[03:29] is there some way to change window title bar size? [03:30] Settings>Window Manager gives you a lot of options. [03:31] Also, Settings>Window Manager Tweaks [03:37] mikechelen, that help? [03:38] likemindead, it lets the title font size be changed, however then the text starts to overflow the titlebar [03:39] Probably have to edit a config file... [03:39] any idea where? only guess might be the theme [03:42] Hmm... it looks like the "User Interface" settings aren't in Jaunty... [03:45] Sorry, mikechelen, I'm usually trying to make things smaller... [03:47] likemindead, hehe thanks anyway, shows how custom options are needed to allow adjustments either direction :D [03:48] Oh, I'm sure it's possible to adjust, I just don't know where to do it. [03:51] might look around, depends how complicated it turns out to be [03:51] anyone help me, i'm looking for a xubuntu icon..just the rat in the ubuntu symbol [03:51] never mind...got it [04:05] how do you disable system beep in xubuntu? [04:06] http://kmandla.wordpress.com/2007/09/17/blacklist-your-pc-speaker/ [04:07] Or [04:07] http://blog.golden-ratio.net/2008/04/29/installation-of-xubuntu/ [04:53] hello.. [04:53] Ahoy. Love your OS. [04:53] ahoy [04:58] what is ahoy? [04:59] !google ahoy [04:59] Sorry, I don't know anything about google ahoy [04:59] ... [05:00] http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/ahoy [05:00] heh [05:01] ? [05:01] hail.. likemindead [05:01] :) [05:01] ahoy = idiot [05:01] in japanesse [05:01] thought I read something else.. [05:01] in English === freego is now known as forces [06:21] I am on xfce4..and in the panel how do I get that little icon that shows me if my laptop is plugged in or running on battery? === freego is now known as forces [07:35] hello [07:36] anyone around? [07:42] no [07:43] D: [07:43] i borked my craptop [07:43] lol [07:44] apparently xubuntu hates the onboard video card in my laptop [07:46] SnowKitty: please elaborate [07:46] the graphics are all fucked up, i got it installed but i cant get the video working right [07:46] i tried booting in safe graphics mode too and it appears to hang at a funky white screen [07:47] it's hard to explain, i'll try and get some pics in a lil bit [07:48] ill list off the specs if you need em [07:49] it's an HP pavillion N5495... has 512MB PC133 ram, 1.06ghz tualatin P3, some shitty intel onboard video chip, 30GB hdd [07:50] SnowKitty: please mind your language, we try to keep the channels suitable for all ages and cultures... [07:50] anyway [07:50] oh, sorry [07:51] i got this machine for free a while back, ive tried XP on it and it didnt run as well as id have liked, windows 2000 ran okay, but i wanted to try linux on it [07:51] problem is, there's something going wrong here and im only really familiar with mac os and windows :| [07:52] SnowKitty: you could pastebin "sudo lshw -c display" so we'd know what intel exactly you've got [07:53] okay, but the display can be hard to read cause of the graphics issues [07:53] lemme boot it up and snap a pic [07:53] oh [07:54] i forgot to mention that when i start up off the CD the menu where i select the options and stuff (whether i wanna boot from CD or install) comes up perfectly fine [07:54] after it boots though the graphics go all weird [07:57] okay, i got some pics. im gonna upload em to photobucket [08:02] and i typed in the command you gave me, it says intel 82830 [08:04] and here's a pic of what the screen looks like: http://i106.photobucket.com/albums/m280/desukat/messedupgraphics.jpg [08:07] could it be something's set wrong? or is it a driver issue? [08:11] is this 9.04 or 8.10 ? [08:11] SnowKitty, does changing resolution help at all? [08:11] nope [08:11] it's 9.04 [08:12] this laptop apparently has some nasty hardware bugs, the speakers sometimes kick back on wheil you have headphones in, and sometimes the keybaord/trackpad stop working till you put it to sleep and wake it again [08:13] anyway. I have a quick question. I am looking for a list of programs that run inside terminal only ( like vim,irssi,snownews ,....) [08:13] *while [08:13] i looked into it and ive seen that several other people had those problems too === freego is now known as forces [08:14] do you know what video chip it uses? [08:16] run an lspci . google for problems with your card [08:17] btw. I am waiting until 9.04 is out for awhile before upgrading. better to be safe and hope the bugs get worked out. [08:17] http://www.intel.com/support/graphics/intel830m/ [08:17] there it is [08:17] intel 830M [08:20] http://www.intel.com/support/graphics/sb/cs-010512.htm you may want to update/ replace (with vesa drivers) [08:23] 9.04 is causing no troubles for me, although it may vary by hardware [08:31] gahh [08:31] i cant get this figured out [08:32] someone in another irc channel told me i should try the 810 driver but i have no idea where to get it or how to install it [08:36] join the world of ...there is probably a fix but it may take some time for you to figure it out. [08:37] google your brains out. [08:38] SnowKitty, was 8.10 working fine for you ? [08:38] i havent tried that [08:38] if so, you can always revert. [08:38] ah.k [08:38] i was running windows 2000 before i tried 9.04 [08:39] not the smartest jump. some users of 8.10 have had problems with 9.04 [08:39] rofl [08:39] i think i should have asked around ehre before i wasted a CDR on this one [08:40] **here [08:40] seriously. have seen it referred to as "The jerkoff Jackelope " [08:41] lol [08:42] well. I use xubuntu intrepid and tmxxine prism . both are best (imho) distros to use for ease of mind. eventually you will graduate to Gentoo [08:42] im gonna try rehular ubuntu right now, should i get 8.04 or 9.04 [08:42] *regular [08:43] seriously. "regular" ubuntu is bloated. [08:43] get xubuntu 8.10 [08:43] (intrepid) [08:44] I myself graduated from Gentoo to Ubuntu :) [08:46] artistxe: its not *bloated* [08:46] intel just forgot to code drivers for xorg 1.6 [08:47] SnowKitty, try searching ubuntuforums.org for intel 830m [08:47] i cant find xubuntu 8.10 [08:48] i see 9.04 and 8.0something [08:48] oops [08:48] im blind >.< [08:48] i found it [08:49] gabkdlly, you got lucky with hardware config then. [08:49] SiDi : compared to xubuntu , ubuntu is bloated ( methinks) [08:50] they are designed for different circumstances [08:50] artistxe: actually, I did end up having to compile my own kernel, since the default has not worked for me since Gutsy [08:51] okay, torrenting up 8.10 [08:54] compared to fluxbox, xfce seems resource-intensive :D [08:55] o.o; [08:55] whoa [08:55] 1MByte/sec [08:56] 1.1 now [08:58] mikechelen, is that the wm you use with xubuntu ? [08:58] I was surprided at how fast e16 ran here when I tried it. [08:58] erg. need sleep. laters [08:59] artistxe, usually with damn small linux, it works fine with ubuntu too though [09:24] whoa [09:24] it works! [09:27] <_Pete_> famous last words :) [09:28] i guess it was just an issue in 9.04 [09:29] * SnowKitty installs [09:57] should i upgrade from 8.10 to 9.04...any opinions? [10:06] sure as long as there are no known problems for your hardware [10:10] woot [10:10] it's got Xchat :3 [10:13] yo [10:13] how do i change my touchpad's settings so that it doesnt act like a mouseclick when tapped? [10:15] !shm [10:15] Sorry, I don't know anything about shm [10:15] SnowKitty: you need to enable SHMConfig in your xorg.conf, then there are plenty of options you can use [10:16] o.o; [10:17] i'm sorry, i have no idea how to do that >.< [10:17] i dont have alot f experience with linux :/ [10:18] i dont know either :p [10:18] all i know is that you'll need to enable SHMConfig if you want to tweak your touchpad [10:19] damn [10:20] i HATE having it like this [10:20] its annoying [10:27] hi [10:27] if I create a USB Boot stick using Xbuntu instead of Ubuntu, will it take less space on a 1GB USB stick? [10:27] Pixels: its more or less the same space [10:28] thats too bad :( [10:28] i was hoping it took less [10:28] * Pixels cries [10:28] SiDi: you know trhat for fact, or you guessing? [10:30] I'm guessing [10:30] compare the size of the ubuntu & xubuntu iso's, Pixels [10:30] its more or less the same :p [10:31] thats not what I asked [10:31] there is an option to create a bootable USB stick in ubuntu [10:31] does xubuntu have to that too? [10:32] its called unetbootin if i'm not wrong [10:32] you can install it [10:32] everything in ubuntu can be obtained in xubuntu too, we have the same applications available, just not the same installed by default :p [10:33] ok... so if I create a boot USB stick through Xubuntu, how much space does it take on 1GB stick? [10:33] if you dont know, just say so [10:33] i dont want guessing [10:33] How would i know ? :P [10:33] SiDi = troll [10:33] Install and you'll see then [10:33] oh dear [10:47] does usb boot stick maker allow extra packages to be included? [10:48] you should use the OEM install tools for this [10:49] and once you built your OEM iso, put it on the key as you would do with an ubuntu iso [10:54] where is the oem install tool? [10:55] I think you'll need the alternate CD [10:55] and once you're in the cd's menu, press F6 for additional options, and theres the "Create an OEM image" one there [10:55] If my memory doesnt betray me ~ [11:09] hmm so how do you select packages from there? [11:10] because that is before networking gets brought up [11:10] brb [11:13] hello, I just installed xubuntu over an original ubuntu install, does anyone know a good way to purge unneeded packages to make sure nothing extra is being loaded from gnome? [11:14] brevolution: http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/purexfce [11:14] this should do it ;) [11:15] thanks [11:17] hmm, not quite, I still want to be able to run some gnome/kde apps, but I want to get rid of things like gnome's desktop background renderer (which happens to be what my next question's about) [11:18] I've got compiz running and want to keep it, and for a while it worked fine with xfce's background image loader, but something (I have no idea what) changed, and now gnome has control of background drawing [11:19] which wouldn't be a problem except for the fact that gnome only lets you use one image at a time, and I have 2 screens, xfce allows different backgrounds on different physical screens [11:21] if I reload the window manager I see the proper backgrounds flash for a second but the single-image gnome one covers them up almost immediately [11:24] and it worked fine for a while, then at one point it stopped; unfortunately I can't remember what I changed or installed around that time [11:27] brevolution: you probably have nautilus running somewhere [11:27] nautilus / thunar manage backgrounds in gnome / xfce [11:28] so I can't use nautilus and xfce's background manager at the same time? or is there a way to disable nautilus' control of that? [11:29] hi folks. external usb drive not being found. Nothing in dmesg about it being detected? [11:29] brevolution: you'd have to launch nautilus as "nautilus --no-background" [11:29] or no-desktop, im not sure :p [11:29] either, nautilus will just take control of your desktop [11:31] ugh [11:32] this runs like shit [11:32] i think it might be using software to render the screen [11:32] did'nt know sh*t was open source :) [11:32] it is :o [11:32] anyway [11:33] lol [11:33] the graphics problems are mostly gone [11:33] thanks, I'll see if I can find a way to have it always run that way......comes up that way on boot before I open any nautilus windows [11:33] but everything's running kinda slow and the system monitor says its idling at about 10-30% cpu use [11:34] also, even xchat is a little laggy when switching channel windows [11:34] I had problems with my inbult intel video being sluggish, but now since I moved to Xubuntu its working fine. [11:34] so im almost positive that its not using hardware for the video right now :/ it feels like windows when it uses the generic vga driver [11:35] i am on xubuntu :| [11:35] im probably gonna find another distro or just stick win2k back on this laptop [11:35] though if i can fix this up ill keep xubuntu on it [11:35] play around see what works for you [11:36] also, im getting minor graphic glitches [11:36] little bits of gargabe on some parts of the screen sometimes [11:37] its nowhere near as bad as it was under 9.04 though [11:37] I tried gentoo. very nice but alot of work at times when things so wrong [11:38] best I have had so far is puppylinux, but its a root only distro, its only down side [11:39] brevolution: there might be a nautilus preference setting to tell it not to touch the desktop [11:41] thanks, I think there is one actually, I remember seeing something similar when I was trying to find a solution in the forums, looking through gconf for it right now [11:42] how would i go about installing a driver on this? [11:42] i can find the linux driver for my video card on intels site [11:43] but i dunno how to use it [11:44] yep, found it, running nautilus -q cleared the gnome background, and there's an option in gconf to stop nautilus from rendering the desktop, you lose icon loading control too, but that's no issue for me [11:46] anyways if it doesnt load the desktop, xfdesktop will work properly and you'll have your wallpapers ; [11:48] ... [11:48] gahhhh [11:48] something is very wrong here [11:48] firefox has garbage all over the screen [11:53] dammit i give up [11:54] i wish this laptop had a better video card >.< [13:36] How do you disable the trash function? I want to just have the file deleted. [13:36] Why? Because when I delete something from an external hard drive it copies the whole file into internal hard drive to store in trash bin. [13:41] Hey all [13:41] what is the difference/advantage of xubuntu over kubuntu and ubuntu themselves? [13:41] isaac_: you can install a custom command in thunar [13:42] what about the process/memory leak issues in firefox and xorg in 9.4, does xubuntu have them, too? [13:43] isaac_: in thunar choose Edit-Configure Custom Commands. Then create a new command called Nuke, put in the command 'rm %f', and make sure it is applied to all files [13:43] xorg is in kubuntu 9.4 an extreme cpu hog (all the time over 70%) [13:43] I just don't see, where xubuntu jumps in. On the homepage the usual bs is written. No comparisons/benchmarking/whatever [13:45] neither firefox or xorg is using massive amounts of mem/cpu in my system [13:51] Slonkie, thanks, how much mem do you have? [13:51] 2gb, padi999 [13:53] Slonkie: well I only got 512M [13:53] so, 10% for you is 40% for me [13:54] :) [13:59] th0r where is nuke supposed to show up? [14:00] isaac_: if you created it correctly it will show up on the menu when you right click the file you want to delete [14:02] Yeah, I found it. "Appearance" doesn't mean how it looks, it means when it will appear. :/ [14:02] Thank you. [14:02] isaac_: and now that I think of it...you will probably need to add -f to the command ('rm -f %f'). But be aware that when you choose Nuke...it is too late to change your mind [14:02] Slonkie: the problem really is that when computers got better, newer distros put more functionality into their core packages thus assuming higher ram/better hardware. [14:03] This makes sense to some extent. [14:03] i see [14:03] so it "does not make sense" to update if you are stuck with years old hardware [14:04] good article about that: http://www.ibm.com/developerworks/library/l-linux-memory.html [14:04] padi999: what GPU do you have ? Cause xorg sucks with some intel GPUs in 9.04 [14:05] SiDi: well there's only that crappy Intel Media Acellerator, wait a sec. [14:06] SiDi: ah no: 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc Radeon RV250 [Mobility FireGL 9000] (rev 02) [14:07] Still can't get it to show up. [14:07] hello again, anyone have any idea why panel autohide would stop working? [14:07] brevolution do the settings still say they are set to autohide? [14:08] yes [14:08] tried turning it on and off and all that does is change how far maximized windows extend [14:08] hmmmm [14:08] padi999: that deserves the title 'crappy' imo : [14:10] SiDi: I'm just saying. In 8.10 I had even beryl running smoothly, now in 9.4 I can't even start openoffice within 60s [14:11] padi999: its because you dont have drivers for your GPU for xorg 1.6 [14:11] mostly because AMD drops support for their GPUs extremely fast [14:11] I wonder why, then i add Openoffice PPAs i can't update my openoffice [14:11] did you try the ATI opensource drivers ? [14:12] Slonkie: do you get errors about public keys ? [14:12] It says i can only do "Partial upgrade" and i'm not able to install any of the Openoffice updates [14:12] no i did get the keys SiDi :/ [14:12] Okay, now I'm getting ticked. [14:12] Slonkie: show me your /etc/apt/sources.list . you're on jaunty, right ? [14:13] When I open custom actions Thunar automatically jumps to the Videos folder for some reason. [14:13] sure SiDi [14:13] isaac_: use Shift+Suppr for directly deleting the files btw [14:13] hmmm...and for some reason wine won't show in the main menu even though it's enabled in the main menu settings editor [14:13] Thus, the Nuke icon only appears when I right click on something in the videos folder. [14:13] brevolution: there is no settings editor in Xubuntu :P [14:13] http://pastebin.com/m1f6645da there you go, SiDi ! [14:14] no menu editor * [14:14] How do I get a custom action to appear in ALL folders? [14:14] so Settings/Main Menu does nothing to the actual menu? [14:15] And SiDi I got the Shift. What is Suppr? [14:15] super is windows button [14:15] Ah [14:15] isaac_: shift+del [14:15] suppr is the french name for it, sorry x_x [14:15] oh lol [14:16] isaac_: also for your custom action, dont forget to look at the second tab of the custom actions editor : conditions of apparition [14:16] or whatever its called :p [14:16] Yes, I got that. It appears alright, but only when I right click something in Videos folder. [14:16] Slonkie: just like that, : gksudo software-properties-gtk check if its in double or not. And then do a "sudo apt-get update" and tell me the output [14:17] For some reason every time I open custom actions menu Thunar jumps to Videos folder. Thus any custom action I set will only work in Videos. [14:18] there one and theres one with (Source code) [14:18] That's not wrong, is it SiDi ? [14:18] is the checkbox "Folder contains videos" chcked isaac_ ? [14:18] Slonkie: its ok then, do an update in the console to see whats wrong [14:18] hey! any body knows if WUSB54GC wireless usb dongle, works with free drivers in inteprid [14:18] http://img245.imageshack.us/img245/8325/foo.png isaac_ [14:18] isaac_: tell me which checkboxes are checked/ [14:19] All [14:19] SiDi: aaahh! So should I revert back to 8.10? [14:20] http://pastebin.ca/1428698 <- SiDi, I don't see any errors :/ [14:20] padi999: if you cant get drivers for your GPU it could be the safest thing to do. [14:20] SiDi: I tried ati and radeon, yes. But now in 9.4 I don't know how, because it seems that xorg.conf has...changed :) [14:20] padi999: it has changed, alongside X.org itself :p [14:21] makes sense [14:21] Slonkie: sudo apt-get upgrade ? [14:21] http://pastebin.com/m1778a506 [14:21] SiDi: so how can I check if fglrx or ati or radeon is used? [14:22] padi999: i'm not sure, as i'm a nvidia user. what does lspci | grep VGA says ? [14:22] Ahhh, THAT explains it! [14:22] It just won't show up on desktop! [14:22] isaac_: tell me :p [14:23] padi999, on /var/loc/Xorg.log you can see what driver is used [14:23] But it will show in any folder. [14:23] SiDi: already pasted it before: 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc Radeon RV250 [Mobility FireGL 9000] (rev 02) [14:23] Well........ that stinks. But at least a whole 80 gigabyte folder won't try to copy from external hard drive to my internal hard drive's trash bin when I try to delete it now. [14:23] sorry, /var/log/... [14:23] Thankee all. [14:23] isaac_: i dont know if its wanted or not. You could ask JPohlmann about this, or write a bug report in bugs.launchpad.net against launchpad asking for actions on the desktop [14:24] Do you know why it's "keeping them back" SiDi ? [14:24] isaac_: Shift+Del does delete immediately btw :p [14:24] Nah, not worth it. It solves the problem with my external hard drive at least. [14:24] padi999: alright, i thought there could have been the driver name in it, but apparently now [14:24] One side question though...... why doesn't Xubuntu just make a trash folder on the external hard drive like it used to? [14:24] tavasti: good idea, it's RADEON [14:25] brb have to switch AP :) [14:25] Why does it copy the file I want to delete into the internal hard drive trash bin? [14:25] hey did you get the ari mobility radeon 9000 igp working? [14:25] padi999: try lsmod, looking for fglrx or vesa [14:25] isaac_: the external HDD is ntfs or vfat ? [14:26] Dunno. I think ntfs. [14:26] Maybe fat32 [14:27] isaac_: i dont know if it can host a linux trash. It could also be a permissions problem [14:27] :/ [14:27] Oh well, at least problem is solved. [14:27] Thankee much. [14:28] Slonkie: Some packages may appear as 'kept back' in case of not fully update integration. e.g. Open office usually being kept back until currently installed language packs for the current version of it are in the repositories. [14:28] from ubuntuforums [14:28] hmm [14:29] that's bad :( [14:32] ls [14:32] There's no way to force this update, SiDi ? :P [14:32] fehrp, ls: command not found [14:32] somehow my other nick (padi999) is stuck in nirvana-land :) [14:33] or upgrade* [14:34] Slonkie: i dont know [14:34] All right, thanks anyway! === fehrp is now known as padi999 [14:34] SiDi: so I'm using the radeon driver then. [14:35] Is there another driver suggested for 9.4? [14:35] hello [14:36] hi [14:38] dual booting with Windows, I have installed xubuntu without a boot loader .. since GRUB was not able to load the system for some reason (kept giving error during loading).. [14:38] is there a way to have xubuntu listed in the boot options ? [14:39] afawaz: you mean from the windows boot? I don't think so, windows cannot do ext3 or ext4 filesystems. [14:40] th0r: no not from windows boot. I have already suse installed on the system.. I thought of trying xubuntu and didnt want to mess the boot loader setup.. [14:40] wondering if I can add that to grub/linux.. but not sure how [14:40] afawaz: if you are using the suse grub then yes, you can just add the ubuntu partition to menu.lst [14:41] see my memory usage here: http://pastebin.com/m793bf4b9 [14:41] th0r: how ? :) a link or hint would be appreciated.. [14:42] if you want I can list to you grub entries file.. [14:42] afawaz: I am looking...give me a minute [14:42] thank you [14:43] afawaz: here are two....http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-800302.html....http://www.linuxforums.org/forum/debian-linux-help/112712-lines-grub-menu-lst-debian-install.html [14:44] afawaz: what partition did you put ubuntu onto? [14:46] th0r: menu.1st is available here: http://pastebin.com/m2f25b674 [14:46] afawaz: what is the ubuntu partition? [14:47] th0r: it is the 1st partition of /dev/disk/by-id/usb-WD_* [14:48] th0r: its swap is the second.. [14:48] afawaz: I see three hard drives in menu.lst, is ubuntu on one of those or have you added another? [14:49] th0r: no, ubuntu is not listen there.. [14:49] ubuntu's partition [14:50] what if I add: [14:50] title ubuntu [14:51] root (hd1,1) [14:51] kernel /boot/...etc ? root=/dev/disk/by-id/usb-WD...-part1 [14:52] afawaz: ok....I have not installed to a usb drive (which is what I assume you are using), but here goes. Copy the Suse lines and rename it Ubuntu. Change the kernel and initrd lines to match the ubuntu install. I am not sure about the root...it should be (hdx,0), but I am not sure what x should be. (numbering of partitions starts at zero in the hd part [14:52] initrd /boot/initrd [14:52] ok [14:52] afawaz: the initrd needs the same initrd name that is in the ubuntu /boot dir [14:53] afawaz: and the kernel does as well. [14:53] th0r: for numbering of drive/partiton I will find my way, but what about the kernel's name ? [14:53] afawaz: the kernel and initrd names have to match the ubuntu names exactly...mount the second drive while in suse and verify them [14:54] as listed in suse entry, I dont think ubuntu is using the same [14:54] afawaz: no...mount the ubuntu usb drive while in suse, then you can look in /media/usbdrive/boot and see what the ubuntu filenames are [14:55] ok [14:55] ok thats a good hint.. thank you [15:13] I am not able to.. [15:13] I need the path of the default kernel exact name to have it added to menu.1st [15:15] Hola! [15:16] can someone help a poor sole who upgraded to 9.04 without reading the bumpf about ati cards - whats the best way to go - downgrade - or open source ati drivers¿? [15:17] xububu, have you tried changing your driver to radeon/radeonhd in xorg.conf? [15:17] xububu, btw, what card do you have? [15:19] afawaz: why can't you mount the ubuntu drive from suse? [15:19] I am new to linux, sorry.. I am not sure how to do it [15:19] No - upgraded laptop - ok, but lat last night, decided to upgrade my pc, so I'm just looking for a helping hand on what to do or where to look - have no problem reading the forums, but there's lots of unhappy people, but not many poistive ideas - I'll give it ago. Any sites I should check out for more info? [15:20] Its that ATI saphire 9500 (need to open the box to check for sure) [15:21] Don't use suse- but I do have Opensolaris up and running, so I will mount from there [15:21]