[00:01] <lex79> we can merge kmplayer-base and kmplayer-konq-plugin in kmplayer
[00:01] <JontheEchidna> yeah, we should probably do that. I can't think of any reason not to
[00:03] <lex79> JontheEchidna: add transitional packages for kmplayer-base and kmplayer-konq-plugin ?
[00:04] <JontheEchidna> one for kmplayer-base should be sufficient since kmplayer-konq-plugins depends on kmplayer-base
[00:05] <lex79> right
[01:06]  * ScottK taps his fingers and waits for a|wen to show up...
[01:06] <ScottK> The difference between arm and armel in a merge he did is why all of Qt/KDE FTBFS on armel in Karmic.
[01:08] <JontheEchidna> ScottK: would you mind sponsoring bug 378765
[01:09] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: How close do I have to check it?
[01:09] <JontheEchidna> I pbuilt
[01:10] <JontheEchidna> dunno if you'll want to check it again To Be Safe (tm)
[01:10] <ScottK> Well the bug doesn't have a debdiff against the Debian package that I see, so let's get that first.
[01:11] <JontheEchidna> oh, right. I forgot that
[01:13] <JontheEchidna> ScottK: attached
[01:13]  * ScottK deigns to look
[01:14] <JontheEchidna> ah, #debian/aboutdata_add_debian_version.diff in debian/patches/series needs to be removed entirely
[01:20] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: Why?  It doesn't hurt anything.
[01:21] <JontheEchidna> debian removed it entirely, though I suppose it's not that big of a delta
[01:25] <ScottK> Removed
[01:42] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: Uploaded.  Thank you for your contribution to Kubuntu
[03:28] <lex79> JontheEchidna: around?
[03:42] <lex79> there are two versions of qt-creator:
[03:42] <lex79> https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/qtcreator
[03:42] <lex79> https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/qt-creator
[03:42] <lex79> in Karmic
[03:42] <ScottK> lex79: We need to get sync'ed with Debian on what to call it.
[03:43] <ScottK> Is there any reason not to just use Debian's and have ours removed?
[03:45] <lex79> ScottK: I'm looking, I think we can remove our package
[03:45] <lex79> qt-creator and keep qtcreator
[03:46] <daskreech> \o/ Identi.ca rants
[03:46] <daskreech> hi hunger_t
[03:47] <ScottK> lex79: It'll need a transitonal package added for Karmic to move people over to qt-creator.
[03:47] <daskreech> how goes decibel?
[03:50] <lex79> ScottK: and where we have add the transitional package? in qtcreator, right?
[03:50] <ScottK> lex79: Yes, a dummy qt-creator package that depends on qtcreator
[03:50] <lex79> before that there is a new version to sync with debian http://packages.qa.debian.org/q/qtcreator.html
[03:50] <lex79> ok Scott
[03:51] <ScottK> lex79: Have it already: qtcreator |    1.1.0-1 | karmic/universe | source, amd64, i386
[03:51] <lex79> oh right, sorry
[03:52] <lex79> so , I will do a transitional package :)
[03:52] <ScottK> lex79: Then a removal bug for the qt-creator source
[03:53] <lex79> fine
[03:53] <ScottK> kde4libs is the shlibdeps stage on hppa, I'm a little nervous.
[03:56] <lex79> I'm not expert, but I think hppa, armel etc -> nervous :)
[04:00] <ScottK> Yeah.
[04:01] <ScottK> There was a problem in our boost1.35 package for armel, I fixed that and so it seems to be going OK now.
[04:08] <lex79> ScottK: I have also to add conflicts/replaces in qtcreator?
[04:09] <rgreening> hey ScottK
[04:09] <rgreening> Im so peeved with American Idol results.
[04:10] <rgreening> stupid public popularity contests elect less talented individuals
[04:10] <rgreening> just like they elect presidents :)
[04:11] <daskreech> http://www.kde-look.org/content/preview.php?preview=2&id=45764&file1=45764-1.jpg&file2=45764-2.jpg&file3=&name=Ubuntu+Baby&PHPSESSID=2f9eaae3edcafc910f374fc1c41ca1c4
[04:12] <daskreech> Well Presidential elections are not a judement of skill or abilty
[04:12] <daskreech> they are purely a judgement of popularity
[04:12] <ScottK> lex79: conflict qtcreator less than 1.1.0-1ubuntu1
[04:12] <ScottK> daskreech: Except they aren't even that as you don't need to get the most votes from people to win.
[04:12] <lex79> ok
[04:13] <daskreech> Just more than the other guys :)
[04:13] <ScottK> It's actually a reflection of popularity is the relative handful of states that are well balanced between Republicans and Democrats.
[04:14] <ScottK> daskreech: No, you can lose the popular vote, but win the electoral vote and be president.  It's happened several times.
[04:14] <daskreech> Oh in the American system
[04:14] <daskreech> well then you are the most popular in the electoral
[04:14]  * vorian stays out of this conversation
[04:14]  * daskreech ropes vorian in 
[04:15] <ScottK> Right, but not having the most people voting for you.
[04:15] <ScottK> For example, i live in Maryland.  It is a heavily democratic state.
[04:15] <daskreech> You have an opinion on spaces in qtcreator. Outwith it!!
[04:15] <vorian> ScottK: has anyone started work on your ealier paste?
[04:15] <ScottK> AFAIK, no Presidental candidate ever came to visit the state because everyone knew how it would work out.
[04:16] <ScottK> vorian: Not AFAIK.
[04:16] <daskreech> well I never made that claim :) Just that it's heavily more a judgement of popularity than skill talent or ability
[04:16] <vorian> ok
[04:16] <ScottK> daskreech: Sure, but then this is where the wisdom of Winston Churchill comes in.
[04:17] <daskreech> See I just pulled that quote with someone else not 15 minutes ago
[04:17] <ScottK> He said something along the lines of (I'm paraphrasing): "Demcracy is a horrible form of government, it's just better than all the others we've come up with".
[04:17] <ScottK> Heh
[04:18] <daskreech> But in application to Slovakia
[04:18] <daskreech> Democracy is the worst form of government, except for all those other forms that have been tried from time to time
[04:18] <daskreech> (attributed) :-)
[04:19] <ScottK> That's it.
[04:20]  * ScottK notes that ScottK as king of the world has not been proven to be worse.
[04:26]  * daskreech predicts it being just as worse :)
[04:27] <ScottK> For you, probably
[04:34] <ScottK> OK.  kde4libs built on all archs ....
[04:37] <vorian> yay, time to crack out olde sparky
[04:39] <ScottK> Even though I'm pretty certain no one will run KDE4 on (for example) hppa, I think it's good software QA to get it built on all archs.  Usually the things that cause problems are real bugs.
[04:50] <lex79> launchpad bug 378910
[04:51] <lex79> uhm, transitonal :)
[10:46] <cbr> when watching a video with mplayerplug-in, kwin with composite always goes 80% cpu and stays that way
[10:46] <cbr> really annoying
[10:47] <cbr> switching compositing off and on again helps
[12:38]  * Riddell tries amarok for the fourth time and hopes the build-deps are right
[12:44] <Riddell> new plasma-widget-network-manager is in jaunty-proposed, please test
[12:44] <Riddell> bug 334052 and bug 330811 and probably others
[12:49] <Mamarok> just tried to upgrade kstars and get the following:
[12:49] <Mamarok> dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/libindi0_0.6-0ubuntu1_amd64.deb (--unpack): trying to overwrite `/usr/bin/indiserver', which is also in package indi
[13:34] <rgreening> bug #46657 - still occurs for me
[13:35] <JontheEchidna> oh, rgreening:
[13:35] <JontheEchidna> [07:49:31] <Mamarok> dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/libindi0_0.6-0ubuntu1_amd64.deb (--unpack): trying to overwrite `/usr/bin/indiserver', which is also in package indi
[13:35] <vorian> huh
[13:35] <rgreening> heh
[13:36] <JontheEchidna> when she tried to update kstars
[13:36] <vorian> that would be from debian, because we changed that in 4.2 beta
[13:36] <JontheEchidna> this whole indi/libindi crap is confusing
[13:39] <rgreening> "we meet again dr. jones"
[13:41] <rgreening> JontheEchidna: I opened a pbuilder last night and installed every kde meta package from 4.2.2 and did an upgrade to 4.2.85... I'll review that today and come up with a list of things we need to fix. If a couple of us can chip in, we should be able to fix in short order.
[13:43] <rgreening> JontheEchidna, vorian: here's a short list I have found so far: http://paste.ubuntu.com/177177/
[13:43] <JontheEchidna> there are some I just don't get, like the kdebase-runtime-data conflicting on a file that isnt' in kde-icons-oxygen at all
[13:43] <JontheEchidna> and it properly replacing the version that had it last
[13:44] <ScottK> I had that same thing in my test from yesterday.
[13:45] <rgreening> one thing I noticed was that I did the update, and when it failed, I did an install -f and it worked. No force-overwrite required.
[13:46] <rgreening> also, I did a dist-upgrade rather than a upgrade right from the beginning.
[13:51] <ScottK> Mine from yesterday was a dist-upgrade from Jaunty
[13:52] <rgreening> ScottK: and did you have to force override?
[13:52] <ScottK> I didn't try.
[13:52] <rgreening> I think install -f may have worked there
[13:52] <ScottK> I probably should have.
[13:53] <rgreening> JontheEchidna: the oxygen file conflict is in the old oxygen icons
[13:53] <rgreening> I just checked
[13:53] <JontheEchidna> but it replaces the old oxygen icons :(
[13:54] <rgreening> I think we need to conflict old oxy icons with new kdebase-runtime-data
[13:59] <ScottK> I'm re-running the test.
[14:15]  * rgreening isn't that great with conflicts/replaces targeting
[14:18] <Nightrose> tentative schedule for amarok 2.1 final tagging is next friday
[14:19]  * Nightrose would love to get some more lubuntu testers
[14:19] <Nightrose> *Kubuntu
[14:29]  * tvakah is running karmic
[14:31] <cbr> oh crap, what the hell
[14:31] <cbr> the calendar app in 4.3 shows national holidays
[14:33] <ScottK> rgreening: http://paste.ubuntu.com:80/177210/ is the only problem that apt-get -f install didn't fix.
[14:34] <ScottK> i think the problem is that if there is a cross conflict between packages, apt can't really resolve it.
[14:34] <cbr> dpkg -i --force-all fixes all
[14:34] <ScottK> cbr: Our goal it to avoid the need for that.
[14:35] <ScottK> That's a work around, not a solution
[14:35] <cbr> yes, obviously :p
[14:36] <tvakah> hmm, no core kde package depends on kde-base-icons yet
[14:36] <tvakah> only envyng-qt and quassel-data
[14:36] <tvakah> so if you don't have either of those, and upgrade to karmic, all your icons mysteriously go away until you go poking through apt
[14:36] <tvakah> depends on kde-icon-oxygen*
[14:36] <tvakah> not kde-base-icons which doesn't exist
[14:39] <ScottK> We'll add it to kubuntu-desktop if nothing else.
[14:45] <ScottK> In fact I'm adding it right now.
[14:46] <tvakah> shouldn't soemthing a little farther down pull it in rather than kubuntu-desktop?
[14:46] <tvakah> since kde-anything really assums to have a default icon theme whether you're gettingit as part of kubuntu or not
[14:47] <vorian> i need to find a sponsor please :)
[14:47] <vorian> http://machine-crusade.net/chm2pdf/chm2pdf.debdiff
[14:50] <JontheEchidna> kdelibs for KDE3 depended on the crystal icon theme
[14:50] <JontheEchidna> since kde-oxygen-icons is no longer part of kdebase-runtime, perhaps kdelibs5 should depend on it
[14:50] <vorian> JontheEchidna: can you sponsor that for me please?  <3
[14:51] <JontheEchidna> vorian: machine-crusade is failing to load here
[14:51] <vorian> http://machinecrusade.net/chm2pdf/chm2pdf.debdiff
[14:51] <vorian> sorry
[14:51] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: Maybe.  In the meantime, kubuntu-desktop
[14:52] <JontheEchidna> vorian: that's not working either :(
[14:52] <vorian> pfft
[14:53] <ScottK> Same here (for machine crusade)
[14:53] <vorian> ok then
[14:53] <vorian> http://paste.ubuntu.com/177221/
[14:54] <Riddell> doods
[14:54] <Riddell> amarok packages
[14:54] <Riddell> please test from https://edge.launchpad.net/~jr/+archive/ppa
[14:54] <Riddell> I've no idea if they'll work, they did for me but only after a second install
[14:54] <Riddell> Nightrose: ^^
[14:55] <Nightrose> Riddell: great - i'll test in a sec
[14:55] <Nightrose> thx
[14:55]  * ScottK waves to Riddell.
[14:55] <Riddell> ScottK: hola chico
[14:55]  * ScottK thinks Riddell sounds somewhat Spanish today.
[14:56] <Riddell> muchos buenos
[14:56] <Nightrose> Riddell: doesn't it need a special mysql package as well?
[14:57] <Riddell> Nightrose: shouldn't do, it's all statically compiled
[14:57] <Nightrose> ok
[14:57]  * Nightrose downloads
[14:58] <Riddell> Nightrose: are you on karic?
[14:58] <Nightrose> meh - nope :D
[14:58] <Riddell> ok we need a karmic tester before I do the backport thing
[14:58] <Nightrose> k
[14:59] <ScottK> Riddell: I'm updating kubuntu-meta.  I assume "Removed openoffice.org-kde from desktop-recommends" is something we want (for now)?
[14:59] <Riddell> I need to run off now, team building
[14:59] <Riddell> ScottK: there is no oo.o-kde for now so we didn't have a choice
[14:59] <Riddell> anything else is a discussion for UDS
[15:00] <ScottK> Riddell: OK.
[15:01]  * JontheEchidna tells pbuilder to go faster
[15:04] <JontheEchidna> vorian: ftbfs
[15:04] <vorian> ug
[15:04] <JontheEchidna> Patch multi_filename_fix.diff does not apply (enforce with -f)
[15:04] <vorian> i pasted the wrong debdiff
[15:04] <vorian> sorry
[15:04] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: I think actually building is optional in this new freewheeling modern era.
[15:05] <vorian> ScottK: wha?
[15:05] <ScottK> Nevermind me, just feeling sarcastic this morning.
[15:05] <vorian> yay, fun ScottK is back!
[15:06] <JontheEchidna> lol
[15:06] <ScottK> tvakah: kde-icons-oxygen is now part of kubuntu-desktop so that's at least a temporary solution (this is in Karmic)
[15:10] <ScottK> Anyone looking for a "Fun" job to do?
[15:10] <ScottK> One of the questions for UDS is "What boost version in Main for Karmic".
[15:11] <ScottK> I know it's not 1.35 (where we are now) as that's been removed from Debian and we'll want to kill it too.
[15:11] <ScottK> The options are 1.37 or 1.38 (in the archive as of earlier today).
[15:12] <ScottK> So the question is, does our stuff build against either or both of those releases?
[15:12] <JontheEchidna> the job would be testing if it does?
[15:12] <ScottK> Yep
[15:13] <ScottK> make some new ppa and build our stack against them
[15:13] <ScottK> make some new three or four PPA probably
[15:13] <ScottK> KDE and OOo are the major boost users in Main
[15:13] <ScottK> OOo already moved to 1.37
[15:14] <ScottK> Debian is aiming at 1.38 for Squeeze, so that would be a reasonable target
[15:27] <vorian> ok, fixored
[15:27] <vorian> http://paste.ubuntu.com/177243/plain/
[15:37] <JontheEchidna> vorian: looking
[15:46] <JontheEchidna> vorian: uploaded, thanks for your contribution to Ubuntu
[15:46] <vorian> JontheEchidna: ya, ya, ya :P
[15:46] <vorian> thanks for the upload
[15:47] <JontheEchidna> feels a bit... weird, but I suppose I owe ya some ;-)
[15:49] <vorian> you don't owe me anything :)
[15:54] <ScottK> UDS presentation done and mailed ....
[16:19] <blueyed> Is somebody working on the amarok beta2 packaging?
[16:21] <ScottK> blueyed: On Karmic by chance?
[16:21] <ScottK> blueyed: If so https://edge.launchpad.net/~jr/+archive/ppa - testers wanted
[16:21] <blueyed> me? yes.
[16:21] <blueyed> great.
[16:22] <ScottK> So the answer to your actual question is: Yes.
[16:27] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: I just noticed you've got a stack of un-uploaded -workspace changes in bzr.  Are those still good?
[16:28] <JontheEchidna> ScottK: yup, must have forgotten to ask for sponsorship
[16:28] <ScottK> OK.  That seems to cover a bunch of the remaining issues.
[16:29] <ScottK> I got something to add, so I'll do it.
[16:36] <ScottK> rgreening and vorian: I'm sponsoring some of JontheEchidna's fixes that got overlooked on the weekend.  That may solve a chunk of the remaining problems.
[16:40] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: Uploaded.
[16:45] <ScottK> Does python-qt4 need to be updated for the phonon change?
[17:06] <rgreening> ScottK: cool. I'll re-test after they build
[17:06] <rgreening> ScottK: do you know if they got uploaded to PPA? JontheEchidna?
[17:06] <ScottK> No idea
[17:06] <rgreening> as I am testing a pure Jaunty upgrade
[17:06] <rgreening> not karmic
[17:07] <ScottK> I've been logging into my jaunty pbuilder and then doing a dist-upgrade to karmic
[17:07] <JontheEchidna> I pushed all my fixes to jaunty in tandem with bzr
[17:08] <rgreening> ok, then we still have some issues...
[17:08] <ScottK> rgreening or JontheEchidna: Have you done any of the phonon patching?
[17:08] <rgreening> ScottK: in karmic? yes
[17:09] <rgreening> Phonon/Global needs to be replaced wherever it exists
[17:09] <ScottK> rgreening: Would you look at python-qt4 and see if it needs some love in that area.
[17:10] <rgreening> Sosure. I don't expect it does.
[17:10] <rgreening> sure... i mean
[17:11] <rgreening> grep -R Phonon * | grep Global returns nothing
[17:11] <rgreening> ScottK: ^
[17:11] <ScottK> OK.
[17:11] <rgreening> ScottK: it should only be KDE packages requiring this (I expect). JontheEchidna, thoughts?
[17:12] <ScottK> Well I was looking at https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/python-qt4/4.4.4-2ubuntu6/+build/942747/+files/buildlog_ubuntu-jaunty-hppa.python-qt4_4.4.4-2ubuntu6_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz and it seemed to be complaining about phonon something (this was still Jaunty), so I thought it might
[17:13] <ScottK> It build-deps on libphonon-dev (>= 4:4.2.0-2)
[17:13] <rgreening> ScottK: in Jaunty we use the KDE phonon
[17:13] <rgreening> libphonon is kde
[17:13] <ScottK> Right, but that's why I thought we needed to change it for Karmic
[17:13] <ScottK> It's still libphonon-dev in Karmic
[17:13] <rgreening> ScottK: oh... maybe
[17:13] <rgreening> let me look again
[17:14] <ScottK> rgreening: It even builds python-qt4-phonon
[17:14] <rgreening> ScottK: is there a way to find all references to libphonon in karmic debian dirs?
[17:15] <ScottK> pbuilder login and then use the reverse-build-depends script on libphonon-dev
[17:16] <ScottK> That answers the 'what packages need changing' question.
[17:16] <rgreening> ScottK: that's what I need... I can start looking at that.
[17:16] <ScottK> OK.
[17:17] <rgreening> ScottK: how do you run that script?
[17:17] <ScottK> It's in ubuntu-dev-tools and so install that and then (IIRC) reverse-build-depends libphonon-dev
[17:17] <rgreening> k.
[17:18] <ScottK> I'll look at python-qt4
[17:19] <rgreening> K. ScottK replace libphonon-dev with libqt4-phonon-dev (>= 4.5.1)
[17:20] <ScottK> OK.  Thanks.
[17:20] <rgreening> np
[17:20] <rgreening> simple edit :)
[17:20] <ScottK> rgreening: The one in kde4libs is unversioned, FYI.  You may want to fix that then.
[17:21] <rgreening> sure.
[17:23] <rgreening> ScottK: in a pbuilder session, is there an easy way to tell what dist its working from?
[17:23] <ScottK> rgreening: Look in /etc/apt/sources.list
[17:23] <rgreening> true... my brain is on overload.
[17:23] <rgreening> and just though of cat /etc/issue
[17:23] <rgreening> lol
[17:29] <rgreening> ScottK: vim.tiny doesn't appear to be in karmic? makes pbuilder sessions a real bummer
[17:29] <ScottK> apt-get install vim
[17:29] <rgreening> ScottK: yeah, thats the full package. vim.tiny was a minimal one
[17:30] <rgreening> less deps
[17:30] <rgreening> ScottK: doh. nm. my mistake
[17:30] <rgreening> I typed it wrong.
[17:30] <rgreening> oh, this is going to be a bad day....
[17:33] <ScottK> rgreening: Join the club.  I just discovered something I thought I uploaded hours ago didn't uploaded because I typed dupt instead of dput and didn't stick around to see that it actually uploaded.
[17:33] <rgreening> lol
[17:34] <rgreening> dupt: n, slang for duped.
[17:34] <rgreening> :P
[17:37] <ScottK> Seen in an email sig line: "It's never too late to stop a bad idea."
[17:40] <rgreening> heh
[17:42] <Riddell> blueyed: did you try amarok?
[17:42] <blueyed> Riddell: yes, works fine.
[17:43] <Riddell> excellent
[17:43] <Riddell> blueyed: so no crash on startup?
[17:43] <blueyed> no.. it rescanned the whole collection, but that is probably intended.
[17:44] <Riddell> groovy, thanks blueyed
[17:44] <Riddell> I'll upload to ubuntu
[17:45] <blueyed> great. Thanks.
[17:53] <christophe_> Riddell: short question. how do I get the multihead option in 4.3 working? Got intel chip. xorg.conf?
[17:54] <rgreening> ScottK: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/rgreening/KarmicPhononPackages
[17:55] <ScottK> rgreening: Perhaps a mail to kubuntu-devel
[17:55] <rgreening> sure, also, you can update python-qt4 on that site :)
[17:56] <ScottK> Already done
[17:56] <Riddell> christophe_: no idea I'm afraid, I only have one monitor
[17:56] <christophe_> Riddell: ok. i'll ask around in #kubuntu
[18:02] <rgreening> ScottK: message sent to kubuntu-devel.
[18:02] <ScottK> Cool
[18:16] <rgreening> ScottK: kdegames - bzr had changes, but uploaded version did not. I updated changelog and bumped release in bzr. Just needs upload.
[18:16] <ScottK> rgreening: looking
[18:16] <rgreening> 1 sec. forgot to commit..
[18:17] <ScottK> rgreening: Did you test build it?
[18:18] <rgreening> pushed. yes, when we originally were building for 4.2.85, but the last change never got uploaded.
[18:18] <rgreening> I can build again... if you like\
[18:21] <ScottK> I'd appreciate it.
[18:22] <ScottK> Stuff's changed since then and my laptop is currently bogged down with python-qt4
[18:22] <rgreening> sure.. will do
[18:33] <rgreening> ScottK: kdegraphics updated in bzr. testbuilding.
[18:34] <ScottK> OK.  Let me know when it's done
[18:34] <rgreening> kk
[18:48] <tsdgeos> hi
[18:48] <tsdgeos> anyone can give me a pointer to the rosetta page to translate kdepim?
[18:52] <tsdgeos> bah
[18:54] <rgreening> ScottK: kdegames build successful from bzr.
[18:54] <ScottK> rgreening: Thanks.
[18:54] <rgreening> np.
[18:57] <EagleScreen> konqueror usually open .deb files as in a navigator page as text in place of download them or open with gdebi
[18:59] <ScottK> rgreening: You didn't mention the ksnake.install changes.
[19:01] <tsdgeos> Just if someone is interested
[19:01] <tsdgeos> https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=191283
[19:01] <tsdgeos> shows how much rosetta helps
[19:14] <Quintasan> rgreening: ping
[19:22] <EagleScreen> .deb shoud be open with gdebi-kde and not with inmature kpackagekit
[19:22]  * ScottK prefers them to open with ark.
[19:27] <ScottK> rgreening: I fixored the changelog and uploaded.  Thank you for your contribution to Kubuntu.
[19:44] <rgreening> ty ScottK. Missed it in original changelog...
[19:44] <rgreening> Quintasan: pong
[19:45] <rgreening> ScottK: kdegraphics built successful
[19:48] <Quintasan> rgreening: should I send you a debdiff when I finish?
[19:48] <Quintasan> rgreening: I'm working on rsibreak, and I'm planning to go mailody-kde4.
[19:48] <rgreening> Quintasan: sure
[19:48] <rgreening> Quintasan: ty
[19:49] <Quintasan> rgreening: np, I like doing this (dunno if I should) :D
[19:49] <rgreening> Quintasan: sure you should :)
[19:49] <rgreening> we always need more people to help with fixing, packaging, etc... there never seem to be enough hands to go around
[19:50] <Quintasan> I've tried fixing wrong permissions on pykdeui4.py (still no +x) but it has hueg and it failed on top of that @_@
[19:50] <Quintasan> s/has/was
[19:51] <rgreening> Quintasan: lol
[19:51] <rgreening> ScottK: kdeedu built and updatred in bzr. needs upload
[19:52] <ScottK> OK.  rgreening for bindings we ought to wait until after python-qt4 is fixed.
[19:53] <rgreening> ScottK: I just marked bindings with '--' to not do it. It currently FTBFS anyway... akonadi + sip issues.
[19:53] <ScottK> rgreening: Even with the old bindings?
[19:54] <rgreening> ScottK: never looked at the old, was trying to get new for upload. I guess we can update the old ones...
[19:54] <rgreening> but leave it till last...
[19:54] <ScottK> Let's try that first.  The newish one is known not good, so don't worry until beta2
[19:54] <ScottK> Yeah
[19:55] <Quintasan> hmm, guys, you are running karmic installed on a separate partition or using a VM?
[19:57] <rgreening> Quintasan: using pbuilder to test/build
[20:00] <Quintasan> rgreening: ah, I wanted to test KDE 4.3 without borking mah working system
[20:00]  * Quintasan broked his VM three times today
[20:01] <ScottK> rgreening: kdegraphics uploaded.  Thank you for your contribution to Kubuntu.
[20:01] <rgreening> vm is best
[20:01] <rgreening> yw ScottK
[20:02] <Quintasan> hmm, can I limit apt's downloading speed?
[20:08] <smarter> Quintasan: yep
[20:08] <smarter> let me find that for you
[20:09] <smarter> Quintasan: http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=5996302&postcount=7
[20:11] <Quintasan> smarter: oh, I found it seconds ago :P
[20:12] <Quintasan> smarter: but still, thanks :D
[20:12]  * Quintasan hopes his sis will stop complaining
[20:15] <ScottK> rgreening: Could you look into W: kdeedu source: patch-system-but-direct-changes-in-diff marble/src/bindings/python/sip/GeoDataFeature.sip in edu?
[20:18] <Quintasan> I wonder how KDE 4 is going to work under VM with 512mb ram
[20:20] <rgreening> ScottK: thats weird...
[20:21] <rgreening> ScottK: where did that occur?
[20:21] <rgreening> ScottK: it isn't in my build log
[20:22] <ScottK> rgreening: lintian run on the new source packages
[20:23] <rgreening> ScottK: I don't understand that error, or where it could have come from. What command did you run? just lintian <package>
[20:24] <ScottK> lt was the lintian run that comes with debuild, but you can lintian package.dsc too
[20:24] <rgreening> ScottK: trying it now
[20:25] <rgreening> ScottK: I know Riddell patched something with bindings in kdeedu. maybe he didn't get it 100%.
[20:25] <rgreening> lintian kdeedu_4.2.85-0ubuntu2.dsc
[20:25] <rgreening> W: kdeedu source: dbg-package-missing-depends kdeedu-dbg
[20:25] <rgreening> thats all I see here ScottK.
[20:25] <ScottK> rgreening, vorian, JontheEchidna: I tried my upgrade test again after the last -workspace upload and it's better:  http://paste.ubuntu.com:80/177401/ - after the failure, apt-get -f install allowed it to finish.  No force-overwrite needed.
[20:25] <ScottK> So progress.
[20:25] <rgreening> \o/
[20:26] <ScottK> rgreening: It's possible i started with a contaminated source.  Let me do it again.
[20:26] <rgreening> ScottK: possibly
[20:26] <Quintasan> http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/p/plasma-widget-pgame <-- anyone can check this?
[20:26] <rgreening> heres hoping
[20:32] <ScottK> rgreening: What does lintian -V tell you?
[20:32] <rgreening> one sec
[20:33] <rgreening> Lintian v2.2.5ubuntu1
[20:33] <rgreening> in my Jaunty
[20:33] <rgreening> are you doing that from karmic or jaunty?
[20:34] <ScottK> Same here.
[20:34] <ScottK> From Jaunty
[20:34] <rgreening> you still getting the error?
[20:35] <ScottK> Yep, but it's the same in 1ubuntu1.  It's not new
[20:35] <ScottK> python-marble is turned off, so I'm going to ignore it
[20:35] <rgreening> I figured that. where did you get the src
[20:36] <ScottK> apt-get source
[20:36] <ScottK> Uploaded.  Thank you for your contribution to Kubuntu
[20:36] <rgreening> strange indeed.
[20:37] <ScottK> We just need to be careful not to carry it forward into Beta 2
[20:37] <rgreening> ScottK: I wonder if its a bad src upload
[20:38] <ScottK> Dunno.
[20:38] <ScottK> We'll worry about it later...
[20:42] <rgreening> ScottK: I checked my tar and the one from lp, no differences.
[20:48] <Quintasan> night
[20:49] <rgreening> nn Quintasan
[21:01] <Daskreech> How useful is a package manager is working tray icon ?
[21:10] <lex79> :( sometimes dh_install has problems with pkg-kde-tools
[21:21] <lex79> ScottK: qtcreator uploaded
[21:37] <ScottK> lex79: Great
[21:38] <seele> ScottK: when do you leave?
[21:39] <ScottK> seele: Saturday, early afternoon
[21:40] <ryanakca> Daskreech: -meta ... if a support question goes answered in an Ubuntu channel for five minutes it gets posted there
[21:40] <Daskreech> ryanakca: That's only useful if someone is there I would suspect
[21:40] <Daskreech> Which .. itsn
[21:40] <rgreening> ScottK: when do you arrive?
[21:41] <Daskreech> it's not quite getting right
[21:41] <ScottK> rgreening: Sunday PM
[21:41] <ryanakca> Daskreech: *nod*, nobody around
[21:41] <ryanakca> ScottK: Where are you? Taking a transfer? I leave on Saturday night and get there Sunday AM...
[21:41] <Daskreech> ryanakca: So currnently the point of having it is to say that it is to be had?
[21:42] <ScottK> Actually I was wrong
[21:42] <ScottK> Arrive: BARCELONA,SPAIN  8:35 AM
[21:42] <rgreening> ScottK: wow... long trip :) I get in 8:55 AM
[21:42] <ScottK> rgreening: Read again
[21:42] <rgreening> hey, we should meet up
[21:42] <ScottK> Yeah.
[21:42] <ScottK> I'll depend on your Spanish fluency to get us to the hotel
[21:42] <ryanakca> Daskreech: *nod*, it should probably be advertisted to the main ``helpers'', if LjL doesn't mind...
[21:43] <rgreening> lol. I can speak some portuguese... that'll have to do :)
[21:43] <Daskreech> true
[21:43] <Daskreech> ryanakca: Have any list of niggling points in Kubuntu ?
[21:43] <ryanakca> Daskreech: niggling points?
[21:43] <ScottK> rgreening: I was in Barcelona ~17 years ago and it seemed to go OK.
[21:43] <Daskreech> ryanakca: Small stuff that should be fixed but ... just isn't
[21:46] <ryanakca> Daskreech: Aye, konqueror, the menu bar often seems to go wierd... but gets fixed on mouse over.
[21:47] <ScottK> ryanakca: Intel video?
[21:48] <ryanakca> ScottK: Yes
[21:48] <ScottK> ryanakca: Did you try MigrationHeuristic "Greedy" in xorg.conf (details in the release notes)
[21:50] <ryanakca> ScottK: *tries*
[21:50] <Daskreech> ryanakca: You mean the words go funny?
[21:50] <ryanakca> Daskreech: I'll get a screenshot
[21:51] <Daskreech> Video card issue?
[21:52] <ryanakca> Daskreech: http://ryanak.ca/~ryan/konqueror.png
[21:54] <Daskreech> ryanakca: Wow. Umm ok
[21:55] <ryanakca> Should I try UXA?
[21:55] <Daskreech> seems the whole toolbar system is out
[21:55] <Daskreech> You can get this to happen reliably ?
[21:55] <jussi01> ryanakca: I have a sorta similar stuff on my netbook
[21:55] <ScottK> ryanakca: UXA might be the answer.  It was crashy for me.  Everyone seems to get different results.
[21:55] <Daskreech> jussi01: Screenshot?
[21:56] <jussi01> Daskreech: Im not on the netbook currently, but if you care to wait till the morning... ~ 10 hours... :/
[21:56] <ryanakca> Yes. But the work around is simple. Mouse over, and if that doesn't work, Maximize/Restore.
[21:56] <Daskreech> I'll just use this one I think
[21:57] <ryanakca> Daskreech: I can get more if you want
[21:57] <jussi01> ryanakca: irs almost like a redraw issue, no?
[21:57] <Daskreech> ryanakca: I'm posting things for the 100 cuts so this would fit in
[21:57] <ryanakca> jussi01: *nod*
[21:57] <jussi01> ryanakca: Im prettty sure I have it in quassel on the netbook
[21:57] <ryanakca> Daskreech: Ah, in that case, I can search for a few more small things that annoy me but aren't massive issues.
[21:57] <jussi01> wait, maybe I have the netbook here...
[21:58] <Daskreech> ryanakca: please do
[21:58]  * jussi01 looks
[21:58] <jussi01> Daskreech: you looking for annoying stuff with jaunty? or just intel stuff?
[21:58] <Daskreech> jussi01: annoying thigns with Kubuntu
[21:58] <Daskreech> as long as they can be showcased in Kubuntu and are annoying
[21:59] <ryanakca> Daskreech: When opening up kmenu (or whatever it's called in KDE4), it's black for half a second before showing what it should. Might just be my hardware, but ideally, it would just show it directly instead of taking half a second/second to draw
[21:59] <ScottK> ryanakca: Intrepid or Jaunty?
[21:59] <Daskreech> ryanakca: No static? Just black?
[21:59] <ryanakca> Jaunty... static?
[21:59] <jussi01> Daskreech: no default audio cd player? ie. you are given a choice of dolphin or k3b to open audio cds?
[22:00] <Daskreech> jussi01: :-) I think that's probably a good one but I'll keep that out of 100 cuts
[22:00] <Daskreech> Anyone using the new Amarok betas?
[22:00] <ryanakca> Why not just have amarok play the CD? Or has the functionality not been added to Amarok 2 yet?
[22:01] <smarter_> ryanakca: nop
[22:01] <Daskreech> new Amarok beta has no CD support?
[22:01] <smarter_> not sure
[22:01] <jussi01> Daskreech: lack of triple head support? /me hates that one...
[22:02] <Daskreech> jussi01: Well I've herad lack of Dualhead support
[22:02] <Tonio_> hum, I was really impressed with the latest kaffeine...
[22:02] <Daskreech> and extending one screen across multiple displays
[22:02] <Tonio_> we probably should consider replacing dragon player with it
[22:02] <jussi01> Daskreech: Ive got that happening here no issues
[22:02] <Tonio_> any opinion on that ?
[22:02] <Daskreech> Tonio_: Is it viable for Koala ?
[22:02] <ryanakca> Daskreech: I'm not sure if it's intended or not, but when I open KMenu, and then click on the Favorites/star folder, it would be really nice if KMenu closed and got out of my way. Probably isn't an easy way to link the two together though...
[22:03] <Daskreech> Ah I know that KDE bug with extenders
[22:03] <jussi01> Tonio_: latest kaffeine rocks! ++++
[22:03] <Tonio_> Daskreech: I think so really
[22:03] <Tonio_> and it has a lot more functions than dragon player
[22:03] <Tonio_> aka, subtitle support, dvb and so on
[22:03] <jussi01> Tonio_: Ive been using it for a while, very. very nice compared to dragon
[22:03] <Daskreech> Tonio_: CD?
[22:04] <jussi01> Daskreech: yes, plays audio cds
[22:04] <Tonio_> Daskreech: plays audio cd yes whitch amarok can't do
[22:04] <ryanakca> Daskreech: Just listing them off here, maybe add a description to that star folder too? Putting the mouse on the KMenu icon gives you a bubble with ``Kickoff application launcher ....''... Maybe something of the sort for the folder?
[22:04] <Tonio_> well I'll be with Riddell in a couple of days, so we can discuss this
[22:05] <rgreening> ScottK: kdepim almost ready for ya
[22:05] <jussi01> Tonio_: I cant say how much I recomend doing it, kaffeine has been rock stable here - even TV works for me :)
[22:05] <Daskreech> ryanakca: how many folders does that affect ?
[22:05] <ScottK> Oh you get the easy ones.
[22:05] <Tonio_> jussi01 I know that :)
[22:05] <ScottK> Tonio_: Can you sponsor rgreening?
[22:05]  * ScottK needs to go pick up kids from school soon
[22:05] <Tonio_> ScottK, rgreening sure
[22:06] <Tonio_> rgreening: dsc file url please ?
[22:06] <rgreening> ScottK: oh, theres no rush...
[22:06] <ryanakca> Daskreech: What do you mean? See the folder on the bar at the bottom of the screen, next to the kmenu icon? Put a mouseover tooltip type thing on it like for KMenu
[22:06] <rgreening> Tonio_: it'll be ready in a little bit...
[22:06] <rgreening> it's just finishing test build
[22:06] <Tonio_> rgreening: so just ping me :)
[22:06] <rgreening> :)
[22:06] <Tonio_> on the other side, what should we do with konversation once released ?
[22:06] <Daskreech> ryanakca: Oh the Quick launch
[22:06] <rgreening> Tonio_: I'll be seeing you at UDS, qui?
[22:06] <Daskreech> Tonio_: Probably make a choice
[22:07] <Tonio_> I really like it compared to quassel, which I also love, but still prefer konversation for several reasons
[22:07] <jussi01> Daskreech: http://jussi01.com/upload/uploads/20090522-000658-snapshot1.png
[22:07] <Tonio_> shortcuts support, a lot faster, easier to check the logs, fulky kde integrated, and UI makes a better usage of the available space
[22:07] <Daskreech> ryanakca: That is static ^^^^
[22:07] <Daskreech> jussi01: what is this filed under ?
[22:08] <Tonio_> on the other hand, quassel is client server, but that, for everage joe, is pretty useless (although I use it myself...)
[22:08] <JontheEchidna> The konversation 1.2 alpha is pretty sweet
[22:08] <jussi01> Daskreech: err??
[22:08] <Tonio_> JontheEchidna: yup
[22:08] <ryanakca> Daskreech: for the artistic type, http://ryanak.ca/~ryan/battery.png , see that ugly line above the lightning bolt? Why not get rid of it?
[22:08] <Tonio_> JontheEchidna: way better on a netbook for example
[22:08] <JontheEchidna> backported packages in kubuntu-experimental, btw
[22:08] <Tonio_> and the lack of shortcuts support for quassel is really a problem for me...
[22:08] <Tonio_> hard to make a decision I must say
[22:09] <jussi01> Tonio_: have you mentioned that lack to the quassel devs, recently?
[22:10] <ryanakca> nixternal: Hi, how's h.k.o? Think we'll be able to work on it some time at UDS?
[22:10] <Tonio_> jussi01 yup, I know it's on their long term plans
[22:10]  * Daskreech pokes nixternal
[22:10] <Daskreech> ryanakca: is that in KDE 4.3 ?
[22:11] <jussi01> Tonio_: its good to give them a deadline to have it done by for karmic ;)
[22:11] <Daskreech> jussi01: You want quassel addressed or the static?
[22:12] <jussi01> Daskreech: the static.
[22:12] <Daskreech> jussi01: how prevalent is it?
[22:12] <jussi01> Daskreech: nearly every time I switch to quassel...
[22:12] <ryanakca> Daskreech: on a brand new install, open up Amarok for the first time, it tells you you should install some packages for extra functionality. Agree, then hit Show Details, Hide Details. The window doesn't resize to the original size. http://ryanak.ca/~ryan/amarokinstall.png
[22:12] <ryanakca> Daskreech: brand spanking new Jaunty install, so 4.2.2
[22:13] <Daskreech> jussi01: So it's only in Quassel ?
[22:13] <jussi01> Daskreech: its a brand new netbook, so not sure if its happens in other apps yet
[22:14] <Tonio_> well whatever is the default on the long term, anyone is free to switch
[22:14] <Daskreech> ryanakca: Also I think it doesn't tell you what package to install
[22:14] <jussi01> Daskreech: its an LG x110 netbook, with kubuntu jaunty lpia
[22:14] <Tonio_> I really appreciate quassel, and konversation, hard to make a choice... maybe keep quassel is relevant, I don't know... we should consider vote during a meeting evetually
[22:14] <ryanakca> Daskreech: It installs them for you, but you can see which packages are being installed by looking at the kdesudo window
[22:15]  * jussi01 wonders if Sput  or EgS is about
[22:15] <Daskreech> ryanakca: Just to confirm this doesn't happen with kpackagekit? Just that scenario ?
[22:16] <Daskreech> jussi01: Intel card?
[22:16] <jussi01> Daskreech: yea
[22:16] <jussi01> 945
[22:17] <ryanakca> Daskreech: in the logout dialog, the moon looks kinda squished.
[22:17] <Daskreech> It is squished but a good one
[22:17] <ryanakca> Daskreech: Haven't tried with kpackagekit
[22:17] <ryanakca> Hmmm... UXA isn't going to work :/
[22:18] <jussi01> Daskreech: Ive got another one for you. ark wond make zip files in jaunty.
[22:18] <jussi01> wont*
[22:18] <Daskreech> jussi01: By default or at all?
[22:18] <jussi01> Daskreech: at all - I have zip installed...
[22:18] <Daskreech> ok
[22:19]  * jussi01 should go and report tht one...
[22:19] <Daskreech> I'm going to try and vet these against KDE 4.3 to see how many have been fixed there
[22:21] <Daskreech> nixternal: Do you have any niggling issues with kubuntu ?
[22:21] <ScottK> Daskreech: I think nixternal's main issue is the documentation sucks
[22:22] <Daskreech> jussi01: Triple head support falls where in the stack?
[22:22] <jussi01> Daskreech: in importance?
[22:24] <Daskreech> No Why doesn't it work? is it config in KDE or not supported in Drivers or fudged over with guldge in X ?
[22:24] <jussi01> Daskreech: Im not exactly certain.
[22:25] <Tonio_> another konversation good point we noticed with rgreening is that it supports DCC, which can't quassel atm
[22:25] <Daskreech> Ever tried triple head in Gnome ?
[22:25] <Daskreech> Konversation is quite a bit more mature than Quassel
[22:25] <Daskreech> If it was ready when we were ready there would be no discussion on konversation vs Quassel
[22:25] <Daskreech> I think that it's helped them a lot however
[22:26] <jussi01> Daskreech: no.
[22:29] <Daskreech> Well that nicely upped mu bug count from 2 to 13
[22:29] <Daskreech> Lets see how small I can make it again :)
[22:30] <rgreening> If anyone is looking for something to do, https://wiki.kubuntu.org/rgreening/KarmicPhononPackages
[22:31] <rgreening> We need to update a bunch of packages for the libqt4-phonon-dev change in karmic
[22:31] <rgreening> Tonio_: ^ :)
[22:31] <jussi01> Daskreech: lets scratch that triple head for now - at least on my card.
[22:32]  * jussi01 just found this: http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=131137
[22:33] <Daskreech> see decreasing already
[22:34] <rgreening> ryanakca: if you are looking for something to do.. see my note above :)
[22:35] <Daskreech> nixternal: What about the documentation ?
[22:35] <ScottK> Daskreech: It was a joke, nixternal does the documentation.
[22:35] <ScottK> Sorry
[22:36] <Daskreech> I know that :) but if there is polish associated with how documenatation is dealt with it would fit here
[22:36] <ryanakca> Hmm... lovely, someone decided to send me a flame style email, a) broken wireless, b) his intel graphics card using 30% CPU, c) we should stop giving KDE a bad name. Anything in here I should ask the guy to file bugs about? Or should I let it blow by?
[22:36] <Daskreech> For example can we have a system like the codecs prompt to get more docs if not installed ?
[22:37] <Daskreech> ryanakca: Wait he hasn't filed ANY bugs?
[22:37] <ryanakca> rgreening: Gah, thanks for reminding me. I have waaay too much homework to be hanging around in here. However, if it still hasn't been done in a few hours, I'll try to tackle it
[22:38] <rgreening> ryanakca: awesome. feel free to ping one of the devs to upload for you... I have to take off now. thanks.
[22:38] <ryanakca> Daskreech: His name isn't anywhere in LP, so I assume not. Ignore it?
[22:41] <Daskreech> ryanakca: assume some level of ignorance and make an attempt on how to be a good citizen for FOSS
[22:45] <Daskreech> ryanakca: An attempt at education sorry
[23:18] <ScottK> Any python-qt4 is still compiling ....
[23:18] <ScottK> Any/And
[23:22] <Riddell> crank it faster
[23:28] <Tonio_> how annoying debian packaging transitions...
[23:28] <Tonio_> in some cases you can't even create karmic packages on jaunty.....
[23:28] <Tonio_> is there anyone using karmic here ?
[23:28] <ScottK> Tonio_: Yep.  So then pbuilder login ....
[23:28] <Tonio_> ScottK yeah but I don't have my gpg key inside a pbuilder chroot :)
[23:29] <ScottK> Tonio_: Yep, you have to copy the build result out of the chroot.
[23:29] <ScottK> I've had to do this a time or two.
[23:29] <Tonio_> ScottK I know how to do this, but I mean this pretty sucks at some points...
[23:29] <ScottK> Tonio_: Agreed.
[23:30] <Tonio_> ScottK all of this to use this stupid quilt, that we are forced to use
[23:30]  * Tonio_ thought free software was a matter of choice
[23:30] <Tonio_> and I am force to stop using the very well working simple-patchsys...
[23:30] <ScottK> Tonio_: Maybe a topic for kubuntu packaging spec @ UDS
[23:31] <Tonio_> ScottK yup, I agree... I love debian, but really the recent decisions in changing everything is driving me nuts...
[23:32] <Riddell> I expect we can find a way to support simple-patchsys in debian-qt-kde.mk if people want it, we already added a conditional for quilt
[23:32] <Tonio_> Riddell: that would be nice
[23:32] <Tonio_> Riddell: I never was able to figure out how to properly edit a patch with quilt
[23:33] <Riddell> I just use diff -u and addit manually
[23:33] <Tonio_> Riddell: this is way to complicated to do (I refuse to type in 6 commands to edit a 2 lines patch)
[23:33] <Tonio_> Riddell: it'll never be as simple as a cdbs-edit-patch (or even dpatch)
[23:34] <Tonio_> Riddell: I don't mind what is done with other packages, but being forced to use quilt on my own packages is somehow painfull...
[23:34] <Tonio_> Riddell: we can discuss this next week
[23:34] <Tonio_> atm I'm fixing universe apps with libphonon-dev build-dep
[23:35] <Riddell> libphonon-dev should still work as a build dep no?
[23:35] <Riddell> it's a dummy package which brings in libqt4-phonon-dev
[23:36] <Tonio_> Riddell: certainly, but rgrenning wrote a wiki page with the list of packages to fix and asked for help, then I did :)
[23:36] <ScottK> Riddell: For the moment, but it should go away if we aren't going to use it.
[23:37] <Tonio_> Riddell: it's always better not to build-dep transitional packages right ? :)
[23:39] <Riddell> ScottK: mm, maybe, depends on what debian does
[23:43] <ScottK> Riddell: I thought you talked to them and they were going to switch?
[23:45] <Riddell> yes they switched to phonon in qt
[23:45] <Riddell> don't know if they'll keep the dummy packages or not, I guess not in the longer term
[23:46] <Riddell> so yes, switching is good, carry on :)
[23:46] <Riddell> "On a different topic, we just installed Kubuntu 9.04 on primary control
[23:46] <Riddell> server for Kuwait National Radio Observatory, and it will be used for
[23:46] <Riddell> control & data acquisition."
[23:46] <Riddell> kick arse
[23:46] <ScottK> Riddell: Cool.
[23:48] <Viper550> hey
[23:50] <Riddell> hi Viper550
[23:56] <ScottK> OK.  It built.  \o/
[23:58] <Viper550> anyway, for this other distro, I'm plotting out artwork for a KDE 4 switch