=== robin0800 is now known as robin0800_ === robin0800_ is now known as robin0800 === yml_ is now known as yml [00:55] hey folks, If I start testing karma, will jaunty packages (universe et al) work? [00:55] sry karmic [00:58] not recommended [00:59] my understanding is that there are no universe till later, is this correct? [01:00] Anybody running 9.10 in a VM? I can't boot the ISO in Virtualbox without it erroring out at the initramfs command screen, or whatever.. [01:02] Roasted: you could always go the upgrade route. [01:02] Nope. Running 9.10 on real hardware, though [01:02] arand - I wasn't aware I could upgrade distros to a beta version. [01:03] Roasted: "update-manager -d" should work by now, I think... [01:04] Roasted: I went the upgrade route, but that was before even the update manger thing worked (just changed my sources list) [01:04] Roasted: is that the desktop cd iso? [01:04] The alternate works good for me [01:05] arand: will that keep the jaunty packages that aren't built for karmic, or is my understanding of this way off? [01:05] it's the i386 iso from daily build [01:05] 32 bit [01:05] I tried throwing it in a VM with Virtualbox and it just crapped out. [01:05] durt: I think so... [01:05] hi arand [01:05] thiebaude: helloo:) [01:05] there is a desktop iso and an alternate iso. [01:06] like I can hit the main screen and when I select boot to liveCD or install ubuntu, I get (initramfs) [01:06] thiebaude: btw, I was formerly "ienorand" [01:06] I'll try the alternate a while. I was hoping the iso would work [01:06] i didn't even know that,lol [01:06] no wonder i was looking for you earlier [01:07] yea, I changed recently... [01:07] The live cd is not any good yet. There is still a problem with aufs [01:07] i'll bbl going to watch Idol [01:07] ahhhh okay [01:07] thanks for that tid bit charlie-tca [01:07] There really doesn't seem to be any good way to tell ppl about nick changes on irc... [01:07] alternate CD installing now [01:07] no problem [01:07] err, downloading [01:08] Roasted: That would've been a blazing connection otherwise [01:08] arand - one could only hope, right? [01:08] but naw, I have comcast, and I live in an area where everybody is about 110 and watches TV all day. My speeds now are kinda poor. [01:10] ouch, at least I get good speeds ~1mb/s, on the other hand, everything from irc to gaming ports are blocked at uni here [01:12] aight, I'm out fellas. Thanks again. [01:15] /sbin/ldconfig.real: libraries libpng.so and libpng12.so.0.15.0 in directory /usr/lib have same soname but different type. << I get this message whe I run apt, any ideas what could be the cause? === effie-jayx is now known as effie_jayx === hggdh is now known as hggdh_ === hggdh_ is now known as hggdh__ === hggdh__ is now known as hggdh [03:02] Anyone finding that yelp segfaults on startup? === yoasif_ is now known as yoasif [06:00] good morning afternoon === MaWaLe1 is now known as MaWaLe === MaWaLe1 is now known as MaWaLe [12:02] Hi there, AFAYK if I install only the kernel from jaunty, will the radeon driver work or should I also upgrade the entire xorg? [14:12] Howdy all === BUGabundo is now known as BUGabundo_work === BUGabundo_work is now known as BUGabundo [14:39] !ping [14:39] ping yourself ;-) really the diodes all down my left side are sore [14:39] ok i'm alive... still [14:42] what's happening ? [14:44] BUGabundo, hi [14:44] BluesKaj: hggdh hey guys [14:45] BluesKaj: nothing special... just checking in... calm day at work [14:45] trying to group my personal nick and my work nick, but FAILed [14:45] seems i cant group already registered nicks :\ [14:46] BUGabundo, I am now a member :-D [14:47] yeah, BUGabundo I haven't bothered registering and cloaking my laptop nick ..too lazy [14:48] hggdh: congrats! FINALLY [14:49] yes! [14:49] took u long [14:49] any trouble? [14:49] or all your triage skills helped? [14:50] took me longer to decide to do it ;-). And no, no issues -- was pretty much a walk in the park [14:50] yes they did [14:50] and the testimonials also [14:50] (thanks, BTW) [14:50] i think u have one of me, right? [14:50] yes [14:51] next step: MOTU? [14:51] :-) [14:51] funny how u got into bug squad before Member [14:51] eheh [14:51] yes, but this will take a bit longer... [14:51] u are in no hurray [14:51] eheh [14:51] anyone can be -control, as long as they show experience on bug handling [14:51] anyone can be a Member [14:51] LOL [14:52] what's required to become a member? Someone was bugging me to , but I don't think I have the skills. [14:53] BluesKaj: doing a great job to and for the Community [14:53] advocating, helping, etc [14:53] sounds arbitrary :) [14:53] i do bug filling, advocating, promotion, user support, so on so on [14:53] BluesKaj: check my LP profile and my wiki [14:54] then tell me its _arbitary_ [14:55] I said it "sounds" arbitrary :) [14:55] BluesKaj, in fact it is not -- a member has to show commitment [14:55] hggdh: and pass Membership meeting.... not always easy [14:57] well, yes, there is that. But it is similar to passing muster to bugs-control [14:57] guess I'm commited , but prolly not to the degree required , altho I'm on one of the kubuntu chat's almost every day, helping out. [14:58] great BluesKaj [14:58] if u have the guts to handle a denial, you could apply [14:59] u never ~know [14:59] there was a recent blog from seveas that talks about membership -- I will find it [14:59] with the +1 of some of kubuntu ninjas, it should be easier [14:59] * ikonia points to the topic [14:59] hggdh: WHAT? one link u dont have on hand? [14:59] * Pici was about to do the same ^^ topic [14:59] guys lets move this to anotjher place [14:59] thanks [15:00] Don't forget that #ubuntu-offtopic exists, and you're all free to join [15:00] * BUGabundo some one should mantain this # active... silence is death [15:00] * hggdh begs pardon [15:00] BUGabundo: no it's not [15:00] BUGabundo: It shouldnt be active if its not Karmic related [15:00] yeah, I know about being denied, handled a few lost promotions over the yrs :) [15:00] BluesKaj: hggdh #ubuntu-pt [15:01] BluesKaj: ping [15:26] BBL === BluesKaj is now known as Blueskaj-gone === yofel_ is now known as yofel === Blueskaj-gone is now known as BluesKaj [16:00] ALSA broken for anyone else? (this falls back to all-non-KDE apps then, since pulseaudio appears to use ALSA). Is there a workaround? [16:01] sounds works everywhere except in youtube for me [16:01] blueyed, what model soundcard ? [16:01] blueyed: KDE does not use PA [16:02] rski: youtube or flash? [16:02] flashmovies found on youtube [16:02] BluesKaj: some old SB16 (snd_emu10k1) [16:02] rski: but others work? [16:03] yes [16:03] BUGabundo: I know.. which is actually really nice currently. [16:03] for example google video [16:03] youporn etc [16:03] :) [16:03] rski: odd.. :) [16:03] couch couch [16:04] indeed [16:04] BUGabundo, wonders why pulseaudio is listed as 3rd preference in audio output devices [16:04] er I wonder why [16:04] so i have to use youtube-dl to watch them in mplayer all the time [16:05] odd. now it works again, after restating pulseaudio..! previously it would complain about "snd_pcm_avail() returned a value that is exceptionally large" during startup. [16:06] ahhh pulseaudio -k [16:06] thats lovelly magic words [16:07] blueyed: do u have both gnome and kde WM? [16:07] BUGabundo: yes. only using KDE though. [16:07] doesnt matter [16:08] installing the other will get u both packages [16:08] in this case PA [16:08] yes. bad thing? would e.g. firefox/flash not use PA if I hadn't it installed? (guess so..) [16:09] not bad thing. Should work (TM) [16:09] well, after all, I could purge pulseaudio.. will try that the next time it causes problems. [16:09] no idea what flash does [16:09] its Closed Source [16:10] if Kubuntu does not install PA, it should work without probably., [16:10] AFAIK kiling and re-spwaing PA, doesnt work very well for FLASH [16:17] locate pulseaudio : /usr/lib/xine/plugins/1.26/xineplug_ao_out_pulseaudio.so [16:18] I don't have gnome installed , so where did that come from , obviously a plugin for xine [16:20] BluesKaj: Its in the libxine1-misc-plugins package. [16:20] see: apt-file search /usr/lib/xine/plugins/1.26/xineplug_ao_out_pulseaudio.so [16:21] yup [18:43] ok [18:43] can not get into buzzen chat [18:45] Eh? [18:45] okay then [19:52] hey [19:53] it seems I messed up my packages [19:53] I guess I have to reinstall all ubuntu-desktop [19:53] main problem, mi coonection doesn't work [19:54] I'm using my old Intrepid Live CD in order to download the Alpha 1 iso [19:55] Can you give me instructions on mounting the ISO and using apt-cdrom to repair my packages? [19:58] RichardWolfVI: You'll need to be a lot more specific about the nature of your breakage if anyone is going to be able to help. [19:59] RichardWolfVI, alt+f2 kdesudo kate /etc/apt/sources.list , and take out the # thats' in front of the deb cdrom ...source , save and then in the terminal do : sudo apt-get update [20:00] maxb: I noticed a lot of packages in the local/obsolete section [20:00] I removed them [20:00] Now I know I shouldn't [20:00] BluesKaj: I'm not using KDE [20:00] GDNM is gone [20:00] *GDM [20:01] I can't even have a graphical session [20:02] RichardWolfVI: You are getting the alternate iso, not the desktop one, right? [20:04] maxb: Well, it's the only one I see from the site [20:04] What is the filename you are downloading, then? [20:04] apart from server [20:04] kermic-alternative-i386.iso [20:05] good [20:05] cant get a prompt in rescue mode either? [20:05] acicula: yes, I can [20:05] loopmount it, add a source to sources.list using a file: URL, and apt-get update [20:06] then why mess around with a cd? [20:06] well, I need more precise instructions for it [20:06] hmm, I'm on a LiveCD right now [20:06] acicula: Network. Dead. [20:06] wireless? [20:07] acicula: yes [20:07] ah yeah that's a pain, dunno if you can work networkmanager via a cli [20:07] is a desktop computer, so I'm not moving it [20:09] is there a way to burn the iso easily? [20:09] from commandline, I mean [20:09] is there anything new over jaunty in the dail builds ? [20:09] some updated software [20:10] Gnome 2.27 and Kernel 2.6.30 [20:10] mainly [20:10] Oh, and the intel driver [20:10] 2.7 [20:10] appearantly that's been backported to jaunty as well [20:10] RichardWolfVI: why would you burn the iso? [20:11] maxb: I though on using apt-cdrom [20:11] k thks [20:11] That shouldn't be necessary. [20:12] well [20:12] I guess I'm saving the iso to the thumbdrive [20:12] or is there a way to save it directly to the HDD? [20:12] You can mount an iso as a directory [20:13] yeah, but I'm not command savvy [20:13] mount image.iso /directory -o loop, right? [20:13] indeed [20:14] then I add to /etc/sources.lst the line file://directory [20:14] right? [20:15] yes [20:15] nothing else? [20:15] why, what did you expect? :-) [20:15] well, if these are the exact commands [20:46] Which directories in the Ubuntu filesystem are not restricted? [20:47] RichardWolfVI, what do you mean by "are not restricted"? [20:48] hggdh: I'm downloading a file from a LiveCD [20:48] and? [20:48] i need to copy that File to my Hard Drive [20:48] which has ubuntu [20:48] ah, OK. /tmp is always a good place [20:50] hggdh: It won't be gone at restart? [20:51] well, yes. Then you should use your own home directory, for example [20:52] hggdh: I mean, I'm on LiveCD right now [20:52] I need to copy a ISO file to my hard drive [20:52] so I can get to start Karmic from there and mount that ISO [20:52] then you first of all need to find out if your HD is already mounted, and then find a directory there where you can copy the files in (or create one such) [20:53] The drive is mounted [20:53] I don't know which directory is free tio ude [20:53] *use [20:54] *to [20:54] my /home/me directory in my HDD is not [20:58] RichardWolfVI, run na 'ls -l' on your hard drive [21:00] hggdh: I don't where it's locates [21:00] *located [21:00] RichardWolfVI, *probably* under /media, somewhere [21:01] nope, it isn't [21:01] nm, I found it [21:01] also "mount" should show it, if it is mounted [21:01] OK, what shoul I look for [21:01] ? [21:02] *should [21:02] Where is the place where I specify modules which must get unloaded at suspend/hibernation time, and reloaded when coming out of suspend/hibernation? [21:03] I have to make sure ath_pci and sierra get unloaded before I go down, and reloaded when I come back up === matt64- is now known as erle- [21:06] hggdh: what should I look for in the output? [21:06] RichardWolfVI, run a 'ls -l ' on your hard drive, and look for a directory with permissions compatible for your usage (something like 777, rwxrwxrxw) [21:07] none [21:08] OK. Try to create a file on your HD - for example, on a command line, run 'touch //test [21:11] hmm I'm using /var/tmp [21:11] touch a file there, then run a 'ls -l' and see who owns the file [21:12] got [21:13] OK, I found aproper directory [21:13] good, and good luck now ;-) [21:35] So, is all mdraid currently a bit broken in Karmic? [21:35] (bug 377395) [21:35] Launchpad bug 377395 in util-linux "[karmic] software RAID not assembled at boot - blkid hangs using 100% CPU" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/377395 [21:35] It sounds like it should apply to all mdraid, but if so I am surprised there aren't more people talking about it. [21:37] Not that many outside of servers use it, maybe [21:38] I doubt that many servers are going to test the development version [21:41] Huh. I use it for my homedir === yml_ is now known as ghost === ghost is now known as Guest42890 === yml_ is now known as yml [22:16] what package do i report against if my changing my brightness uses the old notifications? [22:46] holla UDSistas === customer is now known as linuxman410