[04:01] <Cpudan80> nalioth: ping
[04:25] <nalioth> Cpudan80: pong?
[04:26] <Cpudan80> nalioth: can I pm you?
[04:26] <nalioth> Cpudan80: let me repeat for the umpteenth time:  "you may pm staff at any time"
[04:26] <Cpudan80> lol ok
[04:36] <Madpilot> @login
[04:36] <Madpilot> !intel
[04:42] <Madpilot> ubottu, intel is <reply>Ubuntu 9.04 has a known regression for some Intel graphics support. See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/X/Troubleshooting/IntelPerformance and http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1130582 for more information.
[04:42] <Madpilot> !intel
[04:42] <Madpilot> opinions, anyone? surprised this wasn't created earlier
[07:25] <Myrtti> brilliant day
[07:47] <Flannel> Twas brillig,
[07:48] <Mez> and the slithy toves, id gyre and gymble in the wae
[07:48] <Mez> all mimsy were the borogroves
[07:48] <Mez> and the mome wraths outgrabe
[07:49] <Flannel> Beware the Jabberwock, my son!
[07:49] <Flannel> The jaws that bite, the claws that catch!
[07:49] <Flannel> Beware the jubjub bird, and shun
[07:49] <Flannel> the frumious Bandersnatch!
[07:50] <Myrtti> Mez: quoting Paula Nancy Millstone Jennings?
[07:50] <Mez> Lewiss Carroll
[07:51] <Myrtti> oh, could have mistaken for her or Grunthos the Flatulent
[07:51] <Mez> http://www.jabberwocky.com/carroll/jabber/jabberwocky.html
[07:51]  * Mez chuckles
[07:51] <Mez> true, but I've always liked it
[07:52]  * Mez can still remember the whole thing word perfect
[07:52] <Myrtti>     Putty. Putty. Putty.
[07:52] <Myrtti>     Green Putty - Grutty Peen.
[07:52] <Myrtti>     Grarmpitutty - Morning!
[07:52] <Myrtti>     Pridsummer - Grorning Utty!
[07:52] <Myrtti> art.
[07:52] <Mez> :D
[07:53] <Mez> good counterpointing of the underlying metaphor there Myrtti 
[07:53] <Flannel> Mez: http://www.turdhead.com/actionscript-jabberwocky/
[07:54] <Myrtti> how hard can it be to make a "Dent this!" button to wordpress? seriously
[07:56] <Myrtti> stupid argh
[07:58] <Mamarok> morning
[07:59] <Flannel> Myrtti: http://img507.imageshack.us/img507/8995/76176216253251242889151.png
[07:59] <Flannel> I made it for you!
[07:59]  * Flannel isn't sure that's what she meant though.
[08:00] <Flannel> or, is almost certain that's not.  but, still...
[08:00] <Myrtti> Flannel: I love you
[08:00] <Myrtti> no, it's not what I meant
[08:00] <Myrtti> but good effort anyway
[08:00] <Myrtti> http://identi.ca/notice/4433945
[08:00] <Flannel> Myrtti: Oh, I'm sure that's possible!
[08:01] <Myrtti> yeah, I'm sure too
[08:01] <Myrtti> but I just can't get my head around it
[08:01] <Gary> /3/3
[08:01] <Gary> oooo
[08:01] <Flannel> well, all identica does is send a POST,right?
[08:01] <Flannel> Gary: eh?
[08:01] <Gary> Flannel: pebkac
[08:01]  * Flannel uses neither, so has no idea.
[08:02] <Myrtti> Flannel: whohooo http://identi.ca//index.php?action=newnotice&status_textarea=tweet
[08:03] <Flannel> erm, I'm not logged in, so ... while I have no idea what that is.  yay!
[08:03] <Myrtti> but yeah, it does what it should
[08:04] <Myrtti> brilliant
[08:24] <elky> Flannel, if it's anything like twitter, then yes.
[10:46] <Flannel> Hi Bacta, how can we help you today?
[10:47] <Bacta> I would like my ban removed please
[10:49] <Flannel> Bacta: Why should we remove the ban?
[10:49] <Bacta> Because I'm of no threat to your channel
[10:50] <Bacta> And Iĺl try to judge the humour of the ops a bit better in future
[10:50] <ikonia> Bacta: this has been discussed and at this time the ban will not be removed
[10:50] <Bacta> awesome
[10:51] <ikonia> Bacta: is there anything else you need ?
[10:52] <Bacta> No but I think youŕe a couple of cans short. Thanks anyway
[10:52] <ikonia> anyone got any cans ?
[10:52] <ikonia> @mark bacta insulting again
[10:52] <bazhang> hehe
[10:52] <bazhang> I can do the can-can
[10:52]  * jussi01 hands ikonia a couple of cans... of beer
[10:53] <ikonia> nice !
[10:53] <ikonia> that would be a nice treat
[10:53] <bazhang> vampires in #freenode trying to get a cloak, presumably to ban evade
[10:53] <elky> he may come across reasonable, but he can switch that on at the drop of the hat. and switch it off just as easily.
[10:53] <ikonia> elky: that wasn't reasonable
[10:53] <elky> ikonia, <Bacta> And Iĺl try to judge the humour of the ops a bit better in future <-- is him trying to sound like he's changed.
[10:54] <ikonia> oh, fail then
[12:17] <arand> floodbots seem to fail in the > #ubuntu redirect, (mibbit user)
[12:22] <elky> they dont send you on automatically
[12:22] <elky> it requires an extra level of human interaction as well, to weed out bots/scripts
[12:23] <elky> * arand (i=8afbf05d@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-72e6092f31a30c90) has joined #ubuntu-proxy-users
 arand: Try again joining #ubuntu, you've been granted temporary access from your web gateway. Don't leave this channel until you've joined! (Also, on some browsers it may take up to a minute or more to sync to #ubuntu, so please be patient for a while before killing the browser and trying again)
[12:31] <arand> I'm aware of that, bad wording on my part... I still get redirected to #-proxy after the invite messages, when I try to enter #ubuntu, I've tried logging on and off, and rejoined the channel and #ubuntu several times.
[12:32] <arand> presuming the problem lies in the exception creation not working, rather.
[12:33] <Myrtti> join now?
[12:33] <Myrtti> *shrug*
[12:33] <arand> works now.
[12:34] <arand> was there something, or just a glitch?
[12:35] <atlef> test me
[12:38] <Myrtti> atlef: you left too early from the other channel
[12:38] <Myrtti> oh
[12:38] <Myrtti> actually
[12:38] <atlef> sorry to bother you, but i can not seem to connect to #ubuntu, followed instructions https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FixDCCExploit for my irc client. do not understand what is wrong, as i can connect to irc.spotchat.org and irc.homelien.no without problems
[12:38] <Myrtti> atlef: did you connect to freenode on port 8001?
[12:39] <atlef> well i added { address = "irc.freenode.net"; chatnet = "Freenode"; port = "8001"; } to my irssi
[12:39] <atlef> *config
[12:39] <Myrtti> atlef: you are aware that fiddling with the config file is unsupported method of configuring it?
[12:40] <Myrtti> atlef: did you reconnect after modifying the file and/or did you reload the config?
[12:40] <atlef> eh, no. it says what to do at the link i was given
[12:41] <atlef> i closed my terminal, and opened it again to connect
[12:41] <Myrtti> oh good god almighty
[12:41] <Myrtti> if the link tells you to modify the config file, then it's wrong
[12:41]  * Myrtti checks
[12:41] <atlef> ok
[12:42] <atlef> good that i came here then :-)
[12:53] <Myrtti> BANLIST IS FULL
[12:53] <Pici> oye
[12:53] <Pici> I have some to remove, 
[12:54]  * Pici waits for minefield to restart
[12:54] <Myrtti> http://paste.ubuntu.com/177150/
[12:55] <Pici> Myrtti: whats that?
[12:56] <Myrtti> Pici: I scribbled that to make checking of my own current bans easier
[12:56] <Pici> Myrtti: oh, neat
[12:56] <Myrtti> figured others might find it useful as well
[12:57] <Myrtti> !ops | banlist in #ubuntu is squeaking full
[12:57] <Myrtti> Please, check your own bans and remove what you can
[12:58] <Pici> I wrote a script that reads in a file with one ban mask per line and outputs the necessary /mode -bbbb [stuff] commands
[12:59] <Pici> Handy for situations like this
[13:02] <elky> the mibbit bans are the problem. there's a zillion exemptions in there.
[13:03] <Pici> I'll take care of those too
[13:03] <elky> some of them old enough to have been set by servers, not bots.
[13:04] <ikonia> I'll clear down in 10 minutes
[13:04] <ikonia> just finishing off something
[13:06] <elky> there's a heck of alot of #ubuntu-ops redirects too
[13:06] <Myrtti> /mode -e ienorand!i=8afbf05d@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-1971ac66a18d2e47
[13:06] <Myrtti> ?
[13:06] <Myrtti> lol, even vertix is there
[13:06] <Myrtti> http://paste.ubuntu.com/177157/
[13:07] <elky> can we have a filter out of all masks with 'dyn' in them please?
[13:07] <ikonia> Myrtti: klined so not a problem
[13:07] <Myrtti> ikonia: but the exception is still there taking space from bans
[13:08] <ikonia> yup, I'll remove
[13:08] <elky> ikonia, for now anyway. he's got a nick ban in there though, and he's yet to change afaik.
[13:08] <ikonia> house keeping in 10 minutes
[13:09] <elky> everything >48hrs with 'dyn' in it is to go
[13:09] <ikonia> seems sensible
[13:09] <Pici> note: I'm going to unexempt all the mib_ excemptions, expect a bit of flooding
[13:10] <ikonia> ooh yes please. 
[13:10] <elky> Pici, no mib_ in there currently?
[13:10] <Pici> Myrtti: ^^
[13:10] <Pici> elky: correct
[13:10] <elky> Pici, something's not un-excempting properly then...
[13:10] <Pici> Myrtti: i.e: don't worry about removing them one by one, I have them all in my clipboard
[13:10] <Pici> elky: indeed
[13:10] <Myrtti> Pici: took off only the ones set by the server
[13:10] <Pici> Myrtti: okay :)
[13:11] <Myrtti> not by the floodbots
[13:11] <Myrtti> firefox just committed suicide
[13:11] <Pici> stupid bot
[13:13] <Pici> elky: 20 lines, 4 excempts per line
[13:13] <Pici> exempts too
[13:15] <elky> Pici, no freaking wonder the list was full.
[13:16] <elky> Pici, i wonder... does it detect non-/quit departures properly. such as kills/klines.
[13:46] <elky> topyli, in a mood tonight?
[13:46] <topyli> i guess. sorry
[13:46] <Myrtti> oh god coffee!
[13:46] <topyli> better go away i guess before i remove everybody
[13:46] <elky> topyli, probably
[13:47] <topyli> aye
[13:47]  * elky cuddles topyli
[13:47] <elky> i'm off to beddy byes.
[13:47] <Pici> goodnight!
[13:47] <topyli> nighty night elky 
[14:16] <ikonia> Myrtti: got your magic ban list script to hand
[14:16] <Pici> Myrtti: Is that a perl script?
[14:17] <Myrtti> Pici: no, just irssi alias with a bit of sed/awk/grep magic
[14:26] <ikonia> it's sweet
[14:26] <Myrtti> I could publish it
[14:27] <Myrtti> need to figure out
[14:47] <LjL> was there an attack or something? couple of people in -unregged
[14:51] <Pici> Yes
[14:52] <LjL> what sort of attack, the funny sort?
[14:52] <Pici> 07:50:46 <FloodBot1> -WARNING: Channel CTCP/NOTICE by Mahone (#Parliament #parliament #parliament #parliament #prisonbreak #Parliament #parliament #parliament #parliament #prisonbreak), banned
[14:53] <Pici> Except he wasn't banned because the banlist was full.
[14:53] <LjL> oh lord.
[14:53] <LjL> so an unfunny attack that became funny because of opfail.
[14:53] <Pici> I alone removed a little over a hundred expired mibbit exempts.
[14:55] <LjL> if i knew what made the bots warn about full banlist when it wasn't really full, i'd restore that warning.
[14:57] <LjL> Pici: check funny stat
[14:57] <LjL> Pici: select Date, SUM(CASE WHEN Word='jaunty' THEN Count END), SUM(CASE WHEN Word='intrepid' THEN Count END), SUM(CASE WHEN Word='hardy' THEN Count END), SUM(CASE WHEN Word='gutsy' THEN Count END), SUM(CASE WHEN Word='feisty' THEN Count END), SUM(CASE WHEN Word='edgy' THEN Count END), SUM(CASE WHEN Word='dapper' THEN Count END) from words group by date order by date
[14:58] <LjL> (suggest a moving average of 15)
[15:01] <Pici> LjL: Interesting
[15:01] <LjL> Pici: a bit discomforting too
[15:02] <Pici> LjL: You mean the harsh decline for the past two releases?
[15:02] <LjL> Pici: yeah. the peak for Intrepid was lower than the peak for Warty.
[15:02] <LjL> i haven't included Warty in the query because it triggers a bug in the graph engine =)
[15:04] <LjL> unless intrepid and jaunty are more misspelled than previous releases... :P
[15:06] <Mamarok> LjL: well, we hade a jaundice once...
[15:07] <Mamarok> had*
[15:07] <LjL> Mamarok: i'm sure you did, but what's the frenquency of that compared to Fiesty or Gusty? :)
[15:08] <Mamarok> well, some users say Jack for Jaunty or Ibex for Intrepid
[15:08] <Mamarok> Ibex is much shorter, so...
[15:08] <Pici> I've seen a lot more JJ's for thise release than for others.
[15:08] <Mamarok> and the mis-spelling of Ibex is frequent
[15:08] <Pici> !interpid
[15:09] <Mamarok> :)
[15:09] <Mamarok> !janty
[15:09] <LjL> yeah i've tried checking Ibex instead of Intrepid, but it's relatively marginal
[15:11] <LjL> besides it's reflected also in the total number of lines, unique nicks, and a few other statistics one can make. it just shows most strikingly in the distribution names usage statistic
[15:16] <LjL> (by the way if anyone else here want to access these stats, just pm me for the url, can't make it public)
[15:21] <Pici> LjL: Was the bug you were referring to when the moving average color doesn't match the detail color?
[15:21] <LjL> Pici: yep
[15:58] <Pici> Going to a short meeting, hopefully things don't blow up here.
[16:00] <LjL> *bang*
[16:13]  * genii investigates the coffee urn
[16:13]  * jussi01 investigates the back of his eyelids...
[16:14]  * LjL investigates people /meing on #ubuntu-ops
[16:27]  * Myrtti burps
[16:27] <Pici> :O
[16:31] <Myrtti> too much coffee
[16:42] <genii> I got a "coffee" highlight...
[17:08] <genii> Lunch. Around but /away
[17:09] <Pici> /around
[17:09] <genii> Pici: There is an /around            ?
[17:10] <Pici> genii: /asquare
[17:10] <genii> "* Error: AROUND "
[17:10] <genii> Bah!
[17:10] <Pici> Don't take everything I say seriously :P
[17:11] <LjL> s/everything/anything/
[17:11] <Myrtti> how can I delete a line in vi?
[17:12] <LjL> Myrtti: no one will tell you. it's your punishment for using vi to find out.
[17:12] <Pici> ctrl-k works in nano
[17:12] <Myrtti> LjL: i don't have any other proper editor on n800
[17:12] <LjL> Myrtti: :dl
[17:13] <Myrtti> LjL: thx
[17:15] <genii> bah. dajhorn suggesting setting root passwd etc etc.
[17:16] <genii> "<dajhorn> Bodsda: Set a root password, login as root, and then use `telinit` to switch to single user mode."
[17:16] <LjL> yeah
[17:16] <LjL> if you actually want to switch to single user mode, though
[17:16] <LjL> i'm not sure there's much of another way?
[17:16] <genii> sudo telinit 1
[17:17] <LjL> will that give you a root shell?
[17:17] <Myrtti> whee!
[17:18] <Myrtti> i can haz vpnc + sip nao
[17:18] <genii> LjL: Experimenting right now on another box to find out this burning Q
[17:19] <Pici> "I looked online on how to disable xorg.  Now my desktop won't open"
[17:20] <genii> LjL: Damn. Locked the box up
[17:21] <LjL> genii: suspected you would... with the mixture of upstart and lack of a root account, this was unlikely to work
[17:22]  * genii grumbles a bit
[17:24] <genii> Weird. Why does !php go to !lamp   or so?
[17:26] <Pici> php is part of lamp
[17:27] <genii> You need lamp to use php
[17:27] <genii> You *don't* need lamp ...
[17:27] <Pici> If you think it should be something else, make the suggestion, then we'll shoot it down.
[17:28] <genii> Hehe
[17:31] <genii> OK lemme think about it first.
[17:41] <screamsayonara> hello, my name is stef and i would again like to request that i be unbanned from the offtopic channel
[17:41] <screamsayonara> i know exactly why swearing is wrong, and i understand 100% why its not acceptable, i didnt realise it was like that, im used to another server
[17:42] <mneptok> @login
[17:42] <screamsayonara> i just really want to have g rated conversations about how much i love ubuntu
[17:42] <screamsayonara> with other nerds..
[17:43] <ikonia> screamsayonara: why once you where told about your langauge in one channel did you move to another one and start using the same language
[17:43] <screamsayonara> ikonia: because i was drunk and i am a punk and a linguistics student
[17:43]  * mneptok was about to ask the same thing
[17:44] <screamsayonara> i am also an intelligent person
[17:44] <ikonia> screamsayonara: ahhh yes, this old argument
[17:44] <screamsayonara> it was an isolated thing, 
[17:44]  * mneptok remembers when punk was cool. mneptok is in his 40s.
[17:44] <ikonia> I remember this linguistics student agrument again
[17:44] <screamsayonara> really dudes, i am a valuablew intellect
[17:44] <ikonia> screamsayonara: from my point of view I won't remove the ban from #ubuntu as I don't believe your promises
[17:44] <screamsayonara> i just like pushing the boundaries and im from austnet
[17:44] <screamsayonara> irc is to me, weird 
[17:44] <ikonia> screamsayonara: you where told 4 - 5 times in each channel to mind your language and you kept going
[17:44] <Pici> I don't believe  that there was an #ubuntu ban.
[17:45] <ikonia> Pici: oh, did I just kick him
[17:45] <ikonia> fair enough then
[17:45] <screamsayonara> im a girl
[17:45] <screamsayonara> and it hasnt happened again
[17:45] <ikonia> sorry
[17:45] <screamsayonara> i join ubuntu for support sometimes
[17:45] <ikonia> it hasn't happened again because you've been banned from the channel
[17:45] <screamsayonara> and to learn
[17:45] <mneptok> screamsayonara: if what you say is true, then it should be very easy to express yourself without profanity. thereby adding gravitas to your words and opinions
[17:45] <screamsayonara> in #ubuntu, -evudently-
[17:45] <screamsayonara> evidently.
[17:46] <ikonia> yup, you've lasted an hour without speaking at all
[17:46] <ikonia> it's pici's ban anyway, so I'll leave alone
[17:46] <screamsayonara> its autojoin, i usually on come on irc for that
[17:46] <Pici> Its been a month anyway.
[17:46] <screamsayonara> tonight however i have a night off from writing essays
[17:46] <mneptok> screamsayonara: why would your gender be important in this discussion?
[17:46] <Pici> I'm going to remove the ban, if we have an issue then it gets reapplied.
[17:46] <screamsayonara> so im dealing with my personal affairs which include but are not limited to
[17:46] <Pici> mneptok: ikonia said 'him'
[17:46] <screamsayonara> my learning ubuntu!
[17:47] <screamsayonara> im studying to be a computational linguist
[17:47] <screamsayonara> i need to learn ubuntu
[17:47] <screamsayonara> i WANT to learn linux
[17:47] <Pici> We're not disputing that.
[17:47] <screamsayonara> i can conmtrol my mouth if i know i need to! i didnt realise
[17:47] <screamsayonara> it was such a big deal
[17:47] <ikonia> despite multiple warnings
[17:47] <mneptok> screamsayonara: if you want to learn Ubuntu, then Step 1 is learning the philosophy behind it. swearing and defaming and not following polite requests to stop are wholly out of line with that philosophy.
[17:48] <screamsayonara> and given the time ive had to think about, and my repeated attempts to get myself 
[17:48] <screamsayonara> some room
[17:48] <screamsayonara> ah
[17:48] <screamsayonara> basically look
[17:48] <ikonia> well, pici said he's removing the ban
[17:48] <ikonia> it's not a problem
[17:48] <screamsayonara> oh sorry i didnt see that
[17:48] <screamsayonara> i hvnt fixed my text colours properly
[17:48] <screamsayonara> :\
[17:49]  * screamsayonara feels dumb
[17:49] <Pici> Like I said, if we have the same problem in the future, we'll apply the ban again.
[17:49] <screamsayonara> thanks a lor
[17:49] <screamsayonara> *lot
[17:49] <screamsayonara> happy awesome people-ing
[17:49] <Pici> Its been a month anyway.
[17:50] <ikonia> as you said, can always be re-applied 
[17:50] <mneptok> why is it always the Aussies and language?
[17:50]  * mneptok runs from elky 
[17:52] <ikonia> he's still not joined the channel ?
[17:52] <Pici> nope
[17:52]  * Pici shrugs
[17:52] <ikonia> ha ha ha
[18:03] <genii> PHP is an HTML-embedded scripting language. A command-line only version can be installed in Ubuntu with the php5-cli package (see
[18:03] <genii> !info php5-cli for package detail ). PHP is also a component of a larger Linux-Apache-MySQL-PHP combined installation (see !lamp ).
[18:03] <genii> Bah
[18:03] <Pici> heh
[18:04] <genii> PHP is an HTML-embedded scripting language. A command-line only version can be installed in Ubuntu with the php5-cli package (see !info php5-cli for package detail ). PHP is also a component of a larger Linux-Apache-MySQL-PHP combined installation (see !lamp ).
[18:04] <LjL> if we have a php-specific factoid, it should link to https://help.ubuntu.com/9.04/serverguide/C/php5.html
[18:06] <genii> LjL:  It assumes there also that you want to run a full-blown apache setup. Which is not always the case. 
[18:06] <LjL> genii: no it doesn't, it mentions php5-cli
[18:07] <genii> LjL: "To install PHP5 you can enter the following command in the terminal prompt:  sudo apt-get install php5 libapache2-mod-php5
[18:08] <LjL> genii: it might not be wording it perfectly, but it says you can install php5-cli for command-line running, and php5-cli for out-of-apache running
[18:08] <LjL> anyway, i was merely saying that if we are to have a dedicated PHP factoid, it would be absurd not to link to the official guide about PHP
[18:09] <genii> I agree, yes
[18:12] <genii> Work needs me a few minutes. I'll reword the suggestion shortly
[18:15] <Seeker`> LjL: can I had stats?
[18:16] <Myrtti> me too plz
[18:18] <LjL> genii: i'd make the last part shorter by saying something like "For integrating PHP in a server, see !LAMP", and possibly avoid the !info thing (or we'd do that for all packages). put the package name in "quotes" as that's what's most other factoids do.
[18:26] <genii> PHP is an HTML-embedded scripting language. A command-line only version can be installed in Ubuntu with the "php5-cli" package. See also !lamp for integrated server PHP. The Ubuntu server PHP5 guide is found at https://help.ubuntu.com/9.04/serverguide/C/php5.html
[18:29] <genii> LjL: ^
[18:30] <LjL> yeah you don't have to say it to me, i don't have bot access :)
[18:30]  * genii pokes at jussi01
[18:30] <Pici> genii: You have bot access, don't you?
[18:31] <genii> Pici: No. We went trough this 2 other times at least
[18:31] <genii> *through
[18:31] <Pici> Why?
[18:31] <LjL> by the way, there is a #kubuntu version of those stats being uploaded, same URL but with a "k" in front of "ircgraphs"
[18:31] <LjL> it's currently only uploaded up to 2006ish
[18:31] <genii> Pici: Probably because I'd abuse it
[18:31] <Pici> !no PHP is <reply> PHP is an HTML-embedded scripting language. A command-line only version can be installed in Ubuntu with the "php5-cli" package. See also !lamp for integrated server PHP. The Ubuntu server PHP5 guide is found at https://help.ubuntu.com/9.04/serverguide/C/php5.html
[18:57] <LjL> Pici: another stat that shows that #ubuntu isn't really working lately
[18:57] <LjL> select Date, sum(case when word='please' or word='pls' or word='plz' then Count END), sum(case when word='thanks' or word='thx' or word='ty' then Count END) from Words group by date order by date
[18:58] <Pici> What, too many people saying thanks?
[18:59] <Pici> er, nevermind
[18:59] <LjL> Pici: too few, compared to the amount of people who say please...
[19:00] <LjL> consider the "pleases" as questions and the "thanks" as answered ones, and it is worrying.
[19:00] <LjL> of course it's a bit of a stretch to just consider them that way
[19:01] <genii> Well, some people also say "please help me!"   etc over and over but people generally only say "thanks" or so once
[19:01] <LjL> sure, it's a biased statistic in a number of way
[19:01] <LjL> it definitely shows "something has changed" since hardy, at the very least
[19:02] <LjL> and i have trouble thinking it's changed in a positive way
[19:08] <Pici> the count of nicks per day hasn't decreased much over the past few releases, disconting a little bit on release days though
[19:09] <LjL> Pici: yes, but the speaking has. i interpret it as if people are still seeking support in #ubuntu more or less as they always have, but... aren't quite finding it as they used to.
[19:10] <genii> I tend to agree with that interpretation
[19:10] <LjL> Pici: besides, it hasn't "decreased much", but keep in mind it was a distinctly ascending trend earlier
[19:10] <LjL> of course you can't, uh, ascend forever, and it wouldn't even be a good thing - but.
[19:11] <LjL> #kubuntu statistics have finished uploading, by the way
[19:12] <LjL> (and i'm afraid to look at them)
[19:12] <genii> My take is I think people are getting less help specifically configuring their applications, but about the same help as always installing/troubleshooting core probs
[19:12] <LjL> (and there was a reason why i was)
[19:13] <Pici> select Date, sum(lines) from messages group by date, order by date = steadily decreasing
[19:13] <LjL> about kubuntu? yeah
[19:13] <Pici> yes
[19:15] <Pici> Its intresting to see that as hobbsee's number of lines in the channel decreased, genii's increased.
[19:15]  * Myrtti doesn't want to know
[19:17] <Pici> LjL: Where are you getting the data for these?
[19:17] <LjL> Pici: irclogs.
[19:17] <Pici> LjL: .ubuntu.com?
[19:17] <LjL> yeah
[19:17] <Pici> okay
[19:17]  * jussi01 waves tiredly
[19:17] <LjL> there are only a few gaps, they're mostly complete
[19:18] <Seeker`> hi
[19:18] <Pici> hi
[19:28] <jussi01> !away > phoenixz
[19:28] <jussi01> cripes this connection here is annoying...
[19:52] <Myrtti> we seriously need to redo atleast a part of the fixdccexploit wikipage
[19:54] <Pici> Which part?
[19:55] <Myrtti> the irssi config part and the Colloquy part
[19:56] <Myrtti> also the chatzilla part
[20:03] <Myrtti> I can do the irssi and colloquy
[20:04] <Myrtti> the long term solution they offer for irssi is very, very very unsupported by irssi community
[20:14] <tsimpson> ubottu: Admin capability add editfactoids genii 
[20:14] <tsimpson> eek
[20:15] <tsimpson> ubottu: Admin capability add genii editfactoids
[20:15] <tsimpson> genii: welcome to the editors club :)
[20:15] <Pici> ubottu: Don't worry dear, we don't.
[20:22] <Flannel> Myrtti: What's the long term solution for irssi?
[20:23] <Pici> Flannel: Don't modify the config file directly, use irssi itself to change the settings
[20:23] <Myrtti> Flannel: I edited and saved
[20:25] <Myrtti> did Chatzilla
[20:26] <Myrtti> 22:10      -port: This is pretty much like the port argument later, 
[20:26] <Myrtti> 22:10             except this can be used to modify existing server's 
[20:26] <Myrtti> 22:10             port.
[20:27] <Myrtti> the catchphrase of the #irssi channels is "the config file is humanreadable only by accident and shouldn't be fiddled with. Doing so will void the warranty."
[20:34] <Myrtti> http://www.flickr.com/photos/whz/3551585280/?ref=nf wheeeeee!
[20:36] <Pici> heh, I liked the fly-through at the end
[20:40] <Myrtti> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FixDCCExploit?action=diff&rev2=39&rev1=36
[20:40] <Pici> I got an email about it
[20:41] <Myrtti> I knows :-)
[20:41] <Pici> okay :)
[20:51] <Flannel> Howdy dood, how can we help you today?
[20:51] <dood> i need help setting up wpa_supplicant , ive tryed a few times in the last week or so and its still a brick wall
[20:52] <dood> i need wpa_supplicant to start automatically on startup and connect to the AP
[20:52] <Seeker`> you need to join #ubuntu for support
[20:52] <LjL> this is not the support channel though, you were redirected from there to here for some reason.
[20:52] <LjL> have you checked out the channel guidelines?
[20:52] <dood> yeah i noticed that
[20:52] <dood> nah 
[20:52] <LjL> well then perhaps it might be a good time to do that
[20:53] <LjL> !etiquette > dood    (dood, see the private message from ubottu)
[20:53] <genii> tsimpson: I promise not to abuse editing rights :)
[20:53] <dood> why ?
[20:53] <LjL> dood: well, because i assume you were redirected here for breaking them somehow, and because you currently cannot be answered in #ubuntu anyway
[20:53] <dood> is that why i was redirected ?
[20:53] <dood> i dont remember ever getting banned or anything
[20:54] <dood> can you see if im banned or somthing ?
[20:54] <Myrtti> @bansearch dood 
[20:54] <dood> huh 
[20:54] <LjL> (why does it show as removed btw?)
[20:54] <dood> well shoot , i didnt even know that
[20:54] <Pici> It looks like you were redirected because your odd behavior in #ubuntu.  You claimed you were drunk.
[20:54] <dood> well im ready to behave now , may i re-enter ubuntu ?
[20:54] <Pici> But that doesn't excuse your behavior
[20:55] <dood> no it does not
[20:56] <LjL> how can you promise to behave if you don't know what the guidelines say about behavior?
[20:56] <dood> ok so what can i do to rectify my actions and get back into #ubuntu, AA teaches me to make direct ammends where ever possible , how can i make ammends
[20:58] <Flannel> LjL: It shows the later ban in here as removed
[20:59] <Seeker`> was the later ban removed because he was unbanned, orb ecause elky didn't want 2 bans set
[21:00] <LjL> ah yes sorry, i was confused.
[21:00] <dood> Be respectful. The Ubuntu community and its members treat one another with respect. Everyone can make a valuable contribution to Ubuntu. We may not always agree, but disagreement is no excuse for poor behaviour and poor manners. We might all experience some frustration now and then, but we cannot allow that frustration to turn into a personal attack. It's important to remember that a community where people feel uncomfortable or threatened is not a product
[21:00] <dood> ive one. We expect members of the Ubuntu community to be respectful when dealing with other contributors as well as with people outside the Ubuntu project, and with users of Ubuntu
[21:01] <LjL> err, yes, we know what that says...
[21:01] <dood> and now so do i :D
[21:01] <dood> is there anything else i can do to make direct ammends ?
[21:03] <dood> i just wanted to say for you to keep in mind considering the meaning behind ubuntu , simply put , live and let live , forgive and forget
[21:04] <LjL> perhaps that's put a bit... *too* simply
[21:04] <dood> the concept is not complicated 
[21:04] <dood> it is that simple
[21:05] <LjL> ok, as you wish
[21:05] <dood> i apologize for my behavior on the 10th day of may towards whomever it was , and i promise that i will be respectfull and courtius to people in that channel in the future
[21:05] <LjL> anyway i'm more pressed to make sure you understand the specific implementation of the Code of Conduct that is the IRC Guidelines
[21:06] <LjL> and the other related pieces of information in the bot
[21:07] <dood> i have done my part to make direct ammends to the ubuntu community , it is now your part to accept or not accept my sincere apology for which is your decision
[21:07] <dood> there is nothing more i can do to make direct ammends
[21:07] <dood> ive read the terms from the bot
[21:08] <LjL> you may have to wait for the op who originally banned you to review the ban
[21:08] <dood> and that op was elky correct ?
[21:09] <LjL> correct
[21:11] <genii> Work /away
[21:24] <seanw> Hey there, what's the cmd to get ubotu to msg someone the "please don't use line breaks as punctuation" message?
[21:25] <Myrtti> !enter > seanw 
[21:25] <seanw> ty :)
[21:25] <seanw> !enter > nevermore
[21:25] <seanw> Thanks!
[22:55] <Myrtti> !search intel
[22:55] <Myrtti> lolwhut?!
[22:56] <Flannel> intel <reply>the intel driver in jaunty
[22:56] <Flannel> oh, forgotten
[22:56] <Flannel> !-intel <reply>the intel driver in jaunty
[22:56] <Flannel> aww
[23:15] <mneptok> his name is Robert Paulsen.
[23:42] <LjL> meh.
[23:42] <LjL> they don't use it when it's needed...
[23:42] <LjL> always the same
[23:47] <Flannel> fink, fanks?  really?