=== doctormo_ is now known as doctormo === MaWaLe1 is now known as MaWaLe === SiDi_ is now known as SiDi === MaWaLe1 is now known as MaWaLe [23:19] hi anyone know what the last working version of the UNR live image is? the current one seems to segfault on boot [23:28] Neil would know, but he's probably asleep. [23:28] Either that or getting drunk. :) [23:28] Hang on, I'll take a quick peek around and see if he's here. [23:34] mccann: He said you should just use the Jaunty image for now. [23:34] mccann: But don't use the desktop switcher he said. [23:34] ok - trying that now :) thanks [23:34] yeah realized that the first one i tried is a nightly... [23:35] He didn't seem to be aware of the segfault happening, but we have All Hands this week and it's hard to get much time for hacking right now. [23:35] ok - yeah bailed out into the initrd busybox [23:35] Next week is UDS, and I'm not sure if it will be much better for hacking.. I hope so. :) [23:36] is there a channel for UNR stuff or is it ok to talk about it here? [23:36] once the meeting is over that is [23:36] You can talk about it here. There might be another channel that I'm not aware of though. [23:36] But njpatel is the guy to talk to, and I think he hangs out here. [23:36] curious about UNR vs. moblin - your views etc [23:37] I don't have views yet, I haven't even seen the moblin videos yet. [23:37] I think I'm the only person who hasn't. :) [23:37] i'm doing a bit of side by side now [23:37] (or trying to) :) [23:37] I've heard some talk from other people, but been busy with events at All Hands and trying to find hacking time in between everything so I keep forgetting to try to look at it. [23:40] yup the jaunty one boots fine - thanks! [23:40] Nice! [23:41] mccann: So I'm moving out of Baltimore again already. :) [23:41] That didn't last long ;) [23:41] oh yeah - to where? [23:41] Eh, just back to Dallas. I kind of like east coast better, but just decided Baltimore was only cool when I was in school. Now I don't like it so much. [23:42] ah [23:42] it is a odd place [23:42] *an [23:42] I was sort of not enjoying it too much, and then a few weeks ago some guys attacked me and I was like, "wtf am I here for again??" [23:42] oh jeez [23:43] bleh [23:43] that's awful [23:44] I know stuff like that happens in any city, but it feels like it happens more there than other places I've been. [23:44] One guy I know got held up at gunpoint right next to the Walters Art Museum on Charles St.. which I thought was a relatively decent part of town. [23:44] well yes and no [23:45] a lot of people see the charles village area as a target [23:45] same with mt vernon [23:45] I guess because of schools nearby. [23:45] yeah [23:45] It kind of goes with being in the city I think. [23:45] perceptions of race and class [23:45] Which is probably why Baltimore feels so ghetto and crappy to me, since those are the areas I've been in most. :) [23:45] * ScottK went to college in Philadelphoa and same story there. [23:45] phoa/phia [23:45] I'm sure there are nicer areas, and I just haven't been to them. [23:46] ScottK: Yeah, I've heard that about Philly but the areas I've been to there seemed nice. So I'm sure it's just as mccann says. [23:47] I was recently back in west Philly for the first time in a long time and it's a lot nicer than it used to be, but there are still clearly areas not to be out late in. [23:47] mccann: How's Boston? It always seems really nice there to me. [23:47] * ScottK lives west of Baltimore, BTW. [23:47] boston is great [23:47] ScottK: Oh cool. I'm kind of in Mt. Vernon / downtown [23:48] bratsche: I'm in Ellicott City [23:48] Cool, I've heard of that. [23:48] But not been there. [23:48] bratsche: so i heard that you've been looking into client side decorations [23:49] mccann: Yeah, a bit. I started with some code that alexl wrote for directfb, but now I rewrote what I was doing so it's all in GtkWindow proper. [23:49] cool [23:49] i was talking to krh earlier [23:50] bratsche: have you played with gnome-shell at all? [23:50] I want to try to get most of this done (at least the gtk side of it) before the end of UDS. I got my manager to approve for me to work on the Win32 side of client-side-windows again and finish that, because alexl told me we need to get that done before we can get csw integrated into gtk+ [23:50] mccann: No, I haven't but I'm kind of interested to play with it more. I did install it and run it, but I didn't get a chance to look into the code any yet. [23:52] mccann: Are you working on gnome-shell? [23:52] somewhat.. mostly on the design [23:52] Nice [23:53] I'm on theming-related stuff for the moment, and client-side decorations seemed like an interesting thing to work on in that realm. [23:53] for sure [23:54] And it kind of fits into the netbook work somewhat, because we'd like to be able to collapse the titlebar/menubar if possible to save some precious vertical screen space. [23:54] Not sure yet how that's going to work though, but this was kind of a first step. [23:55] yeah [23:55] seems to me that there are opportunities to work together here... the shell might be useful on netbooks [23:56] The only problem is that I'm not sure UNR can commit to a GL requirement all the time. [23:57] as neil knows since he was involved in the original design... [23:57] But Neil really is the person to talk to about this. [23:57] oh gl yeah [23:58] do you have a list of devices that you need to support? [23:58] I don't, but Neil might. [23:58] we've been doing a lot of hardware enablement work too [23:58] Nice!