[23:19] <mccann> hi anyone know what the last working version of the UNR live image is?  the current one seems to segfault on boot
[23:28] <bratsche> Neil would know, but he's probably asleep.
[23:28] <bratsche> Either that or getting drunk. :)
[23:28] <bratsche> Hang on, I'll take a quick peek around and see if he's here.
[23:34] <bratsche> mccann: He said you should just use the Jaunty image for now.
[23:34] <bratsche> mccann: But don't use the desktop switcher he said.
[23:34] <mccann> ok - trying that now :)  thanks
[23:34] <mccann> yeah realized that the first one i tried is a nightly...
[23:35] <bratsche> He didn't seem to be aware of the segfault happening, but we have All Hands this week and it's hard to get much time for hacking right now.
[23:35] <mccann> ok - yeah bailed out into the initrd busybox
[23:35] <bratsche> Next week is UDS, and I'm not sure if it will be much better for hacking.. I hope so. :)
[23:36] <mccann> is there a channel for UNR stuff or is it ok to talk about it here?
[23:36] <mccann> once the meeting is over that is
[23:36] <bratsche> You can talk about it here.  There might be another channel that I'm not aware of though.
[23:36] <bratsche> But njpatel is the guy to talk to, and I think he hangs out here.
[23:36] <mccann> curious about UNR vs. moblin - your views etc
[23:37] <bratsche> I don't have views yet, I haven't even seen the moblin videos yet.
[23:37] <bratsche> I think I'm the only person who hasn't. :)
[23:37] <mccann> i'm doing a bit of side by side now
[23:37] <mccann> (or trying to) :)
[23:37] <bratsche> I've heard some talk from other people, but been busy with events at All Hands and trying to find hacking time in between everything so I keep forgetting to try to look at it.
[23:40] <mccann> yup the jaunty one boots fine - thanks!
[23:40] <bratsche> Nice!
[23:41] <bratsche> mccann: So I'm moving out of Baltimore again already. :)
[23:41] <bratsche> That didn't last long ;)
[23:41] <mccann> oh yeah - to where?
[23:41] <bratsche> Eh, just back to Dallas.  I kind of like east coast better, but just decided Baltimore was only cool when I was in school.  Now I don't like it so much.
[23:42] <mccann> ah
[23:42] <mccann> it is a odd place
[23:42] <mccann> *an
[23:42] <bratsche> I was sort of not enjoying it too much, and then a few weeks ago some guys attacked me and I was like, "wtf am I here for again??"
[23:42] <mccann> oh jeez
[23:43] <bratsche> bleh
[23:43] <mccann> that's awful
[23:44] <bratsche> I know stuff like that happens in any city, but it feels like it happens more there than other places I've been.
[23:44] <bratsche> One guy I know got held up at gunpoint right next to the Walters Art Museum on Charles St.. which I thought was a relatively decent part of town.
[23:44] <mccann> well yes and no
[23:45] <mccann> a lot of people see the charles village area as a target
[23:45] <mccann> same with mt vernon
[23:45] <bratsche> I guess because of schools nearby.
[23:45] <mccann> yeah
[23:45] <ScottK> It kind of goes with being in the city I think.
[23:45] <mccann> perceptions of race and class
[23:45] <bratsche> Which is probably why Baltimore feels so ghetto and crappy to me, since those are the areas I've been in most. :)
[23:45]  * ScottK went to college in Philadelphoa and same story there.
[23:45] <ScottK> phoa/phia
[23:45] <bratsche> I'm sure there are nicer areas, and I just haven't been to them.
[23:46] <bratsche> ScottK: Yeah, I've heard that about Philly but the areas I've been to there seemed nice.  So I'm sure it's just as mccann says.
[23:47] <ScottK> I was recently back in west Philly for the first time in a long time and it's a lot nicer than it used to be, but there are still clearly areas not to be out late in.
[23:47] <bratsche> mccann: How's Boston?  It always seems really nice there to me.
[23:47]  * ScottK lives west of Baltimore, BTW.
[23:47] <mccann> boston is great
[23:47] <bratsche> ScottK: Oh cool.  I'm kind of in Mt. Vernon / downtown
[23:48] <ScottK> bratsche: I'm in Ellicott City
[23:48] <bratsche> Cool, I've heard of that.
[23:48] <bratsche> But not been there.
[23:48] <mccann> bratsche: so i heard that you've been looking into client side decorations
[23:49] <bratsche> mccann: Yeah, a bit.  I started with some code that alexl wrote for directfb, but now I rewrote what I was doing so it's all in GtkWindow proper.
[23:49] <mccann> cool
[23:49] <mccann> i was talking to krh earlier
[23:50] <mccann> bratsche: have you played with gnome-shell at all?
[23:50] <bratsche> I want to try to get most of this done (at least the gtk side of it) before the end of UDS.  I got my manager to approve for me to work on the Win32 side of client-side-windows again and finish that, because alexl told me we need to get that done before we can get csw integrated into gtk+
[23:50] <bratsche> mccann: No, I haven't but I'm kind of interested to play with it more.  I did install it and run it, but I didn't get a chance to look into the code any yet.
[23:52] <bratsche> mccann: Are you working on gnome-shell?
[23:52] <mccann> somewhat.. mostly on the design
[23:52] <bratsche> Nice
[23:53] <bratsche> I'm on theming-related stuff for the moment, and client-side decorations seemed like an interesting thing to work on in that realm.
[23:53] <mccann> for sure
[23:54] <bratsche> And it kind of fits into the netbook work somewhat, because we'd like to be able to collapse the titlebar/menubar if possible to save some precious vertical screen space.
[23:54] <bratsche> Not sure yet how that's going to work though, but this was kind of a first step.
[23:55] <mccann> yeah 
[23:55] <mccann> seems to me that there are opportunities to work together here... the shell might be useful on netbooks
[23:56] <bratsche> The only problem is that I'm not sure UNR can commit to a GL requirement all the time.
[23:57] <mccann> as neil knows since he was involved in the original design...
[23:57] <bratsche> But Neil really is the person to talk to about this.
[23:57] <mccann> oh gl yeah
[23:58] <mccann> do you have a list of devices that you need to support?
[23:58] <bratsche> I don't, but Neil might.
[23:58] <mccann> we've been doing a lot of hardware enablement work too
[23:58] <bratsche> Nice!