: kdewebdev fixed.  Thanks again.
[15:13] <Daskreech> Is there a bug with kdm in 4.2.85 ?
[15:25] <rgreening> JontheEchidna: ping
[15:26] <rgreening> ./../../../apps/dolphin/src/panels/information/phononwidget.h:29:25: error: Phonon/Global: No such file or directory
[15:26] <rgreening> JontheEchidna: from kdebase in jaunty....
[15:26] <JontheEchidna> you uploaded it to karmic
[15:27] <rgreening> 1 sec...
[15:27] <JontheEchidna> or rather, karmic is in debian/changelog as the series
[15:27] <rgreening> shouldn't be....
[15:27] <rgreening> wtf
[15:27] <JontheEchidna> if you have devscripts from jaunty-backports installed, it'll be that by default
[15:27] <rgreening> or for fs
[15:28] <rgreening> fsckfsckfsck
[15:28] <JontheEchidna> oooh, konversation 1.2 alpha1
[15:28]  * JontheEchidna packages
[15:29] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: I think Debian has it packages already, so you should just be able to merge from them.
[15:30] <JontheEchidna> they have a recent svn version of it. I merged that yesterday, but then konversation released a new tarball
[15:31] <ScottK> Ah
[15:31] <ScottK> rgreening: kdebase uploaded.  Thank you for your contribution to Kubuntu.
[15:31] <JontheEchidna> it is an svn version from yesterday, but konversation released alpha1 this morning
[15:31] <ScottK> Nice to see JontheEchidna isn't the only one working on this stuff.
[15:31] <ScottK> Heh.
[15:31] <JontheEchidna> ;-)
[15:32] <JontheEchidna> I did feel abandoned there this weekend....
[15:32] <rgreening> lol
[15:32] <rgreening> I try and squeeze in whereever I can.
[15:32] <rgreening> Im a big guy, so its not that easy :P
[15:32] <ScottK> Hey, you weren't abandoned.  You had dedicated service from a core-dev to shovel your stuff into the repos.
[15:32] <JontheEchidna> That I did, thanks a lot.
[15:33] <ScottK> Great, more to go around when the food runs low
[15:33] <rgreening> I was also around :(
[15:33] <rgreening> lol
[15:33] <Daskreech> Cause when you sit around the chan you really sit around the chan?
[15:34] <Mamarok> ok, back from work, need a coffee now
[15:34] <rgreening> Daskreech: muahhahahah
[15:34] <JontheEchidna> Anyway, I just hope that next time we do a huge merge from debian then do an upgrade to a new beta, that I'm not the only one preparing 5 updates for each of the core KDE packages when we find overwrite errors
[15:34] <JontheEchidna> it's a great way to waste a whole weekend ;-)
[15:35] <JontheEchidna> and I hope we never wait that long to do a merge that big again
[15:35] <rgreening> JontheEchidna: true enough. sorry I missed that...
[15:35] <JontheEchidna> rgreening: it's ok, I know you do what you can :)
[15:35] <rgreening> lol
[15:35] <rgreening> I wish I had 8 arms
[15:35] <ScottK> It should be better in the future now that KDE 4.2 is in Unstable/Testing.
[15:36] <JontheEchidna> That's what I'm hoping
[15:36] <Daskreech> \o/
[15:36] <Daskreech> Will they move to KDE 4.3 ?
[15:36]  * Mamarok really needs to learn packaging
[15:36] <ScottK> We've been kind of out of process for a long time as far as that goes.
[15:36] <ScottK> Daskreech: They'll probably do pre-release packages in experimental.
[15:36] <rgreening> JontheEchidna: ok, got the correct kdebase uploaded for jaunty :)
[15:36] <JontheEchidna> :)
[15:37] <rgreening> whats next on the list of things to fix/do?
[15:37] <JontheEchidna> um
[15:37] <rgreening> in order of highest priority
[15:37] <rgreening> :)
[15:37] <Daskreech> Is there a bug with kdm in 4.2.85 ?
[15:37] <JontheEchidna> I think there were a few other conflict errors, but I've not seen any detailed logs of them
[15:38] <Daskreech> For logging out?
[15:38] <rgreening> Daskreech: I don't see any
[15:38] <rgreening> under Jaunty or Karmic?
[15:38] <JontheEchidna> Daskreech: none that haven't been an issue since 4.0, in my experience
[15:38] <Daskreech> Jaunty
[15:38] <rgreening> nope. works fine for me.
[15:38] <Daskreech> When I log out KDM doen't die so I don't get a new login
[15:39] <Daskreech> I have to either alt+sysreq+k or manually stop kdm
[15:39] <JontheEchidna> That's been known to happen with various proprietary drivers for a while now, iirc
[15:40] <Daskreech> ah
[15:40] <Daskreech> New ATI?
[15:40] <JontheEchidna> It personally happens with me with ancient nvidia drivers, and has been since 4.0 :(
[15:40] <JontheEchidna> (96 legacy series)
[15:41] <Daskreech> How do you work around it?
[15:42] <Daskreech> add a /etc/init.d/kdm stop to kdeinit ?
[15:42] <JontheEchidna> Oh, I just use crtl + alt + backspace on the occasions I need to log out
[15:42] <JontheEchidna> and do a reboot when I want my session saved
[15:43] <Daskreech> Ugh
[15:43] <Daskreech> Yeha so far that's what I'm doing minus reboot
[15:44] <JontheEchidna> It's been a year and a half since 4.0, so I suppose I've gotten used to it, lol
[15:44] <JontheEchidna> I don't need to log out that often anyway
[15:45] <txwikinger_work> Did UDS already start?
[15:45] <Daskreech> Yeah it's randomly aggravating
[15:45] <ScottK> txwikinger: Next week
[15:45] <Daskreech> We should probably have a listing of important bugs to raise visibilty of
[15:46] <ScottK> Yep.
[15:49] <rgreening> Daskreech: I agree. If you want to be the sheppard of such a list, I'll bring it to UDS and we can discuss an action plan to address...
[15:49] <rgreening> :>
[15:49] <rgreening> JontheEchidna: Im sure you have some such bugs you can toss to Daskreech to add to the list
[15:50] <rgreening> Daskreech: maybe setup a wiki and add a link to https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/desktop-karmic-death-by-100-paper-cuts
[15:50] <txwikinger_work> thanks ScottK
[15:50] <rgreening> we may be able to add them to this discussion.
[15:51] <JontheEchidna> most of the issues are either networkmangler or KPackageKiller related
[15:52] <JontheEchidna> if we can make those two not suck and do most of our specs for karmic, I'd be happy
[15:52] <Riddell> easy :)
[15:52] <rgreening> hahah
[15:53] <rgreening> we need more people pulled to the Blue Side... "the blue is strong in this one"
[15:55] <ScottK> Turns out we lost jpds.
[15:55] <ScottK> He doesn't use KDE anymore.
[15:55] <ScottK> (please don't go give him crap about it)
[16:03] <Nightrose> did he say why?
[16:10] <Daskreech> Is kpackagekit supposed to have an add/remove mode ?
[16:11] <ScottK> Nightrose: Focused on server stuff, lost interest in which DE he was using.
[16:12] <Nightrose> ah ok
[16:12] <Nightrose> fair enough
[16:12] <Mamarok> Jonaactually, I do n*not* use a proprietary driver and have the same logout problems as Daskreech ...
[16:12] <Daskreech> lost to the  command line that's an interesting story
[16:13] <Mamarok> hm, that went wrong...
[16:14] <Mamarok> Daskreech: I had that with 4.2.3 before, and still have with 4.3 beta
[16:14] <Daskreech> Hmm
[16:15] <Daskreech> Also I can't seem to pull up system settings Modules from krunner
[16:15] <Mamarok> is there a new ATI dirver that works around now?
[16:15] <Daskreech> A new one came out sunday Still screwed
[16:15] <Mamarok> I can't even start krunner with Alt+F2 anymore, I have to run it from konsole which makes it totally useless
[16:16] <Mamarok> Daskreech: does KDM start normally for you in 4.2.85?
[16:16] <Daskreech> once you run it once it shuld work after that
[16:16] <Mamarok> Daskreech: looks like I will have to logaout again
[16:16] <Daskreech> Want to save the session?
[16:18] <ScottK> OK, so now we're built successfully on all archs up through Akonadi.
[16:19] <ScottK> Making progress ...
[16:19] <Daskreech> rgreening: use the Little details Wiki ?
[16:20] <rgreening> hmm... ScottK ^ ?
[16:20] <ScottK> no idea.
[16:20] <ScottK> All I know is what I read in the spec, but without looking, I'd say yes.
[16:20] <ScottK> Let's just assume we're included in that.
[16:24] <Mamarok> Daskreech: do you remember the SysRq you use to kill KDM?
[16:24] <Daskreech> Ok anyone want to throw niggling details at me?
[16:24] <Daskreech> alt+Sysreq+k
[16:24] <Mamarok> thx
[16:24] <Daskreech> if yot want your session saved do that after logout
[16:25] <ScottK> Daskreech: No KDE4 integration for OOo.
[16:25] <Daskreech> That techincally kills X which means KDM doesnt get a chance to save
[16:25] <ScottK> I know that's not a detail, but what the heck.
[16:25] <Daskreech> It is a detail
[16:25] <Mamarok> ok, will give it a try, have to restart that KDE anyway, half of the stuff is not working and I want to complete the update, forcing a few things...
[16:25] <Daskreech> It doesn't harm the function or usage of either KDE4 or OO.o but it hampers the experince
[16:26] <Daskreech> Kuser not turning up in System Settings is probably not a detail
[16:26] <ScottK> As an added bonus every KDE distro out there needs OOo for KDE4 and so Canonical could score some "we do stuff" points with that.
[16:27] <ScottK> No.  Doesn't Kuser integration need some 'magic' for getting superuser stuff before it can happen?
[16:27] <Daskreech> what?
[16:27] <Daskreech> as in user intervention?
[16:28] <ScottK> There's at least one module that's not integrated because it needs superuser rights and there's no way to get to that in systemsettings.
[16:28] <ScottK> I think that's true.
[16:28] <ScottK> JontheEchidna may be the one that knows.
[16:28] <Daskreech> That would be kuser then.
[16:28] <Daskreech> it's installed but it doesn't turn up there
[16:28] <Daskreech> which is aggravating but probably not a detail
[16:29] <ScottK> It needs some plumbing work so sort out.
[16:32] <Daskreech> Anyone else has detail areas that they would like added?
[16:32] <Daskreech> Riddell: no complaints?
[16:33] <ScottK> Daskreech: He's only got intermittent access.
[16:34] <Daskreech> well it's a general call :-) I just highlighted him since he would probably have a larger finger on the pulse
[16:35] <Daskreech> seele and JontheEchidna apachelogger etc all probably have chum they can throw in the water
[16:36] <Daskreech> Anything that we can consider a regression as expected from a Gnome experience ?
[16:38] <seele> Daskreech: ?
[16:38] <Daskreech> seele: hi
[16:39] <Daskreech> Oh sorry to catch up we are gathering 100 bugs for death by 100 cuts
[16:39] <Daskreech> I'm going tosubmit them to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LittleDetails and https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/desktop-karmic-death-by-100-paper-cuts
[16:39] <Daskreech> Just details of things that should be fixed and are probably an easy fix in terms of the solution
[16:40] <Daskreech> figured you might be on the list of people that have a standing set of things you would like to see addressed
[16:41] <seele> bugs? i dont really deal in bugs too much
[16:42] <seele> unless there are some that have to do with usability, but people would have to tell me about them
[16:43] <Daskreech> seele: Usabilty stuff is a bug
[16:43] <Daskreech> You don't have any niggling issues with kubuntu currently?
[16:47] <rgreening> JontheEchidna: did we forget kdeartwork for jaunty?
[16:50] <JontheEchidna> oops
[16:50] <rgreening> :)
[16:51] <rgreening> There's an issue with kdewebdev too... kfilereplace-kde4 and kfilereplace... Im stuck with the old 4.2.2 one and not the 4.2.85 for some reason.
[16:51] <rgreening> JontheEchidna: I can do the artwork
[16:52] <rgreening> Doy uo want to look at kdewebdev?
[16:52] <ScottK> rgreening: No transitional package from -kde4?
[16:52] <rgreening> ScottK: thats what it appears to be
[16:52] <rgreening> ScottK: did you have a recent fix for kdewebdev earlier today?
[16:52] <ScottK> Mine was the kde3 one
[16:52] <rgreening> maybe you want to work this then?
[16:52] <rgreening> oh
[16:52] <ScottK> No.
[16:52] <rgreening> :)
[16:52] <rgreening> lol
[16:53]  * ScottK really should be doing $WORK and not IRC.
[16:53] <Mamarok> bingo, got a working 4.3 beta :)
[16:53]  * rgreening should be too
[16:53] <Mamarok> but that was a pain, really
[16:53]  * txwikinger_work has the same problem as ScottK
[16:54] <rgreening> Mamarok: can you provide a list of errored packages and forced overrides you needed?
[16:54] <rgreening> we'll need ot get those resolved (any outstanding)
[16:55] <Daskreech> Mamarok: What happened?
[16:55] <Mamarok> rgreening: ouch, there were so many...
[16:55] <Mamarok> is this logged somewhere?
[16:55] <Daskreech> dpkg.log ?
[16:55] <Mamarok> right!
[17:08] <rgreening> JontheEchidna: no kdeedu either :)
[17:08] <Mamarok> rgreening: unfortunately that log doesn't tell me what I had to force
[17:08] <rgreening> how about your bash history :)
[17:09] <Daskreech> Mamarok: bash history
[17:09] <rgreening> up arrow :)
[17:09] <Daskreech> dang it!
[17:09] <rgreening> lol
[17:09]  * Daskreech one ups rgreening
[17:09] <Daskreech> ^R -> force
[17:09] <Daskreech> :-D
[17:09] <rgreening> lol
[17:10] <Mamarok> Daskreech: I don't think my histry is long enough...
[17:10] <Mamarok> +o
[17:10] <Mamarok> but let's see...
[17:11] <rgreening> JontheEchidna: I'm going to bp kdeartowrk and kdeedu for Jaunty.
[17:11] <rgreening> assuming no issues....
[17:11] <Daskreech> Mamarok: it should 500 by default
[17:11] <Daskreech> that's roughly a day of very heavy Command line usage
[17:11] <Daskreech> a few months for most KDE users
[17:11] <rgreening> or a couple of hours for me
[17:11] <rgreening> :)
[17:12] <Daskreech> rgreening: You need more efficient commands :)
[17:12] <Mamarok> ok, let's give it a try...
[17:12] <rgreening> I need nore worker bees
[17:12] <Daskreech> alias scripts and &&
[17:17] <Mamarok> bingo, got it:
[17:17] <Mamarok> rgreening: http://pastebin.com/m776e47f7
[17:17] <Mamarok> edited a little, so you don't see the many manpages I opened several times...
[17:18] <rgreening> Mamarok: having the conflicted files from the .deb would be useful...
[17:19] <rgreening> otherwise, I don't know what to fix :)
[17:19] <Mamarok> rgreening: and how would I know what conflicted? Is that output logged somewhere?
[17:20]  * Mamarok really needs to dive in a Linux book more often
[17:20] <rgreening> oh crap, right, it would have been in your terminal, and no, prob not logged...
[17:21] <Mamarok> logging a terminl might sometimes (but only sometimes) be usefull...
[17:21] <Tm_T> hi killbillkill
[17:21] <ScottK> rgreening: I just did a test upgrade Jaunty -> Karmic in a chroot.  These are the errors: http://paste.ubuntu.com:80/176508/
[17:21] <Mamarok> rgreening: get a spare PC and try it yourself, you will get output galore
[17:21] <rgreening> Mamarok: actually, it should be in /var/log/apt/term.log
[17:22] <Mamarok> ok, let's have a look there then
[17:22] <ScottK> rgreening: AFAIK the PPA and Karmic packages are in sync, so the same changes would be needed.
[17:23] <Daskreech> Does PtrScrn Still not atach to ksnapshot ?
[17:23] <Daskreech> PrtScrn
[17:24] <rgreening> ScottK: ok, once I get kdeartwork, kdeedu built I can take a look at these.
[17:24] <ScottK> Daskreech: It does for me with KDE 4.2.2
[17:24] <Daskreech> hrm
[17:24] <Daskreech> ok Won't put that on the list
[17:25] <Daskreech> Sooo other than KDE4 icons on OO.o there are no issues with Kubuntu ?
[17:25] <Daskreech> \o/
[17:25] <rgreening> ksnapshot is not bound to print screen for me
[17:25] <rgreening> dunno why.
[17:26] <Daskreech> Is it bound for anyone else?
[17:27] <ScottK> Daskreech: Don't forget the stinking fetid piles that are KPackageKit and Plasma Widget NM (it's already a lot better in svn).
[17:29] <Daskreech> I think that those are not quite details
[17:29] <Daskreech> those are work
[17:29] <Mamarok> rgreening: here you go: http://pastebin.com/m455ca91f
[17:29] <Daskreech> UNless I'm wrong :)
[17:29]  * Daskreech dogpiles on JontheEchidna
[17:29] <ScottK> Right, but you could break them out into several details.
[17:29]  * Tm_T is getting KDE trunk built in Intrepid
[17:29] <Daskreech> ScottK: Indeed. What ones are on your list?
[17:30] <ScottK> Most of my bitches are lower down in the stack.
[17:30] <ScottK> Like more reliable 4965 wireless and no more kernel panics.
[17:30] <ScottK> AFAIK most of the stuff that was bothering me is being addressed in 4.3.
[17:31] <Daskreech> Most?
[17:31] <Daskreech> What isn't?
[17:31] <ScottK> Dunno.
[17:31] <ScottK> If I knew of something i'd say.
[17:31] <ScottK> I'm in favor of fewer plasma crashes.
[17:32] <Daskreech> That's more a community thing I think
[17:32] <Tm_T> ScottK: glad it doesn't crash here (:)
[17:32] <rgreening> JontheEchidna: for bp of kdeartwork and kdeedu, what changes should I revert from karmic?
[17:32] <Daskreech> need feedback for that which of course won't come before 9.10 or whatever is released
[17:32] <JontheEchidna> rgreening: pkg-kde-tools needs bumped down
[17:33] <JontheEchidna> if changed, cmake should be 2.6.2 instead of 2.6.3
[17:33] <rgreening> and the phonon patch (if present)
[17:33] <rgreening> that the only 2?
[17:33] <JontheEchidna> yeah, and remove the phonon patch
[17:33] <JontheEchidna> that should be all
[17:33] <rgreening> k.
[17:33] <JontheEchidna> but be careful since kdeartwork seems to build differently in the ppa than in the archive
[17:33] <rgreening> hrmph
[17:34]  * Daskreech pokes JontheEchidna
[17:34]  * JontheEchidna giggles
[17:34] <smarter> any idea why we don't have Air packaged in 4.3b1?
[17:34] <JontheEchidna> nobody took the time to make one?
[17:34] <ScottK> I thought it wasn't part of the beta
[17:34] <JontheEchidna> right
[17:34] <smarter> oh, ok
[17:35] <Daskreech> JontheEchidna: Any niggling issues you have with Kubuntu?
[17:36] <JontheEchidna> hmm
[17:37] <JontheEchidna> none that I can think of off the top of my head, I'm pretty satisfied
[17:37] <Daskreech> Serious?
[17:37] <JontheEchidna> my computer, on the other hand....
[17:37] <Daskreech> So not being able to log out properly isn't an issue? :)
[17:37] <JontheEchidna> well, not much we can do about that one....
[17:38] <Daskreech> It's being asked on a Canonical level
[17:38] <Daskreech> well more a global Ubuntu Brand level
[17:38] <JontheEchidna> unless nvidia opens their source any time soon, nothing they can do about it either
[17:39] <JontheEchidna> the thing about developers is that they tend to rationalize/work around their problems until they forget about them :P
[17:40] <Quintasan> JontheEchidna: apachelogger said I shouldn't depend on debhelper 7 for backportability, if I use pkg-kde-tools can I remove it?
[17:41] <JontheEchidna> debhelper 7 is fine, just not anything above 7.0.0
[17:41] <JontheEchidna> 7.0.17
[17:41] <ScottK> 7 goes all the way back to Hardy for backports
[17:41] <JontheEchidna> using debian-qt-kde.mk from pkg-kde-tools should be fine too, as it points to kde4.mk in jaunty
[17:42] <Quintasan> ok, I have debhelper (>= 7) in build-depends
[17:47] <rgreening> JontheEchidna: kdetoys missing in jaunty too :)
[17:47] <JontheEchidna> who cares about kdetoys? :P
[17:47] <rgreening> Muhahahahah
[17:48] <lex79> LoL
[17:48] <rgreening> JontheEchidna: kdeartwork local building... next, kdeedu then kdetoys
[17:49] <rgreening> JontheEchidna: I don't suppose anyone has an idea on how to get kdebindings to work/build
[17:49] <JontheEchidna> nope
[17:52]  * Quintasan notes that pykdeuic4.py still has no chmod +x
[17:55] <Quintasan> http://pastebin.com/f6e1eb3f0 <-- will this make a good description?
[17:59] <lex79> I think you can remove KDE from "KDE plasma widget for running games"
[18:07] <rgreening> who's the kdeedu guru? smarter?
[18:08]  * smarter doesn't think he is :]
[18:08] <smarter> rgreening: what's your problem?
[18:08] <ScottK> rgreening: You need to disable the python-marble stuff.
[18:08] <rgreening> JontheEchidna: ^ kdeedu in karmic had build dep: libeigen2-dev (>= 2.0.0+svn20090515) but only 2.0.0 is in jaunty. not sure if it's actually required to have svn ver.
[18:08] <ScottK> Is current borken
[18:08] <rgreening> smarter: ^
[18:09] <rgreening> ScottK: ?
[18:10] <ScottK> rgreening: Python-marble
[18:10] <Quintasan> lol, my upload to REVU was rejected because "Signer has no upload rights at all to this distribution."
[18:10] <rgreening> ScottK: its commented out already from karmic
[18:10] <ScottK> Quintasan: You didn't upload to REVU, you uploaded to Ubuntu.
[18:11] <rgreening> smarter: any ideas?
[18:11] <Quintasan> wait, I did?
[18:11] <Quintasan> -_-'
[18:11] <ScottK> Almost certainly
[18:11] <ScottK> Look in your scrollback
[18:11] <Quintasan> yup, I did it -_-'
[18:14]  * smarter doubts that kdeedu use some latest bleeding features from eigen
[18:14] <smarter> *uses
[18:14] <smarter> if that deps come from the Debian package, I guess you should ask the Debian guy who did it :)
[18:15] <smarter> rgreening: [19:10:05] -*- smarter doubts that kdeedu use some latest bleeding features from eigen
[18:15] <smarter> rgreening: does that dep version come from Debian?
[18:15] <smarter> *comes
[18:18] <Daskreech> So two issues?
[18:19] <rgreening> smarter: yeah, I believe so
[18:19] <smarter> rgreening: then ask the Debian guy why he decided to bump the dep :p
[18:20] <rgreening> I think thats the package they have in debian...
[18:20] <Quintasan> http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/p/plasma-widget-pgame <-- anyone?
[18:20] <Daskreech> NO Kde4 integration for OO.o
[18:20] <Daskreech> Media player codec installation dialogs should be more explicit
[18:21] <smarter> rgreening: http://packages.debian.org/source/sid/kdeedu actually, the debian package doesn't even depend on eigen
[18:22] <ScottK> Daskreech: Are you saying we don't have it or we don't get it?
[18:22] <rgreening> smarter: right, Riddell must have added it for karmic and thats the package in karmic
[18:22] <rgreening> so, maybe can use 2.0.0
[18:22] <smarter> jaunty/kdeedu depends on eigen
[18:22] <Daskreech> ScottK: Hmm? what's the difference ?
[18:22] <rgreening> smarter: 4.3 does
[18:23] <rgreening> not 4.2
[18:23] <smarter> http://packages.ubuntu.com/source/jaunty/kdeedu
[18:23] <ScottK> Daskreech: We know we don't have it, I thought you might have gotten some response to your adds to the wiki page.
[18:23] <smarter> but it deps on libeigen-dev, which is the deprecated eigen 1.0
[18:24] <smarter> weird
[18:24] <rgreening> smarter: from what I read, 4.2 didn't need it. 4.3 does and needs 2.0.0
[18:24] <Daskreech> ScottK: oh yes I'm saying I don't have much to add to the wiki
[18:24] <Daskreech> which seems a break from reality
[18:24] <ScottK> OK
[18:24] <smarter> rgreening: that seems reasonable, I doubt they would rely on the features of an unreleased
[18:24] <smarter> so, go for it :)
[18:24] <ScottK> Daskreech: Maybe ask in #kubuntu you'll get more input
[18:24] <rgreening> smarter: will try it :)
[18:25] <Daskreech> ScottK: Ha good point
[18:25] <Daskreech> ScottK: I'd get more if I ask in #ubuntu I'll bet
[18:26] <ScottK> #ubuntu == not our problem here.
[18:27] <Daskreech> also = people who have fundamental issues with KDE. Should be able to find at least something there that can be worked on
[18:27] <ScottK> Probably not minor though
[18:28] <Daskreech> Hence the I should be able to find something. I think that a lot of people will use Ubuntu just because of the polish So if we can find out what's important to them we can address it
[18:30] <ScottK> Good point.
[18:30] <ScottK> Daskreech: you might also look at the 'catching up with Ubuntu' spec and see if there's anything there that might qualify as minor.
[18:32] <Daskreech> link?
[18:34]  * ScottK looks
[18:35] <ScottK> Daskreech: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/UbuntuFeatureParity
[18:40] <rgreening> smarter: * Eigen2 (2.0.51 or higher)  <http://eigen.tuxfamily.org>
[18:40] <rgreening>      A generic C++ template library for dense and sparse matrices
[18:40] <rgreening>      Required to build Step.
[18:40] <rgreening> hrmm...
[18:42] <ScottK> Up through Eigen 2.1 it's developed inside KDE as an internal lib, so requiring so specific rev for a beta isn't stunning....
[18:45] <rgreening> ScottK: so, I assume backport eigen from karmic to jaunty and put in the PPA is warranted
[18:45] <rgreening> ...more work...
[18:45] <ScottK> I've no idea.  It wouldn't suprise me though.
[18:46] <rgreening> well, kdeartwork and kdetoys are backported to jaunty (were missing). now, eigen
[19:08] <rgreening> ScottK: thats strange. twice now, while CTRL+C during a pbuilder, my system hard locked.
[19:08] <ScottK> Odd
[19:10] <rgreening> ScottK: and absolutely nothing in the logs
[19:10] <rgreening> no kernel panic or oops or anything
[19:10]  * yuriy is trying to get back into things
[19:11] <ScottK> yuriy: We'll see you at UDS?
[19:11] <yuriy> yep!
[19:12]  * rgreening wonders how a CTRL+C in a virt env can kill a runing system?
[19:17] <ScottK> iz bug
[19:17] <JontheEchidna> lex79: oh, I was working on konversation...
[19:17] <JontheEchidna> was just about to post it in a bug, in fact
[19:18] <lex79>  I upload to LP now
[19:18] <lex79> :)
[19:19] <lex79> JontheEchidna: http://paste.ubuntu.com/176588/
[19:20] <Mamarok> in 4.2.85 something is wrong with the mount option, when I plug in something it gets recognized, but it never gets actually mounted, regardless the action, regardless the device (USB, SD, whatever)
[19:23] <ScottK> rgreening: One piece of good news is that my test upgrade with just kubuntu-desktop installed pulled nothing from Universe, so no MIR immediately needed.
[19:23] <JontheEchidna> lex79: the dbug patch applies now
[19:24] <lex79> ?
[19:24] <JontheEchidna> in konversation
[19:24] <JontheEchidna> the dbug patch applies
[19:24] <JontheEchidna> there isn't any reason to not apply it any more
[19:24] <lex79> I'm looking
[19:25] <Mamarok> it only allows me to mount devices in fstab :(
[19:25] <lex79> JontheEchidna: ok
[19:26] <JontheEchidna> whoa, they uploaded this to unstable? I thought they'd keep it in experimental for the time being
[19:27] <JontheEchidna> though the alpha is quite stable...
[19:27] <lex79> yeah...to unstable
[19:27] <JontheEchidna> ironic, sorta
[19:28] <JontheEchidna> that must be why I missed it this morning when I packaged alpha1
[19:29] <Mamarok> PTP mode doesn't work neither for the camera :( and this definitely worked before
[19:31] <JontheEchidna> lex79: also you should try to install README.scripts the way debian is doing, instead of the old way in konversation.install
[19:32] <lex79> try
[19:33] <JontheEchidna> you also should drop konversation.dirs since debian did
[19:33] <lex79> uhmmm Patch debian/dbug_autoreplace.diff does not apply
[19:33] <lex79> I have to refresh
[19:34] <lex79> ok I will drop
[19:34] <JontheEchidna> that's strange, it applies fine for me...
[19:35] <JontheEchidna> wait, you might have dropped it. Something's wrong with my diff
[19:36] <lex79> Applying patch debian/dbug_autoreplace.diff
[19:36] <lex79> patching file src/config/preferences.cpp
[19:36] <lex79> Hunk #1 FAILED at 127.
[19:38] <lex79> in my debian/ there isn't  konversation.dirs
[19:38] <JontheEchidna> oh
[19:38] <JontheEchidna> you forgot to copy over the new patch from debian
[19:38] <JontheEchidna> and the new README.source and debian/copyright
[19:38] <JontheEchidna> and the new .xpms
[19:39] <lex79> uhm I did a beutiful merge hihihi
[19:41] <JontheEchidna> So, do you wanna fix it or should I upload mine?
[19:41] <JontheEchidna> your choice
[19:42] <JontheEchidna> you should probably do it since it would look weird if I uploaded packages to your bug....
[19:42] <JontheEchidna> :P
[19:43] <lex79> JontheEchidna: you can :)
[19:45] <rgreening> eigen2 uploaded to PPA for kdeedu...
[19:45] <JontheEchidna> brb
[19:45] <lex79> brb? :)
[19:46] <JontheEchidna> be right back
[19:46] <JontheEchidna> though I wasn't gone for as long as I thought I would, lol
[19:47] <lex79> ahahha
[19:48] <JontheEchidna> lex79: so that paste was bugs you needed sponsored?
[19:48] <lex79> JontheEchidna: yesssss
[19:49] <astromme> Do any of you here maintain a kde trunk install on 9.04? Any suggestions on the best way to do it?
[19:49] <lex79> also this https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kde-style-qtcurve/+bug/375786
[19:49] <JontheEchidna> that's in main, I can't sponsor that
[19:49] <astromme> kdesvn-build? Neon? manual builds?
[19:49] <astromme> and where are things installed for you? /usr/local? $HOME/somewhere? /local/install?
[19:50] <lex79> JontheEchidna: I know, go to become core-dev :P
[19:50] <JontheEchidna> lex79: ha, you should go become an MOTU :P
[19:51] <lex79> uhmmm.. I have my personal sponsor for now :P
[19:52] <ScottK> astromme: Just use Neon.
[19:53] <astromme> Hmm
[19:53] <astromme> ScottK: but I'm working on code from within kdeplasma-addons. Won't that conflict with neon?
[19:53] <rgreening> ScottK: can you check something?
[19:54] <lex79> ScottK: sponsor kde-style-qtcurve :P
[19:54] <rgreening> run kpackagekit and see if under Settings you can successfully Edit Software Sources.
[19:54] <ScottK> astromme: dunno
[19:54] <ScottK> rgreening: OK
[19:55] <rgreening> ScottK: I'm not sure when this broke.
[19:55] <rgreening> but for me it doesnt run. greys out the app and fails.
[19:56] <rgreening> fails to load software-properties-kde I mean.
[19:56] <ScottK> It runs for me, but as soon as I click on something i want changed, meet Dr. Konqi.
[19:56] <rgreening> ScottK: you still on kde 4.2.2
[19:57] <ScottK> Yes
[19:57] <ScottK> It looks like it did make the change before crashing though
[19:57] <rgreening> can you run kdesudo spftware-properties-kde and try changing there...
[19:57] <ScottK> So yes, I can edit sources.  The exit is just a bit unconventional.
[19:58] <rgreening> ok.... hmm... wonder why broken for me with KDE 4.2.85
[19:58] <rgreening> I bet the patch is mucked up.
[20:00] <ScottK> rgreening: http://paste.ubuntu.com:80/176619/
[20:00] <rgreening> hmm... I can run it from cmdline fine.
[20:00] <rgreening> under 4.2.85
[20:01] <JontheEchidna> ScottK: your crasher is bug  102792 I believe
[20:06] <rgreening> ScottK: no /usr/lib/kde4/libexec/kdesu under KDE 4.2.85 is why KpackageKit fails to run software-properties-kde
[20:06] <ScottK> Oops.
[20:07] <rgreening> ScottK: what package provides that?
[20:07] <JontheEchidna> kdebase-runtime, though kdesudo also provides a symlink to that location
[20:08] <ScottK> Yep
[20:08] <rgreening> so runtime is now not providing a critical app
[20:08] <rgreening> our flash installer patch expects kdesu as well
[20:08] <rgreening> from kdelibs
[20:08] <ScottK> Quit grumbling and give me something to upload.
[20:09] <rgreening> my plate is currently full... can anyone else look at the kdesu?
[20:10] <JontheEchidna> rgreening: /usr/lib/kde4/libexec/kdesu works fine here in jaunty
[20:10] <rgreening> JontheEchidna: are you running 4.2.85?
[20:10] <JontheEchidna> very yes
[20:10] <rgreening> wtf
[20:10] <rgreening> 1 sec....
[20:11] <JontheEchidna> lex79: looking at yakuake now
[20:12] <lex79> ok
[20:12] <rgreening> JontheEchidna: I have 4:4.2.85-0ubuntu1~jaunty1~ppa7 installed, and the deb says it contains kdesu but it's not there...
[20:12] <JontheEchidna> wtf
[20:12] <rgreening> yeah
[20:12] <rgreening> Im going to re-install the deb
[20:13]  * ScottK blames ext4
[20:14] <rgreening> ScottK: you could be right, but wouldn't I have to 1) be accessing the app 2) have it crash when accessing it and 3) have opened it in such a way as to lock for rw?
[20:14] <ScottK> rgreening: Dunno.  I wasn't really being serious.
[20:15] <rgreening> heh.
[20:15] <rgreening> JontheEchidna: re-installing the deb doesn't work
[20:15] <JontheEchidna> O.o
[20:15] <ScottK> But I think it's 'forward leaning' to be running ext4 now.
[20:15] <ScottK> rgreening: Try purge && reinstall
[20:17] <rgreening> ScottK: whats this mean: /usr/lib/kde4/libexec/kdesu
[20:17] <rgreening> diverted by kdesudo to: /usr/lib/kde4/libexec/kdesu.distrib
[20:18] <ScottK> It means kdesudo did a diversion, it didn't make a symlink.
[20:18] <ScottK> That, I don't think is good in this case.
[20:19] <rgreening> exactly!
[20:19] <rgreening> so, what do we do? we need the symlink or fix a bunch of patches
[20:20] <rgreening> there are 3 that I know of for sure.. 2 in kde4libs and one in kpk. prob others
[20:20] <rgreening> ScottK, JontheEchidna^^
[20:20] <rgreening> JontheEchidna: do you have kdesudo installed?
[20:20] <JontheEchidna> yes
[20:20] <rgreening> hmm...
[20:21] <ScottK> rgreening: What version of kdesudo do you have?
[20:21] <JontheEchidna> actually, the diversion has been causing file overwrite problems between kdebase-runtime and kdesudo
[20:21] <rgreening> I though kdesudo was going away
[20:22] <rgreening> well this breaks 3 critical things so far...
[20:22] <JontheEchidna> once everything uses policykit I suppose
[20:23] <rgreening> and monkeys may fly [...]
[20:23] <rgreening> kdeedu uploaded
[20:24] <rgreening> I think that's the last backport required besides kdebindings which never got built at all in karmic.
[20:26] <rgreening> ScottK: kdesudo 3.4.1-0ubuntu1
[20:28] <ScottK> Odd.
[20:28] <ScottK> I've got the symlink.
[20:29] <rgreening> ScottK: maybe I'll re-install kdesudo...
[20:30] <rgreening> kdesudo re-installed the symlink
[20:31] <rgreening> so one deletes it the other activates it
[20:31] <rgreening> ScottK: can you see if you can figure it out? I have to jet for a couple of hours ($wife beckons)
[20:31] <rgreening> actally demands...
[20:52] <Mamarok> oh my, had to actually add my device manually to /etc/fstab
[20:53] <Mamarok> no way to mount it without that
[21:14] <smarter> Mamarok: feels like the 90's again? :p
[21:15] <Mamarok> smarter: worse, there's the uuid to insert...
[21:15] <smarter> eeew
[21:17] <Mamarok> exactly the reaction I had
[21:17] <Mamarok> let's hope this gets sorted out, mount worked out of the box in Jaunty ti  2.2.3
[21:17] <Mamarok> till*
[21:26] <JontheEchidna> lex79: btw, kmplayer could be merged from debian
[21:50] <ScottK> Is anyone else lacking the 'safely unmount' action for USB sticks/SD cards with 4.2?
[21:50] <vorian> I just unmounted a usb stick
[21:51] <ScottK> With the U/I or by hand?
[21:51] <vorian> with the u/i
[21:51] <ScottK> OK.  Just me then.
[21:52] <Riddell> I always had that
[21:53]  * ScottK waves to Riddell
[21:54] <vorian> has someone looked at this"
[21:54] <vorian> meh
[21:55] <vorian> trying to overwrite `/usr/share/kde4/apps/kstyle/themes/oxygen.themrc', which is also in package kde-icons-oxygen
[21:56] <ScottK> IIRC that was on the list I pastebin'ed earlier.
[21:57] <vorian> that should be a quick fix
[21:57] <ScottK> There's a list
[21:57] <vorian> oh noes
[21:58] <ScottK> vorian: If you can figure out http://paste.ubuntu.com:80/176508/, I can sponsor.
[21:58] <vorian> ok
[21:58] <ScottK> Thanks
[22:00] <vorian> well hell
[22:01] <vorian> i upgraded before I set up my dev-shell
[22:02] <vorian> how can I force my way through if -f doesn't work :P
[22:04] <vorian> it may be a while
[22:06] <smarter> vorian: dpkg --force-overwrite?
[22:28] <JontheEchidna> is eigen2 in main in karmic now?
[22:29] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: It is
[22:29] <ScottK> eigen2 | 2.0.0+svn20090515-0ubuntu1 |        karmic | source
[22:29] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: rmadison eigen2 ftw
[22:29] <JontheEchidna> great, we should watch out for eigen2 in the cmake log of the KDE packages next time then
[22:30] <JontheEchidna> I think kdeartwork and kdeplasma-addons can both use them, but aren't currently
[22:30] <JontheEchidna> in fact, as long as we're uploading another kdeplasma-addons in the near future (the desc change) maybe we should do that then
[22:30]  * JontheEchidna puts it on the todo
[22:35]  * ScottK notes he's got the buildd's for hppa and armel totally blocked atm.
[22:44] <lex79> JontheEchidna: ok for kmplayer merge
[23:24]  * Mamarok needs some sleep now
[23:59] <lex79> JontheEchidna: Do we keep kmplayer, kmplayer-base, kmplayer-konq-plugin? debian has merged kmplayer-common and kmplayer-plugin in kmplayer binary