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| geofft | regarding the discussion about xmonad last night: it looks like this affects all WMs set in .gconf | 03:18 |
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| geofft | that is, if your .gconf in Intrepid specified a window manager, you don't get one in Jaunty | 03:18 |
| geofft | I can find discussion on the web and on e-mail, and LP bugs for specific WMs, but not one general one. am I just missing it? | 03:19 |
| * nixternal hugs his 'startx' with xmonad :) | 03:24 | |
| owen1_ | is there ubuntu reference, similar to debian's - http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ ? | 03:24 |
| nixternal | owen1_: there are a bunch of things that would make up something similar to be honest | 03:25 |
| geofft | nixternal: that is my personal setup too, yes :) no GNOME on this laptop :) | 03:25 |
| nixternal | no one stop shop for such a thing unfortunately | 03:25 |
| nixternal | geofft: FTW! :) | 03:25 |
| geofft | but this is biting a bunch of our users | 03:26 |
| geofft | so I count bugs 378111, 348432, 366166, and 340140 as conceivably all the same issue. | 03:27 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 378111 in xmonad "Xmonad refuses to start automatically on 9.04" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/378111 | 03:27 |
| owen1_ | nixternal: like what? | 03:27 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 348432 in compiz "Jaunty - after upgrade from 8.10, no window decorator at login" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/348432 | 03:27 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 366166 in ubuntu "e16-gnome not working with jaunty 9.04 " [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/366166 | 03:27 |
| nixternal | owen1_: various documents on help.ubuntu.com, and then various documents under wiki.ubuntu.com | 03:28 |
| nixternal | owen1_: oh, and the Debian Reference itself can be utilized to an extent :) yes, a bit of cheating, but it works in a lot of cases | 03:28 |
| owen1_ | i want to learn about the boot process, what apps are running on boot, why and how to control it. can i do it by reading the debian's docs? | 03:30 |
| nixternal | there is something on the wiki concerning boot process, but I do not know exactly where...I came across it a month or so back | 03:31 |
| geofft | owen1_: have you seen upstart's man pages and /etc/event.d? | 03:33 |
| owen1_ | geofft: no | 03:33 |
| geofft | see man init, man initctl, etc., and the docs in that directory and in /usr/share/doc/upstart-compat-sysv/README.Debian.gz | 03:35 |
| owen1_ | geofft: thanks, i'll take a look. i am curious, how come there is no centeralize place on the web for ubuntu, as red-hat and debian? | 03:36 |
| geofft | huh? there certainly is ubuntu.com :) wiki.ubuntu.com may be more helpful | 03:37 |
| owen1_ | geofft: ok. i'll check them out. thanks | 03:38 |
| geofft | anyway. Anyone have ideas on what in GConf could have broken the window manager preference that worked in Intrepid? | 03:40 |
| ebroder | geofft - what setting did we use for <=Intrepid? Googling pointed me at /desktop/gnome/session/required_components/windowmanager; another at that one and also /desktop/gnome/applications/window_manager/current | 03:41 |
| ebroder | Huh - looks like we were setting /desktop/gnome/session/required_components/windowmanager | 03:43 |
| owen1_ | geofft: i can't find anything technical here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ | 03:45 |
| geofft | owen1_: what are you looking for? there are a lot of technical docs deeper within that site | 03:50 |
| owen1_ | geofft: mainly the boot process. i was just curious if there is anything online simiar to debian. the links you sent me are not low level, at least i couldn't find any. | 03:52 |
| owen1_ | geofft: even the server guide is mainly about installing appse | 03:53 |
| owen1_ | geofft: apps. | 03:53 |
| owen1_ | geofft: i guess my best bet is the man pages you mentioned. | 03:53 |
| owen1_ | geofft: unless i missed a link on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ | 03:54 |
| geofft | owen1_: if I search for "upstart", there's a little bit of helpful stuff | 03:56 |
| owen1_ | geofft: isn't ubuntu used for production server? is there a place for ubuntu sys admin to look for this stuff? | 03:58 |
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| hegde | hi all | 07:46 |
| hegde | i have a laptop with an sdcard reader in it....all the cards that i insert is mounting in /dev/sdb1 .....is there any way to get the sdcard name???? like CANON MEMORY CARD | 07:47 |
| wgrant | hegde: This isn't a support channel; you want #ubuntu. | 07:49 |
| maco | wgrant, i have a devel question. if an sru has been uploaded to universe and it got an ACK from motu-sru, how does it move forward out of the unapproved queue? | 07:55 |
| wgrant | maco: You wait for an archive admin to do it on their archive day, I guess. | 07:55 |
| wgrant | maco: But that might take a while, given that {{Some,All}Hands,UDS} is happening. | 07:56 |
| maco | ah ok. thanks | 07:56 |
| mdke | do developers tend to use virtual machines when testing SRUs for previous releases, and if so, what is the software of choice? I've been using virtualbox but it's a bit of a drag to set up the different guests | 08:11 |
| hyperair | they go into -proposed, and users test them. | 08:12 |
| mdke | hyperair: I'm thinking that developers test the packages before uploading them, though | 08:12 |
| hyperair | also, all virtual machine solutions require you to set up guests. | 08:12 |
| mdke | but, doesn't vmware provide images which are pre-setup? | 08:13 |
| hyperair | well. | 08:13 |
| hyperair | i'm not sure | 08:13 |
| hyperair | but it's pointless isn't it, if you're gonig to require a vanilla ubuntu ______ system anyway? | 08:13 |
| mdke | I assumed that the vmware images were "vanilla" | 08:14 |
| mdke | also I wondered if other virtual machines were easier to setup than virtualbox | 08:14 |
| maco | virtualbox is pretty easy...i mean, it has a GUI! | 08:15 |
| mdke | it's ok, but you have to go through the Ubuntu installation process, then install the extra modules on the guest so that you get proper screen resolution | 08:15 |
| maco | you can save the image and pass it around if you like | 08:16 |
| mdke | takes a while, and I'm setting up one for each supported version of Ubuntu | 08:16 |
| maco | i had a alpha5 jaunty on the pirate bay | 08:16 |
| maco | i recommend snapshotting right after install that way you can go back to vanilla after each test | 08:17 |
| mdke | that doesn't really help me though because I'd like a separate machine for each version, snapshots don't really interest me | 08:17 |
| hyperair | the point here is having a separate machine for each version, and snapshotting the vanilla install | 08:18 |
| mdke | I'll use virtualbox if I have to, of course, but I was curious about what others use | 08:18 |
| hyperair | hence after each test, you can revert to the vanilla install | 08:18 |
| hyperair | i.e. ~0 maintenance | 08:18 |
| mdke | well, I might do that, but the testing I'm going to do is quite minor, so reverting a test package I've installed takes 5 seconds | 08:19 |
| mdke | I think my question still stands though | 08:19 |
| lesshaste | hi all | 08:21 |
| lesshaste | ulimit -m doesn't seem to do anything in hardy | 08:23 |
| lesshaste | is this a known feature? | 08:23 |
| lesshaste | (ulimit -v 0; exec top) | 08:24 |
| lesshaste | <ferret> Killed | 08:24 |
| lesshaste | that's correct | 08:24 |
| lesshaste | but ulimit -m does nothing as far as I can tell | 08:24 |
| lesshaste | there is a long discussion about the 2.4 kernel http://mail.nl.linux.org/kernelnewbies/2002-07/msg00131.html which says that -m doesn't do what you might think | 08:28 |
| lesshaste | is this also true for modern kernels, and if so shouldn't the docs for ulimit be updated? | 08:28 |
| maco | mdke, if you look around online, you can probably find vbox images for many of the releases | 08:29 |
| mdke | maco: ok, I will have a look, thanks | 08:33 |
| mdke | I'm still interested to find out what other developers use, though | 08:34 |
| Hobbsee | mdke: you might ask sometime when most of them aren't at all hands, fwiw | 08:35 |
| maco | i used kvm when i was testing unstable and knew my hardware was a bad idea with that version | 08:35 |
| lesshaste | or should I just report a documentation bug? | 08:35 |
| maco | All Hands *without internet* | 08:35 |
| maco | plus, the American developers are asleep | 08:35 |
| mdke | Hobbsee: I'll do that; but we do have some developers left, as you've demonstrated :) | 08:36 |
| Hobbsee | mdke: sure, but I try to avoid doing SRU work, as i don't tend to run the releases after they've released for long. So i don't count ;) | 08:37 |
| Hobbsee | mdke: there was a bugsquad community position for someone to regularly create and update virtualbox / other images, though. i'm not sure it ever got filled. | 08:38 |
| mdke | interesting | 08:38 |
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| stefanlsd | mdke: i have vbox for testing gui related stuff. if its not gui, i often just use pbuilder chroot with --login option... | 08:41 |
| mdke | stefanlsd: thanks, that's helpful | 08:42 |
| mdke | I'll carry on with vbox too | 08:44 |
| lesshaste | anyone on jaunty care to do "man bash" and then search for "ulimit" and tell me what it says for "-m" ? | 08:52 |
| Nicke | lesshaste: Have you checked http://manpages.ubuntu.com/ ? | 09:06 |
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| ulel | hi | 10:35 |
| ulel | anyone running a cluster here | 10:35 |
| ulel | on ubuntu | 10:35 |
| slangasek | ulel: this isn't really an appropriate channel for such questions; you might try #ubuntu-server | 10:36 |
| ulel | ok | 10:37 |
| quadrispro | wgrant: hi! http://qa.ubuntuwire.com/uehs is outdated, could you refresh it? | 11:43 |
| wgrant | quadrispro: Looking, thanks. | 11:51 |
| quadrispro | :) | 11:51 |
| wgrant | quadrispro: It doesn't seem to be misbehaving any more, so it should be updating now. | 12:10 |
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| quadrispro | wgrant: thank you | 12:16 |
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| calc | Hobbsee: there is internet in all but the plenary room | 13:22 |
| calc | Hobbsee: but we aren't really supposed to be using the net | 13:22 |
| Hobbsee | calc: ahhh | 13:22 |
| calc | Hobbsee: coming to UDS next week? | 13:23 |
| Hobbsee | calc: nope. Been smashed with uni work and real life | 13:24 |
| calc | Hobbsee: ah ok | 13:24 |
| Hobbsee | i won't make it to another one until this time next year, if I make it at all. | 13:24 |
| calc | ok | 13:24 |
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| geofft | ebroder: so, I have both of those gconf keys set to "Metacity" (since early April) and I don't get a window manager on Jaunty | 16:30 |
| geofft | er, "metacity". Should it be a full path or something? | 16:31 |
| geofft | okay, setting either one of those to a full path doesn't help. | 16:39 |
| ScottK | geofft: I think you want #ubuntu | 16:40 |
| geofft | hm, potentially. Although I know there's a bug here. | 16:42 |
| ScottK | Then maybe you want #ubuntu-bug | 16:43 |
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| toiyeuvietnam | alo | 18:42 |
| toiyeuvietnam | ai chat ty ko nhy.? | 18:42 |
| toiyeuvietnam | ko ngu dc | 18:42 |
| Pici | !vn | 18:44 |
| ubottu | Để được trợ giúp về Ubuntu bằng ngôn ngữ Việt, xin vui lòng /join #ubuntu-vn. Rất vui lòng được giúp đỡ | 18:44 |
| hunger_t | Is there any estimation for fglrx debs working with karmic possible at this time? | 18:45 |
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| ScottK | hunger: You might ask in #ubuntu-x | 19:04 |
| hunger | ScottK: Thanks! | 19:05 |
| hunger | ScottK: Not that important since the jaunty kernel is working fine and has fglrx :-) | 19:05 |
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| okayzed | has anyone been following IMA in the kernel dev? | 19:19 |
| okayzed | IMA = integrity measurement architecture | 19:20 |
| Pici | okayzed: You may want to ask in #ubuntu-kernel | 19:22 |
| okayzed | thanks | 19:23 |
| maxb | ooi, what caused the mass-giveback today? | 19:49 |
| Jihui_Choi | I'm remastering ubuntu live iso. | 19:51 |
| Jihui_Choi | using uck. I updated all packages and it applied on live iso. | 19:52 |
| Jihui_Choi | however after I installed ubuntu on my system using my live iso, the update manager asked me to update packages. | 19:53 |
| Jihui_Choi | How can I updated them? | 19:53 |
| diddly | hi all, i'm trying to debug a Qt4 based app, but gdb isn't stepping into Qt code after i installed libqt4-debug | 21:05 |
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| maxb | Hi, are there any util-linux maintainers around who could explain how best to submit a debdiff and/or request changesets be pulled from upstream's git, given the rather unique style of packaging of the source package (being a git repo based off upstream's) ? | 21:07 |
| ScottK | maxb: You'll want to talk to lamon | 21:08 |
| ScottK | maxb: lamont even | 21:08 |
| maxb | lamont: ping? | 21:08 |
| maxb | (thanks ScottK ) | 21:08 |
| YokoZar | Is there a reason lib32asound2 suggests libasound2-plugins rather than lib32asound2-plugins ? | 22:01 |
| lamont | maxb: you want to tell me which git commit you want pulled back to which branch | 22:16 |
| ScottK | You are lamont the great. You're supposed to know this stuff. | 22:16 |
| lamont | ScottK: heh | 22:20 |
| lamont | well, there are days I'd like to pull all of the commits back, but that's not so feasible. | 22:20 |
| lamont | anyway, bed time for me. | 22:20 |
| maxb | lamont: bug 377395 | 22:23 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 377395 in util-linux "[karmic] software RAID not assembled at boot - blkid hangs using 100% CPU" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/377395 | 22:23 |
| lamont | it'll probably be monday, unless keybuk beats me to it | 22:23 |
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