[00:01] we can merge kmplayer-base and kmplayer-konq-plugin in kmplayer [00:01] yeah, we should probably do that. I can't think of any reason not to [00:03] JontheEchidna: add transitional packages for kmplayer-base and kmplayer-konq-plugin ? [00:04] one for kmplayer-base should be sufficient since kmplayer-konq-plugins depends on kmplayer-base [00:05] right [01:06] * ScottK taps his fingers and waits for a|wen to show up... [01:06] The difference between arm and armel in a merge he did is why all of Qt/KDE FTBFS on armel in Karmic. [01:08] ScottK: would you mind sponsoring bug 378765 [01:08] Launchpad bug 378765 in konversation "Merge konversation 1.2~alpha1-1 from debian unstable" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/378765 [01:09] JontheEchidna: How close do I have to check it? [01:09] I pbuilt [01:10] dunno if you'll want to check it again To Be Safe (tm) [01:10] Well the bug doesn't have a debdiff against the Debian package that I see, so let's get that first. [01:11] oh, right. I forgot that [01:13] ScottK: attached [01:13] * ScottK deigns to look [01:14] ah, #debian/aboutdata_add_debian_version.diff in debian/patches/series needs to be removed entirely [01:20] JontheEchidna: Why? It doesn't hurt anything. [01:21] debian removed it entirely, though I suppose it's not that big of a delta [01:25] Removed [01:42] JontheEchidna: Uploaded. Thank you for your contribution to Kubuntu === claydoh_ is now known as claydoh [03:28] JontheEchidna: around? [03:42] there are two versions of qt-creator: [03:42] https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/qtcreator [03:42] https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/qt-creator [03:42] in Karmic [03:42] lex79: We need to get sync'ed with Debian on what to call it. [03:43] Is there any reason not to just use Debian's and have ours removed? [03:45] ScottK: I'm looking, I think we can remove our package [03:45] qt-creator and keep qtcreator [03:46] \o/ Identi.ca rants [03:46] hi hunger_t [03:47] lex79: It'll need a transitonal package added for Karmic to move people over to qt-creator. [03:47] how goes decibel? [03:50] ScottK: and where we have add the transitional package? in qtcreator, right? [03:50] lex79: Yes, a dummy qt-creator package that depends on qtcreator [03:50] before that there is a new version to sync with debian http://packages.qa.debian.org/q/qtcreator.html [03:50] ok Scott [03:51] lex79: Have it already: qtcreator | 1.1.0-1 | karmic/universe | source, amd64, i386 [03:51] oh right, sorry [03:52] so , I will do a transitional package :) [03:52] lex79: Then a removal bug for the qt-creator source [03:53] fine [03:53] kde4libs is the shlibdeps stage on hppa, I'm a little nervous. [03:56] I'm not expert, but I think hppa, armel etc -> nervous :) [04:00] Yeah. [04:01] There was a problem in our boost1.35 package for armel, I fixed that and so it seems to be going OK now. [04:08] ScottK: I have also to add conflicts/replaces in qtcreator? [04:09] hey ScottK [04:09] Im so peeved with American Idol results. [04:10] stupid public popularity contests elect less talented individuals [04:10] just like they elect presidents :) [04:11] http://www.kde-look.org/content/preview.php?preview=2&id=45764&file1=45764-1.jpg&file2=45764-2.jpg&file3=&name=Ubuntu+Baby&PHPSESSID=2f9eaae3edcafc910f374fc1c41ca1c4 [04:12] Well Presidential elections are not a judement of skill or abilty [04:12] they are purely a judgement of popularity [04:12] lex79: conflict qtcreator less than 1.1.0-1ubuntu1 [04:12] daskreech: Except they aren't even that as you don't need to get the most votes from people to win. [04:12] ok [04:13] Just more than the other guys :) [04:13] It's actually a reflection of popularity is the relative handful of states that are well balanced between Republicans and Democrats. [04:14] daskreech: No, you can lose the popular vote, but win the electoral vote and be president. It's happened several times. [04:14] Oh in the American system [04:14] well then you are the most popular in the electoral [04:14] * vorian stays out of this conversation [04:14] * daskreech ropes vorian in [04:15] Right, but not having the most people voting for you. [04:15] For example, i live in Maryland. It is a heavily democratic state. [04:15] You have an opinion on spaces in qtcreator. Outwith it!! [04:15] ScottK: has anyone started work on your ealier paste? [04:15] AFAIK, no Presidental candidate ever came to visit the state because everyone knew how it would work out. [04:16] vorian: Not AFAIK. [04:16] well I never made that claim :) Just that it's heavily more a judgement of popularity than skill talent or ability [04:16] ok [04:16] daskreech: Sure, but then this is where the wisdom of Winston Churchill comes in. [04:17] See I just pulled that quote with someone else not 15 minutes ago [04:17] He said something along the lines of (I'm paraphrasing): "Demcracy is a horrible form of government, it's just better than all the others we've come up with". [04:17] Heh [04:18] But in application to Slovakia [04:18] Democracy is the worst form of government, except for all those other forms that have been tried from time to time [04:18] (attributed) :-) [04:19] That's it. [04:20] * ScottK notes that ScottK as king of the world has not been proven to be worse. [04:26] * daskreech predicts it being just as worse :) [04:27] For you, probably [04:34] OK. kde4libs built on all archs .... [04:37] yay, time to crack out olde sparky [04:39] Even though I'm pretty certain no one will run KDE4 on (for example) hppa, I think it's good software QA to get it built on all archs. Usually the things that cause problems are real bugs. [04:50] launchpad bug 378910 [04:50] Launchpad bug 378910 in qtcreator "qtcreator needs a transitonal package " [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/378910 [04:51] uhm, transitonal :) === ejat is now known as e-jat [10:46] when watching a video with mplayerplug-in, kwin with composite always goes 80% cpu and stays that way [10:46] really annoying [10:47] switching compositing off and on again helps [12:38] * Riddell tries amarok for the fourth time and hopes the build-deps are right [12:44] new plasma-widget-network-manager is in jaunty-proposed, please test [12:44] bug 334052 and bug 330811 and probably others [12:44] Launchpad bug 334052 in plasma-widget-network-manager "Network Manager Plasmoid won't connect to "WPA Enterprise" AP's in Jaunty" [Medium,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/334052 [12:44] Launchpad bug 330811 in plasma-widget-network-manager "Can't connect to a hidden network" [Low,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/330811 [12:49] just tried to upgrade kstars and get the following: [12:49] dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/libindi0_0.6-0ubuntu1_amd64.deb (--unpack): trying to overwrite `/usr/bin/indiserver', which is also in package indi [13:34] bug #46657 - still occurs for me [13:34] Launchpad bug 46657 in kdenetwork "Kopete gives error when you're on your own contact list" [Low,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/46657 [13:35] oh, rgreening: [13:35] [07:49:31] dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/libindi0_0.6-0ubuntu1_amd64.deb (--unpack): trying to overwrite `/usr/bin/indiserver', which is also in package indi [13:35] huh [13:35] heh [13:36] when she tried to update kstars [13:36] that would be from debian, because we changed that in 4.2 beta [13:36] this whole indi/libindi crap is confusing [13:39] "we meet again dr. jones" [13:41] JontheEchidna: I opened a pbuilder last night and installed every kde meta package from 4.2.2 and did an upgrade to 4.2.85... I'll review that today and come up with a list of things we need to fix. If a couple of us can chip in, we should be able to fix in short order. [13:43] JontheEchidna, vorian: here's a short list I have found so far: http://paste.ubuntu.com/177177/ [13:43] there are some I just don't get, like the kdebase-runtime-data conflicting on a file that isnt' in kde-icons-oxygen at all [13:43] and it properly replacing the version that had it last [13:44] I had that same thing in my test from yesterday. [13:45] one thing I noticed was that I did the update, and when it failed, I did an install -f and it worked. No force-overwrite required. [13:46] also, I did a dist-upgrade rather than a upgrade right from the beginning. [13:51] Mine from yesterday was a dist-upgrade from Jaunty [13:52] ScottK: and did you have to force override? [13:52] I didn't try. [13:52] I think install -f may have worked there [13:52] I probably should have. [13:53] JontheEchidna: the oxygen file conflict is in the old oxygen icons [13:53] I just checked [13:53] but it replaces the old oxygen icons :( [13:54] I think we need to conflict old oxy icons with new kdebase-runtime-data [13:59] I'm re-running the test. [14:15] * rgreening isn't that great with conflicts/replaces targeting [14:18] tentative schedule for amarok 2.1 final tagging is next friday [14:19] * Nightrose would love to get some more lubuntu testers [14:19] *Kubuntu [14:29] * tvakah is running karmic [14:31] oh crap, what the hell [14:31] the calendar app in 4.3 shows national holidays [14:33] rgreening: http://paste.ubuntu.com:80/177210/ is the only problem that apt-get -f install didn't fix. [14:34] i think the problem is that if there is a cross conflict between packages, apt can't really resolve it. [14:34] dpkg -i --force-all fixes all [14:34] cbr: Our goal it to avoid the need for that. [14:35] That's a work around, not a solution [14:35] yes, obviously :p [14:36] hmm, no core kde package depends on kde-base-icons yet [14:36] only envyng-qt and quassel-data [14:36] so if you don't have either of those, and upgrade to karmic, all your icons mysteriously go away until you go poking through apt [14:36] depends on kde-icon-oxygen* [14:36] not kde-base-icons which doesn't exist [14:39] We'll add it to kubuntu-desktop if nothing else. [14:45] In fact I'm adding it right now. [14:46] shouldn't soemthing a little farther down pull it in rather than kubuntu-desktop? [14:46] since kde-anything really assums to have a default icon theme whether you're gettingit as part of kubuntu or not [14:47] i need to find a sponsor please :) [14:47] http://machine-crusade.net/chm2pdf/chm2pdf.debdiff [14:50] kdelibs for KDE3 depended on the crystal icon theme [14:50] since kde-oxygen-icons is no longer part of kdebase-runtime, perhaps kdelibs5 should depend on it [14:50] JontheEchidna: can you sponsor that for me please? <3 [14:51] vorian: machine-crusade is failing to load here [14:51] http://machinecrusade.net/chm2pdf/chm2pdf.debdiff [14:51] sorry [14:51] JontheEchidna: Maybe. In the meantime, kubuntu-desktop [14:52] vorian: that's not working either :( [14:52] pfft [14:53] Same here (for machine crusade) [14:53] ok then [14:53] http://paste.ubuntu.com/177221/ [14:54] doods [14:54] amarok packages [14:54] please test from https://edge.launchpad.net/~jr/+archive/ppa [14:54] I've no idea if they'll work, they did for me but only after a second install [14:54] Nightrose: ^^ [14:55] Riddell: great - i'll test in a sec [14:55] thx [14:55] * ScottK waves to Riddell. [14:55] ScottK: hola chico [14:55] * ScottK thinks Riddell sounds somewhat Spanish today. [14:56] muchos buenos [14:56] Riddell: doesn't it need a special mysql package as well? [14:57] Nightrose: shouldn't do, it's all statically compiled [14:57] ok [14:57] * Nightrose downloads [14:58] Nightrose: are you on karic? [14:58] meh - nope :D [14:58] ok we need a karmic tester before I do the backport thing [14:58] k [14:59] Riddell: I'm updating kubuntu-meta. I assume "Removed openoffice.org-kde from desktop-recommends" is something we want (for now)? [14:59] I need to run off now, team building [14:59] ScottK: there is no oo.o-kde for now so we didn't have a choice [14:59] anything else is a discussion for UDS [15:00] Riddell: OK. [15:01] * JontheEchidna tells pbuilder to go faster [15:04] vorian: ftbfs [15:04] ug [15:04] Patch multi_filename_fix.diff does not apply (enforce with -f) [15:04] i pasted the wrong debdiff [15:04] sorry [15:04] JontheEchidna: I think actually building is optional in this new freewheeling modern era. [15:05] ScottK: wha? [15:05] Nevermind me, just feeling sarcastic this morning. [15:05] yay, fun ScottK is back! [15:06] lol [15:06] tvakah: kde-icons-oxygen is now part of kubuntu-desktop so that's at least a temporary solution (this is in Karmic) [15:10] Anyone looking for a "Fun" job to do? [15:10] One of the questions for UDS is "What boost version in Main for Karmic". [15:11] I know it's not 1.35 (where we are now) as that's been removed from Debian and we'll want to kill it too. [15:11] The options are 1.37 or 1.38 (in the archive as of earlier today). [15:12] So the question is, does our stuff build against either or both of those releases? [15:12] the job would be testing if it does? [15:12] Yep [15:13] make some new ppa and build our stack against them [15:13] make some new three or four PPA probably [15:13] KDE and OOo are the major boost users in Main [15:13] OOo already moved to 1.37 [15:14] Debian is aiming at 1.38 for Squeeze, so that would be a reasonable target [15:27] ok, fixored [15:27] http://paste.ubuntu.com/177243/plain/ [15:37] vorian: looking [15:46] vorian: uploaded, thanks for your contribution to Ubuntu [15:46] JontheEchidna: ya, ya, ya :P [15:46] thanks for the upload [15:47] feels a bit... weird, but I suppose I owe ya some ;-) [15:49] you don't owe me anything :) [15:54] UDS presentation done and mailed .... === blueyed_ is now known as blueyed [16:19] Is somebody working on the amarok beta2 packaging? [16:21] blueyed: On Karmic by chance? [16:21] blueyed: If so https://edge.launchpad.net/~jr/+archive/ppa - testers wanted [16:21] me? yes. [16:21] great. [16:22] So the answer to your actual question is: Yes. [16:27] JontheEchidna: I just noticed you've got a stack of un-uploaded -workspace changes in bzr. Are those still good? [16:28] ScottK: yup, must have forgotten to ask for sponsorship [16:28] OK. That seems to cover a bunch of the remaining issues. [16:29] I got something to add, so I'll do it. [16:36] rgreening and vorian: I'm sponsoring some of JontheEchidna's fixes that got overlooked on the weekend. That may solve a chunk of the remaining problems. [16:40] JontheEchidna: Uploaded. [16:45] Does python-qt4 need to be updated for the phonon change? [17:06] ScottK: cool. I'll re-test after they build [17:06] ScottK: do you know if they got uploaded to PPA? JontheEchidna? [17:06] No idea [17:06] as I am testing a pure Jaunty upgrade [17:06] not karmic [17:07] I've been logging into my jaunty pbuilder and then doing a dist-upgrade to karmic [17:07] I pushed all my fixes to jaunty in tandem with bzr [17:08] ok, then we still have some issues... [17:08] rgreening or JontheEchidna: Have you done any of the phonon patching? [17:08] ScottK: in karmic? yes [17:09] Phonon/Global needs to be replaced wherever it exists [17:09] rgreening: Would you look at python-qt4 and see if it needs some love in that area. [17:10] Sosure. I don't expect it does. [17:10] sure... i mean [17:11] grep -R Phonon * | grep Global returns nothing [17:11] ScottK: ^ [17:11] OK. [17:11] ScottK: it should only be KDE packages requiring this (I expect). JontheEchidna, thoughts? [17:12] Well I was looking at https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/python-qt4/4.4.4-2ubuntu6/+build/942747/+files/buildlog_ubuntu-jaunty-hppa.python-qt4_4.4.4-2ubuntu6_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz and it seemed to be complaining about phonon something (this was still Jaunty), so I thought it might [17:13] It build-deps on libphonon-dev (>= 4:4.2.0-2) [17:13] ScottK: in Jaunty we use the KDE phonon [17:13] libphonon is kde [17:13] Right, but that's why I thought we needed to change it for Karmic [17:13] It's still libphonon-dev in Karmic [17:13] ScottK: oh... maybe [17:13] let me look again [17:14] rgreening: It even builds python-qt4-phonon [17:14] ScottK: is there a way to find all references to libphonon in karmic debian dirs? [17:15] pbuilder login and then use the reverse-build-depends script on libphonon-dev [17:16] That answers the 'what packages need changing' question. [17:16] ScottK: that's what I need... I can start looking at that. [17:16] OK. [17:17] ScottK: how do you run that script? [17:17] It's in ubuntu-dev-tools and so install that and then (IIRC) reverse-build-depends libphonon-dev [17:17] k. [17:18] I'll look at python-qt4 [17:19] K. ScottK replace libphonon-dev with libqt4-phonon-dev (>= 4.5.1) [17:20] OK. Thanks. [17:20] np [17:20] simple edit :) [17:20] rgreening: The one in kde4libs is unversioned, FYI. You may want to fix that then. [17:21] sure. [17:23] ScottK: in a pbuilder session, is there an easy way to tell what dist its working from? [17:23] rgreening: Look in /etc/apt/sources.list [17:23] true... my brain is on overload. [17:23] and just though of cat /etc/issue [17:23] lol [17:29] ScottK: vim.tiny doesn't appear to be in karmic? makes pbuilder sessions a real bummer [17:29] apt-get install vim [17:29] ScottK: yeah, thats the full package. vim.tiny was a minimal one [17:30] less deps [17:30] ScottK: doh. nm. my mistake [17:30] I typed it wrong. [17:30] oh, this is going to be a bad day.... [17:33] rgreening: Join the club. I just discovered something I thought I uploaded hours ago didn't uploaded because I typed dupt instead of dput and didn't stick around to see that it actually uploaded. [17:33] lol [17:34] dupt: n, slang for duped. [17:34] :P [17:37] Seen in an email sig line: "It's never too late to stop a bad idea." [17:40] heh [17:42] blueyed: did you try amarok? [17:42] Riddell: yes, works fine. [17:43] excellent [17:43] blueyed: so no crash on startup? [17:43] no.. it rescanned the whole collection, but that is probably intended. [17:44] groovy, thanks blueyed [17:44] I'll upload to ubuntu [17:45] great. Thanks. [17:53] Riddell: short question. how do I get the multihead option in 4.3 working? Got intel chip. xorg.conf? [17:54] ScottK: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/rgreening/KarmicPhononPackages [17:55] rgreening: Perhaps a mail to kubuntu-devel [17:55] sure, also, you can update python-qt4 on that site :) [17:56] Already done [17:56] christophe_: no idea I'm afraid, I only have one monitor [17:56] Riddell: ok. i'll ask around in #kubuntu [18:02] ScottK: message sent to kubuntu-devel. [18:02] Cool [18:16] ScottK: kdegames - bzr had changes, but uploaded version did not. I updated changelog and bumped release in bzr. Just needs upload. [18:16] rgreening: looking [18:16] 1 sec. forgot to commit.. [18:17] rgreening: Did you test build it? [18:18] pushed. yes, when we originally were building for 4.2.85, but the last change never got uploaded. [18:18] I can build again... if you like\ [18:21] I'd appreciate it. [18:22] Stuff's changed since then and my laptop is currently bogged down with python-qt4 [18:22] sure.. will do [18:33] ScottK: kdegraphics updated in bzr. testbuilding. [18:34] OK. Let me know when it's done [18:34] kk === siekaczx is now known as siekacz [18:48] hi [18:48] anyone can give me a pointer to the rosetta page to translate kdepim? [18:52] bah [18:54] ScottK: kdegames build successful from bzr. [18:54] rgreening: Thanks. [18:54] np. [18:57] konqueror usually open .deb files as in a navigator page as text in place of download them or open with gdebi [18:59] rgreening: You didn't mention the ksnake.install changes. [19:01] Just if someone is interested [19:01] https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=191283 [19:01] KDE bug 191283 in general "In summary-->Next Events-->the message put: day,date in %n days" [Normal,Resolved: downstream] [19:01] shows how much rosetta helps === mgraesslin_ is now known as mgraesslin [19:14] rgreening: ping [19:22] .deb shoud be open with gdebi-kde and not with inmature kpackagekit [19:22] * ScottK prefers them to open with ark. [19:27] rgreening: I fixored the changelog and uploaded. Thank you for your contribution to Kubuntu. [19:44] ty ScottK. Missed it in original changelog... [19:44] Quintasan: pong [19:45] ScottK: kdegraphics built successful [19:48] rgreening: should I send you a debdiff when I finish? [19:48] rgreening: I'm working on rsibreak, and I'm planning to go mailody-kde4. [19:48] Quintasan: sure [19:48] Quintasan: ty [19:49] rgreening: np, I like doing this (dunno if I should) :D [19:49] Quintasan: sure you should :) [19:49] we always need more people to help with fixing, packaging, etc... there never seem to be enough hands to go around [19:50] I've tried fixing wrong permissions on pykdeui4.py (still no +x) but it has hueg and it failed on top of that @_@ [19:50] s/has/was [19:51] Quintasan: lol [19:51] ScottK: kdeedu built and updatred in bzr. needs upload [19:52] OK. rgreening for bindings we ought to wait until after python-qt4 is fixed. [19:53] ScottK: I just marked bindings with '--' to not do it. It currently FTBFS anyway... akonadi + sip issues. [19:53] rgreening: Even with the old bindings? [19:54] ScottK: never looked at the old, was trying to get new for upload. I guess we can update the old ones... [19:54] but leave it till last... [19:54] Let's try that first. The newish one is known not good, so don't worry until beta2 [19:54] Yeah [19:55] hmm, guys, you are running karmic installed on a separate partition or using a VM? [19:57] Quintasan: using pbuilder to test/build [20:00] rgreening: ah, I wanted to test KDE 4.3 without borking mah working system [20:00] * Quintasan broked his VM three times today [20:01] rgreening: kdegraphics uploaded. Thank you for your contribution to Kubuntu. [20:01] vm is best [20:01] yw ScottK [20:02] hmm, can I limit apt's downloading speed? [20:08] Quintasan: yep [20:08] let me find that for you [20:09] Quintasan: http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=5996302&postcount=7 [20:11] smarter: oh, I found it seconds ago :P [20:12] smarter: but still, thanks :D [20:12] * Quintasan hopes his sis will stop complaining [20:15] rgreening: Could you look into W: kdeedu source: patch-system-but-direct-changes-in-diff marble/src/bindings/python/sip/GeoDataFeature.sip in edu? [20:18] I wonder how KDE 4 is going to work under VM with 512mb ram [20:20] ScottK: thats weird... [20:21] ScottK: where did that occur? [20:21] ScottK: it isn't in my build log [20:22] rgreening: lintian run on the new source packages [20:23] ScottK: I don't understand that error, or where it could have come from. What command did you run? just lintian [20:24] lt was the lintian run that comes with debuild, but you can lintian package.dsc too [20:24] ScottK: trying it now [20:25] ScottK: I know Riddell patched something with bindings in kdeedu. maybe he didn't get it 100%. [20:25] lintian kdeedu_4.2.85-0ubuntu2.dsc [20:25] W: kdeedu source: dbg-package-missing-depends kdeedu-dbg [20:25] thats all I see here ScottK. [20:25] rgreening, vorian, JontheEchidna: I tried my upgrade test again after the last -workspace upload and it's better: http://paste.ubuntu.com:80/177401/ - after the failure, apt-get -f install allowed it to finish. No force-overwrite needed. [20:25] So progress. [20:25] \o/ [20:26] rgreening: It's possible i started with a contaminated source. Let me do it again. [20:26] ScottK: possibly [20:26] http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/p/plasma-widget-pgame <-- anyone can check this? [20:26] heres hoping [20:32] rgreening: What does lintian -V tell you? [20:32] one sec [20:33] Lintian v2.2.5ubuntu1 [20:33] in my Jaunty [20:33] are you doing that from karmic or jaunty? [20:34] Same here. [20:34] From Jaunty [20:34] you still getting the error? [20:35] Yep, but it's the same in 1ubuntu1. It's not new [20:35] python-marble is turned off, so I'm going to ignore it [20:35] I figured that. where did you get the src [20:36] apt-get source [20:36] Uploaded. Thank you for your contribution to Kubuntu [20:36] strange indeed. [20:37] We just need to be careful not to carry it forward into Beta 2 [20:37] ScottK: I wonder if its a bad src upload [20:38] Dunno. [20:38] We'll worry about it later... [20:42] ScottK: I checked my tar and the one from lp, no differences. [20:48] night [20:49] nn Quintasan [21:01] How useful is a package manager is working tray icon ? [21:10]