[00:55] <durt> hey folks, If I start testing karma, will jaunty packages (universe et al) work?
[00:55] <durt> sry karmic
[00:58] <Tekno> not recommended
[00:59] <durt> my understanding is that there are no universe till later, is this correct?
[01:00] <Roasted> Anybody running 9.10 in a VM? I can't boot the ISO in Virtualbox without it erroring out at the initramfs command screen, or whatever..
[01:02] <arand> Roasted: you could always go the upgrade route.
[01:02] <maxb> Nope. Running 9.10 on real hardware, though
[01:02] <Roasted> arand - I wasn't aware I could upgrade distros to a beta version.
[01:03] <arand> Roasted: "update-manager -d" should work by now, I think...
[01:04] <arand> Roasted: I went the upgrade route, but that was before even the update manger thing worked (just changed my sources list)
[01:04] <charlie-tca> Roasted: is that the desktop cd iso?
[01:04] <charlie-tca> The alternate works good for me
[01:05] <durt> arand: will that keep the jaunty packages that aren't built for karmic, or is my understanding of this way off?
[01:05] <Roasted> it's the i386 iso from daily build
[01:05] <Roasted> 32 bit
[01:05] <Roasted> I tried throwing it in a VM with Virtualbox and it just crapped out.
[01:05] <arand> durt: I think so...
[01:05] <thiebaude> hi arand
[01:05] <arand> thiebaude: helloo:)
[01:05] <charlie-tca> there is a desktop iso and an alternate iso.
[01:06] <Roasted> like I can hit the main screen and when I select boot to liveCD or install ubuntu, I get (initramfs)
[01:06] <arand> thiebaude: btw, I was formerly "ienorand"
[01:06] <Roasted> I'll try the alternate a while. I was hoping the iso would work
[01:06] <thiebaude> i didn't even know that,lol
[01:06] <thiebaude> no wonder i was looking for you earlier
[01:07] <arand> yea, I changed recently...
[01:07] <charlie-tca> The live cd is not any good yet. There is still a problem with aufs
[01:07] <thiebaude> i'll bbl going to watch Idol
[01:07] <Roasted> ahhhh okay
[01:07] <Roasted> thanks for that tid bit charlie-tca
[01:07] <arand> There really doesn't seem to be any good way to tell ppl about nick changes on irc...
[01:07] <Roasted> alternate CD installing now
[01:07] <charlie-tca> no problem
[01:07] <Roasted> err, downloading
[01:08] <arand> Roasted: That would've been a blazing connection otherwise
[01:08] <Roasted> arand - one could only hope, right?
[01:08] <Roasted> but naw, I have comcast, and I live in an area where everybody is about 110 and watches TV all day. My speeds now are kinda poor.
[01:10] <arand> ouch, at least I get good speeds ~1mb/s, on the other hand, everything from irc to gaming ports are blocked at uni here
[01:12] <Roasted> aight, I'm out fellas. Thanks again.
[01:15] <arand>  /sbin/ldconfig.real: libraries libpng.so and libpng12.so.0.15.0 in directory /usr/lib have same soname but different type. << I get this message whe I run apt, any ideas what could be the cause?
[03:02] <DanielRM> Anyone finding that yelp segfaults on startup?
[06:00] <fljohn> good morning afternoon
[12:02] <Le-Chuck_ITA> Hi there, AFAYK if I install only the kernel from jaunty, will the radeon driver work or should I also upgrade the entire xorg?
[14:12] <BluesKaj> Howdy all
[14:39] <BUGabundo> !ping
[14:39] <BUGabundo> ok i'm alive... still
[14:42] <BluesKaj> what's happening ?
[14:44] <hggdh> BUGabundo, hi
[14:44] <BUGabundo> BluesKaj: hggdh hey guys
[14:45] <BUGabundo> BluesKaj: nothing special... just checking in... calm day at work
[14:45] <BUGabundo> trying to group my personal nick and my work nick, but FAILed
[14:45] <BUGabundo> seems i cant group already registered nicks :\
[14:46] <hggdh> BUGabundo, I am now a member :-D
[14:47] <BluesKaj> yeah, BUGabundo I haven't bothered registering and cloaking my laptop nick ..too lazy
[14:48] <BUGabundo> hggdh: congrats! FINALLY
[14:49] <hggdh> yes!
[14:49] <BUGabundo> took u long
[14:49] <BUGabundo> any trouble?
[14:49] <BUGabundo> or all your triage skills helped?
[14:50] <hggdh> took me longer to decide to do it ;-). And no, no issues -- was pretty much a walk in the park
[14:50] <hggdh> yes they did
[14:50] <hggdh> and the testimonials also
[14:50] <hggdh> (thanks, BTW)
[14:50] <BUGabundo> i think u have one of me, right?
[14:50] <hggdh> yes
[14:51] <BUGabundo> next step: MOTU?
[14:51] <hggdh> :-)
[14:51] <BUGabundo> funny how u got into bug squad before Member
[14:51] <BUGabundo> eheh
[14:51] <hggdh> yes, but this will take a bit longer...
[14:51] <BUGabundo> u are in no hurray
[14:51] <BUGabundo> eheh
[14:51] <hggdh> anyone can be -control, as long as they show experience on bug handling
[14:51] <BUGabundo> anyone can be a Member
[14:51] <BUGabundo> LOL
[14:52] <BluesKaj> what's required to become a member? Someone was bugging me to , but I don't think I have the skills.
[14:53] <BUGabundo> BluesKaj: doing a great job to and for the Community
[14:53] <BUGabundo> advocating, helping, etc
[14:53] <BluesKaj> sounds arbitrary :)
[14:53] <BUGabundo> i do bug filling, advocating, promotion, user support, so on so on
[14:53] <BUGabundo> BluesKaj: check my LP profile and my wiki
[14:54] <BUGabundo> then tell me its _arbitary_
[14:55] <BluesKaj> I said it "sounds" arbitrary :)
[14:55] <hggdh> BluesKaj, in fact it is not -- a member has to show commitment
[14:55] <BUGabundo> hggdh: and pass Membership meeting.... not always easy
[14:57] <hggdh> well, yes, there is that. But it is similar to passing muster to bugs-control
[14:57] <BluesKaj> guess I'm commited , but prolly not to the degree required , altho I'm on one of the kubuntu chat's almost every day, helping out.
[14:58] <BUGabundo> great BluesKaj
[14:58] <BUGabundo> if u have the guts to handle a denial, you could apply
[14:59] <BUGabundo> u never ~know
[14:59] <hggdh> there was a recent blog from seveas that talks about membership -- I will find it
[14:59] <BUGabundo> with the +1 of some of kubuntu ninjas, it should be easier
[14:59]  * ikonia points to the topic
[14:59] <BUGabundo> hggdh: WHAT? one link u dont have on hand?
[14:59]  * Pici was about to do the same ^^ topic
[14:59] <BUGabundo> guys lets move this to anotjher place
[14:59] <ikonia> thanks
[15:00] <Pici> Don't forget that #ubuntu-offtopic exists, and you're all free to join
[15:00]  * BUGabundo some one should mantain this # active... silence is death
[15:00]  * hggdh begs pardon
[15:00] <ikonia> BUGabundo: no it's not
[15:00] <Pici> BUGabundo: It shouldnt be active if its not Karmic related
[15:00] <BluesKaj> yeah, I know about being denied, handled a few lost promotions over the yrs :)
[15:00] <BUGabundo> BluesKaj: hggdh #ubuntu-pt
[15:01] <BUGabundo> BluesKaj: ping
[15:26] <BluesKaj> BBL
[16:00] <blueyed> ALSA broken for anyone else? (this falls back to all-non-KDE apps then, since pulseaudio appears to use ALSA). Is there a workaround?
[16:01] <rski> sounds works everywhere except in youtube for me
[16:01] <BluesKaj> blueyed, what model soundcard  ?
[16:01] <BUGabundo> blueyed: KDE does not use PA
[16:02] <blueyed> rski: youtube or flash?
[16:02] <rski> flashmovies found on youtube
[16:02] <blueyed> BluesKaj: some old SB16 (snd_emu10k1)
[16:02] <blueyed> rski: but others work?
[16:03] <rski> yes
[16:03] <blueyed> BUGabundo: I know.. which is actually really nice currently.
[16:03] <rski> for example google video
[16:03] <rski> youporn etc
[16:03] <rski> :)
[16:03] <blueyed> rski: odd.. :)
[16:03] <BUGabundo> couch couch
[16:04] <rski> indeed
[16:04] <BluesKaj> BUGabundo, wonders why pulseaudio is listed as 3rd preference in audio output devices
[16:04] <BluesKaj> er I wonder why
[16:04] <rski> so i have to use youtube-dl to watch them in mplayer all the time
[16:05] <blueyed> odd. now it works again, after restating pulseaudio..! previously it would complain about "snd_pcm_avail() returned a value that is exceptionally large" during startup.
[16:06] <BUGabundo> ahhh pulseaudio -k
[16:06] <BUGabundo> thats lovelly magic words
[16:07] <BUGabundo> blueyed: do u have both gnome and kde WM?
[16:07] <blueyed> BUGabundo: yes. only using KDE though.
[16:07] <BUGabundo> doesnt matter
[16:08] <BUGabundo> installing the other will get u both packages
[16:08] <BUGabundo> in this case PA
[16:08] <blueyed> yes. bad thing? would e.g. firefox/flash not use PA if I hadn't it installed? (guess so..)
[16:09] <BUGabundo> not bad thing. Should work (TM)
[16:09] <blueyed> well, after all, I could purge pulseaudio.. will try that the next time it causes problems.
[16:09] <BUGabundo> no idea what flash does
[16:09] <BUGabundo> its Closed Source
[16:10] <blueyed> if Kubuntu does not install PA, it should work without probably.,
[16:10] <BUGabundo> AFAIK kiling and re-spwaing PA, doesnt work very well for FLASH
[16:17] <BluesKaj> locate pulseaudio : /usr/lib/xine/plugins/1.26/xineplug_ao_out_pulseaudio.so
[16:18] <BluesKaj> I don't have gnome installed , so where did that come from , obviously a plugin for xine
[16:20] <Pici> BluesKaj: Its in the libxine1-misc-plugins package.
[16:20] <Pici> see: apt-file search /usr/lib/xine/plugins/1.26/xineplug_ao_out_pulseaudio.so
[16:21] <BluesKaj> yup
[18:43] <FLjohn> ok
[18:43] <FLjohn> can not get into buzzen chat
[18:45] <Pici> Eh?
[18:45] <Pici> okay then
[19:52] <RichardWolfVI> hey
[19:53] <RichardWolfVI> it seems I messed up my packages
[19:53] <RichardWolfVI> I guess I have to reinstall all ubuntu-desktop
[19:53] <RichardWolfVI> main problem, mi coonection doesn't work
[19:54] <RichardWolfVI> I'm using my old Intrepid Live CD in order to download the Alpha 1 iso
[19:55] <RichardWolfVI> Can you give me instructions on mounting the ISO and using apt-cdrom to repair my packages?
[19:58] <maxb> RichardWolfVI: You'll need to be a lot more specific about the nature of your breakage if anyone is going to be able to help.
[19:59] <BluesKaj> RichardWolfVI, alt+f2 kdesudo kate /etc/apt/sources.list , and take out the # thats' in front of the deb cdrom ...source , save and then in the terminal do : sudo apt-get update
[20:00] <RichardWolfVI> maxb: I noticed a lot of packages in the local/obsolete section
[20:00] <RichardWolfVI> I removed them
[20:00] <RichardWolfVI> Now I know I shouldn't
[20:00] <RichardWolfVI> BluesKaj: I'm not using KDE
[20:00] <RichardWolfVI> GDNM is gone
[20:00] <RichardWolfVI> *GDM
[20:01] <RichardWolfVI> I can't even have a graphical session
[20:02] <maxb> RichardWolfVI: You are getting the alternate iso, not the desktop one, right?
[20:04] <RichardWolfVI> maxb: Well, it's the only one I see from the site
[20:04] <maxb> What is the filename you are downloading, then?
[20:04] <RichardWolfVI> apart from server
[20:04] <RichardWolfVI> kermic-alternative-i386.iso
[20:05] <maxb> good
[20:05] <acicula> cant get a prompt in rescue mode either?
[20:05] <RichardWolfVI> acicula: yes, I can
[20:05] <maxb> loopmount it, add a source to sources.list using a file: URL, and apt-get update
[20:06] <acicula> then why mess around with a cd?
[20:06] <RichardWolfVI> well, I need more precise instructions for it
[20:06] <RichardWolfVI> hmm, I'm on a LiveCD right now
[20:06] <RichardWolfVI> acicula: Network. Dead.
[20:06] <acicula> wireless?
[20:07] <RichardWolfVI> acicula: yes
[20:07] <acicula> ah yeah that's a pain, dunno if you can work networkmanager via a cli
[20:07] <RichardWolfVI> is a desktop computer, so I'm not moving it
[20:09] <RichardWolfVI> is there a way to burn the iso easily?
[20:09] <RichardWolfVI> from commandline, I mean
[20:09] <spaceBARbarian> is there anything new over jaunty in the dail builds ?
[20:09] <acicula> some updated software
[20:10] <RichardWolfVI> Gnome 2.27 and Kernel 2.6.30
[20:10] <RichardWolfVI> mainly
[20:10] <RichardWolfVI> Oh, and the intel driver
[20:10] <RichardWolfVI> 2.7
[20:10] <acicula> appearantly that's been backported to jaunty as well
[20:10] <maxb> RichardWolfVI: why would you burn the iso?
[20:11] <RichardWolfVI>  maxb: I though on using apt-cdrom
[20:11] <spaceBARbarian> k thks
[20:11] <maxb> That shouldn't be necessary.
[20:12] <RichardWolfVI> well
[20:12] <RichardWolfVI> I guess I'm saving the iso to the thumbdrive
[20:12] <RichardWolfVI> or is there a way to save it directly to the HDD?
[20:12] <maxb> You can mount an iso as a directory
[20:13] <RichardWolfVI> yeah, but I'm not command savvy
[20:13] <RichardWolfVI> mount image.iso /directory -o loop, right?
[20:13] <maxb> indeed
[20:14] <RichardWolfVI> then I add to /etc/sources.lst the line file://directory
[20:14] <RichardWolfVI> right?
[20:15] <maxb> yes
[20:15] <RichardWolfVI> nothing else?
[20:15] <maxb> why, what did you expect? :-)
[20:15] <RichardWolfVI> well, if these are the exact commands
[20:46] <RichardWolfVI> Which directories in the Ubuntu filesystem are not restricted?
[20:47] <hggdh> RichardWolfVI, what do you mean by "are not restricted"?
[20:48] <RichardWolfVI> hggdh: I'm downloading a file from a LiveCD
[20:48] <hggdh> and?
[20:48] <RichardWolfVI> i need to copy that File to my Hard Drive
[20:48] <RichardWolfVI> which has ubuntu
[20:48] <hggdh> ah, OK. /tmp is always a good place
[20:50] <RichardWolfVI> hggdh: It won't be gone at restart?
[20:51] <hggdh> well, yes. Then you should use your own home directory, for example
[20:52] <RichardWolfVI> hggdh: I mean, I'm on LiveCD right now
[20:52] <RichardWolfVI> I need to copy a ISO file to my hard drive
[20:52] <RichardWolfVI> so I can get to start Karmic from there and mount that ISO
[20:52] <hggdh> then you first of all need to find out if your HD is already mounted, and then find a directory there where you can copy the files in (or create one such)
[20:53] <RichardWolfVI> The drive is mounted
[20:53] <RichardWolfVI> I don't know which directory is free tio ude
[20:53] <RichardWolfVI> *use
[20:54] <RichardWolfVI> *to
[20:54] <RichardWolfVI> my /home/me directory in my HDD is not
[20:58] <hggdh> RichardWolfVI, run na 'ls -l' on your hard drive
[21:00] <RichardWolfVI> hggdh: I don't where it's locates
[21:00] <RichardWolfVI> *located
[21:00] <hggdh> RichardWolfVI, *probably* under /media, somewhere
[21:01] <RichardWolfVI> nope, it isn't
[21:01] <RichardWolfVI> nm, I found it
[21:01] <hggdh> also "mount" should show it, if it is mounted
[21:01] <RichardWolfVI> OK, what shoul I look for
[21:01] <RichardWolfVI> ?
[21:02] <RichardWolfVI> *should
[21:02] <setuid> Where is the place where I specify modules which must get unloaded at suspend/hibernation time, and reloaded when coming out of suspend/hibernation?
[21:03] <setuid> I have to make sure ath_pci and sierra get unloaded before I go down, and reloaded when I come back up
[21:06] <RichardWolfVI> hggdh: what should I look for in the output?
[21:06] <hggdh> RichardWolfVI, run a 'ls -l ' on your hard drive, and look for a directory with permissions compatible for your usage (something like 777, rwxrwxrxw)
[21:07] <RichardWolfVI> none
[21:08] <hggdh> OK. Try to create a file on your HD - for example, on a command line, run 'touch /<your HD mount point>/test
[21:11] <RichardWolfVI> hmm I'm using /var/tmp
[21:11] <hggdh> touch a file there, then run a 'ls -l' and see who owns the file
[21:12] <RichardWolfVI> got
[21:13] <RichardWolfVI> OK, I found aproper directory
[21:13] <hggdh> good, and good luck now ;-)
[21:35] <maxb> So, is all mdraid currently a bit broken in Karmic?
[21:35] <maxb> (bug 377395)
[21:35] <maxb> It sounds like it should apply to all mdraid, but if so I am surprised there aren't more people talking about it.
[21:37] <charlie-tca> Not that many outside of servers use it, maybe
[21:38] <charlie-tca> I doubt that many servers are going to test the development version
[21:41] <maxb> Huh. I use it for my homedir
[22:16] <yoasif> what package do i report against if my changing my brightness uses the old notifications?
[22:46] <BUGabundo> holla UDSistas