[03:18] <geofft> regarding the discussion about xmonad last night: it looks like this affects all WMs set in .gconf
[03:18] <geofft> that is, if your .gconf in Intrepid specified a window manager, you don't get one in Jaunty
[03:19] <geofft> I can find discussion on the web and on e-mail, and LP bugs for specific WMs, but not one general one. am I just missing it?
[03:24]  * nixternal hugs his 'startx' with xmonad :)
[03:24] <owen1_> is there ubuntu reference, similar to debian's - http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ ?
[03:25] <nixternal> owen1_: there are a bunch of things that would make up something similar to be honest
[03:25] <geofft> nixternal: that is my personal setup too, yes :) no GNOME on this laptop :)
[03:25] <nixternal> no one stop shop for such a thing unfortunately
[03:25] <nixternal> geofft: FTW! :)
[03:26] <geofft> but this is biting a bunch of our users
[03:27] <geofft> so I count bugs 378111, 348432, 366166, and 340140 as conceivably all the same issue.
[03:27] <owen1_> nixternal: like what?
[03:28] <nixternal> owen1_: various documents on help.ubuntu.com, and then various documents under wiki.ubuntu.com
[03:28] <nixternal> owen1_: oh, and the Debian Reference itself can be utilized to an extent :)  yes, a bit of cheating, but it works in a lot of cases
[03:30] <owen1_> i want to learn about the boot process, what apps are running on boot, why and how to control it. can i do it by reading the debian's docs?
[03:31] <nixternal> there is something on the wiki concerning boot process, but I do not know exactly where...I came across it a month or so back
[03:33] <geofft> owen1_: have you seen upstart's man pages and /etc/event.d?
[03:33] <owen1_> geofft: no
[03:35] <geofft> see man init, man initctl, etc., and the docs in that directory and in /usr/share/doc/upstart-compat-sysv/README.Debian.gz
[03:36] <owen1_> geofft: thanks, i'll take a look. i am curious, how come there is no centeralize place on the web for ubuntu, as red-hat and debian?
[03:37] <geofft> huh? there certainly is ubuntu.com :) wiki.ubuntu.com may be more helpful
[03:38] <owen1_> geofft: ok. i'll check them out. thanks
[03:40] <geofft> anyway. Anyone have ideas on what in GConf could have broken the window manager preference that worked in Intrepid?
[03:41] <ebroder> geofft - what setting did we use for <=Intrepid? Googling pointed me at /desktop/gnome/session/required_components/windowmanager; another at that one and also /desktop/gnome/applications/window_manager/current
[03:43] <ebroder> Huh - looks like we were setting /desktop/gnome/session/required_components/windowmanager
[03:45] <owen1_> geofft: i can't find anything technical here:  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/
[03:50] <geofft> owen1_: what are you looking for? there are a lot of technical docs deeper within that site
[03:52] <owen1_> geofft: mainly the boot process. i was just curious if there is anything online simiar to debian. the links you sent me are not low level, at least i couldn't find any.
[03:53] <owen1_> geofft: even the server guide is mainly about installing appse
[03:53] <owen1_> geofft: apps.
[03:53] <owen1_> geofft: i guess my best bet is the man pages you mentioned.
[03:54] <owen1_> geofft: unless i missed a link on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/
[03:56] <geofft> owen1_: if I search for "upstart", there's a little bit of helpful stuff
[03:58] <owen1_> geofft: isn't ubuntu used for production server?  is there a place for ubuntu sys admin to look for this stuff?
[07:46] <hegde> hi all
[07:47] <hegde> i have a laptop with an sdcard reader in it....all the cards that i insert is mounting in /dev/sdb1 .....is there any way to get the sdcard name???? like CANON MEMORY CARD
[07:49] <wgrant> hegde: This isn't a support channel; you want #ubuntu.
[07:55] <maco> wgrant, i have a devel question.  if an sru has been uploaded to universe and it got an ACK from motu-sru, how does it move forward out of the unapproved queue?
[07:55] <wgrant> maco: You wait for an archive admin to do it on their archive day, I guess.
[07:56] <wgrant> maco: But that might take a while, given that {{Some,All}Hands,UDS} is happening.
[07:56] <maco> ah ok. thanks
[08:11] <mdke> do developers tend to use virtual machines when testing SRUs for previous releases, and if so, what is the software of choice? I've been using virtualbox but it's a bit of a drag to set up the different guests
[08:12] <hyperair> they go into -proposed, and users test them.
[08:12] <mdke> hyperair: I'm thinking that developers test the packages before uploading them, though
[08:12] <hyperair> also, all virtual machine solutions require you to set up guests.
[08:13] <mdke> but, doesn't vmware provide images which are pre-setup?
[08:13] <hyperair> well.
[08:13] <hyperair> i'm not sure
[08:13] <hyperair> but it's pointless isn't it, if you're gonig to require a vanilla ubuntu ______ system anyway?
[08:14] <mdke> I assumed that the vmware images were "vanilla"
[08:14] <mdke> also I wondered if other virtual machines were easier to setup than virtualbox
[08:15] <maco> virtualbox is pretty easy...i mean, it has a GUI!
[08:15] <mdke> it's ok, but you have to go through the Ubuntu installation process, then install the extra modules on the guest so that you get proper screen resolution
[08:16] <maco> you can save the image and pass it around if you like
[08:16] <mdke> takes a while, and I'm setting up one for each supported version of Ubuntu
[08:16] <maco> i had a alpha5 jaunty on the pirate bay
[08:17] <maco> i recommend snapshotting right after install that way you can go back to vanilla after each test
[08:17] <mdke> that doesn't really help me though because I'd like a separate machine for each version, snapshots don't really interest me
[08:18] <hyperair> the point here is having a separate machine for each version, and snapshotting the vanilla install
[08:18] <mdke> I'll use virtualbox if I have to, of course, but I was curious about what others use
[08:18] <hyperair> hence after each test, you can revert to the vanilla install
[08:18] <hyperair> i.e. ~0 maintenance
[08:19] <mdke> well, I might do that, but the testing I'm going to do is quite minor, so reverting a test package I've installed takes 5 seconds
[08:19] <mdke> I think my question still stands though
[08:21] <lesshaste> hi all
[08:23] <lesshaste> ulimit -m doesn't seem to do anything in hardy
[08:23] <lesshaste> is this a known feature?
[08:24] <lesshaste> (ulimit -v 0; exec top)
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[08:24] <lesshaste> that's correct
[08:24] <lesshaste> but ulimit -m does nothing as far as I can tell
[08:28] <lesshaste> there is a long discussion about the 2.4 kernel http://mail.nl.linux.org/kernelnewbies/2002-07/msg00131.html which says that -m doesn't do what you might think
[08:28] <lesshaste> is this also true for modern kernels, and if so shouldn't the docs for ulimit be updated?
[08:29] <maco> mdke, if you look around online, you can probably find vbox images for many of the releases
[08:33] <mdke> maco: ok, I will have a look, thanks
[08:34] <mdke> I'm still interested to find out what other developers use, though
[08:35] <Hobbsee> mdke: you might ask sometime when most of them aren't at all hands, fwiw
[08:35] <maco> i used kvm when i was testing unstable and knew my hardware was a bad idea with that version
[08:35] <lesshaste> or should I just report a documentation bug?
[08:35] <maco> All Hands *without internet*
[08:35] <maco> plus, the American developers are asleep
[08:36] <mdke> Hobbsee: I'll do that; but we do have some developers left, as you've demonstrated :)
[08:37] <Hobbsee> mdke: sure, but I try to avoid doing SRU work, as i don't tend to run the releases after they've released for long.  So i don't count ;)
[08:38] <Hobbsee> mdke: there was a bugsquad community position for someone to regularly create and update virtualbox / other images, though.  i'm not sure it ever got filled.
[08:38] <mdke> interesting
[08:41] <stefanlsd> mdke: i have vbox for testing gui related stuff. if its not gui, i often just use pbuilder chroot with --login option...
[08:42] <mdke> stefanlsd: thanks, that's helpful
[08:44] <mdke> I'll carry on with vbox too
[08:52] <lesshaste> anyone on jaunty care to do "man bash" and then search for "ulimit" and tell me what it says for "-m" ?
[09:06] <Nicke> lesshaste: Have you checked http://manpages.ubuntu.com/ ?
[10:35] <ulel> hi
[10:35] <ulel> anyone running a cluster here
[10:35] <ulel> on ubuntu
[10:36] <slangasek> ulel: this isn't really an appropriate channel for such questions; you might try #ubuntu-server
[10:37] <ulel> ok
[11:43] <quadrispro> wgrant: hi! http://qa.ubuntuwire.com/uehs is outdated, could you refresh it?
[11:51] <wgrant> quadrispro: Looking, thanks.
[11:51] <quadrispro> :)
[12:10] <wgrant> quadrispro: It doesn't seem to be misbehaving any more, so it should be updating now.
[12:16] <quadrispro> wgrant: thank you
[13:22] <calc> Hobbsee: there is internet in all but the plenary room
[13:22] <calc> Hobbsee: but we aren't really supposed to be using the net
[13:22] <Hobbsee> calc: ahhh
[13:23] <calc> Hobbsee: coming to UDS next week?
[13:24] <Hobbsee> calc: nope.  Been smashed with uni work and real life
[13:24] <calc> Hobbsee: ah ok
[13:24] <Hobbsee> i won't make it to another one until this time next year, if I make it at all.
[13:24] <calc> ok
[16:30] <geofft> ebroder: so, I have both of those gconf keys set to "Metacity" (since early April) and I don't get a window manager on Jaunty
[16:31] <geofft> er, "metacity". Should it be a full path or something?
[16:39] <geofft> okay, setting either one of those to a full path doesn't help.
[16:40] <ScottK> geofft: I think you want #ubuntu
[16:42] <geofft> hm, potentially. Although I know there's a bug here.
[16:43] <ScottK> Then maybe you want #ubuntu-bug
[18:42] <toiyeuvietnam> alo
[18:42] <toiyeuvietnam> ai chat ty ko nhy.?
[18:42] <toiyeuvietnam> ko ngu dc
[18:44] <Pici> !vn
[18:45] <hunger_t> Is there any estimation for fglrx debs working with karmic possible at this time?
[19:04] <ScottK> hunger: You might ask in #ubuntu-x
[19:05] <hunger> ScottK: Thanks!
[19:05] <hunger> ScottK: Not that important since the jaunty kernel is working fine and has fglrx :-)
[19:19] <okayzed> has anyone been following IMA in the kernel dev?
[19:20] <okayzed> IMA = integrity measurement architecture
[19:22] <Pici> okayzed: You may want to ask in #ubuntu-kernel
[19:23] <okayzed> thanks
[19:49] <maxb> ooi, what caused the mass-giveback today?
[19:51] <Jihui_Choi> I'm remastering ubuntu live iso.
[19:52] <Jihui_Choi> using uck. I updated all packages and it applied on live iso.
[19:53] <Jihui_Choi> however after I installed ubuntu on my system using my live iso, the update manager asked me to update packages.
[19:53] <Jihui_Choi> How can I updated them?
[21:05] <diddly> hi all, i'm trying to debug a Qt4 based app, but gdb isn't stepping into Qt code after i installed libqt4-debug
[21:07] <maxb> Hi, are there any util-linux maintainers around who could explain how best to submit a debdiff and/or request changesets be pulled from upstream's git, given the rather unique style of packaging of the source package (being a git repo based off upstream's) ?
[21:08] <ScottK> maxb: You'll want to talk to lamon
[21:08] <ScottK> maxb: lamont even
[21:08] <maxb> lamont: ping?
[21:08] <maxb> (thanks ScottK )
[22:01] <YokoZar> Is there a reason lib32asound2 suggests libasound2-plugins rather than lib32asound2-plugins ?
[22:16] <lamont> maxb: you want to tell me which git commit you want pulled back to which branch
[22:16] <ScottK> You are lamont the great.  You're supposed to know this stuff.
[22:20] <lamont> ScottK: heh
[22:20] <lamont> well, there are days I'd like to pull all of the commits back, but that's not so feasible.
[22:20] <lamont> anyway,  bed time for me.
[22:23] <maxb> lamont: bug 377395
[22:23] <lamont> it'll probably be monday, unless keybuk beats me to it